Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 22:59:55 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> All this makes sense when you realize these numbers are sufficient to
> protect the wires.  Fuses are a whole different animal.

Fuses depend upon the square of the current multiplied by the time
it is applied.  (I^2 t)

There are charts for each type of fuse that show from the (I^2 t)
how long it should take to blow.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> What is the error tolerance on the Ampere rating on a circuit breaker?

Yes, the breakers are designed to protect against catastrophic heating of
the wires, nothing else.  They take some time to heat up, so short-term
overloads are not only tolerable, but preferable, given the nature of motors,
etc.

Fuses do the same thing, since they are also heat-driven, but are probably
a bit more sensitive than breakers.

I replaced the (then code-required) arc-fault breakers in our new addition
with regular breakers.  Playing light-switch lottery sucks.  ("Will all the 
power
go out in the living room if I turn on the lights this time?")  Yes, light 
switches
do arc a bit, inside.  They're designed to.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I can't comment on all these new electronic (GFCI/AFCI, etc.) breakers but
old time breakers had a trip curve (e.g.:
https://www.electriciantalk.com/attachments/type-b-jpg.52369/).  The breaker
was guaranteed to trip just above the rated current but only after hundreds
or thousands of seconds.  On the other hand many times (like 50x) the rated
current could pass for a few milliseconds without tripping the breaker.
Most breakers would pass 3-5x the rated current for a couple seconds before
tripping.  All this makes sense when you realize these numbers are
sufficient to protect the wires.  Fuses are a whole different animal.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

What is the error tolerance on the Ampere rating on a circuit breaker?

Maybe your 15A breaker is allowing a little more than that, and the
recommeded 20 assumes that the actual breaker might trip a little lower.
There must be a little headroom on the required rating, so that people don't
complain that their breakers are always tripping off.

Allan

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2021-07-31 20:29, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good data point.  Thanks.
> 
> The LRA (locked rotor amps) on my 1.5T are 47.
> I do not know why I can start it on a fast blow 15A breaker.
> The install instructions demand a 20A HACR (slow blow HVAC) breaker.
> Maybe the start kit helps?
> What would really help is a 'slow start kit'.
> Hard start kits don't reduce LRA, they just reduce the time for amps 
> to drop.
> The 5-2-1 kits are considered the superior hard starts, but slow start 
> makes it ramp up like an inverter drive.
> https://www.cpsproducts.com/hvacr/5-2-1-compressor-saver/
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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The running amps are around 7-8.
But the starting amps are (very briefly) 47 plus whatever the fan draws.
I'm not surprised that a 20A time delay breaker can handle it, but it 
seems the 15A fast blow isn't as instant as I might have assumed it to 
be.



On 2021-07-31 22:43, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

What is the error tolerance on the Ampere rating on a circuit breaker?

Maybe your 15A breaker is allowing a little more than that, and the
recommeded 20 assumes that the actual breaker might trip a little
lower. There must be a little headroom on the required rating, so that
people don't complain that their breakers are always tripping off.


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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

What is the error tolerance on the Ampere rating on a circuit breaker?

Maybe your 15A breaker is allowing a little more than that, and the recommeded 
20 assumes that the actual breaker might trip a little lower. There must be a 
little headroom on the required rating, so that people don't complain that 
their breakers are always tripping off.

Allan

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021, at 9:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2021-07-31 20:29, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good data point.  Thanks.
> 
> The LRA (locked rotor amps) on my 1.5T are 47.
> I do not know why I can start it on a fast blow 15A breaker.
> The install instructions demand a 20A HACR (slow blow HVAC) breaker.
> Maybe the start kit helps?
> What would really help is a 'slow start kit'.
> Hard start kits don't reduce LRA, they just reduce the time for amps to 
> drop.
> The 5-2-1 kits are considered the superior hard starts, but slow start 
> makes it ramp up like an inverter drive.
> https://www.cpsproducts.com/hvacr/5-2-1-compressor-saver/
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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-07-31 20:29, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Good data point.  Thanks.


The LRA (locked rotor amps) on my 1.5T are 47.
I do not know why I can start it on a fast blow 15A breaker.
The install instructions demand a 20A HACR (slow blow HVAC) breaker.
Maybe the start kit helps?
What would really help is a 'slow start kit'.
Hard start kits don't reduce LRA, they just reduce the time for amps to 
drop.
The 5-2-1 kits are considered the superior hard starts, but slow start 
makes it ramp up like an inverter drive.

https://www.cpsproducts.com/hvacr/5-2-1-compressor-saver/

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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Good data point.  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 7:39 PM

On 2021-07-31 18:16, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> Maybe I need a peak-reading ac ammeter.  That's probably the only way 
> to know.  Or maybe I can find some data online.  My generator has no 
> problem running the water heater (which is totally unnecessary) but 
> that's a pure resistive load.

I don't have broad experience here, but a 3kw generator hardly notices a
9000BTU Fujitsu inverter unit.
Before I obtained a proper 20A HACR breaker, I ran my 1.5T traditional split
unit (with 3 wire hard start kit) on the 15A fast blow breaker that had
previously served the Fujitsu. No problem running the 1.5T with a 5kw/11hp
generator.

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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This is good to know. I have little to no experience with mini-splits as 
generator loads, so I can’t lend a lot of help here. Based on the branch 
circuit requirements for most I can’t imagine they draw a great deal.

-D

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-07-31 18:16, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Maybe I need a peak-reading ac ammeter.  That's probably the only way
>> to know.  Or maybe I can find some data online.  My generator has no
>> problem running the water heater (which is totally unnecessary) but
>> that's a pure resistive load.
> 
> I don't have broad experience here, but a 3kw generator hardly notices a 
> 9000BTU Fujitsu inverter unit.
> Before I obtained a proper 20A HACR breaker, I ran my 1.5T traditional split 
> unit (with 3 wire hard start kit) on the 15A fast blow breaker that had 
> previously served the Fujitsu. No problem running the 1.5T with a 5kw/11hp 
> generator.
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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-07-31 18:16, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe I need a peak-reading ac ammeter.  That's probably the only way
to know.  Or maybe I can find some data online.  My generator has no
problem running the water heater (which is totally unnecessary) but
that's a pure resistive load.


I don't have broad experience here, but a 3kw generator hardly notices a 
9000BTU Fujitsu inverter unit.
Before I obtained a proper 20A HACR breaker, I ran my 1.5T traditional 
split unit (with 3 wire hard start kit) on the 15A fast blow breaker 
that had previously served the Fujitsu. No problem running the 1.5T with 
a 5kw/11hp generator.


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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Maybe I need a peak-reading ac ammeter.  That's probably the only way to know.  
Or maybe I can find some data online.  My generator has no problem running the 
water heater (which is totally unnecessary) but that's a pure resistive load.

These mini-splits do not send line power direct to the compressor motor but to 
an inverter that generates variable frequency AC which drives the motor.  My 
recollection is that the compressor starts at a slow speed and then ramps up to 
a steady state based on the thermal demand.  My basic unit (like 17 SEER) uses 
a fixed expansion orifice so the compressor (and blower) speeds are modulated 
to achieve the target superheat and subcool.  The higher SEER units use 
electric thermal expansion valves.

I have one room (my office) that heats and cools poorly and I suspect I can 
install a high efficiency mini-split cheaper than reworking the duct work.  
Also it might still work on the generator if the power goes out..

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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Okie Benz 
Cc: dan penoff.com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

Just off the cuff I would suspect it could run a couple of them without too 
much effort. You would need to determine what the code letter of the compressor 
motor is to get an accurate idea. This would apply especially if they don’t 
start simultaneously, which might be a bit much even for a 15kW unit, depending 
on what other loads are present. I would think it wouldn’t have much of a 
problem starting them one at a time.

-D

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know most generators can't run a conventional AC/Heat Pump because 
> of the high compressor startup currents except (maybe) with a soft-start kit.
> 
> I wondered about mini-split systems.  These are smaller size and seem 
> to "ramp up" in speed which seems like it should moderate the high 
> start-up currents.
> 
> The 12K BTU unit I installed in my barn only uses a 10 amp breaker and 
> the equivalent 240v model is rated at only 5 amps per phase.
> 
> So I suspect my generator (15KW, 60 amp/phase) could run a couple of 
> these mini-split heat pumps.  Does anyone know?  As I recall, Dan had 
> expertise in this area (or am I thinking of someone else?).
> 
> Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Just off the cuff I would suspect it could run a couple of them without too 
much effort. You would need to determine what the code letter of the compressor 
motor is to get an accurate idea. This would apply especially if they don’t 
start simultaneously, which might be a bit much even for a 15kW unit, depending 
on what other loads are present. I would think it wouldn’t have much of a 
problem starting them one at a time.

-D

> On Jul 31, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know most generators can't run a conventional AC/Heat Pump because of the
> high compressor startup currents except (maybe) with a soft-start kit.
> 
> I wondered about mini-split systems.  These are smaller size and seem to
> "ramp up" in speed which seems like it should moderate the high start-up
> currents.  
> 
> The 12K BTU unit I installed in my barn only uses a 10 amp breaker and the
> equivalent 240v model is rated at only 5 amps per phase.
> 
> So I suspect my generator (15KW, 60 amp/phase) could run a couple of these
> mini-split heat pumps.  Does anyone know?  As I recall, Dan had expertise in
> this area (or am I thinking of someone else?).
> 
> Scott
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[MBZ] Generators and Mini-Splits, Anyone Know?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I know most generators can't run a conventional AC/Heat Pump because of the
high compressor startup currents except (maybe) with a soft-start kit.

I wondered about mini-split systems.  These are smaller size and seem to
"ramp up" in speed which seems like it should moderate the high start-up
currents.  

The 12K BTU unit I installed in my barn only uses a 10 amp breaker and the
equivalent 240v model is rated at only 5 amps per phase.

