Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars. I doubt any of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought after. Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the way kids did 40 years ago with a VW Bug. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and return on investment. Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels. Grant... On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curly wrote: If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns. As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate and are useless for weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, a pipe dream. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Curly wrote: If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns. As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate and are useless for weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But will probably never gain approval for production because people are irrationally scared of nuke plants. -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord Curly wrote: If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns. As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate and are useless for weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement station, the old battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you drive away in 30-40 seconds without ever having left your car? Seems pretty terrific to me for a car with a 200 mile range.The price is a bit cringe-worthy though. -Curt From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery. Some of the earliest cars were electric. When batteries are developed that hold the equivalent of 10-20 gal of liquid hydrocarbonsat comparable weight and volume and which can be recharged in a few minutes, then electric cars will reign supreme. Until then, not so much. I put battery in quotes because such a device will probably look nothing like the dissimilar metal/electrolyte devices used today. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: clay Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars. I doubt any of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought after. Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the way kids did 40 years ago with a VW Bug. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and return on investment. Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels. Grant... On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http
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The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery. Some of the earliest cars were electric. When batteries are developed that hold the equivalent of 10-20 gal of liquid hydrocarbonsat comparable weight and volume and which can be recharged in a few minutes, then electric cars will reign supreme. Until then, not so much. I put battery in quotes because such a device will probably look nothing like the dissimilar metal/electrolyte devices used today. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: clay Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars. I doubt any of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought after. Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the way kids did 40 years ago with a VW Bug. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and return on investment. Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels. Grant... On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not many people can afford 5 billion dollar car. What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement station, the old battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you drive away in 30-40 seconds without ever having left your car? Seems pretty terrific to me for a car with a 200 mile range.The price is a bit cringe-worthy though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's clean.. If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing.. I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that.. Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte... On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to charge a car. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)? Wilton -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants. RB On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's clean.. If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing.. I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that.. Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte... On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to charge a car. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)? Wilton -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and return on investment. Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels. Grant... On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Its too bad, the Volt is a pretty good idea. With a small diesel engine I think it could handily whip the Prius in a mileage competition. The problem overall is that its a crappy little Chevy for big money... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and return on investment. Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels. Grant... On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale. Great for life off the grid THird is coal. Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant An added benefit from old coal plants was that they provided sulfur to the soil as a plant nutrient. Now farms have to add sulfur to the normal NPK so fertilizer is becoming NPKS. I had to add sulfur to the garden this year as the last few years I could grow much of anything. Depleted sulfur and high pH together meant no food. If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns. No terrorist ever tried to steal the clinkers form a coal plant. Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I live in my city apartment, never walk on dirt, only take a subway [electric of course] to work, and march in Green Earth Day Parade I don't have to acknowledge those nasty things exist... unless I'm carrying the protest sign that day.. Go Green, Be Clean... you know.. Reality is so harsh.. it's so much easier to just ignore and avoid it... Grant... ;)) On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants. RB On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's clean.. If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing.. I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that.. Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte... On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to charge a car. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)? Wilton -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Coal is hardly relatively...clean. Where do you get such a wacky notion? And inexpensive only if you value clean air, water, and lung health at zero dollars. Nuclear is only clean if you discount the environmental effects of mining and the carbon footprint of the U3O8 enrichment plants, and ignore the fact that there is no long term solution in sight on where/how to handle the waste. Geothermal, wind, and solar are the cleanest by far. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale. Great for life off the grid THird is coal. Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant An added benefit from old coal plants was that they provided sulfur to the soil as a plant nutrient. Now farms have to add sulfur to the normal NPK so fertilizer is becoming NPKS. I had to add sulfur to the garden this year as the last few years I could grow much of anything. Depleted sulfur and high pH together meant no food. If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns. No terrorist ever tried to steal the clinkers form a coal plant. Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small. ;) Having not flown across that area in several years and not driven across it in 40+, it's easy to forget. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And get another ATTABOY. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and return on investment. Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels. Grant... On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that don't drive much. On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord And how far is that Starbucks? ;) Wilton snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again. Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll plug in my diesel. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small. ;) Having not flown across that area in several years and not driven across it in 40+, it's easy to forget. Wilton That is big country, and John Cannon is a Big man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If there's even a 10% loss of efficiency by going cordless, it would be criminal to adopt this. There's too much energy 'in play' when talking about the national EV fleet. I'm sure this is relatively high frequency, compared to the 60Hz grid. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hundreds of tiny gerbils on a treadmill On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)? Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published: Monday, June 1, 2015 Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past. WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle. I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee table, CEO Alex Gruzen said. And throughout my day, I'll be casually topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just charge, and you won't be thinking about it. WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment. The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to detail any specific plans. Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its smart homes near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have licensed WiTricity's technology. Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car everywhere they park. I grew up when phones had cords, Gruzen said. I still to this day think of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've never known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do (David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle* http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Floor-pad-could-cut-the-cord-for-electric-cars-6295664.php , May 29) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to charge a car. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)? Wilton -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's clean.. If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing.. I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that.. Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte... On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to charge a car. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)? Wilton -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
