Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
thought about buying a program that will allow retouching of old photos. We have family tintypes and such that are up to 150 years old that I'd like to restore digitally. Photos != video. You can probably run Photoshop on anything. I know it runs on this 233 MHz G3. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You don't need dual video ports (not dual video cards either, I presume he's talking about 2 monitors) to edit video. I'm just finishing up a video I've done for a dance studio on my Dell laptop. The thing is that dual monitors are nice but definately not required. On an app like iMovie they aren't even an advantage that I can see. Any PC made in the last 5 years ought to be able to handle editing video. On the Mac iMovie comes with iLife so its basically free. On the PC side you buy Pinnacle Studio which kicks iMovie around like Kaleb treats his Kia. Its $99 though, see Gary's post about paying for quality. -Curt Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:36:53 -0400 From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4b95c7543fde46428c3d791c03825...@gerry Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Thanks, guys. Ed mentions something about dual video cards being necessary for video editing (below). Since Macs are good for that sort of thing, I had thought about buying a program that will allow retouching of old photos. We have family tintypes and such that are up to 150 years old that I'd like to restore digitally. Would I need dual cards for that sort of thing? My son-in-law would like the video editing feature since he shoots a lot of video. If I got a MacBook with the video editing feature, I could loan the MacBook to him to try. If he liked it he would probably buy a Mac too since video is his main hobby (besides fishing). I just now checked the Apple refurb website and the plastic case MacBook for $749 Ed mentions (see below) that was there this morning is gone; nothing left but aluminum case MacBooks for a higher price, of course. I'll keep checking. Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090628/bfe005cf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You don't need dual video ports (not dual video cards either, I presume he's talking about 2 monitors) to edit video. I'm just finishing up a video I've done for a dance studio on my Dell laptop. The thing is that dual monitors are nice but definately not required. On an app like iMovie they aren't even an advantage that I can see. Nope, dual video cards for a single output. Incredibly fast graphics processing. Times two.[image: NVIDIA] The 17-inch MacBook Pro and select 15-inch models have an advanced graphics architecture that employs both the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated and NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT discrete graphics processors. When you need turbocharged performance for the most graphically intensive tasks, the discrete graphics processor delivers up to 2.5x faster performance than the integrated graphics.3 Experience the fastest, smoothest, and clearest graphics yet for pro applications like Aperture and Motion, productivity tools such as Keynote, and intensive 3D games. Depending on how much performance or battery life you need, it’s easy to switch between the two processors. EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090628/dcadf22d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
Thanks, Curt. I'll save this info for later on the learning curve. Editing video sounds interesting. Gerry --- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com You don't need dual video ports (not dual video cards either, I presume he's talking about 2 monitors) to edit video. I'm just finishing up a video I've done for a dance studio on my Dell laptop. The thing is that dual monitors are nice but definately not required. On an app like iMovie they aren't even an advantage that I can see. Any PC made in the last 5 years ought to be able to handle editing video. On the Mac iMovie comes with iLife so its basically free. On the PC side you buy Pinnacle Studio which kicks iMovie around like Kaleb treats his Kia. Its $99 though, see Gary's post about paying for quality. -Curt From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Thanks, guys. Ed mentions something about dual video cards being necessary for video editing (below). Since Macs are good for that sort of thing, I had thought about buying a program that will allow retouching of old photos. We have family tintypes and such that are up to 150 years old that I'd like to restore digitally. Would I need dual cards for that sort of thing? My son-in-law would like the video editing feature since he shoots a lot of video. If I got a MacBook with the video editing feature, I could loan the MacBook to him to try. If he liked it he would probably buy a Mac too since video is his main hobby (besides fishing). I just now checked the Apple refurb website and the plastic case MacBook for $749 Ed mentions (see below) that was there this morning is gone; nothing left but aluminum case MacBooks for a higher price, of course. I'll keep checking. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
Gerry wrote: thought about buying a program that will allow retouching of old photos. We have family tintypes and such that are up to 150 years old that I'd like to restore digitally. Photos != video. You can probably run Photoshop on anything. I know it runs on this 233 MHz G3. -- Jim ___ Thanks, Jim. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
Hi Ed, You wrote: You can perform video editing on any of the MacBook line, but with the Pro's that have the Dual Video Card and Snow Leopard including OpenCL for borrowing unused GPU cycles for apps and Grand Central to truly make use of more than one processor, the Pro's with the second, far more power hungry video card, are designed for intensive video editing. As has been noted in earlier posts, however, there are true professionals still using the PowerBook G4 for video editing. So even the MacBook, with it's NVIDIA GPU, is going to give you a good video editing platform. However, the cheaper last year Mini with integrated Intel GMA950 GPU, not so much. The GMA was for office applications and light 3d acceleration. True hard core video editing slows it way down. In fact I have a video app I can't even use on the Mini, though can on a G5, simply because of the video card and not the CPU. So if you are going to want to do a lot of home movie / DV type editing, MacBook. If you are just doing old digital photo / analog scanned photo touch up, you don't need the power of the faster GPU's. --- G: I just now checked the Apple refurb website and the plastic case MacBook for $749 Ed mentions (see below) that was there this morning is gone; nothing left but aluminum case MacBooks for a higher price, of course. I'll keep checking. --- Yeah, that's the trouble with the refurbs. A lot of times they are only a very few in number, and go quick. But if you are patient and on top of it, you can get a great deal. The more you say, the more it seems you'd be much better served with a MacBook, or MacBook Pro and setting it up as a desktop so you have portability when you need it, but the power to deal with large media files on a regular basis. The Mini is great for Internet users and office apps, typing papers, doing research, etc. My wife uses the Mini to play a lot of World of Warcraft, and now that I can't use my video app (BoinxTV,) it looks like I'm going to have to move up to a MacBook myself. Also, on the note of Boinx, I picked it up from a site called MacHeist ( http://www.macheist.com) if you do get a Mac, and love it, I can not recommend MacHeist enough. About once a year they set up a lot of fake websites, and partner with other Mac software providers, then you have to perform logic tasks to track down a spy leaving clues in the system. With each task you complete, you unlock an Application. Then, when everything is said and done, they release the MacHeist Bundle (which you don't have to play their game to purchase.) This year I paid $49 and received iSale, (an eBay app that lets you create an auction locally with a point and click interface, then single click to Go and start the auction on eBay itself) Picturesque, (which you'd probably like, it's a good little photo touch up program) Souschef, (Recipe Database) World of Goo, (Cute little game) PhoneView, (great if you have an iPhone or iPod Touch, let's you manipulate data directly on the device) LittleSnapper, (I admit, haven't used this much, kind of like an iPhoto database app I think) Acorn, (a bit more powerful photo manipulator, editor) Kinemac, (3D Presentation software) WireTap Studio, (This year the bundle was worth this alone, if it is playing on your Mac, WireTap can capture the audio. Ergo, internet radio and streaming music, click, saved) BoinxTV, (Real Time TV Studio, Multiple Camera Input. If you want to produce an internet TV show, you need this app) Delicious Library, (Use your digital camera to snap a shot of an items barcode, then let the Library add it to your database. Great for insurance claims. Here's everything I owned.) Times, (RSS News Reader app) The point is, for the price of most regular software packages, or a good game, I got a bucket load of software. EdB -- I'll keep checking the Apple refurb site for a MacBook or MacBook Pro with dual video cards and Snow Leopard. I assume that OpenCL and Grand Central are programs available from Apple. Will save your software recommendations for later on the MacBook learning curve. Thanks, Ed. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
Photoshop in some form will run on any Mac reasonably well. I used 4.0 and 5.5 on a 1400cs, and it works, alibet rather slowly. Much better on the G3 beige, faster and easier on the BW, especially with the 500 MHz G4 processor. Speed is fine once you get enough memory that it doesn't do disk swapping, although re-sizing a 45 MB file is still not fast. No change when I upgraded, at last, to 7.0 (runs under OS X rather than 9.2), just a whole lot easier to use and to print from. For older Macs, even 3.5 isn't too bad, and it will run on OS 7.1 on a IIfx, if you can stand 40 Mhz processor speed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Peter. Gerry From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Photoshop in some form will run on any Mac reasonably well. I used 4.0 and 5.5 on a 1400cs, and it works, alibet rather slowly. Much better on the G3 beige, faster and easier on the BW, especially with the 500 MHz G4 processor. Speed is fine once you get enough memory that it doesn't do disk swapping, although re-sizing a 45 MB file is still not fast. No change when I upgraded, at last, to 7.0 (runs under OS X rather than 9.2), just a whole lot easier to use and to print from. For older Macs, even 3.5 isn't too bad, and it will run on OS 7.1 on a IIfx, if you can stand 40 Mhz processor speed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh, SLI... Not required. Dubious advantage to all but the highest end gamers. I don't think Final Cut takes full advantage of it anyway. I know all apps will get some advantage from SLI but to get the full monty the app has to be specifically written to utilize it. I haven't used FCP in quite awhile but I haven't heard of it being used. FCP is one of our competitors so I try to at least keep an eye on whats happening. For what its worth I'm finishing up this dance studio video on my HP XW8000 which is 4 generations old. Granted its got 3GB of RAM and a 512MB video card but the dual 2.8Ghz processors are slower than the core duo 2.x (I forget exactly what it is) in my laptop. The only time its an issue is when I need to render which makes for a good time to go get coffee. I'm using the desktop system because its hooked to the tv. Final edits MUST be proofed on a television. Good thing too, I'm finding one camera (of three) was having trouble with its autofocus and occasionally drifts ever so slightly out of focus. It was hard to tell on the computer monitor even at full screen on the TV its pretty obvious. -Curt Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:33:48 -0400 From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 446c86e30906280733g3a95764bs571edb49a208a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You don't need dual video ports (not dual video cards either, I presume he's talking about 2 monitors) to edit video. I'm just finishing up a video I've done for a dance studio on my Dell laptop. The thing is that dual monitors are nice but definately not required. On an app like iMovie they aren't even an advantage that I can see. Nope, dual video cards for a single output. Incredibly fast graphics processing. Times two.