So I suspect my generator (15KW, 60 amp/phase) could run a couple of these
mini-split heat pumps.  Does anyone know?  As I recall, Dan had expertise in
this area (or am I thinking of someone else?).

Scott

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[MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

With some available time, and all new parts on hand, I dove into the
Briggs motor.  I replaced the float valve and its seat, and the jet
screw, and the gaskets.  (The rest I didn't [yet] need, and would have
been difficult to swap out.)  I cleaned it and put it back together.
No difference!  _Very_ frustrating.  It idled well, but if I
let it get up to speed it ran like crap, just as before.

I figured I'd take care of everything anyway, so I pulled the shroud
off to replace the half-missing ignition switch.  I didn't find what I
expected: instead, the entire guts of the switch was not there, not
just a missing knob.  The wire was waving around loose inside the
shroud.  Not good!  I put it back together with the new switch, and
fired it up.

It ran perfectly.  The problem all along was that the ignition kill
wire was jiggling around in there and bouncing against the shroud,
fouling the spark.  Cripes.  Ten minutes and some electrical tape
and we'd have been good during the recent power outage.

On a roll, I dug out the Trace Engineering load-balancing
autotransformer, and rewired its output plug.  I stole a 4-wire
generator plug from the parts pile in the shed, and replaced the
welder outlet plug with it.  I fired up the generator and plugged a
space heater into it, and it definitely helped equalize the load.  (It
wasn't 100% balanced, but more than half the load was moved to the
other side.)  This will be a nice addition to the setup, besides
load-balancing the assemblage works as an extension cord, and has a
breaker on it that functions as a nice generator cutoff switch.
All convenient features.  As of now, all generator systems are back
up to scratch.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The air blows cold..

And,, it's quiet... since the starter is missing..

and the exhaust pipe..

and just a few other things.. like an electrical panel to hook up
generator..
Then.. what ever is hidden under the grass and weeds...



On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had it build 2 years ago
>
> then left it sitting outside to get all rusty and nasty
>
> --R
>
>
> On 11/23/15 12:38 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> One for Dan?
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-diesel-engine-and-generator-head-/161892207077?hash=item25b18709e5:g:qmoAAOSwo6lWMi7s
>>
>> At least it is a Mercedes engine. Though sold by a crack smoker.
>>
>> Manfred
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

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On 23/11/2015 11:38 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

One for Dan?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-diesel-engine-and-generator-head-/161892207077?hash=item25b18709e5:g:qmoAAOSwo6lWMi7s 



At least it is a Mercedes engine. Though sold by a crack smoker.

Manfred

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I saved the photos.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[MG via Mercedes]

Yep. Ain't it wonderful.

A non polluting generator.

Manfred


Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:15:01 -0700
From: G Mann 

The air blows cold..

And,, it's quiet... since the starter is missing..

and the exhaust pipe..

and just a few other things.. like an electrical panel to hook up
generator..
Then.. what ever is hidden under the grass and weeds...





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[MG via Mercedes]

One for Dan?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-diesel-engine-and-generator-head-/161892207077?hash=item25b18709e5:g:qmoAAOSwo6lWMi7s

At least it is a Mercedes engine. Though sold by a crack smoker.

Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I had it build 2 years ago

then left it sitting outside to get all rusty and nasty

--R

On 11/23/15 12:38 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

One for Dan?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-diesel-engine-and-generator-head-/161892207077?hash=item25b18709e5:g:qmoAAOSwo6lWMi7s 



At least it is a Mercedes engine. Though sold by a crack smoker.

Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I get parts at the Naphtha all the time

--R

On 11/21/15 1:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:23:56 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:


White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, its
more like naptha ...

I learned not all that long ago that it's "naphtha", pronounced naf-thuh
because of the "h" after the "p".


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import of 
such useful things.




I've seen a few 3600 rpm Made in China units for around $1700 IIRC, or
a little cheaper than a contractor grade Subaru gasser.
I'm actually considering buying this one used, but it would be cheaper
to just put a propane carb on my old 1800rpm Powerchief and run it
on $1 a gallon fuel from my 500 gallon tank.
http://jxn.craigslist.org/tls/5321913060.html

Maybe a milsurp 120/240v diesel would be handy, just make sure it's
single phase.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/for/5294562142.html


I think I'd rather have a nice Mercedes with 100,000 miles on it:
http://saginaw.craigslist.org/grd/5305625713.html

Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html

Hmm, there's a little Honda inverter for $250 in Ionia.
I already have too many generators though. Mike Esh?
http://lansing.craigslist.org/tls/5322814571.html


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:23:56 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, its
> more like naptha ...

I learned not all that long ago that it's "naphtha", pronounced naf-thuh
because of the "h" after the "p".


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the 
same. Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.


I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.


You can get canned high octane nonoxygenated (and therefore non-decomposing)
premix for around $6-8 a quart. Not something you want to pay for every
month, but worth every penny if you keep a chainsaw for emergencies, or
a 2 stroke generator.

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=49907-442-6525638

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When we had hurricanes back in 2004 I rented out 100’ extension cords on my 
cul-de-sac for $100/each.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Jim Sez:  I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.

Filled up all 3 forklift tanks today.  $62.  Each little tank
is like burning a $20 bill.  Lasts only a little longer, too!  :-)

More laundry today, we're watching a movie, taking showers,
catching up on the intertubes...

Tomorrow I'm going to try the $6 Tecumseh carb rebuild kit I
got today, see if I can resurrect one of the two rope-pulls.
The Briggs in the other one is a different story, according
to the parts counter people.

I hate gasoline, and gasoline motors.

-- Jim


Hear, Here!   (concerning the last line of Jim's post)

I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import of 
such useful things.


Anybody spent time in remote areas of  India or China to confirm this?

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a 25kW LP powered generator at my other house.  No HOA regulations 
affected it, and to be honest there’s no way they could restrict or prevent 
something like it.  That’s more of a code issue than anything else.

And it was quiet, too.  Quieter than my 5 ton AC unit.

I liked how my neighbors would call me up when there was an outage and ask if 
my power was out. “Nope, no problems here.  Why, is your power out?”

Confused the hell out of them until they realized I had a standby generator.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 1:02 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Is J Cathey in Seattle?
> 
> Spokane.  Hard to get 20 acres in Seattle!  I wonder if a HOA
> would prohibit a generator big enough to run several houses?
> 
> I heard there were some 300,000 customers without power at
> the peak aftermath of this windstorm.  Pretty sure that 130,000
> were in the Spokane area.  Still dark here, but more lights are
> on than before, looking across the valley.
> 
> Chainsaws and generators are getting quite the workout in
> this area these days...
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import 
of such useful things.




I've seen a few 3600 rpm Made in China units for around $1700 IIRC, or
a little cheaper than a contractor grade Subaru gasser.
I'm actually considering buying this one used, but it would be cheaper
to just put a propane carb on my old 1800rpm Powerchief and run it
on $1 a gallon fuel from my 500 gallon tank.
http://jxn.craigslist.org/tls/5321913060.html

Maybe a milsurp 120/240v diesel would be handy, just make sure it's
single phase.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/for/5294562142.html


I think I'd rather have a nice Mercedes with 100,000 miles on it:
http://saginaw.craigslist.org/grd/5305625713.html

Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html

Hmm, there's a little Honda inverter for $250 in Ionia.
I already have too many generators though. Mike Esh?
http://lansing.craigslist.org/tls/5322814571.html



THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT GASOLINE GENERATORS is that they can be 
converted to natural gas or LP gas.


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Way to go, gouger!

--R

On 11/21/15 9:15 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

When we had hurricanes back in 2004 I rented out 100’ extension cords on my 
cul-de-sac for $100/each.

Dan



On Nov 21, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:13:02 -0500 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
> > generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import of 
> > such useful things.
> > 
> 
> I've seen a few 3600 rpm Made in China units for around $1700 IIRC, or
> a little cheaper than a contractor grade Subaru gasser.

3600 RPM:  http://ezapu.com/DieselGenerators.aspx
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Lombardini-4000-Watt-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=Lombardini_4kw


1800 RPM:
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Slow-Turning-Kohler-5kW-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=yanmar_4kw



Or maybe you want something more whole-house oriented:
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Super-Quiet-Long-Run-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=3930
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Perkins-6-kW-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=P6125

This one has a Kolher engine, but the oil change interval is only 100
hours:
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Kohler-Diesel-6500-Watt-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=Y6875


Or, if you want to see all that Central Maine Diesel offers:
   http://www.centralmainediesel.com/


If you want to roll your own, consider,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOATS-SAILBOATS-YANMAR-2V750-DIESEL-ENGINE-NEW-IN-BOX-NEVER-USED-/151886563714?hash=item235d250982:g:uzgAAOSwWnFWCpoU=mtr

or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YANMAR-2V750-DIESEL-ENGINE-EXMARK-GATOR-GEN-GRASSHOPPER-SAILBOAT-ZERO-TURN-/151886557271?hash=item235d24f057:g:uzgAAOSwWnFWCpoU=mtr



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:57:01 -0600
fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > > Gerry wrote:
> > >
> > > Years ago we used Amoco "white gas",
> 
> > Curt wrote:
> > 
> > White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure
> > octane,

> Fmiser wrote:
> I think Gerry is referring to the Amoco premium gasoline that
> was water clear rather than kinda brownish like most
> gasoline.
  
Right. People called it white gas and I seem to remember that it could be used 
in gasoline lanterns.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Maybe a milsurp 120/240v diesel would be handy, just make sure it's
single phase.


You can rewire most 3-phase units zigzag for single-phase.
The unit is derated, of course.  Our 40kW 3-phase unit is
26kW zigzag, as it is currently wired.  Doesn't matter, we're
limited by the 40A (or 50A) breaker we feed the house through.
The genny is 140A, it doesn't really even notice the load.

