Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-15 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!


No truer words were ever spoken.

After lunch it was time, so I started gathering up the tools, parts, etc.
I couldn't find the crankshaft lock!

I spent about three hours in the garage, looking in all the places that I
might have put it, and finally gave up looking.  The garage is much cleaner
now, and I found a few other things I was looking for, but the lock is MIA.

I decided that with the limited amount of time I had left, I could at least
clean off the front of the engine and positively identify the leak.  After
I removed the cooling fan and shroud, I used brake cleaner to clean around
the crankshaft and the vacuum pump and the front of the engine in general.
Ran the car for about ten minutes, observed and felt around the front, and
could find no leaks. Hmmm.  Started the car again, and cleaned off more of
the oily mess on the left side of the engine (injection pump side) and
immediately found a steady drip drip drip.  Shut off the engine and started
looking and feeling for what could be the source under the injection pump,
and touched one of the three injection pump flange nuts and found it finger
tight!  Ah hah!

I just had time to torque the three bolts to spec (20-25 Nm) and run the
engine a bit.  That is not really a fair test, so tomorrow I'm going to
take the car to the car wash and clean off the engine properly, and see if
the leak was just the injection pump all along.  Hard to imagine that all
the oil was migrating forward from the injection pump flange,  I'm still
suspicious of the crankshaft seal.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-15 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

It can be yours for a price.  I plan to sell it.


You still got that car? I sure miss it.a lot

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 On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 SDL I got had been in some shop in arkieland.  german name etc, 
presumably knew something about german cars.  The IP had apparently 
been replaced by one that had been sprayed with a gold lacquer for 
identity.  It leaked like a seive at the flange.  When I finally 
took it out and put in a new oring, I found the pump was way out of 
time. The pump was already leaking at the delivery valve orings 
shortly after I got the car, so the rebuilt pump is somewhat 
suspect too. There is a post somewhere in these here archives about 
the pump oring, leaking and way out of time.


 So yes, a bad oring and a loose nut or 3 on the IP flange can 
result in big oil puddles.




 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



 Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!



 No truer words were ever spoken.

 After lunch it was time, so I started gathering up the tools, parts, etc.
 I couldn't find the crankshaft lock!

 I spent about three hours in the garage, looking in all the places that I
 might have put it, and finally gave up looking.  The garage is much cleaner
 now, and I found a few other things I was looking for, but the lock is MIA.

 I decided that with the limited amount of time I had left, I could at least
 clean off the front of the engine and positively identify the leak.  After
 I removed the cooling fan and shroud, I used brake cleaner to clean around
 the crankshaft and the vacuum pump and the front of the engine in general.
 Ran the car for about ten minutes, observed and felt around the front, and
 could find no leaks. Hmmm.  Started the car again, and cleaned off more of
 the oily mess on the left side of the engine (injection pump side) and
 immediately found a steady drip drip drip.  Shut off the engine and started
 looking and feeling for what could be the source under the injection pump,
 and touched one of the three injection pump flange nuts and found it finger
 tight!  Ah hah!

 I just had time to torque the three bolts to spec (20-25 Nm) and run the
 engine a bit.  That is not really a fair test, so tomorrow I'm going to
 take the car to the car wash and clean off the engine properly, and see if
 the leak was just the injection pump all along.  Hard to imagine that all
 the oil was migrating forward from the injection pump flange,  I'm still
 suspicious of the crankshaft seal.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Its amazing how oil moves. My '85 190D had a leaking power steering pump and 
the oil would creep up the hood right in front of the driver. Had to wipe it 
off every day or it'd get on the windshield.
-Curt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
   
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!


No truer words were ever spoken.

After lunch it was time, so I started gathering up the tools, parts, etc.
I couldn't find the crankshaft lock!

I spent about three hours in the garage, looking in all the places that I
might have put it, and finally gave up looking.  The garage is much cleaner
now, and I found a few other things I was looking for, but the lock is MIA.

I decided that with the limited amount of time I had left, I could at least
clean off the front of the engine and positively identify the leak.  After
I removed the cooling fan and shroud, I used brake cleaner to clean around
the crankshaft and the vacuum pump and the front of the engine in general.
Ran the car for about ten minutes, observed and felt around the front, and
could find no leaks. Hmmm.  Started the car again, and cleaned off more of
the oily mess on the left side of the engine (injection pump side) and
immediately found a steady drip drip drip.  Shut off the engine and started
looking and feeling for what could be the source under the injection pump,
and touched one of the three injection pump flange nuts and found it finger
tight!  Ah hah!