[image: NVIDIA] The 17-inch MacBook Pro and select 15-inch models have an advanced graphics architecture that employs both the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M integrated and NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT discrete graphics processors. When you need turbocharged performance for the most graphically intensive tasks, the discrete graphics processor delivers up to 2.5x faster performance than the integrated graphics.3 Experience the fastest, smoothest, and clearest graphics yet for pro applications like Aperture and Motion, productivity tools such as Keynote, and intensive 3D games. Depending on how much performance or battery life you need, it?s easy to switch between the two processors. EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090628/5e2b62ae/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You learn something new everyday. I'd presumed that OpenCL was a mistype for OpenGL but before I said anything I googled it Similar but not the same. Anyway I wouldn't get too hung up on getting extra power for video editing, unless somebody in your family is going to go pro on this machine its just not worth it. I was editing video on a 400Mhz G4 not all that long ago just sometimes you have to wait while it renders, not the end of the world. The crappy Intel video card in the Mac Mini will make it somewhat unsuitable for video but the average person putting their home videos together will never notice. You know what most people do with their computer? 2 things: Play solitare Look at porn... Any computer can do those, most can do both at the same time! -Curt Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:59:57 -0400 From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: bd571f80bac24a62b355a07132943...@gerry Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I'll keep checking the Apple refurb site for a MacBook or MacBook Pro with dual video cards and Snow Leopard. I assume that OpenCL and Grand Central are programs available from Apple. Will save your software recommendations for later on the MacBook learning curve. Thanks, Ed. Gerry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090628/89a48931/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you can get a core 2 duo for 399 brand new in a mini. why get a core solo for the same money? On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry Gerry, I'm going to wade into this discussion and take the Devil's Advocate position. In the spirit of full disclosure, I do own Apple stock, and generally prefer Mac OS X over all other operating systems. That being said: == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi -- $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi -- The G4 iBook was a very nice machine, and these two examples will allow you to run Leopard, the last PowerPC version of the Mac OS. If you are going to buy one of these machines just to learn the OS, then one of these would be my recommendation. -- $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi -- $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED -- Do not, under any circumstances, buy a G3 anything. -- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW -- This machine will not officially run Leopard. You will have to learn how to force Leopard onto this system, and as such may become frustrated. With that being said, personally, I wouldn't offer any of these machines to a first time Apple buyer for several reasons without knowing specifically what you want to use a Mac to do. So I will make some assumptions and attempt to talk you forward based on that. First, the PowerPC (PPC) architecture is well and truly dead. Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6, is Intel only and has absolutely no PPC code left in the system. Most games already are using a series of code that allows Windows games to be quickly ported to the *Intel* version of the Mac OS by using some of the WINE code to compile into the code to make the Windows API specific parts of the game think they are running on a Windows machine. This means that there is already software that simply will not run on any version of the PPC Mac OS, and that will only get worse as new software is written specifically for Snow Leopard. Second, out of all of the choices offered above the best ones are the G4 iBooks. These iBooks were introduced in 2004, and as such are already 5 years old technologically. The video processing (which is important for the video you mention) is only 32 MB in an ATI 9200 Radeon chip on the high end. Can you perform video functions with this chipset? Yes. Will it be fluid? Depends on what you are watching. YouTube regular video? Probably ok. YouTube HD video? Really pushing it. Hulu, CBS, ABC, etc? Depends on bit rate and resolution. Basically, bandwidth is important to get the data to you, however, it's still up to the video processor to decode and display that information. Third, while I am confident you will love the Mac OS if given an open and honest chance. There is always that learning curve for new ideology. Meaning, if you have Windows so ingrained that you just can't get your mind to wrap around how the Mac OS does things, you'll always feel like it's mocking you. Making you angry. With a PPC Mac, you are stuck with the Mac OS, or PPC Linux/BSD. Reference the First point and you increase the probability that this machine will sit unused. Fourth, while $235 will not buy you even a Core Solo (Intel) Mac Mini, when you can find them $399 will. In fact Power Max ( http://www.powermax.com/parts/show/c-u66060) has one in stock right now. 1.5 Ghz Core Solo, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB hard drive and 64 MB Video RAM with the Intel GMA950 integrated graphics system. Also not a powerhouse video card, but better at video decoding than the ATI. $599 will get you a Core Duo iMac with integrated 17 LCD monitor. $595 will also get you a 1st Generation Core Duo MacBook as well, if a laptop is truly important to you. What does your $164 (for the Core Solo Mini) in difference get you? Peace of Mind Insurance. The Intel Macs can run Windows. In fact several PC magazines say the best Windows PC to buy is a Mac. So if the Third point comes to pass that you just have to have Windows, you can remove the Mac OS and install Windows and chalk it up as a bad exercise. It also buys you the chance
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you can get a core 2 duo for 399 brand new in a mini. why get a core solo for the same money? A new Mini is $599 direct from Apple. Where are you buying new Minis for $400? Because if that's true, everyone needs one! EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/6e30c7fe/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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microcenter had hundreds of them if not thousands On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you can get a core 2 duo for 399 brand new in a mini. why get a core solo for the same money? A new Mini is $599 direct from Apple. Where are you buying new Minis for $400? Because if that's true, everyone needs one! EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/6e30c7fe/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/07ea9457/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: microcenter had hundreds of them if not thousands Huh ... Micro Center in Duluth has 17 last gen Mini's for $399. Gerry, if you are wanting a Mini, jump on that one. Because those are closeouts from the last year Minis and once they are gone, they are gone. Good eye, Gary. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/075e8e30/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yeah, that's where i bought mine a little over a month ago. they had tons of them On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: microcenter had hundreds of them if not thousands Huh ... Micro Center in Duluth has 17 last gen Mini's for $399. Gerry, if you are wanting a Mini, jump on that one. Because those are closeouts from the last year Minis and once they are gone, they are gone. Good eye, Gary. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/075e8e30/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/88eb716e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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an iBook G$ will have USB and Firewire, but I don't know if it's USB1.1 or USB 2.0. Hopefully the latter, 1.1 is glacial. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Mitch. Gerry --- archer wrote: I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. --- Ever since CPUs were measured in Ghz instead of Mhz, glitches in video streaming are usually from throughput on the source when watched from the internet. My 400 Mhz Cyrex CPU and slow motherboard integrated video had some minor problems with watching video, the 2.66Ghz Intel Celeron (crippled Pentium 4) that replaced it could simultaneously record and play (timeshift a TV show) at up to DVD Long Play resolution, but if I recorded at full standard DVD rates I had to disable timeshift. (I like to start watching a one hour TV show 10-20 minutes after it begins, and skip commercials as I watch. That way I finish watching about time the broadcast is finished.) my new 2.5Ghz AMD dual core can do any play/record functions I might want, but encoding and burning a DVD in Vista DVD Maker takes a couple of hours. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Dan and Gary, Your discussion about the MacMini is interesting. Looked it up at the Apple website and found it's gone up to about $599 but a MacBook is still only $999. Didn't know they were that cheap. Since the guy with the used Macs listed software (10.4 Tiger iLife) with some of the G3 machines and didn't list an OS with the G4s, it looks like I will have to buy an OS for either of the G4s. Looked up OSs that will supposedly work on G4 iBooks and found one OS-X Leopard 10.5.4 for $60 on Ebay. That would raise the price of the G4 iBook to about $300. Either Mac or MS OSs can be used on a new MacBook according to what I read on the Mac website. Might be able to justify that expense since grandson, who is going to college this fall, is always having virus troubles on his families computer which runs Windows. He could use the MacBook this summer in order to see if he can adapt to a Mac. If he can, he could take it with him to college and I could buy a used G4 iBook or another MacBook. If he doesn't like it, he can just give it back to me or put a PC OS on it. In general, maybe buying a new MacBook would let the whole family try a new Mac. Since both Mac and Windows OSs will supposedly work on a MacBook, it seems like that would be the best laptop anyone could buy when you consider their exceptional repair and support record. Looking at the Apple website, I don't see a lot of difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro except a smaller cpu and hard drive. Unless you or Gary know of something I missed about the MacBook, it looks like I've talked myself into ordering either a MacBook or a MacBook Pro. (grin) Thanks, Gerry - From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com I think the mini is really a niche product, myself, just like the AppleTV. While they are very popular, by the time you load one up with any sort of options (most of which cannot be field or user installed) you're within a few hundred bucks of a MacBook, especially with the price drops they've recently initiated. Most of the people I know who have Mac minis use them as media servers for running iTunes, video, gaming and Internet access through their TVs. For a basic desktop machine that only requires you to buy a monitor of some sort, they are a very good deal, especially when you consider the cost as well as the software that's already bundled on them as a part of the OS. If you tried to move towards the high end of the (mini) product line, I don't really see the value. The only thing I could think of is if you have really limited space or want to do some sort of custom desktop install. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:56 PM and how about the notebooks vs the new intel mac minis you can get for 399? LWB250 wrote: Sure. A lot of people use their notebooks that way. Personally I don't see the point, but if you only have once computer and want to have a bigger display, external keyboard, etc., all you have to do is plug them in. I also believe that there is a setting that allows you to run the machine with the lid down while doing this, too, but I would have to do a little research to verify that. There is some geeky term to describe this type of operation, but I don't recall what it is MacDan Gary Hurst wrote: see, there you have it, straight from the guru himself. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Clay. Gerry -- From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net Standard USB for KB and Mouse. Get the 1.33 G4 iBook and it has bluetooth, wireless KB and Mouse then. Will also synch with your phone if need be. Can swap wallpapers, music, ringtones that way or synch contacts and appointments clay On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:49 PM, archer wrote: I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Peter. Gerry -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net an iBook G$ will have USB and Firewire, but I don't know if it's USB1.1 or USB 2.0. Hopefully the latter, 1.1 is glacial. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Ed, As you can see from the post to Dan, I've about decided to buy a new MacBook. Your opinions on that decision would also be appreciated. Thanks, Gerry -- From: Ed Booher I'm going to wade into this discussion and take the Devil's Advocate position. In the spirit of full disclosure, I do own Apple stock, and generally prefer Mac OS X over all other operating systems. That being said: == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi -- $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi -- The G4 iBook was a very nice machine, and these two examples will allow you to run Leopard, the last PowerPC version of the Mac OS. If you are going to buy one of these machines just to learn the OS, then one of these would be my recommendation. -- $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi -- $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED -- Do not, under any circumstances, buy a G3 anything. -- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW -- This machine will not officially run Leopard. You will have to learn how to force Leopard onto this system, and as such may become frustrated. With that being said, personally, I wouldn't offer any of these machines to a first time Apple buyer for several reasons without knowing specifically what you want to use a Mac to do. So I will make some assumptions and attempt to talk you forward based on that. First, the PowerPC (PPC) architecture is well and truly dead. Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6, is Intel only and has absolutely no PPC code left in the system. Most games already are using a series of code that allows Windows games to be quickly ported to the *Intel* version of the Mac OS by using some of the WINE code to compile into the code to make the Windows API specific parts of the game think they are running on a Windows machine. This means that there is already software that simply will not run on any version of the PPC Mac OS, and that will only get worse as new software is written specifically for Snow Leopard. Second, out of all of the choices offered above the best ones are the G4 iBooks. These iBooks were introduced in 2004, and as such are already 5 years old technologically. The video processing (which is important for the video you mention) is only 32 MB in an ATI 9200 Radeon chip on the high end. Can you perform video functions with this chipset? Yes. Will it be fluid? Depends on what you are watching. YouTube regular video? Probably ok. YouTube HD video? Really pushing it. Hulu, CBS, ABC, etc? Depends on bit rate and resolution. Basically, bandwidth is important to get the data to you, however, it's still up to the video processor to decode and display that information. Third, while I am confident you will love the Mac OS if given an open and honest chance. There is always that learning curve for new ideology. Meaning, if you have Windows so ingrained that you just can't get your mind to wrap around how the Mac OS does things, you'll always feel like it's mocking you. Making you angry. With a PPC Mac, you are stuck with the Mac OS, or PPC Linux/BSD. Reference the First point and you increase the probability that this machine will sit unused. Fourth, while $235 will not buy you even a Core Solo (Intel) Mac Mini, when you can find them $399 will. In fact Power Max ( http://www.powermax.com/parts/show/c-u66060) has one in stock right now. 1.5 Ghz Core Solo, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB hard drive and 64 MB Video RAM with the Intel GMA950 integrated graphics system. Also not a powerhouse video card, but better at video decoding than the ATI. $599 will get you a Core Duo iMac with integrated 17 LCD monitor. $595 will also get you a 1st Generation Core Duo MacBook as well, if a laptop is truly important to you. What does your $164 (for the Core Solo Mini) in difference get you? Peace of Mind Insurance. The Intel Macs can run Windows. In fact several PC magazines say the best Windows PC to buy is a Mac. So if the Third point comes to pass that you just have to have Windows, you can remove the Mac OS and install Windows and chalk it up as a bad exercise. It also buys you the chance to use Snow Leopard (though in the case of the Core Solo, not at full strength. Snow really loves multiple core/multiple processors) which will be out in Sept, and will keep your Mac current for
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Thanks, Jim. Gerry - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net The iBooks should work with an external mouse and keyboard, if they are USB. If they are older ones with the little round connectors then no. People forget that the i-Everything was post-ADB, post-SCSI, and after firewire came along. If the CPU's faster than about 300 MHz, in other words. Our 400 MHz pismo has a little trouble with youtube, but will play a DVD just fine, much bigger and with a faster frame rate. So it's a bit on the edge. Anything faster will probably be just fine. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2205 - Release Date: 06/27/09 05:53:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That changes the picture. Maybe I'll buy one of the MacMinis for me and a MacBook or MacBook Pro (which one?) for my grandson since I haven't bought him a graduation present yet. I'll load Windows on the MacBook along side the Mac OS (if that's possible) and he can use either one. Thanks, Gerry -- From: Gary Hurst yeah, that's where i bought mine a little over a month ago. they had tons of them On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: microcenter had hundreds of them if not thousands Huh ... Micro Center in Duluth has 17 last gen Mini's for $399. Gerry, if you are wanting a Mini, jump on that one. Because those are closeouts from the last year Minis and once they are gone, they are gone. Good eye, Gary. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Looking at the Apple website, I don't see a lot of difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro except a smaller cpu and hard drive. Unless you or Gary know of something I missed about the MacBook, it looks like I've talked myself into ordering either a MacBook or a MacBook Pro. (grin) Thanks, Gerry Right now the only difference between a MacBook and a MacBook Pro is Aluminium. As of last month the difference was dual video cards in the Pro, so if you weren't editing video, etc you could drop to the lower power card, and the 12 MacBook was Aluminium. However, at the WWDC this month they moved the single video card Aluminium MacBook to Pro status changing the game. This is extremely odd for Apple as they now have only a single product named MacBook, and not a range.(Even if the range is only two choices) As such rumor hungry fans believe the only reason the plastic MacBook still exists is because an entirely new product line will be revealed this fall with the MacBook name. Also, if you are buying directly from Apple, don't forget to scroll to the bottom of the Store page and click on Refurbished Mac in the lower left hand corner. Very first option is a Refurbished MacBook 2.0Ghz Core Duo 2 - Plastic (White) 13 inch with 120 GB HD and 2 GB RAM with SuperDrive (DVD Burner) for $749.00 Don't forget, also, to check out LowEndMac (http://www.lowendmac.com) and click the Deals link and check out what a used one is going for as well ($594.99 1.83 Ghz 13 inch with 60 GB HD and 512 MB RAM and Combo Drive) to find the best deal for you. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/66c1a4e8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That changes the picture. Maybe I'll buy one of the MacMinis for me and a MacBook or MacBook Pro (which one?) for my grandson since I haven't bought him a graduation present yet. I'll load Windows on the MacBook along side the Mac OS (if that's possible) and he can use either one. Thanks, Gerry Also, look into Parallels for Mac. Apple has a piece of software called Boot Camp that allows you to dual boot a Windows system on any Intel Mac running Leopard. Parallels allows you to use that installation, or a virtual one, to run Windows programs while in Mac OS X without rebooting. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/54172e65/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com writes: The G4 iBook was a very nice machine, and these two examples will allow you to run Leopard, the last PowerPC version of the Mac OS. If you are going to buy one of these machines just to learn the OS, then one of these would be my recommendation. I run Tiger on my 1Ghz G4 powerbook, I think it will run Leopard but it will probably struggle. There's nothing in Leopard that I really *need* so I've stayed with Tiger. I have Leopard on a newer machine at work, and it's nice, but I really think you need a faster, newer (Intel) Mac to really take advantage of it. Do not, under any circumstances, buy a G3 anything. Agreed, by comparison with anything today it will be slow enough to be annoying. You can run Linux or BSD on it and get some use out of it, but I would not pay for one. If someone gave me one I might play with it. First, the PowerPC (PPC) architecture is well and truly dead. Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6, is Intel only and has absolutely no PPC code left in the system. Most games already are using a series of code that allows Windows games to be quickly ported to the *Intel* version of the Mac OS by using some of the WINE code to compile into the code to make the Windows API specific parts of the game think they are running on a Windows machine. This means that there is already software that simply will not run on any version of the PPC Mac OS, and that will only get worse as new software is written specifically for Snow Leopard. All true, but if you just want to play with Mac OS and see if you might like it enough to invest in a new machine, I think a a couple of hundred dollars for the iBook is not a bad way to go. Even if it's running Tiger, not Leopard. Tiger is still close enough to the current look and feel of Mac OS to allow you to decide if you like it or not. Games? That's just one of those areas I don't give a s*it about and don't know anything about. I'm sure what you say is correct, but if you are not a gamer it's irrelevant. I don't run any purchased software on my Mac other than the OS itself. You can get almost anything from the open source unix world via MacPorts, and there are many other good, free applications that have been ported (e.g. if you need an office suite, you can get OpenOffice). The latest version of Safari is a good browser, but if you want Firefox you can use that, along with Thunderbird email if you don't like Apple's Mail program. Get the iBook, play with it, if you like it enough to want to buy a new Mac you can probably get your money back selling the iBook; it's lost enough of its value already that a few more months won't make much difference. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZTT, it depends on the website you watch video from. HULU, CBS, NBC, and Youtube are all fairly accessible to computers with older video cards. ABC, FOX, and YoutubeHD require a 64MB video card and 1GB system memory. Even at that, it will be choppy if your processor is interrupted by another small process. As streaming video becomes more complex and HD, it will be more of a system hog. Luther LWB250 wrote: Streaming video is a function of bandwidth, not the computer. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$399 is for hte previous generation mini that apple no longer sells. i'm kind of the opinion though that you want to go with the core2duo overall if you plan to use the machine as your main computer. the g4, man, he dead!. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Dan and Gary, Your discussion about the MacMini is interesting. Looked it up at the Apple website and found it's gone up to about $599 but a MacBook is still only $999. Didn't know they were that cheap. Since the guy with the used Macs listed software (10.4 Tiger iLife) with some of the G3 machines and didn't list an OS with the G4s, it looks like I will have to buy an OS for either of the G4s. Looked up OSs that will supposedly work on G4 iBooks and found one OS-X Leopard 10.5.4 for $60 on Ebay. That would raise the price of the G4 iBook to about $300. Either Mac or MS OSs can be used on a new MacBook according to what I read on the Mac website. Might be able to justify that expense since grandson, who is going to college this fall, is always having virus troubles on his families computer which runs Windows. He could use the MacBook this summer in order to see if he can adapt to a Mac. If he can, he could take it with him to college and I could buy a used G4 iBook or another MacBook. If he doesn't like it, he can just give it back to me or put a PC OS on it. In general, maybe buying a new MacBook would let the whole family try a new Mac. Since both Mac and Windows OSs will supposedly work on a MacBook, it seems like that would be the best laptop anyone could buy when you consider their exceptional repair and support record. Looking at the Apple website, I don't see a lot of difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro except a smaller cpu and hard drive. Unless you or Gary know of something I missed about the MacBook, it looks like I've talked myself into ordering either a MacBook or a MacBook Pro. (grin) Thanks, Gerry - From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/95f5e4e1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Many thanks to Gary, Dan, Mitch, Allan, Jim, Ed, Peter, Clay, and Luther. I tentatively planned to get a MacMini from MicroCenter and a MacBook or MacBook Pro for my grandson (I've got to check with him and see what size screen he wants); until I checked the specs on the MacMini and found that it apparently does not have an audio output. I use a headset for audio, so an audio output; ideally a headset jack; would be essential. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433 So, it looks like I'm back to buying a MacBook for me and another for my grandson if he likes it after he has tried mine. Looks like the MacBook has an audio-line-in and audio-line-out port but no headset jack. Don't know if a headset will work with the audio line out port with out an amp, though. The new Dell monitor came with a DVI-D cable but it doesn't look like it's a DVI-mini plug which the MacBook requires. I suppose a standard DVI to DVI-Mini adapter would be all that's needed. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the headphone jack is the audio output. i run mine into crappy homebuilt preamp and cheap chinese power amp and it works fine. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Many thanks to Gary, Dan, Mitch, Allan, Jim, Ed, Peter, Clay, and Luther. I tentatively planned to get a MacMini from MicroCenter and a MacBook or MacBook Pro for my grandson (I've got to check with him and see what size screen he wants); until I checked the specs on the MacMini and found that it apparently does not have an audio output. I use a headset for audio, so an audio output; ideally a headset jack; would be essential. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433 So, it looks like I'm back to buying a MacBook for me and another for my grandson if he likes it after he has tried mine. Looks like the MacBook has an audio-line-in and audio-line-out port but no headset jack. Don't know if a headset will work with the audio line out port with out an amp, though. The new Dell monitor came with a DVI-D cable but it doesn't look like it's a DVI-mini plug which the MacBook requires. I suppose a standard DVI to DVI-Mini adapter would be all that's needed. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/ee561571/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Gary, Think you're right. Should probably get a later model if not a new one. Thanks, Gerry - From: Gary Hurst $399 is for hte previous generation mini that apple no longer sells. i'm kind of the opinion though that you want to go with the core2duo overall if you plan to use the machine as your main computer. the g4, man, he dead!. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Dan and Gary, Your discussion about the MacMini is interesting. Looked it up at the Apple website and found it's gone up to about $599 but a MacBook is still only $999. Didn't know they were that cheap. Since the guy with the used Macs listed software (10.4 Tiger iLife) with some of the G3 machines and didn't list an OS with the G4s, it looks like I will have to buy an OS for either of the G4s. Looked up OSs that will supposedly work on G4 iBooks and found one OS-X Leopard 10.5.4 for $60 on Ebay. That would raise the price of the G4 iBook to about $300. Either Mac or MS OSs can be used on a new MacBook according to what I read on the Mac website. Might be able to justify that expense since grandson, who is going to college this fall, is always having virus troubles on his families computer which runs Windows. He could use the MacBook this summer in order to see if he can adapt to a Mac. If he can, he could take it with him to college and I could buy a used G4 iBook or another MacBook. If he doesn't like it, he can just give it back to me or put a PC OS on it. In general, maybe buying a new MacBook would let the whole family try a new Mac. Since both Mac and Windows OSs will supposedly work on a MacBook, it seems like that would be the best laptop anyone could buy when you consider their exceptional repair and support record. Looking at the Apple website, I don't see a lot of difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro except a smaller cpu and hard drive. Unless you or Gary know of something I missed about the MacBook, it looks like I've talked myself into ordering either a MacBook or a MacBook Pro. (grin) Thanks, Gerry - From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/95f5e4e1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2205 - Release Date: 06/27/09 05:53:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, Gary. Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the headphone jack is the audio output. i run mine into crappy homebuilt preamp and cheap chinese power amp and it works fine. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Many thanks to Gary, Dan, Mitch, Allan, Jim, Ed, Peter, Clay, and Luther. I tentatively planned to get a MacMini from MicroCenter and a MacBook or MacBook Pro for my grandson (I've got to check with him and see what size screen he wants); until I checked the specs on the MacMini and found that it apparently does not have an audio output. I use a headset for audio, so an audio output; ideally a headset jack; would be essential. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264433 So, it looks like I'm back to buying a MacBook for me and another for my grandson if he likes it after he has tried mine. Looks like the MacBook has an audio-line-in and audio-line-out port but no headset jack. Don't know if a headset will work with the audio line out port with out an amp, though. The new Dell monitor came with a DVI-D cable but it doesn't look like it's a DVI-mini plug which the MacBook requires. I suppose a standard DVI to DVI-Mini adapter would be all that's needed. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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just went to the site, you are smoking something, dude. clay On Jun 27, 2009, at 12:09 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: microcenter had hundreds of them if not thousands On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you can get a core 2 duo for 399 brand new in a mini. why get a core solo for the same money? A new Mini is $599 direct from Apple. Where are you buying new Minis for $400? Because if that's true, everyone needs one! EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/6e30c7fe/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/07ea9457/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I run leopard on the desktops, but not the iBook. Just too much monkey shenanigans with that OS for the book to deal with. Were the ibook dual core, I could see leopard, but 10.4 is more than adequate for what I need the laptop to do. clay On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com writes: The G4 iBook was a very nice machine, and these two examples will allow you to run Leopard, the last PowerPC version of the Mac OS. If you are going to buy one of these machines just to learn the OS, then one of these would be my recommendation. I run Tiger on my 1Ghz G4 powerbook, I think it will run Leopard but it will probably struggle. There's nothing in Leopard that I really *need* so I've stayed with Tiger. I have Leopard on a newer machine at work, and it's nice, but I really think you need a faster, newer (Intel) Mac to really take advantage of it. Do not, under any circumstances, buy a G3 anything. Agreed, by comparison with anything today it will be slow enough to be annoying. You can run Linux or BSD on it and get some use out of it, but I would not pay for one. If someone gave me one I might play with it. First, the PowerPC (PPC) architecture is well and truly dead. Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6, is Intel only and has absolutely no PPC code left in the system. Most games already are using a series of code that allows Windows games to be quickly ported to the *Intel* version of the Mac OS by using some of the WINE code to compile into the code to make the Windows API specific parts of the game think they are running on a Windows machine. This means that there is already software that simply will not run on any version of the PPC Mac OS, and that will only get worse as new software is written specifically for Snow Leopard. All true, but if you just want to play with Mac OS and see if you might like it enough to invest in a new machine, I think a a couple of hundred dollars for the iBook is not a bad way to go. Even if it's running Tiger, not Leopard. Tiger is still close enough to the current look and feel of Mac OS to allow you to decide if you like it or not. Games? That's just one of those areas I don't give a s*it about and don't know anything about. I'm sure what you say is correct, but if you are not a gamer it's irrelevant. I don't run any purchased software on my Mac other than the OS itself. You can get almost anything from the open source unix world via MacPorts, and there are many other good, free applications that have been ported (e.g. if you need an office suite, you can get OpenOffice). The latest version of Safari is a good browser, but if you want Firefox you can use that, along with Thunderbird email if you don't like Apple's Mail program. Get the iBook, play with it, if you like it enough to want to buy a new Mac you can probably get your money back selling the iBook; it's lost enough of its value already that a few more months won't make much difference. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Redghost wrote: just went to the site, you are smoking something, dude. If they had 17 remaining last night, why could they not have had 'hundreds' of them a month ago? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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because when your an idiot, you can't make those sorts of leaps of thought. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Redghost wrote: just went to the site, you are smoking something, dude. If they had 17 remaining last night, why could they not have had 'hundreds' of them a month ago? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/d15b98f6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pfff, don't believe what your cable companies tell you. I've got Verizon DSL at 1.5Mb/s and right now I'm watching YouTube (Voltron!) in one window while I type this. The only struggles I ever have with streaming video (Youtube or Hulu) is because I've got an outdated version of Linux which periodically chokes. You can also tell when the kids around the neighborhood get home as the speed drops noticably for a few minutes but once they've checked their email it picks back up... Oh and its $6/month cheaper than the same speed cable modem PLUS Comcast demanded $100 just to turn the cable connection on. -Curt Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:25:59 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m18wjequo8@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The iBooks should work with an external mouse and keyboard, if they are USB. If they are older ones with the little round connectors then no. An external monitor will need a little pigtail to connect the monitor's cable to the mini-DV port on the iBook. Apple store sells them, be sure you get the one for your model. I have a G4 PowerBook 1Ghz and 768M RAM it does streaming video, e.g. YouTube just fine with our cable internet service; can't speak to how it would work on DSL i'd guess it might have a little more chance of being choppy but that really just means you're trying to suck more through of the pipe than it can deliver. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/dd445361/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes: The new Dell monitor came with a DVI-D cable but it doesn't look like it's a DVI-mini plug which the MacBook requires. I suppose a standard DVI to DVI-Mini adapter would be all that's needed. You need to get a mini-DVI to DVI pigtail, they also make a mini-DV to VGA pigtail, also the new MacBooks have a different mini connector than the older iBooks and PowerBooksso, be sure you get the right one. Easiest thing would be to find the one for your specific computer on at the Apple store. It will cost a little more there, but you're more likely to get the one you need. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i've got a sprint air card now and it's not nearly adequate bandwith for me and the kid On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Pfff, don't believe what your cable companies tell you. I've got Verizon DSL at 1.5Mb/s and right now I'm watching YouTube (Voltron!) in one window while I type this. The only struggles I ever have with streaming video (Youtube or Hulu) is because I've got an outdated version of Linux which periodically chokes. You can also tell when the kids around the neighborhood get home as the speed drops noticably for a few minutes but once they've checked their email it picks back up... Oh and its $6/month cheaper than the same speed cable modem PLUS Comcast demanded $100 just to turn the cable connection on. -Curt Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:25:59 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m18wjequo8@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The iBooks should work with an external mouse and keyboard, if they are USB. If they are older ones with the little round connectors then no. An external monitor will need a little pigtail to connect the monitor's cable to the mini-DV port on the iBook. Apple store sells them, be sure you get the one for your model. I have a G4 PowerBook 1Ghz and 768M RAM it does streaming video, e.g. YouTube just fine with our cable internet service; can't speak to how it would work on DSL i'd guess it might have a little more chance of being choppy but that really just means you're trying to suck more through of the pipe than it can deliver. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/dd445361/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/c449ae20/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are other differences on the new MacBook Pro, but all that aside, I believe part of Apple's reasoning behind dropping the Pro product line down a notch was to try and get the old 12 G4 PowerBook users onboard. The 12 G4 PB had a following second to none in the notebook world, and I still know some people who are editing video on them in the field because of the size. I don't get the SD card slot, and I suspect that will eventually disappear. They also did the Mini Display port on the 13, as well as bumped it up to FireWire 800, as opposed to 400. I think this is a not to video folks, too, although the Mini Display port is proprietary and has smart functions to prevent the viewing of media that's without DRM, I believe. I know there was an issue with it when it was first introduced last year, mainly because it prevented the viewing of some content, and Apple never said anything about this change until it was discovered by end users. As for buying a used/refurb, do it from Apple. The only difference between new and a refurb is that the refurb will not have retail packaging - everything else that is included with a new Mac will be there. I have bought many refurbs from Apple, and they are as new, as well as carry a full retail warranty and are eligible for AppleCare (3 year warranty.) As for AppleCare, I wouldn't buy a notebook without it, and if you shop around you can find deals on it on eBay and other places - you have the first year to buy it -- after the initial one year warranty is up, no AppleCare. It gives you dibs on the Genius Bar at the Apple Store and unlimited phone support for three years, so it's money well spent. That being said, I have AppleCare on all my machines, and have never had to use it, other than to replace a notebook battery that died after 100 cycles (They consider anything under 300 cycles warranty for the most part.) MacDan --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Right now the only difference between a MacBook and a MacBook Pro is Aluminium. As of last month the difference was dual video cards in the Pro, so if you weren't editing video, etc you could drop to the lower power card, and the 12 MacBook was Aluminium. However, at the WWDC this month they moved the single video card Aluminium MacBook to Pro status changing the game. This is extremely odd for Apple as they now have only a single product named MacBook, and not a range.(Even if the range is only two choices) As such rumor hungry fans believe the only reason the plastic MacBook still exists is because an entirely new product line will be revealed this fall with the MacBook name. Also, if you are buying directly from Apple, don't forget to scroll to the bottom of the Store page and click on Refurbished Mac in the lower left hand corner. Very first option is a Refurbished MacBook 2.0Ghz Core Duo 2 - Plastic (White) 13 inch with 120 GB HD and 2 GB RAM with SuperDrive (DVD Burner) for $749.00 Don't forget, also, to check out LowEndMac (http://www.lowendmac.com) and click the Deals link and check out what a used one is going for as well ($594.99 1.83 Ghz 13 inch with 60 GB HD and 512 MB RAM and Combo Drive) to find the best deal for you. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/66c1a4e8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - Thanks, Allan. Will do. Gerry From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu The new Dell monitor came with a DVI-D cable but it doesn't look like it's a DVI-mini plug which the MacBook requires. I suppose a standard DVI to DVI-Mini adapter would be all that's needed. You need to get a mini-DVI to DVI pigtail, they also make a mini-DV to VGA pigtail, also the new MacBooks have a different mini connector than the older iBooks and PowerBooksso, be sure you get the right one. Easiest thing would be to find the one for your specific computer on at the Apple store. It will cost a little more there, but you're more likely to get the one you need. Allan 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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sd card slot makes sense to me. sd cards are everywhere. On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:15 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: There are other differences on the new MacBook Pro, but all that aside, I believe part of Apple's reasoning behind dropping the Pro product line down a notch was to try and get the old 12 G4 PowerBook users onboard. The 12 G4 PB had a following second to none in the notebook world, and I still know some people who are editing video on them in the field because of the size. I don't get the SD card slot, and I suspect that will eventually disappear. They also did the Mini Display port on the 13, as well as bumped it up to FireWire 800, as opposed to 400. I think this is a not to video folks, too, although the Mini Display port is proprietary and has smart functions to prevent the viewing of media that's without DRM, I believe. I know there was an issue with it when it was first introduced last year, mainly because it prevented the viewing of some content, and Apple never said anything about this change until it was discovered by end users. As for buying a used/refurb, do it from Apple. The only difference between new and a refurb is that the refurb will not have retail packaging - everything else that is included with a new Mac will be there. I have bought many refurbs from Apple, and they are as new, as well as carry a full retail warranty and are eligible for AppleCare (3 year warranty.) As for AppleCare, I wouldn't buy a notebook without it, and if you shop around you can find deals on it on eBay and other places - you have the first year to buy it -- after the initial one year warranty is up, no AppleCare. It gives you dibs on the Genius Bar at the Apple Store and unlimited phone support for three years, so it's money well spent. That being said, I have AppleCare on all my machines, and have never had to use it, other than to replace a notebook battery that died after 100 cycles (They consider anything under 300 cycles warranty for the most part.) MacDan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090627/d18c7b37/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: The 12 G4 PB had a following second to none in the notebook world, and I still know some people who are editing video on them in the field because of the size. That's what I have -- bought it off CraigsList, and aside from needing a new battery it's been flawless. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks, guys. Ed mentions something about dual video cards being necessary for video editing (below). Since Macs are good for that sort of thing, I had thought about buying a program that will allow retouching of old photos. We have family tintypes and such that are up to 150 years old that I'd like to restore digitally. Would I need dual cards for that sort of thing? My son-in-law would like the video editing feature since he shoots a lot of video. If I got a MacBook with the video editing feature, I could loan the MacBook to him to try. If he liked it he would probably buy a Mac too since video is his main hobby (besides fishing). I just now checked the Apple refurb website and the plastic case MacBook for $749 Ed mentions (see below) that was there this morning is gone; nothing left but aluminum case MacBooks for a higher price, of course. I'll keep checking. Gerry --- From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com There are other differences on the new MacBook Pro, but all that aside, I believe part of Apple's reasoning behind dropping the Pro product line down a notch was to try and get the old 12 G4 PowerBook users onboard. The 12 G4 PB had a following second to none in the notebook world, and I still know some people who are editing video on them in the field because of the size. I don't get the SD card slot, and I suspect that will eventually disappear. They also did the Mini Display port on the 13, as well as bumped it up to FireWire 800, as opposed to 400. I think this is a not to video folks, too, although the Mini Display port is proprietary and has smart functions to prevent the viewing of media that's without DRM, I believe. I know there was an issue with it when it was first introduced last year, mainly because it prevented the viewing of some content, and Apple never said anything about this change until it was discovered by end users. As for buying a used/refurb, do it from Apple. The only difference between new and a refurb is that the refurb will not have retail packaging - everything else that is included with a new Mac will be there. I have bought many refurbs from Apple, and they are as new, as well as carry a full retail warranty and are eligible for AppleCare (3 year warranty.) As for AppleCare, I wouldn't buy a notebook without it, and if you shop around you can find deals on it on eBay and other places - you have the first year to buy it -- after the initial one year warranty is up, no AppleCare. It gives you dibs on the Genius Bar at the Apple Store and unlimited phone support for three years, so it's money well spent. That being said, I have AppleCare on all my machines, and have never had to use it, other than to replace a notebook battery that died after 100 cycles (They consider anything under 300 cycles warranty for the most part.) MacDan --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote: Right now the only difference between a MacBook and a MacBook Pro is Aluminium. As of last month the difference was dual video cards in the Pro, so if you weren't editing video, etc you could drop to the lower power card, and the 12 MacBook was Aluminium. However, at the WWDC this month they moved the single video card Aluminium MacBook to Pro status changing the game. This is extremely odd for Apple as they now have only a single product named MacBook, and not a range.(Even if the range is only two choices) As such rumor hungry fans believe the only reason the plastic MacBook still exists is because an entirely new product line will be revealed this fall with the MacBook name. Also, if you are buying directly from Apple, don't forget to scroll to the bottom of the Store page and click on Refurbished Mac in the lower left hand corner. Very first option is a Refurbished MacBook 2.0Ghz Core Duo 2 - Plastic (White) 13 inch with 120 GB HD and 2 GB RAM with SuperDrive (DVD Burner) for $749.00 Don't forget, also, to check out LowEndMac (http://www.lowendmac.com) and click the Deals link and check out what a used one is going for as well ($594.99 1.83 Ghz 13 inch with 60 GB HD and 512 MB RAM and Combo Drive) to find the best deal for you. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Looks like the MacBook has an audio-line-in and audio-line-out port but no headset jack. Don't know if a headset will work with the audio line out port with out an amp, though. Yeah, I had to buy a USB to Headphone adapter though I seem to remember that was because of the need for a microphone and not having an input for one. I'm pretty sure I have a headphone jack. Edb -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090628/15256cb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:36 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Thanks, guys. Ed mentions something about dual video cards being necessary for video editing (below). Since Macs are good for that sort of thing, I had thought about buying a program that will allow retouching of old photos. We have family tintypes and such that are up to 150 years old that I'd like to restore digitally. Would I need dual cards for that sort of thing? My son-in-law would like the video editing feature since he shoots a lot of video. If I got a MacBook with the video editing feature, I could loan the MacBook to him to try. If he liked it he would probably buy a Mac too since video is his main hobby (besides fishing). You can perform video editing on any of the MacBook line, but with the Pro's that have the Dual Video Card and Snow Leopard including OpenCL for borrowing unused GPU cycles for apps and Grand Central to truly make use of more than one processor, the Pro's with the second, far more power hungry video card, are designed for intensive video editing. As has been noted in earlier posts, however, there are true professionals still using the PowerBook G4 for video editing. So even the MacBook, with it's NVIDIA GPU, is going to give you a good video editing platform. However, the cheaper last year Mini with integrated Intel GMA950 GPU, not so much. The GMA was for office applications and light 3d acceleration. True hard core video editing slows it way down. In fact I have a video app I can't even use on the Mini, though can on a G5, simply because of the video card and not the CPU. So if you are going to want to do a lot of home movie / DV type editing, MacBook. If you are just doing old digital photo / analog scanned photo touch up, you don't need the power of the faster GPU's. I just now checked the Apple refurb website and the plastic case MacBook for $749 Ed mentions (see below) that was there this morning is gone; nothing left but aluminum case MacBooks for a higher price, of course. I'll keep checking. Yeah, that's the trouble with the refurbs. A lot of times they are only a very few in number, and go quick. But if you are patient and on top of it, you can get a great deal. The more you say, the more it seems you'd be much better served with a MacBook, or MacBook Pro and setting it up as a desktop so you have portability when you need it, but the power to deal with large media files on a regular basis. The Mini is great for Internet users and office apps, typing papers, doing research, etc. My wife uses the Mini to play a lot of World of Warcraft, and now that I can't use my video app (BoinxTV,) it looks like I'm going to have to move up to a MacBook myself. Also, on the note of Boinx, I picked it up from a site called MacHeist ( http://www.macheist.com) if you do get a Mac, and love it, I can not recommend MacHeist enough. About once a year they set up a lot of fake websites, and partner with other Mac software providers, then you have to perform logic tasks to track down a spy leaving clues in the system. With each task you complete, you unlock an Application. Then, when everything is said and done, they release the MacHeist Bundle (which you don't have to play their game to purchase.) This year I paid $49 and received iSale, (an eBay app that lets you create an auction locally with a point and click interface, then single click to Go and start the auction on eBay itself) Picturesque, (which you'd probably like, it's a good little photo touch up program) Souschef, (Recipe Database) World of Goo, (Cute little game) PhoneView, (great if you have an iPhone or iPod Touch, let's you manipulate data directly on the device) LittleSnapper, (I admit, haven't used this much, kind of like an iPhoto database app I think) Acorn, (a bit more powerful photo manipulator, editor) Kinemac, (3D Presentation software) WireTap Studio, (This year the bundle was worth this alone, if it is playing on your Mac, WireTap can capture the audio. Ergo, internet radio and streaming music, click, saved) BoinxTV, (Real Time TV Studio, Multiple Camera Input. If you want to produce an internet TV show, you need this app) Delicious Library, (Use your digital camera to snap a shot of an items barcode, then let the Library add it to your database. Great for insurance claims. Here's everything I owned.) Times, (RSS News Reader app) The point is, for the price of most regular software packages, or a good game, I got a bucket load of software. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090628/2a93066c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
[MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090626/acc18b99/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090626/e3bf951e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090626/e3bf951e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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teh connections are usb, so you need an adapter if you want to use ps2 keyboard and/or mouse. any usb mouse and keyboard works i think it was find for streaming video. i just don't remember for sure though. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:49 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090626/e3bf951e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
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Streaming video is a function of bandwidth, not the computer. As for these as entry-level Macs, the two 1.33Mhz iBooks are very nice machines, especially if you load them up with memory, which should be relatively cheap. Not only that, but if video is your thing, these will have the best video cards out of the whole bunch. I could do iMovie as well as FinalCut Express on one of these, so you're in pretty good shape for most consumer level video work you might want to take on. Why is there such a disparity between the price of the two iBooks? Is it cosmetic? Don't mess with the others in the list - they're either underpowered or too old to be adequately supported by current Mac OSs'. As for connections, if you're talking about the notebooks (iBooks) the only Mac-centric thing you might need is an adapter for an external monitor, which can be had new from Apple for $20 and for about half that on eBay. Otherwise, anything (for the most part) in the way of peripherals that would work on a PC with a USB port will work on the Mac, such as external keyboards, mice, hard drives, flash drives, etc. I would ask what OS version is on them as well...not much good without an OS installed. If you have any other questions drop me a note. The 1.33Mhz iBooks were very good machines, quite robust, and will do just about anything a current Intel based machine will do for the typical user. I have some old copies of iLife and iWork you can have if you want them. That will give you a pretty full complement of apps. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:49 PM I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB
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see, there you have it, straight from the guru himself. so you say the ibooks will run like a desktop to external video with external keyboard and mouse inputs? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Streaming video is a function of bandwidth, not the computer. As for these as entry-level Macs, the two 1.33Mhz iBooks are very nice machines, especially if you load them up with memory, which should be relatively cheap. Not only that, but if video is your thing, these will have the best video cards out of the whole bunch. I could do iMovie as well as FinalCut Express on one of these, so you're in pretty good shape for most consumer level video work you might want to take on. Why is there such a disparity between the price of the two iBooks? Is it cosmetic? Don't mess with the others in the list - they're either underpowered or too old to be adequately supported by current Mac OSs'. As for connections, if you're talking about the notebooks (iBooks) the only Mac-centric thing you might need is an adapter for an external monitor, which can be had new from Apple for $20 and for about half that on eBay. Otherwise, anything (for the most part) in the way of peripherals that would work on a PC with a USB port will work on the Mac, such as external keyboards, mice, hard drives, flash drives, etc. I would ask what OS version is on them as well...not much good without an OS installed. If you have any other questions drop me a note. The 1.33Mhz iBooks were very good machines, quite robust, and will do just about anything a current Intel based machine will do for the typical user. I have some old copies of iLife and iWork you can have if you want them. That will give you a pretty full complement of apps. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:49 PM I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi
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Sure. A lot of people use their notebooks that way. Personally I don't see the point, but if you only have once computer and want to have a bigger display, external keyboard, etc., all you have to do is plug them in. I also believe that there is a setting that allows you to run the machine with the lid down while doing this, too, but I would have to do a little research to verify that. There is some geeky term to describe this type of operation, but I don't recall what it is MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:52 PM see, there you have it, straight from the guru himself. so you say the ibooks will run like a desktop to external video with external keyboard and mouse inputs? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Streaming video is a function of bandwidth, not the computer. As for these as entry-level Macs, the two 1.33Mhz iBooks are very nice machines, especially if you load them up with memory, which should be relatively cheap. Not only that, but if video is your thing, these will have the best video cards out of the whole bunch. I could do iMovie as well as FinalCut Express on one of these, so you're in pretty good shape for most consumer level video work you might want to take on. Why is there such a disparity between the price of the two iBooks? Is it cosmetic? Don't mess with the others in the list - they're either underpowered or too old to be adequately supported by current Mac OSs'. As for connections, if you're talking about the notebooks (iBooks) the only Mac-centric thing you might need is an adapter for an external monitor, which can be had new from Apple for $20 and for about half that on eBay. Otherwise, anything (for the most part) in the way of peripherals that would work on a PC with a USB port will work on the Mac, such as external keyboards, mice, hard drives, flash drives, etc. I would ask what OS version is on them as well...not much good without an OS installed. If you have any other questions drop me a note. The 1.33Mhz iBooks were very good machines, quite robust, and will do just about anything a current Intel based machine will do for the typical user. I have some old copies of iLife and iWork you can have if you want them. That will give you a pretty full complement of apps. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:49 PM I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i
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archer wrote: I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Ever since CPUs were measured in Ghz instead of Mhz, glitches in video streaming are usually from throughput on the source when watched from the internet. My 400 Mhz Cyrex CPU and slow motherboard integrated video had some minor problems with watching video, the 2.66Ghz Intel Celeron (crippled Pentium 4) that replaced it could simultaneously record and play (timeshift a TV show) at up to DVD Long Play resolution, but if I recorded at full standard DVD rates I had to disable timeshift. (I like to start watching a one hour TV show 10-20 minutes after it begins, and skip commercials as I watch. That way I finish watching about time the broadcast is finished.) my new 2.5Ghz AMD dual core can do any play/record functions I might want, but encoding and burning a DVD in Vista DVD Maker takes a couple of hours. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and how about the notebooks vs the new intel mac minis you can get for 399? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure. A lot of people use their notebooks that way. Personally I don't see the point, but if you only have once computer and want to have a bigger display, external keyboard, etc., all you have to do is plug them in. I also believe that there is a setting that allows you to run the machine with the lid down while doing this, too, but I would have to do a little research to verify that. There is some geeky term to describe this type of operation, but I don't recall what it is MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:52 PM see, there you have it, straight from the guru himself. so you say the ibooks will run like a desktop to external video with external keyboard and mouse inputs? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Streaming video is a function of bandwidth, not the computer. As for these as entry-level Macs, the two 1.33Mhz iBooks are very nice machines, especially if you load them up with memory, which should be relatively cheap. Not only that, but if video is your thing, these will have the best video cards out of the whole bunch. I could do iMovie as well as FinalCut Express on one of these, so you're in pretty good shape for most consumer level video work you might want to take on. Why is there such a disparity between the price of the two iBooks? Is it cosmetic? Don't mess with the others in the list - they're either underpowered or too old to be adequately supported by current Mac OSs'. As for connections, if you're talking about the notebooks (iBooks) the only Mac-centric thing you might need is an adapter for an external monitor, which can be had new from Apple for $20 and for about half that on eBay. Otherwise, anything (for the most part) in the way of peripherals that would work on a PC with a USB port will work on the Mac, such as external keyboards, mice, hard drives, flash drives, etc. I would ask what OS version is on them as well...not much good without an OS installed. If you have any other questions drop me a note. The 1.33Mhz iBooks were very good machines, quite robust, and will do just about anything a current Intel based machine will do for the typical user. I have some old copies of iLife and iWork you can have if you want them. That will give you a pretty full complement of apps. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:49 PM I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry
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I think the mini is really a niche product, myself, just like the AppleTV. While they are very popular, by the time you load one up with any sort of options (most of which cannot be field or user installed) you're within a few hundred bucks of a MacBook, especially with the price drops they've recently initiated. Most of the people I know who have Mac minis use them as media servers for running iTunes, video, gaming and Internet access through their TVs. For a basic desktop machine that only requires you to buy a monitor of some sort, they are a very good deal, especially when you consider the cost as well as the software that's already bundled on them as a part of the OS. If you tried to move towards the high end of the (mini) product line, I don't really see the value. The only thing I could think of is if you have really limited space or want to do some sort of custom desktop install. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:56 PM and how about the notebooks vs the new intel mac minis you can get for 399? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Sure. A lot of people use their notebooks that way. Personally I don't see the point, but if you only have once computer and want to have a bigger display, external keyboard, etc., all you have to do is plug them in. I also believe that there is a setting that allows you to run the machine with the lid down while doing this, too, but I would have to do a little research to verify that. There is some geeky term to describe this type of operation, but I don't recall what it is MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 9:52 PM see, there you have it, straight from the guru himself. so you say the ibooks will run like a desktop to external video with external keyboard and mouse inputs? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:49 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Streaming video is a function of bandwidth, not the computer. As for these as entry-level Macs, the two 1.33Mhz iBooks are very nice machines, especially if you load them up with memory, which should be relatively cheap. Not only that, but if video is your thing, these will have the best video cards out of the whole bunch. I could do iMovie as well as FinalCut Express on one of these, so you're in pretty good shape for most consumer level video work you might want to take on. Why is there such a disparity between the price of the two iBooks? Is it cosmetic? Don't mess with the others in the list - they're either underpowered or too old to be adequately supported by current Mac OSs'. As for connections, if you're talking about the notebooks (iBooks) the only Mac-centric thing you might need is an adapter for an external monitor, which can be had new from Apple for $20 and for about half that on eBay. Otherwise, anything (for the most part) in the way of peripherals that would work on a PC with a USB port will work on the Mac, such as external keyboards, mice, hard drives, flash drives, etc. I would ask what OS version is on them as well...not much good without an OS installed. If you have any other questions drop me a note. The 1.33Mhz iBooks were very good machines, quite robust, and will do just about anything a current Intel based machine will do for the typical user. I have some old copies of iLife and iWork you can have if you want them. That will give you a pretty full complement of apps. MacDan --- On Fri, 6/26/09, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 8:49 PM I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC
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The iBooks should work with an external mouse and keyboard, if they are USB. If they are older ones with the little round connectors then no. An external monitor will need a little pigtail to connect the monitor's cable to the mini-DV port on the iBook. Apple store sells them, be sure you get the one for your model. I have a G4 PowerBook 1Ghz and 768M RAM it does streaming video, e.g. YouTube just fine with our cable internet service; can't speak to how it would work on DSL i'd guess it might have a little more chance of being choppy but that really just means you're trying to suck more through of the pipe than it can deliver. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The iBooks should work with an external mouse and keyboard, if they are USB. If they are older ones with the little round connectors then no. People forget that the i-Everything was post-ADB, post-SCSI, and after firewire came along. If the CPU's faster than about 300 MHz, in other words. Our 400 MHz pismo has a little trouble with youtube, but will play a DVD just fine, much bigger and with a faster frame rate. So it's a bit on the edge. Anything faster will probably be just fine. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Standard USB for KB and Mouse. Get the 1.33 G4 iBook and it has bluetooth, wireless KB and Mouse then. Will also synch with your phone if need be. Can swap wallpapers, music, ringtones that way or synch contacts and appointments clay On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:49 PM, archer wrote: I just meant streaming video that would work without a lot of pauses. Both the PC laptop with 1.5 gigs and the desktop with 2.4 gigs do streaming video well with very few interruptions. Don't really have to have streaming video on this machine since this first cheap Apple computer is just to see if I can learn how to operate an Apple and get used to it. If it works out I'll go ahead and buy a later model Apple with an Intel chip that will handle PC stuff too. Found the connections on the net which look pretty much like PC connections, but not sure if the computers require an Apple keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. When I repaired some back in the early '90s for some docs, I remember that they did have to have their own mice, parts, etc. I'll wait for Penoff as you suggest just to be sure. The guy who sells them might also have used kbs, mice, and monitors if they're required. Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com by do video, what you mean exactly? as in how well will streaming video work or as a video editing tool and sending stuff around the internet? for the former, i don't know, but my guess is that it would work to some degree that could be adequate and i'd say yes to the latter. i'm not sure what kind of connects an ibook has. you can look all the up online or wait for penoff to read this as he seems to know all this stuff off the top of his head On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:42 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Will the ones you suggested do video from a DSL line (broadband)? Also, can I plug a Dell keyboard, mouse, and monitor into the laptops? Thanks, Gerry --- From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com the quicksilver for $100 if you never need portability. if you ever need portability, one of those g4 ibooks. i was using a g4 that was a generation previous to the quicksilver until i finished upgrading everything to core2duo about a month ago. i was using pismos and a Pentium 4 for laptops until i got my core2 dell a year ago. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer wrote: Daughters neighbor has a recycle business. He has the following Apples for sale and I'm going to buy one and see if its possible to shake the PC habit. Will want to use the laptops as a desktop with a keyboard, a new Dell monitor, a mouse, and a printer plugged into it if that's possible. ISP is DSL. All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi - $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED --- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW --- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090626/e3bf951e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT: Which Apple should I buy?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: All advice on which one an Apple newby should buy will be greatly appreciated. Gerry Gerry, I'm going to wade into this discussion and take the Devil's Advocate position. In the spirit of full disclosure, I do own Apple stock, and generally prefer Mac OS X over all other operating systems. That being said: == $235 A43 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi -- $125 A172 APPLE iBOOK G4 A1055 1.33GHz 512MB 60GB DVD WiFi -- The G4 iBook was a very nice machine, and these two examples will allow you to run Leopard, the last PowerPC version of the Mac OS. If you are going to buy one of these machines just to learn the OS, then one of these would be my recommendation. -- $150 A26 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $175 A139 APPLE iBOOK G3 A1007 900MHz 256MB 40GB DVD WiFi -- $100 A65 APPLE iBook A1005 G3 700MHz 256MB 20GB CD LAPTOP MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE AIRPORT CARD INSTALLED -- $100 A34 APPLE iBOOK 600MHz 640MB 40GB DVD CD-RW WiFi M6497 30 DAY DOA WARRANTY - MAC OS 10.4 TIGER iLIFE INSTALLED -- Do not, under any circumstances, buy a G3 anything. -- $100 (DESKTOP) SM1 APPLE QUICKSILVER POWER MAC G4 800MHZ 768MB CD-RW -- This machine will not officially run Leopard. You will have to learn how to force Leopard onto this system, and as such may become frustrated. With that being said, personally, I wouldn't offer any of these machines to a first time Apple buyer for several reasons without knowing specifically what you want to use a Mac to do. So I will make some assumptions and attempt to talk you forward based on that. First, the PowerPC (PPC) architecture is well and truly dead. Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6, is Intel only and has absolutely no PPC code left in the system. Most games already are using a series of code that allows Windows games to be quickly ported to the *Intel* version of the Mac OS by using some of the WINE code to compile into the code to make the Windows API specific parts of the game think they are running on a Windows machine. This means that there is already software that simply will not run on any version of the PPC Mac OS, and that will only get worse as new software is written specifically for Snow Leopard. Second, out of all of the choices offered above the best ones are the G4 iBooks. These iBooks were introduced in 2004, and as such are already 5 years old technologically. The video processing (which is important for the video you mention) is only 32 MB in an ATI 9200 Radeon chip on the high end. Can you perform video functions with this chipset? Yes. Will it be fluid? Depends on what you are watching. YouTube regular video? Probably ok. YouTube HD video? Really pushing it. Hulu, CBS, ABC, etc? Depends on bit rate and resolution. Basically, bandwidth is important to get the data to you, however, it's still up to the video processor to decode and display that information. Third, while I am confident you will love the Mac OS if given an open and honest chance. There is always that learning curve for new ideology. Meaning, if you have Windows so ingrained that you just can't get your mind to wrap around how the Mac OS does things, you'll always feel like it's mocking you. Making you angry. With a PPC Mac, you are stuck with the Mac OS, or PPC Linux/BSD. Reference the First point and you increase the probability that this machine will sit unused. Fourth, while $235 will not buy you even a Core Solo (Intel) Mac Mini, when you can find them $399 will. In fact Power Max ( http://www.powermax.com/parts/show/c-u66060) has one in stock right now. 1.5 Ghz Core Solo, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB hard drive and 64 MB Video RAM with the Intel GMA950 integrated graphics system. Also not a powerhouse video card, but better at video decoding than the ATI. $599 will get you a Core Duo iMac with integrated 17 LCD monitor. $595 will also get you a 1st Generation Core Duo MacBook as well, if a laptop is truly important to you. What does your $164 (for the Core Solo Mini) in difference get you? Peace of Mind Insurance. The Intel Macs can run Windows. In fact several PC magazines say the best Windows PC to buy is a Mac. So if the Third point comes to pass that you just have to have Windows, you can remove the Mac OS and install Windows and chalk it up as a bad exercise. It also buys you the chance to use Snow Leopard (though in the case of the Core Solo, not at full strength. Snow really loves multiple core/multiple processors) which will be out in Sept, and will keep your Mac current for the next generation, thereby also allowing you to have less