Our power just came back on.  So 'generator hero' really wasn't,
I haven't got the little ones, which we rely mostly upon, working
again yet.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[clay via Mercedes]

Very little inexpensive land on the wet side.  A ferry ride might find some 
soggy place to stack cars in the boonies.  


clay 

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On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> Is J Cathey in Seattle?
> 
> Spokane.  Hard to get 20 acres in Seattle!  I wonder if a HOA
> would prohibit a generator big enough to run several houses?
> 
> I heard there were some 300,000 customers without power at
> the peak aftermath of this windstorm.  Pretty sure that 130,000
> were in the Spokane area.  Still dark here, but more lights are
> on than before, looking across the valley.
> 
> Chainsaws and generators are getting quite the workout in
> this area these days...
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've had poor luck rebuilding small engine carbs, my 1965 Snapper 308X has a 
circa 1988 Tech in it that needed carb work,I could never get the right kit but 
for $90 I got a whole new carb which was magically plug and play and has been 
fine for 3 or 4 years now. I just changed the oil to put it away for the winter 
today.
-Curt

  From: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 12:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
> I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the 
> same. Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.

I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.

Filled up all 3 forklift tanks today.  $62.  Each little tank
is like burning a $20 bill.  Lasts only a little longer, too!  :-)

More laundry today, we're watching a movie, taking showers,
catching up on the intertubes...

Tomorrow I'm going to try the $6 Tecumseh carb rebuild kit I
got today, see if I can resurrect one of the two rope-pulls.
The Briggs in the other one is a different story, according
to the parts counter people.

I hate gasoline, and gasoline motors.

-- Jim



  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
fuel line with a proper armored line.

I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.

The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...

-- Jim


Jim gets an Eagle Scout award, for being prepared with multiple 
generator options.  Being prepared after being prepared...


Congrats on the success!  Glad y'all are well.

You musta sent the wind here!  50+ mph all day. Blew the remaining 
leaves out to andrew.


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:


The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...


Maybe get a stationary tank?
My last fill was 99.9 cents a gallon plus tax.

http://spokane.craigslist.org/tls/5294274183.html

http://spokane.craigslist.org/for/5284050253.html

http://wenatchee.craigslist.org/for/5314495501.html

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is J Cathey in Seattle?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
>> high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
>> gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
>> of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
>> on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
>> fuel line with a proper armored line.
>>
>> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
>> it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
>> watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>>
>> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
>> run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
>> on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>
> Jim gets an Eagle Scout award, for being prepared with multiple generator
> options.  Being prepared after being prepared...
>
> Congrats on the success!  Glad y'all are well.
>
> You musta sent the wind here!  50+ mph all day. Blew the remaining leaves
> out to andrew.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run 
like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or 
more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
> high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
> gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
> of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
> on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
> fuel line with a proper armored line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
> it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
> watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
> run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
> on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the same. 
Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.
-Curt

  From: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
Is that the HF generator that's been advertised for $99 lately?
Gerry



Curt Raymond wrote:
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had 
> a petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line 
> is stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort 
> to starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or 
> two. This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the 
> fuel petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still 
> rough. I need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more 
> hours before I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke 
> is it'll run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses 
> twice that or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once 
> its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
>    
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
> tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
> > high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
> > gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
> > of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
> > on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
> > fuel line with a proper armored line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
> > it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
> > watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
> > run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
> > on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn of 
the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> when I left camp.
> -Curt
>   From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for 
> $400.
> I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.
> 
> I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough
> sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> 
> They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and
> it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking
> the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a petcock
> that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> stretched,
> which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> fluid
> to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is with 
> fresh
> fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... It 
> ran
> better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 hours 
> on a
> quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub --
> an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have
> > not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> > Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V)
> > and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored
> > line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired
> > right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House
> > of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out
> > 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one,
> > which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.


--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
fuel line with a proper armored line.

I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.

The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Make that 2-cycle.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: 'Curt Raymond' <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale
fuel
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck
out/burn
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that
> > supports teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I
> > was on in September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup
> > urn but struggled if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to
> > keep my eye open for a Honda, way quieter than mine although for the
> > money mine has been pretty good. I think my restart issue might be
> > helped by running it dry which I did when I left camp.
> > -Curt
> >   From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> > plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got
it for
> $400.
> > I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with
synthetic.
> >
> > I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not
> > enough sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses
> > too much fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power
> > at home for more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda
at
> the house.
> >
> > They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> > Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as
> > bring back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a
> > couple times. I bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When
> > I bought it it ran great, started on about the third pull. I've run it
> > maybe 3 times since then and it started easy each time. This trip the
> > little b@$tard started out by breaking the fuel petcock right off in
> > the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a petcock that would work but it
> > doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is stretched, which
> > reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting
> > fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two.
> > This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the
> > fuel petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its
> > still rough. I need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a
> > couple more hours before I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about
> > the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k
4 stroke at
> camp uses twice that or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke
> appreciably once its warmed up.
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> >
> > You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot
> > tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > > winds Tuesday night.  Mass

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Is that the HF generator that's been advertised for $99 lately?
Gerry

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had 
> a petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line 
> is stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort 
> to starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or 
> two. This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the 
> fuel petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still 
> rough. I need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more 
> hours before I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke 
> is it'll run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses 
> twice that or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once 
> its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
>
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot 
> tub -- an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
> > high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
> > gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
> > of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
> > on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
> > fuel line with a proper armored line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
> > it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
> > watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
> > run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
> > on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports 
teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in 
September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled if 
we were also trying to make toast ;)
I need to keep my eye open for a Honda, way quieter than mine although for the 
money mine has been pretty good. I think my restart issue might be helped by 
running it dry which I did when I left camp.
-Curt
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The plastic 
case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for $400. I 
always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.

I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough 
sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much fuel for 
that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for more than 
brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.

They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run 
like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or 
more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
-Curt

      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
  
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub -- 
an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high 
> winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have 
> not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.  
> Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V) 
> and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored 
> line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired 
> right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House 
> of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out 
> 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one, 
> which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[clay via Mercedes]

Other side of the state, Spokane

clay

On Nov 20, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Is J Cathey in Seattle?
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
>>> high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
>>> gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
>>> of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
>>> on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
>>> fuel line with a proper armored line.
>>> 
>>> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
>>> it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
>>> watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>>> 
>>> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
>>> run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
>>> on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
>> Jim gets an Eagle Scout award, for being prepared with multiple generator
>> options.  Being prepared after being prepared...
>> 
>> Congrats on the success!  Glad y'all are well.
>> 
>> You musta sent the wind here!  50+ mph all day. Blew the remaining leaves
>> out to andrew.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The plastic 
case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for $400. I 
always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.

I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough 
sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much fuel for 
that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for more than 
brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.

They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll 
 run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that 
or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed 
up.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub -- 
an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high 
> winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have 
> not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.  
> Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V) 
> and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored 
> line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired 
> right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House 
> of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out 
> 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one, 
> which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Yes, mine can run parallel with another to produce a 4KW generator. They are 
lightweight and very reliable. I occasionally look for a second one. Ten hours 
on a gallon of petrol is common. The LP genset in the motorhome burns 3/4 
gal/hr, so only really usable for short runs for the microwave or such.

I read that the similar Yamaha is also good, but just as expensive.

Greg

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 12:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports 
teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in 
September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled if 
we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a Honda, 
way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty good. I think 
my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did when I left camp.
-Curt
  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The plastic 
case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for $400. I 
always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.

I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough 
sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much fuel for 
that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for more than 
brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.

They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond 
via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring 
back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I 
bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran 
great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
and it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
breaking the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
petcock that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
stretched, which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to 
starting fluid to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. 
This is with fresh fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel 
petcock failed... It ran better after a couple hours but its still rough. I 
need to put some more Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before 
I'll call it acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll 
 run like 2 hours on a quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that 
or more. I was also pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed 
up.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
  
You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub -- 
an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.

--R

On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high 
> winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have 
> not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V) 
> and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored 
> line.
>
> I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired 
> right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House 
> of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
>
> The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already run out
> 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly on the other one, 
> which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.


Curt

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From:"Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:42 PM
Subject:RE: [MBZ] Generators

In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn of 
the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.


> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> when I left camp.
> -Curt
>      From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it for 
> $400.
> I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with synthetic.
> 
> I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not enough
> sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> 
> They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since then 
> and
> it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> breaking
> the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a petcock
> that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> stretched,
> which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> fluid
> to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is with 
> fresh
> fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... It 
> ran
> better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 hours 
> on a
> quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@constructivity.net>
>  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 2:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> 
> You need one of those hot tubs with a wood stove in it, or an Okie hot tub --
> an old bathtub sitting over an open fire.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/19/15 11:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with high
> > winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull gennys have
> > not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need of minor service.
> > Tonight I put another used starting battery on it (it takes two---24V)
> > and replaced the heater hose vapor fuel line with a proper armored
> > line.
> >
> > I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and it fired
> > right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are watching House
> > of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.
> >
> > The

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Yeahbut how long did the old gas stand in the carb?

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> 
> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Scott Ritchey"  Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:42
> 
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale
fuel
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck
out/burn
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Didn't, the petcock was closed, I'd burned the old gas out.


Curt

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From:"Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:07 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Generators

Yeahbut how long did the old gas stand in the carb?


