Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer

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2013-09-02 Thread clay
Came out in late May. clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM,

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
wow. is it a daewoo motor? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Came out in late May. clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread clay
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: wow. is it a daewoo motor? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Came out in late May. clay

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond
: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID:     CABHyH=ZSYRWhR_EvfSAzDprhDAJr=kba1xdaebn0jwkm+at...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Aug 31, 2013

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2013-09-02 Thread mlh
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb with a four cylinder diesel in it? I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what

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2013-09-02 Thread Gerry Archer
Uh, oh. No thanks. Gerry Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to be refilled at least every 10,000

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2013-09-02 Thread mlh
Looks like a 55 gallon drum of 'diesel exhaust fluid' is about $150-200. Mitch. Uh, oh. No thanks. Gerry Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. That urea fluid, which helps put the

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
the weight is an outrage On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, m...@voyager.net wrote: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb with a four

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2013-09-02 Thread OK Don
LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread OK Don
I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

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2013-09-02 Thread OK Don
Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond
few problems overall. -Curt Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:29:55 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 70cee899-12f9-4bb6-9096-4f2f99367...@comcast.net Content-Type: text

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 93E2EB9D2D1946EA8FAB07C62561573F@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;     reply-type=original Uh, oh.  No thanks. Gerry Snip.Compared

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 70cee899-12f9-4bb6-9096-4f2f99367...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Make sure the VW is NEW. Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people at dealerships steer clear of them. clay

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
i don't understand :( On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

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2013-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond
locks, power seats, stereo, satnav, etc it all adds up... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 11:13:02 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID:     CACioK3vXYdp

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2013-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond
dimples into them... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID:     caciok3smgnkasj_mgshaod_ut6upbyaygnv_xpuybwza7hx...@mail.gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: caciok3smgnkasj_mgshaod_ut6upbyaygnv_xpuybwza7hx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201 being the worst car in MB history and the W124

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2013-09-02 Thread OK Don
LOL = Laughing out loud. Humor. In short supply recently. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i don't understand :( On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst

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2013-09-02 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm always, funny, don. not just funny looking On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:35 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL = Laughing out loud. Humor. In short supply recently. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i don't understand :( On Mon, Sep 2,

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, the little guy was kinda funny-lookin'. In what way? I dunno... just funny-lookin'. Can you be any more specific? --R On 9/2/13 2:39 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i'm always, funny, don. not just funny looking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-02 Thread Curt Raymond
of '80s cars I see are (in declining order) Mercedes, Volvo and Volkswagen. Considering how cheaply made the VWs were its amazing... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:05:14 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car

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2013-09-02 Thread clay
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: caciok3smgnkasj_mgshaod_ut6upbyaygnv_xpuybwza7hx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 way back in the day when we first met there was a lot

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-01 Thread Gerry Archer
On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the

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2013-09-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Gerry Archer wrote: I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on

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2013-09-01 Thread OK Don
The Passat is now at 13,300 miles and the average over that time is 44mpg, with a one time high of 53. Wife gets about 33mpg dirving around town in it. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up,

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-01 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Gerry Archer wrote: I agree completely since my son has a hybrid

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-01 Thread clay
Make sure the VW is NEW. Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people at dealerships steer clear of them. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:58 PM, OK Don wrote: OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-09-01 Thread clay
Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car.

[MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread Curt Raymond
I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller

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2013-08-31 Thread Gerry Archer
Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Coldest air conditioning? Also, what's a SanGauge? Internet turns up nothing related to car repair. Gerry

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2013-08-31 Thread Rick Knoble
On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New or used? Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread Curt Raymond
but although the AC works on my 190D I rarely use it, I can handle the heat just fine... -Curt Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:07:36 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE;  New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID

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2013-08-31 Thread Gerry Archer
On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New or used? G: New. Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread Gerry Archer
On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the

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2013-08-31 Thread rickknoble
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2013-08-31 Thread OK Don
OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for me

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2013-08-31 Thread WILTON
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite

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2013-08-31 Thread OK Don
IIRC, there are at least three different seat options (that come with the different trim levels) - should be one that will work for you. We have the middle one - electric drivers seat, manual passengers seat. FYI, we bought a set of Oregon Aero seat cushions for the 182 - they make a HUGE

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread Gerry Archer
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Best is a very relative concept. I like the Jetta/Passat. A gasser of either will run in the $18-20k range, the TDI Jetta starts around $23k with the Passat about $3k more. G: Those are good prices. My in-laws have a Fusion, I think theirs is a

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread Gerry Archer
I'll do that next time I'm in Ocala which is the closest dealer. Hopefully his prices are better than the local dealers. I've read a lot of good things about the Passat and nothing bad. I drove a Mercedes C class loaner from the dealer and wasn't impressed either; especially with the ride.

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2013-08-31 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the

Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

2013-08-31 Thread clay
My take on really good car for long trips would be an S series benz. I drove to Colorado and back this past July 4th week. Covered 1250 miles in 22 hours, all in one sitting. No sore butt, cold air and other than having to stay awake, not too tired after the trip. Got back home to Seattle in