I just had time to torque the three bolts to spec (20-25 Nm) and run the
engine a bit.  That is not really a fair test, so tomorrow I'm going to
take the car to the car wash and clean off the engine properly, and see if
the leak was just the injection pump all along.  Hard to imagine that all
the oil was migrating forward from the injection pump flange,  I'm still
suspicious of the crankshaft seal.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You still got that car? I sure miss it.a lot 

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 On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 SDL I got had been in some shop in arkieland.  german name etc, presumably 
 knew something about german cars.  The IP had apparently been replaced by one 
 that had been sprayed with a gold lacquer for identity.  It leaked like a 
 seive at the flange.  When I finally took it out and put in a new oring, I 
 found the pump was way out of time. The pump was already leaking at the 
 delivery valve orings shortly after I got the car, so the rebuilt pump is 
 somewhat suspect too. There is a post somewhere in these here archives about 
 the pump oring, leaking and way out of time.
 
 So yes, a bad oring and a loose nut or 3 on the IP flange can result in big 
 oil puddles.
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!
 
 
 No truer words were ever spoken.
 
 After lunch it was time, so I started gathering up the tools, parts, etc.
 I couldn't find the crankshaft lock!
 
 I spent about three hours in the garage, looking in all the places that I
 might have put it, and finally gave up looking.  The garage is much cleaner
 now, and I found a few other things I was looking for, but the lock is MIA.
 
 I decided that with the limited amount of time I had left, I could at least
 clean off the front of the engine and positively identify the leak.  After
 I removed the cooling fan and shroud, I used brake cleaner to clean around
 the crankshaft and the vacuum pump and the front of the engine in general.
 Ran the car for about ten minutes, observed and felt around the front, and
 could find no leaks. Hmmm.  Started the car again, and cleaned off more of
 the oily mess on the left side of the engine (injection pump side) and
 immediately found a steady drip drip drip.  Shut off the engine and started
 looking and feeling for what could be the source under the injection pump,
 and touched one of the three injection pump flange nuts and found it finger
 tight!  Ah hah!
 
 I just had time to torque the three bolts to spec (20-25 Nm) and run the
 engine a bit.  That is not really a fair test, so tomorrow I'm going to
 take the car to the car wash and clean off the engine properly, and see if
 the leak was just the injection pump all along.  Hard to imagine that all
 the oil was migrating forward from the injection pump flange,  I'm still
 suspicious of the crankshaft seal.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-15 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
SDL I got had been in some shop in arkieland.  german name etc, 
presumably knew something about german cars.  The IP had apparently 
been replaced by one that had been sprayed with a gold lacquer for 
identity.  It leaked like a seive at the flange.  When I finally took 
it out and put in a new oring, I found the pump was way out of time. 
The pump was already leaking at the delivery valve orings shortly 
after I got the car, so the rebuilt pump is somewhat suspect too. 
There is a post somewhere in these here archives about the pump 
oring, leaking and way out of time.


So yes, a bad oring and a loose nut or 3 on the IP flange can result 
in big oil puddles.




On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



 Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!



No truer words were ever spoken.

After lunch it was time, so I started gathering up the tools, parts, etc.
I couldn't find the crankshaft lock!

I spent about three hours in the garage, looking in all the places that I
might have put it, and finally gave up looking.  The garage is much cleaner
now, and I found a few other things I was looking for, but the lock is MIA.

I decided that with the limited amount of time I had left, I could at least
clean off the front of the engine and positively identify the leak.  After
I removed the cooling fan and shroud, I used brake cleaner to clean around
the crankshaft and the vacuum pump and the front of the engine in general.
Ran the car for about ten minutes, observed and felt around the front, and
could find no leaks. Hmmm.  Started the car again, and cleaned off more of
the oily mess on the left side of the engine (injection pump side) and
immediately found a steady drip drip drip.  Shut off the engine and started
looking and feeling for what could be the source under the injection pump,
and touched one of the three injection pump flange nuts and found it finger
tight!  Ah hah!

I just had time to torque the three bolts to spec (20-25 Nm) and run the
engine a bit.  That is not really a fair test, so tomorrow I'm going to
take the car to the car wash and clean off the engine properly, and see if
the leak was just the injection pump all along.  Hard to imagine that all
the oil was migrating forward from the injection pump flange,  I'm still
suspicious of the crankshaft seal.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Curly, Rick, Craig;

Thanks!  I'm going to see if I can figure out what the correct
speedi-sleeve is and try that.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

OK, looks like the SKF seal is 17907 = inside diameter = 45.01mm, =
speedi-sleeve part# is 99177 (standard) or 99830 (gold higher quality /
longer lasting).

The SKF website and the speedi-sleeve catalog both caution that the correct
size is determined by measuring the shaft, I can't do that until I take the
hub off.

I called local auto parts warehouse, Parks, and they carry the Timken
equivalent of the SKF speedi-sleev and have the same size and the next size
up and down in stock, so the odds are good that when I take the hub off, I
can buy the repair sleeve kit (about $40) the same day and get the car back
on the road quickly.