> -Original Message-
> From:  Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> 
> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com> Date:Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:42
> 
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale
fuel
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck
out/burn
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Years ago we used Amoco "white gas", which was nearly pure octane, and it never 
caused problems. It was the most expensive gas on the market because the 
refining process was expensive.
When I was still cutting my own grass 8 or 10 years ago, I bought Amoco 
Premium, now colored blue, and still had no problems, although I don't know if 
it's still close to pure octane.
The strangest thing is that the high pressure washer will start right up even 
though the Amoco Premium in it may be a year or more old. I'm wondering if the 
gas in it, which is probably two years old now, will start up when I pressure 
clean the front porch next week?
Gerry

> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> Curt

"Scott Ritchey" wrote:
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn 
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> > teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> > September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> > if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> > Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> > good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> > when I left camp.
> > -Curt
> >      From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> > plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it 
> > for $400.
> > I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with 
> > synthetic.
> > 
> > I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not 
> > enough
> > sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> > fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> > more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> > 
> > They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> > Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> > back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> > bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> > great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since 
> > then and
> > it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> > breaking
> > the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
> > petcock
> > that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> > stretched,
> > which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> > fluid
> > to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This is 
> > with fresh
> > fuel mind you, all the old stuff fell out when the fuel petcock failed... 
> > It ran
> > better after a couple hours but its still rough. I need to put some more
> > Seafoam in the gas and run it a couple more hours before I'll call it
> > acceptable.The nice thing about the little 2 stroke is it'll run like 2 
> > hours on a
> > quart of fuel. The 3k 4 stroke at camp uses twice that or more. I was also
> > pleased that it doesn't smoke appreciably once its warmed up.
> > -Curt
> > 
> >      From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Rich Thomas <richthomas79td...@construc

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, its more 
like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little octane. Low compression 
engines would do well on it but I wouldn't run it in anything made in the last 
50 years. You can still buy white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with quite old 
gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only a couple months 
old...
-Curt
  From: archer75--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 8:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   

Years ago we used Amoco "white gas", which was nearly pure octane, and it never 
caused problems. It was the most expensive gas on the market because the 
refining process was expensive.
When I was still cutting my own grass 8 or 10 years ago, I bought Amoco 
Premium, now colored blue, and still had no problems, although I don't know if 
it's still close to pure octane.
The strangest thing is that the high pressure washer will start right up even 
though the Amoco Premium in it may be a year or more old. I'm wondering if the 
gas in it, which is probably two years old now, will start up when I pressure 
clean the front porch next week?
Gerry

> Fresh gas, the bad gas ran out when the petcock broke.
> Curt

"Scott Ritchey" wrote:
> In my experience, almost all small engine problems are caused by stale fuel 
> and/or incomplete mixing of 3-cycle mix.  It's way cheaper to suck out/burn 
> of the dregs than replace/rebuild gummed-up and corroded carbs.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:30 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > The inverter versions of the Honda are awesome, is yours one that supports
> > teaming with another? We had a couple of those on a campout I was on in
> > September. 1 was adequate for making coffee in the 30 cup urn but struggled
> > if we were also trying to make toast ;) I need to keep my eye open for a
> > Honda, way quieter than mine although for the money mine has been pretty
> > good. I think my restart issue might be helped by running it dry which I did
> > when I left camp.
> > -Curt
> >      From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >  To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > Cc: Greg Fiorentino <greg.fiorent...@comcast.net>
> >  Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 3:19 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I got lucky a few years back and found a Honda 2000i nearby on CL. The
> > plastic case was a bit scarred, but it started up and ran great. I got it 
> > for $400.
> > I always run it dry before storage and do regular oil changes with 
> > synthetic.
> > 
> > I use it for camping to charge up the coach batteries when there's not 
> > enough
> > sun for the solar power. The onboard 3.6KW LP fired Onan uses too much
> > fuel for that purpose. Luckily we have not been without power at home for
> > more than brief interruptions, so haven't needed the Honda at the house.
> > 
> > They're not cheap, but an excellent unit.
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:21 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Curt Raymond
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
> > 
> > I've thought about one of those for camp, we've got lots of wood...
> > Last week I used my little 2 stroke China generator to top up (read as bring
> > back from the brink of disaster) the batteries on the camp a couple times. I
> > bought it back in 2008 after we had an ice storm. When I bought it it ran
> > great, started on about the third pull. I've run it maybe 3 times since 
> > then and
> > it started easy each time. This trip the little b@$tard started out by 
> > breaking
> > the fuel petcock right off in the tank... Fortunately Car Quest had a 
> > petcock
> > that would work but it doesn't fit exactly right and the fuel line is 
> > stretched,
> > which reminds me I need to replace it. I finally had to resort to starting 
> > fluid
> > to get it to fire up and it ran like garbage for an hour or two. This

Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I never said it was a good fuel,  just a fuel used for boat stoves 
for safety reasons.



The main reason boat stoves use alcohol is the ability to extinguish 
a fire with water.  In all other ways, alcohol is an inferior fuel. 


Scott


   From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

 >White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane,
 >its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little
 >octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't
 >run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy
 >white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
 >Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with
 >quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only
 >a couple months old...
 >-Curt
 >

 White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves
 (Coleman, et al)

 The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.

 Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not
 settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.

 >
 >


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Gerry wrote:
> >
> > Years ago we used Amoco "white gas",

> Curt wrote:
> 
> White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure
> octane,

I think Gerry is referring to the Amoco premium gasoline that
was water clear rather than kinda brownish like most
gasoline.  

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Is J Cathey in Seattle?


Spokane.  Hard to get 20 acres in Seattle!  I wonder if a HOA
would prohibit a generator big enough to run several houses?

I heard there were some 300,000 customers without power at
the peak aftermath of this windstorm.  Pretty sure that 130,000
were in the Spokane area.  Still dark here, but more lights are
on than before, looking across the valley.

Chainsaws and generators are getting quite the workout in
this area these days...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Some boats used kerosene too for the same reason. Jon Agne has a couple cool 
marine stoves.
-Curt

  From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   


>White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, 
>its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little 
>octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't 
>run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy 
>white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
>Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with 
>quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only 
>a couple months old...
>-Curt
>

White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves 
(Coleman, et al)

The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.

Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not 
settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Years ago gas was less perishable because it did not contain alcohol or similar 
additives.

>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
> 
> Years ago we used Amoco "white gas", which was nearly pure octane, and it
> never caused problems. ...



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The main reason boat stoves use alcohol is the ability to extinguish a fire 
with water.  In all other ways, alcohol is an inferior fuel.  

Scott
> 
>   From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> 
> >White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane,
> >its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little
> >octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't
> >run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy
> >white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
> >Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with
> >quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only
> >a couple months old...
> >-Curt
> >
> 
> White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves
> (Coleman, et al)
> 
> The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.
> 
> Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not
> settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the 
same. Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.


I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.

Filled up all 3 forklift tanks today.  $62.  Each little tank
is like burning a $20 bill.  Lasts only a little longer, too!  :-)

More laundry today, we're watching a movie, taking showers,
catching up on the intertubes...

Tomorrow I'm going to try the $6 Tecumseh carb rebuild kit I
got today, see if I can resurrect one of the two rope-pulls.
The Briggs in the other one is a different story, according
to the parts counter people.

I hate gasoline, and gasoline motors.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, 
its more like naptha and I think you'll find it has very little 
octane. Low compression engines would do well on it but I wouldn't 
run it in anything made in the last 50 years. You can still buy 
white gas at the pumps in Amish country.
Old gas is interesting, I've had some things do real well even with 
quite old gas and some things that would crud right up with gas only 
a couple months old...

-Curt



White gas was unleaded.  It was used in gas lanterns and gas stoves 
(Coleman, et al)


The lanterns and stoves didn't need the lead additive.  Car engines did.

Boat stoves used alcohol, as it was lighter than air, and did not 
settle in the bilge, like gasoline or white gas fumes do.


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[MBZ] Generators

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Washington St., particularly the Eastern part, got whacked with
high winds Tuesday night.  Massive power outages.  My rope-pull
gennys have not been behaving well, and Big Bertha was in need
of minor service.  Tonight I put another used starting battery
on it (it takes two---24V) and replaced the heater hose vapor
fuel line with a proper armored line.

I hit the switch, and it cranked.  I turned on the fuel, and
it fired right up.  We've bathed, are running laundry, and are
watching House of Cards on the boob tube.  Very comfortable.

The hour meter was 3.6 hours when I started it.  We've already
run out 1/2 forklift tank of fuel, and it's chewing rapidly
on the other one, which was full.  _Very_ expensive showers...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Been cold (60s) and wet here - flash flood warnings for the local rivers and 
streams, as we’ve gotten a boatload of rain.  Supposed to be back in the 70s 
and low 80s by the weekend, however.  It nearly got to 90F on Monday, which was 
really weird for this time of year.  I got the R129 out and drove it to work on 
Monday and Tuesday because I didn’t want to fill up the S420.  Drove home with 
the top down on Monday, but it was raining yesterday, so no chance for topless 
driving then.

I’m getting psyched up to go out on Thanksgiving evening to Dick’s, as they are 
having a huge sale on ammo. My Remington sporting clay loads are going to be 
$50 for 250 shells, which is a heck of a deal.  I’m taking the boy with me so 
he can buy a couple of cases, too, since they have a limit of 500 per person.

That should keep us in ammo for a few weeks.

Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.  I have already started preparations…

Dan


 On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:31:32 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Sadly its too cold to paint the passive heat tubes or finish the
 hovercraft...
 
 Perhaps your weather will be like ours. It was cold the last few days,
 but the next few days' forecasts are:
 
   Wednesday   51
   Thursday55
   Friday  58
   Saturday54
 
 Certainly tolerable painting weather. I'm in the midst of refurbishing a
 utility trailer and do need to do some painting.
 
 
 If this snow sticks we'll be short on firewood, gonna be an oil heated
 winter I think.
 
 Translation: This is going to be more expensive than I hoped.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That puts Dicks on my schnit list. Nobody should have to work on Thanksgiving, 
for some folks its unavoidable (police, fire, hospitals, etc) but retail should 
be closed. Thanksgiving is time to be with family not out chasing the almighty 
buck.
We'll be spending the morning with Angie's family, then heading north to be 
with my folks for the weekend. I'm going to be putting some 180 grain bullets 
into .300 Savage cases. You can only buy 150 grain loads pre-made and my rifle 
shoots those sideways.
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
Been cold (60s) and wet here - flash flood warnings for the local rivers and 
streams, as we’ve gotten a boatload of rain.  Supposed to be back in the 70s 
and low 80s by the weekend, however.  It nearly got to 90F on Monday, which was 
really weird for this time of year.  I got the R129 out and drove it to work on 
Monday and Tuesday because I didn’t want to fill up the S420.  Drove home with 
the top down on Monday, but it was raining yesterday, so no chance for topless 
driving then.

I’m getting psyched up to go out on Thanksgiving evening to Dick’s, as they are 
having a huge sale on ammo. My Remington sporting clay loads are going to be 
$50 for 250 shells, which is a heck of a deal.  I’m taking the boy with me so 
he can buy a couple of cases, too, since they have a limit of 500 per person.

That should keep us in ammo for a few weeks.

Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.  I have already started preparations…

Dan


 On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:31:32 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Sadly its too cold to paint the passive heat tubes or finish the
 hovercraft...
 
 Perhaps your weather will be like ours. It was cold the last few days,
 but the next few days' forecasts are:
 
     Wednesday    51
     Thursday    55
     Friday        58
     Saturday    54
 
 Certainly tolerable painting weather. I'm in the midst of refurbishing a
 utility trailer and do need to do some painting.
 
 
 If this snow sticks we'll be short on firewood, gonna be an oil heated
 winter I think.
 
 Translation: This is going to be more expensive than I hoped.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Snowing like crazy here in the SE quadrant of...   D.C. although well above
freezing... for now.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 That puts Dicks on my schnit list. Nobody should have to work on
 Thanksgiving, for some folks its unavoidable (police, fire, hospitals, etc)
 but retail should be closed. Thanksgiving is time to be with family not out
 chasing the almighty buck.
 We'll be spending the morning with Angie's family, then heading north to
 be with my folks for the weekend. I'm going to be putting some 180 grain
 bullets into .300 Savage cases. You can only buy 150 grain loads pre-made
 and my rifle shoots those sideways.
 -Curt
   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

 Been cold (60s) and wet here - flash flood warnings for the local rivers
 and streams, as we’ve gotten a boatload of rain.  Supposed to be back in
 the 70s and low 80s by the weekend, however.  It nearly got to 90F on
 Monday, which was really weird for this time of year.  I got the R129 out
 and drove it to work on Monday and Tuesday because I didn’t want to fill up
 the S420.  Drove home with the top down on Monday, but it was raining
 yesterday, so no chance for topless driving then.

 I’m getting psyched up to go out on Thanksgiving evening to Dick’s, as
 they are having a huge sale on ammo. My Remington sporting clay loads are
 going to be $50 for 250 shells, which is a heck of a deal.  I’m taking the
 boy with me so he can buy a couple of cases, too, since they have a limit
 of 500 per person.

 That should keep us in ammo for a few weeks.

 Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.  I have already started
 preparations…

 Dan


  On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:31:32 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Sadly its too cold to paint the passive heat tubes or finish the
  hovercraft...
 
  Perhaps your weather will be like ours. It was cold the last few days,
  but the next few days' forecasts are:
 
  Wednesday51
  Thursday55
  Friday58
  Saturday54
 
  Certainly tolerable painting weather. I'm in the midst of refurbishing a
  utility trailer and do need to do some painting.
 
 
  If this snow sticks we'll be short on firewood, gonna be an oil heated
  winter I think.
 
  Translation: This is going to be more expensive than I hoped.
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yea, I feel the same way, and have never even participated in any of the Black 
Friday stuff, either.

However, nothing I can do will cause Dick’s to close, so I guess I’ll become 
part of the problem.

Dan


 On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That puts Dicks on my schnit list. Nobody should have to work on 
 Thanksgiving, for some folks its unavoidable (police, fire, hospitals, etc) 
 but retail should be closed. Thanksgiving is time to be with family not out 
 chasing the almighty buck.
 We'll be spending the morning with Angie's family, then heading north to be 
 with my folks for the weekend. I'm going to be putting some 180 grain bullets 
 into .300 Savage cases. You can only buy 150 grain loads pre-made and my 
 rifle shoots those sideways.
 -Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
 
 Been cold (60s) and wet here - flash flood warnings for the local rivers and 
 streams, as we’ve gotten a boatload of rain.  Supposed to be back in the 70s 
 and low 80s by the weekend, however.  It nearly got to 90F on Monday, which 
 was really weird for this time of year.  I got the R129 out and drove it to 
 work on Monday and Tuesday because I didn’t want to fill up the S420.  Drove 
 home with the top down on Monday, but it was raining yesterday, so no chance 
 for topless driving then.
 
 I’m getting psyched up to go out on Thanksgiving evening to Dick’s, as they 
 are having a huge sale on ammo. My Remington sporting clay loads are going to 
 be $50 for 250 shells, which is a heck of a deal.  I’m taking the boy with me 
 so he can buy a couple of cases, too, since they have a limit of 500 per 
 person.
 
 That should keep us in ammo for a few weeks.
 
 Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving.  I have already started preparations…
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:31:32 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Sadly its too cold to paint the passive heat tubes or finish the
 hovercraft...
 
 Perhaps your weather will be like ours. It was cold the last few days,
 but the next few days' forecasts are:
 
 Wednesday51
 Thursday55
 Friday58
 Saturday54
 
 Certainly tolerable painting weather. I'm in the midst of refurbishing a
 utility trailer and do need to do some painting.
 
 
 If this snow sticks we'll be short on firewood, gonna be an oil heated
 winter I think.
 
 Translation: This is going to be more expensive than I hoped.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It just started getting really into it here. It started snowing at maybe 9am 
but didn't get below freezing until maybe 10:30. Coming down pretty good now.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
Snowing like crazy here in the SE quadrant of...   D.C. although well above 
freezing... for now.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I wonder how many traditionalists versus DIYers there are on the list?
Gerry...DIYer

OK Don wrote:
 Now, now. What can be more reliable than a Mercedes engine? Besides, we
 already know how to work on them if needed.
 You're forgetting the sense of accomplishment, pride in workmanship, and
 joy of exercising creativity of cobbling it together yourself - that's
 worth a lot to some of us. There is no joy in just paying someone to
 install a gray box for you. 
 With an auto transfer switch and a remote starter, it would be close enough 
 to auto for most . . .

 Dan Penoff wrote:
   Absolutely.  The determining factor for me would be if its intended use
  was for emergency or home standby.  I can assure you that SWMBO would not 
  even consider having to go out, start something up, flip breakers, etc.,
  especially if the weather was inclement.
  If I had a hunting camp that I needed power for, sure, but not something I 
  would want my family to depend on in a life safety situation.

  I would also posit that the time and effort in designing, fabricating and 
  maintaining something that's cobbled together has value as far as time and 
  inconvenience and then there's the reliability issue as well...
  Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

The Swedish system appeals to me. Kaleb could insulate the hanger, run 
insulated forced-air ducts to the house, put X number of milk cows in the 
hanger, and benefit from a ready supply of milk, and lower taxes on 
agricultural land, while keeping his house well heated. In the summer the cows 
would keep the grass cut, and Kaleb could use the hangar as a shop since the 
animals would stay outside. (He could also use part of the hangar for shop work 
in the winter if he bought friendly cows (no bulls) or made stalls for them.)

Goats would work just as well, and if there is a market for goats milk, it 
would provide extra income.
Of course, he would have to teach his wife and kids how to milk cows or goats 
which has to be done before sunrise and after sunset.
The Swedes have activated charcoal filters in the duct system which removed the 
odor.
Gerry...who admires Swedish thrift and resourcefulness

Curly McLain wrote:
 In our case, it is considerably inconvenient to not have any water due to
 the lack of electricity. Heat in the winter to keep the pipes from
 freezing, lights after dark, and Internet access (MB list withdrawal is
 painful) are added pluses. I'm skeptical about the ability of the fireplace
 in the north end of the house to keep the pipes under the floor in the
 south end of the house from freezing. Running the geothermal heat pump
 without the aux heat strips would suffice however.
 I did install the propane range on the patio beside the grill, so I do have
 non-electric cooking capabilities.
 
 You could hang the 240D heap/generator from the rafters in the corner 
 of your hanger.  It would be quite a conversation piece for those who 
 gain access to the top secret hanger.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Traditionally.. I'm a DIY'er... so does that quantify me as both?

;)))

Seems to me, that old tired Okie Acres Mercedes engine should run at 1800
RPM and be happy.. 1800 RPM on a liquid cooled, well muffled diesel runs
rather quietly. [Have two of them.]
The magic tricks would be mounting the generator head direct to
flywheel/bellhousing and rigging a reliable governor device that keeps
the engine on speed as generator load increases or decreases without having
a huge load droop with each load change.

I used to run an engine driven welder [heavy stuff] and load droop when you
strike an arc can be truly irritating while the engine picks up the new
load and comes back on speed and voltage..
I expect the electrical devices you wish to run would be much happier if
that start load was captured quickly and within acceptable range..
I don't see a cruise control being sensitive enough to do that.. but
something that monitors generator output voltage that is tied to engine
speed could give tight control..

Grant...

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:16 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 I wonder how many traditionalists versus DIYers there are on the list?
 Gerry...DIYer

 OK Don wrote:
  Now, now. What can be more reliable than a Mercedes engine? Besides, we
  already know how to work on them if needed.
  You're forgetting the sense of accomplishment, pride in workmanship, and
  joy of exercising creativity of cobbling it together yourself - that's
  worth a lot to some of us. There is no joy in just paying someone to
  install a gray box for you.
  With an auto transfer switch and a remote starter, it would be close
 enough to auto for most . . .