I called several local bearing supply places, including two that are SKF
distributors, and they don't keep ANY repair sleeves in stock.  We can get
that for you in a couple days doesn't cut it.  I do not want to take the
car out of service to remove and measure the hub, order the sleeve, wait
2-3 days and then put it all back together.

-
Max
Charleston SC


Agreed, that is is bad to have the car down for a week waiting on parts.

The sleeve I got was loose, but I installed it with loctite, and I 
expect no problems.  too small to get it on the hub without damage is 
another deal.


I'd suggest putting the sleeve on a block of wood, then set the 
vibration damper hub on top evenly and bump the hub with a rubber 
hammer.  The damper is larger and more easily kept parallel to the 
wood surface.


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Even better!  Timken catalogs for their seal applications list both the
replacement seal from the MB part number and the Redi-sleeve part
number.  In this case the Timken part number is KWK99177.

I'm going to stop by Parks tonight on the way home and buy it if they have
it.  Their price is about twice what I would pay on Amazon if I wanted to
wait ten days or longer, but I love to have a local parts place that not
only has a huge selection and good stuff, but they stay open until midnight
7 days a week, so I'll pay the extra and maybe I can knock this repair out
this weekend.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Agreed, that is is bad to have the car down for a week waiting on parts.

 The sleeve I got was loose, but I installed it with loctite, and I expect
 no problems.  too small to get it on the hub without damage is another deal.

 I'd suggest putting the sleeve on a block of wood, then set the vibration
 damper hub on top evenly and bump the hub with a rubber hammer.  The damper
 is larger and more easily kept parallel to the wood surface.


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
OK, looks like the SKF seal is 17907 = inside diameter = 45.01mm, =
speedi-sleeve part# is 99177 (standard) or 99830 (gold higher quality /
longer lasting).

The SKF website and the speedi-sleeve catalog both caution that the correct
size is determined by measuring the shaft, I can't do that until I take the
hub off.

I called local auto parts warehouse, Parks, and they carry the Timken
equivalent of the SKF speedi-sleev and have the same size and the next size
up and down in stock, so the odds are good that when I take the hub off, I
can buy the repair sleeve kit (about $40) the same day and get the car back
on the road quickly.

I called several local bearing supply places, including two that are SKF
distributors, and they don't keep ANY repair sleeves in stock.  We can get
that for you in a couple days doesn't cut it.  I do not want to take the
car out of service to remove and measure the hub, order the sleeve, wait
2-3 days and then put it all back together.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Curly, Rick, Craig;

 Thanks!  I'm going to see if I can figure out what the correct
 speedi-sleeve is and try that.

 -
 Max
 Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Have the Timken sleeve in hand, probably going to install this weekend.  Oil 
leak requires a quart every 500 miles now.  Back of the car is coated, nasty.

I may wash the engine tonight to ensure the leak is REALLY at the crank seal, 
no reason why it couldn't be something else, but that crank seal is the prime 
suspect for now.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Have the Timken sleeve in hand, probably going to install this 
weekend.  Oil leak requires a quart every 500 miles now.  Back of the 
car is coated, nasty.


Whaddya mean, nasty?  Back of the car is _rustproofed_.  Charge extra
for that...

I may wash the engine tonight to ensure the leak is REALLY at the 
crank seal, no reason why it couldn't be something else, but that 
crank seal is the prime suspect for now.


Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!
The chain tensioner is a heavy leaker, at times.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Already replaced the seal for the chain tensioner, immediately after 
the head was installed and the first seal leaked because I wasn't 
careful and let the seal get cock-eyed while tightening.


The other possible leakers I can think of are the vacuum pump/gasket 
and the timing case cracking at the serpentine belt tensioner mount.


I may put some newspaper or cardboard under it in the driveway and 
spray a couple cans of brake cleaner to wash off the front of the 
engine, that may be enough to locate the leak.


--
Max Dillon


If it is leaking that much, the oil will have washed a clean pathway 
below whatever is leaking.  If it is the front mail seal, there will 
be a clean oily path below with dirt stuck in the oil around the 
river where it is washed clean.


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Already replaced the seal for the chain tensioner, immediately after the head 
was installed and the first seal leaked because I wasn't careful and let the 
seal get cock-eyed while tightening.

The other possible leakers I can think of are the vacuum pump/gasket and the 
timing case cracking at the serpentine belt tensioner mount.

I may put some newspaper or cardboard under it in the driveway and spray a 
couple cans of brake cleaner to wash off the front of the engine, that may be 
enough to locate the leak.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 13, 2015 7:55:33 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Dude!  Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches!
The chain tensioner is a heavy leaker, at times.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
And the seal runs on the crank, not the hub, on those engines.   
Replacement seals are a few mm deeper so they run on a clean part of  
the crank.  No help is the leaking one is not the original...


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Anyone parting one of the following engines?

OM601, 602, 603, or 606 non-turbo?