  Dan Penoff wrote:
Absolutely.  The determining factor for me would be if its intended
 use
   was for emergency or home standby.  I can assure you that SWMBO would
 not even consider having to go out, start something up, flip breakers, etc.,
   especially if the weather was inclement.
   If I had a hunting camp that I needed power for, sure, but not
 something I would want my family to depend on in a life safety situation.

   I would also posit that the time and effort in designing, fabricating
 and maintaining something that's cobbled together has value as far as time
 and inconvenience and then there's the reliability issue as well...
   Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I'm sure that MB engines have SAE standard mounting points, which would make it 
fairly easy to bolt an SAE flywheel and housing up. Granted, the flywheel 
mounting to the crank might be unique, as I don't think that's addressed in the 
standard, but it's certainly not an insurmountable issue.

Once you have an SAE flywheel and housing the world is your oyster when it 
comes to alternators. They're all based on the same standard so they just bolt 
up to the engine and you're ready to go for the most part.

DIY for this isn't a big deal for the most part.  Trying to couple a two 
bearing set is the tricky one.

Dan

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 On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:28 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Traditionally.. I'm a DIY'er... so does that quantify me as both?
 
 ;)))
 
 Seems to me, that old tired Okie Acres Mercedes engine should run at 1800
 RPM and be happy.. 1800 RPM on a liquid cooled, well muffled diesel runs
 rather quietly. [Have two of them.]
 The magic tricks would be mounting the generator head direct to
 flywheel/bellhousing and rigging a reliable governor device that keeps
 the engine on speed as generator load increases or decreases without having
 a huge load droop with each load change.
 
 I used to run an engine driven welder [heavy stuff] and load droop when you
 strike an arc can be truly irritating while the engine picks up the new
 load and comes back on speed and voltage..
 I expect the electrical devices you wish to run would be much happier if
 that start load was captured quickly and within acceptable range..
 I don't see a cruise control being sensitive enough to do that.. but
 something that monitors generator output voltage that is tied to engine
 speed could give tight control..
 
 Grant...
 
 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:16 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 I wonder how many traditionalists versus DIYers there are on the list?
 Gerry...DIYer
 
 OK Don wrote:
 Now, now. What can be more reliable than a Mercedes engine? Besides, we
 already know how to work on them if needed.
 You're forgetting the sense of accomplishment, pride in workmanship, and
 joy of exercising creativity of cobbling it together yourself - that's
 worth a lot to some of us. There is no joy in just paying someone to
 install a gray box for you.
 With an auto transfer switch and a remote starter, it would be close
 enough to auto for most . . .
 
 Dan Penoff wrote:
 Absolutely.  The determining factor for me would be if its intended
 use
 was for emergency or home standby.  I can assure you that SWMBO would
 not even consider having to go out, start something up, flip breakers, etc.,
 especially if the weather was inclement.
 If I had a hunting camp that I needed power for, sure, but not
 something I would want my family to depend on in a life safety situation.
 
 I would also posit that the time and effort in designing, fabricating
 and maintaining something that's cobbled together has value as far as time
 and inconvenience and then there's the reliability issue as well...
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 24/11/2014 7:26 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I don't consider a generator life safety equipment. I've never been in a situation 
where I though Oh geez, we don't have a generator, we're going to die. but I recognize 
that I'm somewhat different in my life expectations.
Also recognize that in the prepper community a generator is often considered a signal 
flag of hey come rob me since your house will be loud and lit. A Coleman 
stove is much easier to hide. ;)
I could of course make an exception for those folks who have life threatening 
illnesses which require cold medicines or an oxygen concentrator or whatever 
which would require considerable electricity but if the requirement is to run 
the dryer...
-Curt



My concern is more about a bad winter storm that takes out the power 
system (hard to do with the utility's ability to shift things around) 
and so much snow that it becomes difficult to go to any central place 
that is heated etc. I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba and we have a pretty 
harsh climate. There have been times when we have been snowed in for up 
to 3 days. If our power had gone out, we would have been happy to have 
the generator.
I also remember the big ice storm that caused a lot of havoc in Quebec 
and eastern Ontario a number of years ago. Power was out for a long 
while. Generators were in big demand.
I do not have a snowmobile for travel when the snow is waist deep. I 
would not mind having one but I lack a place to store it and it would be 
expensive for insurance etc given the little I would likely use it. I 
sold my last snowmobile about 38 years ago.  I don't have a wood stove 
in my house either. I used to have a wood fireplace but it sucked more 
heat out than it put in so we put in a gas insert.
I have a gas furnace and my understanding is that the gas is still there 
when the power is off so the furnace would work if I had electricity. 
Heat would be the main thing we would need.


I would not mind having a wood stove of some sort but my insurance 
people would have a fit.  I have thought about pulling the gas fireplace 
and getting a wood stove. Probably a Vermont Castings type with the 
glass in the doors so it is sort of like a small fireplace but much more 
efficient. My wife would object due to the mess associated with such a 
stove.


I would be happy to put a small wood stove in my basement if I had the 
space to spare. Maybe a pellet stove?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Now, I would have said that a traditionalist was a DIYer.
It is the young folks who have abandoned the DIY in favour of just 
buying whatever they might need or want.
Some of that no doubt is because much more is readily available now and 
the stuff from the far east is cheap.


In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do 
without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items 
that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends 
I have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I 
would need or want them.


RB


On 25/11/2014 2:16 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder how many traditionalists versus DIYers there are on the list?
Gerry...DIYer

OK Don wrote:

Now, now. What can be more reliable than a Mercedes engine? Besides, we
already know how to work on them if needed.
You're forgetting the sense of accomplishment, pride in workmanship, and
joy of exercising creativity of cobbling it together yourself - that's
worth a lot to some of us. There is no joy in just paying someone to
install a gray box for you.
With an auto transfer switch and a remote starter, it would be close enough to 
auto for most . . .

  Dan Penoff wrote:

  Absolutely.  The determining factor for me would be if its intended use
was for emergency or home standby.  I can assure you that SWMBO would not even 
consider having to go out, start something up, flip breakers, etc.,
especially if the weather was inclement.
If I had a hunting camp that I needed power for, sure, but not something I 
would want my family to depend on in a life safety situation.
I would also posit that the time and effort in designing, fabricating and 
maintaining something that's cobbled together has value as far as time and 
inconvenience and then there's the reliability issue as well...
Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, me, too.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators



Now, I would have said that a traditionalist was a DIYer.
It is the young folks who have abandoned the DIY in favour of just buying 
whatever they might need or want.
Some of that no doubt is because much more is readily available now and 
the stuff from the far east is cheap.


In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do 
without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items 
that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends I 
have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I would 
need or want them.


RB


On 25/11/2014 2:16 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

I wonder how many traditionalists versus DIYers there are on the list?
Gerry...DIYer

OK Don wrote:

Now, now. What can be more reliable than a Mercedes engine? Besides, we
already know how to work on them if needed.
You're forgetting the sense of accomplishment, pride in workmanship, and
joy of exercising creativity of cobbling it together yourself - that's
worth a lot to some of us. There is no joy in just paying someone to
install a gray box for you.
With an auto transfer switch and a remote starter, it would be close 
enough to auto for most . . .

  Dan Penoff wrote:
  Absolutely.  The determining factor for me would be if its intended 
use
was for emergency or home standby.  I can assure you that SWMBO would 
not even consider having to go out, start something up, flip breakers, 
etc.,

especially if the weather was inclement.
If I had a hunting camp that I needed power for, sure, but not 
something I would want my family to depend on in a life safety 
situation.
I would also posit that the time and effort in designing, fabricating 
and maintaining something that's cobbled together has value as far as 
time and inconvenience and then there's the reliability issue as 
well...

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You obviously haven't checked out the Make movement... Young people are making 
things like you wouldn't believe. You can't generalize about young people...
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion 
List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
Now, I would have said that a traditionalist was a DIYer.
It is the young folks who have abandoned the DIY in favour of just 
buying whatever they might need or want.
Some of that no doubt is because much more is readily available now and 
the stuff from the far east is cheap.

In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do 
without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items 
that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends 
I have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I 
would need or want them.

RB

   
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Feeling young and picked upon are you?

RB

On 25/11/2014 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

You obviously haven't checked out the Make movement... Young people are making things 
like you wouldn't believe. You can't generalize about young people...
-Curt
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  To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

Now, I would have said that a traditionalist was a DIYer.

It is the young folks who have abandoned the DIY in favour of just
buying whatever they might need or want.
Some of that no doubt is because much more is readily available now and
the stuff from the far east is cheap.

In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do
without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items
that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends
I have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I
would need or want them.

RB






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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was going to put something in about my really not being a young person but 
figured you guys knew that. I *think* I'm the youngest on the list now. Luther 
is younger than me but we haven't seen him for awhile.
Actually I'm really jealous of the Maker folks, I'm a pretty good repairer but 
not great at making new things...
-Curthasn't hit 40 yet but the gap is closing.
  From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
Feeling young and picked upon are you?

RB



On 25/11/2014 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 You obviously haven't checked out the Make movement... Young people are 
 making things like you wouldn't believe. You can't generalize about young 
 people...
 -Curt
        From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion 
List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
    
 Now, I would have said that a traditionalist was a DIYer.
 It is the young folks who have abandoned the DIY in favour of just
 buying whatever they might need or want.
 Some of that no doubt is because much more is readily available now and
 the stuff from the far east is cheap.

 In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do
 without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
 However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items
 that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends
 I have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I
 would need or want them.

 RB

    




  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 25/11/2014 3:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I was going to put something in about my really not being a young person but 
figured you guys knew that. I *think* I'm the youngest on the list now. Luther 
is younger than me but we haven't seen him for awhile.
Actually I'm really jealous of the Maker folks, I'm a pretty good repairer but 
not great at making new things...
-Curthasn't hit 40 yet but the gap is closing.
   From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

Feeling young and picked upon are you?