M103 or M104?
-
Max
Charleston SC



I thought you said you had a leaky seal.  Just pop out the old seal 
and put in a new one.  That was the first MB repair I ever made.  40 
some years ago.


If you are worried about the crank damper being grooved, buy a repair 
sleeve.  (from a bearing house)


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Peter, I've had mine apart and replaced the seal once already, and 
the seal rides the hub, hub goes over the end of the crank.


I think mine is leaking because I used an aftermarket seal and the 
hub is scored.


A few years ago the price for a new hub was about $80, now they are over $200.

Manual says the seal can be set deeper if the hub is grooved, I 
tried that but maybe I didn't set it deep enough.


I'd like to get a used hub and (if grooved) see if a machinist can 
weld a bead on the groove and then turn it down.  Goal is to 
minimize down time.


I'm also tempted to try JB Weld and sand/polish that smooth.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


Just put a collar on the damper where the seal rides.  MUCH 
faster/simpler/cheaper.   It is done all the time.  Metric size is no 
problem as most seals or bearings on post WWII merkun stuff are 
metric.


The brand on the last  one I used is Dichtomatik Americas.  Product 
is called shaft-eze.


https://catalog.dichtomatik.us/en/products/Seals/ShaftEzeShaftSleeves.aspx

If you have the seal number from the last one you used, take it to 
the bearing supply house and get a seal and the shaft -eze to match. 
Minimal down time as it will take you 5 min to install both when you 
get the damper off.  The shaft-eze came with a steel cup to use to 
install it over the shaft or hub.


Otherwise look  up the MB part number and take that  in.  The bearing 
houses have good cross reference resources.  OR, you can look it up 
on the SKF seal crossreference online from the MB part number.




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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:58:08 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ‎http://www.skf.com/us/products/seals/industrial-seals/power-transmission-seals/wear-sleeves/skf-speedi-sleeve/index.html

I used one of these in the repair/refurbishment of our utility trailer a
few months ago.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎http://www.skf.com/us/products/seals/industrial-seals/power-transmission-seals/wear-sleeves/skf-speedi-sleeve/index.html
‎
Rick 
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Peter, I've had mine apart and replaced the seal once already, and
the seal rides the hub, hub goes over the end of the crank.

I think mine is leaking because I used an aftermarket seal and the 
hub is scored.

A few years ago the price for a new hub was about $80, now they are over $200.

Manual says the seal can be set deeper if the hub is grooved, I 
tried that but maybe I didn't set it deep enough.

I'd like to get a used hub and (if grooved) see if a machinist can 
weld a bead on the groove and then turn it down.  Goal is to 
minimize down time.

I'm also tempted to try JB Weld and sand/polish that smooth.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

Just put a collar on the damper where the seal rides.  MUCH 
faster/simpler/cheaper.   It is done all the time.  Metric size is no 
problem as most seals or bearings on post WWII merkun stuff are 
metric.

The brand on the last  one I used is Dichtomatik Americas.  Product 
is called shaft-eze.

https://catalog.dichtomatik.us/en/products/Seals/ShaftEzeShaftSleeves.aspx

If you have the seal number from the last one you used, take it to 
the bearing supply house and get a seal and the shaft -eze to match. 
Minimal down time as it will take you 5 min to install both when you 
get the damper off.  The shaft-eze came with a steel cup to use to 
install it over the shaft or hub.

Otherwise look  up the MB part number and take that  in.  The bearing 
houses have good cross reference resources.  OR, you can look it up 
on the SKF seal crossreference online from the MB part number.



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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

http://www.skf.com/us/products/seals/industrial-seals/power-transmission-seals/wear-sleeves/skf-speedi-sleeve/index.html

Rick
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Yep,  that'll work!

Here is the seal cross reference.

http://www.skf.com/binary/81-66344/457012.pdf

You are looking for mer-ben  that is their acronym for MB.

Load the cross reference and do a search for the MB part number. 
Once you have the SKF number, any bearing house can get you the seal 
and the repair collar.


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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Peter, I've had mine apart and replaced the seal once already, and the seal 
rides the hub, hub goes over the end of the crank.

I think mine is leaking because I used an aftermarket seal and the hub is 
scored.

A few years ago the price for a new hub was about $80, now they are over $200.

Manual says the seal can be set deeper if the hub is grooved, I tried that but 
maybe I didn't set it deep enough.

I'd like to get a used hub and (if grooved) see if a machinist can weld a bead 
on the groove and then turn it down.  Goal is to minimize down time.

I'm also tempted to try JB Weld and sand/polish that smooth.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub

2015-08-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:17:28 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Anyone parting one of the following engines?
 
 OM601, 602, 603, or 606 non-turbo?
 
 M103 or M104?
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Our former '95 E320 had an M104, but I can't get to it now.

Sorry.


Craig

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