RB






Young is a relative thing.
I am doing my best to catch up with Wilton.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Beats the alternative...
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
On 25/11/2014 3:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I was going to put something in about my really not being a young person but 
 figured you guys knew that. I *think* I'm the youngest on the list now. 
 Luther is younger than me but we haven't seen him for awhile.
 Actually I'm really jealous of the Maker folks, I'm a pretty good repairer 
 but not great at making new things...
 -Curthasn't hit 40 yet but the gap is closing.
        From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
  To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
    
 Feeling young and picked upon are you?

 RB





Young is a relative thing.
I am doing my best to catch up with Wilton.



RB


  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Too true ...

And Wilton will not wish for me to catch up as there is really only one 
way that will ever happen


RB

On 25/11/2014 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Beats the alternative...
-Curt
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mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators

On 25/11/2014 3:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I was going to put something in about my really not being a young person but 
figured you guys knew that. I *think* I'm the youngest on the list now. Luther 
is younger than me but we haven't seen him for awhile.
Actually I'm really jealous of the Maker folks, I'm a pretty good repairer but 
not great at making new things...
-Curthasn't hit 40 yet but the gap is closing.
 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
   To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
 
Feeling young and picked upon are you?


RB





Young is a relative thing.
I am doing my best to catch up with Wilton.



RB


   
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, yep, yep, don't be in a hurry.

Wilt

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Too true ...

And Wilton will not wish for me to catch up as there is really only one 
way that will ever happen


RB

On 25/11/2014 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Beats the alternative...
-Curt
   From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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mercedes@okiebenz.com

  Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
On 25/11/2014 3:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
I was going to put something in about my really not being a young person 
but figured you guys knew that. I *think* I'm the youngest on the list 
now. Luther is younger than me but we haven't seen him for awhile.
Actually I'm really jealous of the Maker folks, I'm a pretty good 
repairer but not great at making new things...

-Curthasn't hit 40 yet but the gap is closing.
 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
   To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

   Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:22 PM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
 Feeling young and picked upon are you?

RB





Young is a relative thing.
I am doing my best to catch up with Wilton.



RB


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[OK Don via Mercedes]

There are a LOT of baby boomers like myself who can't hold a screw driver,
much less build something. It always surprises me when I run across another
one, but then I realize that there are a lot more of them than there people
like me.
I also have a large hoard of I'll need that someday stuff, and I surprise
my wife by occasionally finding just what I need to complete one of her
projects without going to Lowes.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 You obviously haven't checked out the Make movement... Young people are
 making things like you wouldn't believe. You can't generalize about young
 people...
 -Curt
   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  snip
 In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do
 without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
 However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items
 that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends
 I have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I
 would need or want them.

 RB




-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had to shuffle hard to get the snowblower and lawnmower swapped today, found 
a couple old projects I still haven't gotten too. Sadly its too cold to paint 
the passive heat tubes or finish the hovercraft...
Also had to shove my supply of short pieces of wood out of the way, 
periodically that pile gets raided to start fires in the wood stove. If this 
snow sticks we'll be short on firewood, gonna be an oil heated winter I think.
-Curt
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
There are a LOT of baby boomers like myself who can't hold a screw driver, much 
less build something. It always surprises me when I run across another one, but 
then I realize that there are a lot more of them than there people like me. I 
also have a large hoard of I'll need that someday stuff, and I surprise my 
wife by occasionally finding just what I need to complete one of her projects 
without going to Lowes.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

You obviously haven't checked out the Make movement... Young people are making 
things like you wouldn't believe. You can't generalize about young people...
-Curt
      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 snip


In my father's day and before that, one had to either improvise or do
without. I grew up with that view and have been a long time DIYer.
However, I do acknowledge that I have many more ideas than I have items
that have been created. My basement and garage are full of odds and ends
I have saved or salvaged with a view to the idea that at some point I
would need or want them.

RB





-- 
OK Don
NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!There 
are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by 
observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for 
themselves.WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers2013 F150, 18 mpg2012 
Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!

  
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:31:32 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Sadly its too cold to paint the passive heat tubes or finish the
 hovercraft...

Perhaps your weather will be like ours. It was cold the last few days,
but the next few days' forecasts are:

Wednesday   51
Thursday55
Friday  58
Saturday54

Certainly tolerable painting weather. I'm in the midst of refurbishing a
utility trailer and do need to do some painting.


 If this snow sticks we'll be short on firewood, gonna be an oil heated
 winter I think.

Translation: This is going to be more expensive than I hoped.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 22/11/2014 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On November 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile
away, we are all electric with heat pump


If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are:

1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump.
2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the
resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather.

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Pellet stove for backup heat?
Need a generator anyway but not nearly so big if one does not plan to 
run electric heat.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 22/11/2014 12:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Well heck look at this

http://m.harborfreight.com/16000-watts-max-15000-watts-rated-tractor-driven-pto-generator-65309.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided



Not a bad price but not all that automatic.
Can your family manage it if you are not home?

I assume you don't have natural gas available where your new home is?
If not then you need either diesel or propane power as gasoline is not 
the best option with today's gas.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

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On 22/11/2014 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Do NOT buy a PTO driven generator.  I won’t go into details, suffice to say you 
would regret it.

You need to do a load survey first, then decide whether or not you want to 
power the whole house or just critical loads.

It’s more expensive to power the whole house, but installation is a lot 
cheaper.  Typical suburban home would need a 20kW unit to power it 100%, and 
that’s assuming it’s got AC.

You can PM me if you have questions.

Dan

   


What would be bad about a pto generator?

Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel.
Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
Would not need a tractor.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared
down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise
control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool!

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



  What would be bad about a pto generator?

 Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB
 diesel.
 Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
 Would not need a tractor.

 RB





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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe it could be mounted in the trunk or something 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared
 down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise
 control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool!
 
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 What would be bad about a pto generator?
 
 Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB
 diesel.
 Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
 Would not need a tractor.
 
 RB
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:41:01 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared
 down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise
 control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool!

Indeed!

A quick and dirty setup, but the multiple meshed gear sets will decrease
efficiency. You'd be running the engine at a high RPM, gearing it down to
the PTO's 540 RPM, going through the driveshaft, and then, in the
generator assembly, gearing it back up to the generator's RPM.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

That is what my plan always was, but not the redneck version.  I was 
going to build an enclosure for it.  I built a frame with MB motor 
mounts for an OM621 engine 30+ years ago, but I never found an 
affordable generator, and never really needed it badly enough to 
complete the project.  It made a stand for a spare engine.


You could mount the generator in the back seat area.  You might be 
able to leave the front seats in so you could take a nap too.  (to be 
really Red Green about it)




It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared
down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise
control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool!

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:




  What would be bad about a pto generator?

 Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB
 diesel.
 Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
 Would not need a tractor.

 RB






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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I always worry about keeping a supply of pellets. I don't think they store well 
and don't tolerate moisture at all. Thats why I'm a big fan of coal for backup 
heat. It stores essentially forever, in some parts of the country its super 
easy to get but it tends to be available everywhere anyway and in a pinch can 
burn wood or what have you.

-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
On 22/11/2014 12:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
 On November 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 At the new Okie acres rancho costa plenty were the nearest neighbor is a mile
 away, we are all electric with heat pump

 If truly all electric and not dual fuel, the fun parts are:

 1. It might take a lot of generator to start the heat pump.
 2. There's no reasonably sized generator that's likely to be able to run the
 resistance heat strips that supplement the heat pump in cold weather.

 ___


Pellet stove for backup heat?
Need a generator anyway but not nearly so big if one does not plan to 
run electric heat.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:08:13 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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 Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB
 diesel. Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
 Would not need a tractor.

Or, you could get a two-bearing generator and mount it to a frame like I
did. The pictures show a generator set with a propane-fired Chevette
engine, turning a large tractor flywheel in an I-beam box, and then a
pulley arrangement to turn the generator.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - use the passenger area for a 100 gal fuel tank, or two, or three.
Since it's for emergency use, not daily power, the losses due to multiple
gearings would not be a significant issue.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Maybe it could be mounted in the trunk or something

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:41 AM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared
  down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise
  control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool!
 




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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas...

Generators come in two configurations:

Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the 
alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the 
alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end.  This is 
what most in the business would call a direct coupled or conventional 
alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this is it.

Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an 
electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft 
will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or 
pulley.  In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and 
maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well 
below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.)

The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but 
most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. 
Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the 
prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume 
and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes.

You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single 
bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE 
standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could 
probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that 
would also bolt up to a standard alternator.

The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter 
at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce 
power at the proper frequency.  A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 
rpm.  It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW.

Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up 
arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of 
reliability.  If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my 
family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well 
engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling 
the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch 
of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the 
middle of a storm.

Just my $0.02, folks.

Dan

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 On Nov 24, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That is what my plan always was, but not the redneck version.  I was going to 
 build an enclosure for it.  I built a frame with MB motor mounts for an OM621 
 engine 30+ years ago, but I never found an affordable generator, and never 
 really needed it badly enough to complete the project.  It made a stand for a 
 spare engine.
 
 You could mount the generator in the back seat area.  You might be able to 
 leave the front seats in so you could take a nap too.  (to be really Red 
 Green about it)
 
 
 It says it needs 30 HP at 540 RPM - though I suspect the PTO is geared
 down. So, a 240D with a tranny to gear it down should work. The cruise
 control could be your governor, and the body the enclosure. Too cool!
 
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
  What would be bad about a pto generator?
 
 Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB
 diesel.
 Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
 Would not need a tractor.
 
 RB
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[OK Don via Mercedes]

 So, Kaleb, do you have any cars left to use for the MB-genset project?



 How many did you move, and how many went to the crushers?



 What are you getting at the crushers these days?




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[MBZ] Generators

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

 What would be bad about a pto generator?
 
 Kaleb could mount the thing on a skid and power it with a surplus MB diesel.
 Even the 240D engine should produce enough HP to run it.
 Would not need a tractor.
 
 RB
..
The 240D idea has possibilites IMO.
Build a frame to support the generator inside a 240D at something like window 
level.
Weld or bolt a multiple belt pulley on the flywheel and a matching multiple 
belt pulley on the generator; the sizes of the pulleys being calculated to 
operate the engine and generator at the engines optimum speed and the 
generators required speed.
Multiple belt pulley sets are used in numerous industrial applications and 
there are a wide range of sizes available, so it should be possible to achieve 
the proper generator RPM.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Oh, c ome on Dan.
You are the expert.
You are supposed to tell us how to do it with an old Mercedes diesel - 
not tell us it cannot be done!


RB


On 24/11/2014 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas...

Generators come in two configurations:

Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of the alternator 
(generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of the alternator has a bearing 
in an end frame which supports the back end.  This is what most in the business would 
call a direct coupled or conventional alternator. When you see an engine 
driven generator set, this is it.

Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like an 
electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A shaft 
will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by a belt or 
pulley.  In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost and 
maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are well 
below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 pole.)

The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, but 
most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing alternator. 
Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain size, because the 
prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due to the very low volume 
and expense of the ancillary items like gear reduction boxes.

You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single 
bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE 
standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you could 
probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine that 
would also bolt up to a standard alternator.

The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would encounter 
at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in order to produce 
power at the proper frequency.  A 60 HP engine does not produce 60 HP at 1800 
rpm.  It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would yield about 15kW.

Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up 
arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of 
reliability.  If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my 
family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well 
engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, coupling 
the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking up a bunch 
of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home alone in the 
middle of a storm.

Just my $0.02, folks.

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Some time back, I posted (I think) a story I got from another internet 
forum about a guy who mounted an old  Briggs or Kohler or ??? on top of 
the engine block in a boat with an inboard outboard and ran it via a 
chain drive from the small engine onto a sprocket welded onto the 
harmonic balancer or something like that.
The original engine was used only as a means of transferring power from 
the little motor to the outdrive - IE - the pistons were out and the 
crankshaft served the purpose of a shaft with bearing to mount the 
sprocket onto and to maintain the connection to the outdrive. Crankcase 
filled with oil for lube and a plate over the top to hold the oil.


So, if one wanted to do this in a red neck manner, one could do 
something similar.
Find a generator with a scored cylinder or two cheap and use the block 
as the means of  transmitting power from the aux engine to the generator 
that lacks the necessary bearings to permit it to be run on its own.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Like this.

RB


I drove up stream a bit to a small dirt landing, hand lauched the boat 
and went about fishing for several hours. After a bit I decided to head 
up stream and try for some crabs, a ways upstream we run across and old 
man in an old, raggedy Renken trihull, with an OMC I/O set up. He was 
tossing the anchor and retreiving rope.
I circled back and asked if I could help, he went on to explain that his 
motor died and he couldn't get it started. He had been out all morning 
and was only 1/4 of the way back to the ramp.
I offered to help and he said I was welcome to try but he gave up hours 
ago.
To my surprise, the dog box was made of T111 siding, and about 3' taller 
than normal. He proceeded to show me how the top of the box folds back 
on hinges to expose the engine. (There were no gauges or controls on the 
dash other than several toggle switches. The boat had bench seats 
installed over a plain plywood deck. The seats were screwed in from each 
side right through the glass hull. He said he didn't have a starter, and 
when I flipped the home made cover back I saw why...
The original inline four cylinder motor was gutted, all but the oil pan 
and block were gone. On top of the block where the cylinder head used to 
reside was a steel plate, with a cast iron Wisconsin cement mixer motor 
bolted on top of the original engine. There was what looked like a 
motorcycle chain going from the air cooled engine up top down to a 
sprocket welded to the original crankshaft. The oil pan was filled to 
the edge, and he made a sheet metal funnel to keep the oil in the pan as 
the chain turned. The added on motor has no recoil, only a rope sheave. 
I gave it a few pulls and it didn't feel healthy inside.
I told the guy something broke inside, and that I'd try to tow him to 
the dock 




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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I never said it cannot be done - I just pointed out the difficulty in doing it 
DIY.

Dan

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 On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 Oh, c ome on Dan.
 You are the expert.
 You are supposed to tell us how to do it with an old Mercedes diesel - not 
 tell us it cannot be done!
 
 RB
 
 
 On 24/11/2014 1:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Ok, ok, let me put the end to this PTO or drive it off a 240D ideas...
 
 Generators come in two configurations:
 
 Single bearing, where a flex disc is bolted to a flywheel and the front of 
 the alternator (generator) is supported by the driving engine. The end of 
 the alternator has a bearing in an end frame which supports the back end.  
 This is what most in the business would call a direct coupled or 
 conventional alternator. When you see an engine driven generator set, this 
 is it.
 
 Two bearing generators are alternators that are built in a frame much like 
 an electric motor, with end brackets using bearings to support each end. A 
 shaft will project out of one end that can be coupled to a PTO or driven by 
 a belt or pulley.  In many cases there are gear reductions (big added cost 
 and maintenance) on the ends of these when a PTO is used, as PTO speeds are 
 well below the RPM necessary to produce 60 Hz (1800 rpm-4 pole, 3600 rpm-2 
 pole.)
 
 The killer is in the means of coupling. Sure, you can jury rig something, 
 but most of the applications suggested would require a two bearing 
 alternator. Problem is, they're not commonly manufactured above a certain 
 size, because the prime movers are rarer and the costs are much higher due 
 to the very low volume and expense of the ancillary items like gear 
 reduction boxes.
 
 You would be more likely to be able to set up an arrangement with a single 
 bearing generator and an engine because generator manufacturers use SAE 
 standard flywheel couplings to design their alternators. That means you 
 could probably find an SAE bell housing and flywheel to bolt up to an engine 
 that would also bolt up to a standard alternator.
 
 The other factor that kicks in is the reduced engine output you would 
 encounter at the speed (1800 rpm) the alternator would need to run at in 
 order to produce power at the proper frequency.  A 60 HP engine does not 
 produce 60 HP at 1800 rpm.  It might only produce 20 HP, which at best would 
 yield about 15kW.
 
 Having been in the business I have heard (and seen) all sorts of cobbled up 
 arrangements as described, none of which worked well or had any semblance of 
 reliability.  If I want a backup power system that is going to protect my 
 family and property, I want something that will be reliable, automatic, well 
 engineered and trouble free. I don't see Regina going out to the shop, 
 coupling the alternator to the tractor PTO, starting the tractor and hooking 
 up a bunch of wires or flipping breakers when she and the kids are home 
 alone in the middle of a storm.
 
 Just my $0.02, folks.
 
 Dan
 

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sounds like one of the Engine Division's biggest sellers in the late 
1960s-early 70s.

They used to have a K91 (4hp horizontal shaft) engine spec that had a three 
foot crankshaft extension.

They were used quite heavily in Vietnam and Laos by people who lived on the 
water for propulsion engines in their small boats. They would attach a small 
prop to the end of the crankshaft and just hang the engine over the side of the 
boat with the prop in the water. A piece of pipe bolted to the side provided a 
handle for the tiller.

When the Vietnam War began the embargoes prevented them from being sold into 
the area.

Dan

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 On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 
 Some time back, I posted (I think) a story I got from another internet forum 
 about a guy who mounted an old  Briggs or Kohler or ??? on top of the engine 
 block in a boat with an inboard outboard and ran it via a chain drive from 
 the small engine onto a sprocket welded onto the harmonic balancer or 
 something like that.
 The original engine was used only as a means of transferring power from the 
 little motor to the outdrive - IE - the pistons were out and the crankshaft 
 served the purpose of a shaft with bearing to mount the sprocket onto and to 
 maintain the connection to the outdrive. Crankcase filled with oil for lube 
 and a plate over the top to hold the oil.
 
 So, if one wanted to do this in a red neck manner, one could do something 
 similar.
 Find a generator with a scored cylinder or two cheap and use the block as the 
 means of  transmitting power from the aux engine to the generator that lacks 
 the necessary bearings to permit it to be run on its own.
 
 RB

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

That sort of thing is still made. I cannot recall the name but they are 
mostly used by people who want to duck hunt or whatever in shallow areas.
This idea however is quite different than that in the sense that it uses 
the original outdrive on the boat.


RB

On 24/11/2014 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Sounds like one of the Engine Division's biggest sellers in the late 
1960s-early 70s.

They used to have a K91 (4hp horizontal shaft) engine spec that had a three 
foot crankshaft extension.

They were used quite heavily in Vietnam and Laos by people who lived on the 
water for propulsion engines in their small boats. They would attach a small 
prop to the end of the crankshaft and just hang the engine over the side of the 
boat with the prop in the water. A piece of pipe bolted to the side provided a 
handle for the tiller.

When the Vietnam War began the embargoes prevented them from being sold into 
the area.

Dan

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On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

Some time back, I posted (I think) a story I got from another internet forum 
about a guy who mounted an old  Briggs or Kohler or ??? on top of the engine 
block in a boat with an inboard outboard and ran it via a chain drive from the 
small engine onto a sprocket welded onto the harmonic balancer or something 
like that.
The original engine was used only as a means of transferring power from the 
little motor to the outdrive - IE - the pistons were out and the crankshaft 
served the purpose of a shaft with bearing to mount the sprocket onto and to 
maintain the connection to the outdrive. Crankcase filled with oil for lube and 
a plate over the top to hold the oil.

So, if one wanted to do this in a red neck manner, one could do something 
similar.
Find a generator with a scored cylinder or two cheap and use the block as the 
means of  transmitting power from the aux engine to the generator that lacks 
the necessary bearings to permit it to be run on its own.

RB

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