Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Yeah, they’re all pretty close together as far as design and operation. Miller buzz boxes are some of the simplest electrical devices you could ever imagine. The really cool ones were the old Lincoln MG (motor generator) sets. Pretty much indestructible, but very popular with the pipeline and tank building folks. Dan > On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Whoops, that of course should have said "Hobart". > They all make about the same thing now I think. The Hobart was exactly like > the Miller I'd used previously, same knobs, same settings. I set it up the > way I'd been taught to do the Miller and it worked the same. > I've a young cousin who's a certified welder, he's a Miller man, went to > their school... > > > > -Curt > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Okie Benz > Cc: Dan Penoff > Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts > > Hobart. > > Long time name in the industrial welding business, not far behind Miller and > Lincoln. > > Dan who used to rebuild Miller 400A “buzz boxes” in his after school job. > > > > >> On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've never used a small 220v machine,I took a class where we had nice Miller >> 220v machines and I've used I think it was a Hobard 220v machine and didn't >> see much advantage over my 110v unit. I'd love to have a bigger machine with >> a longer duty cycle but in the end mine is adequate for the work I've asked >> of it. Someday when I'm made of money ;) >> -Curt >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Whoops, that of course should have said "Hobart". They all make about the same thing now I think. The Hobart was exactly like the Miller I'd used previously, same knobs, same settings. I set it up the way I'd been taught to do the Miller and it worked the same. I've a young cousin who's a certified welder, he's a Miller man, went to their school... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Okie Benz Cc: Dan Penoff Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts Hobart. Long time name in the industrial welding business, not far behind Miller and Lincoln. Dan who used to rebuild Miller 400A “buzz boxes” in his after school job. > On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've never used a small 220v machine,I took a class where we had nice Miller > 220v machines and I've used I think it was a Hobard 220v machine and didn't > see much advantage over my 110v unit. I'd love to have a bigger machine with > a longer duty cycle but in the end mine is adequate for the work I've asked > of it. Someday when I'm made of money ;) > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Hobart. Long time name in the industrial welding business, not far behind Miller and Lincoln. Dan who used to rebuild Miller 400A “buzz boxes” in his after school job. > On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've never used a small 220v machine,I took a class where we had nice Miller > 220v machines and I've used I think it was a Hobard 220v machine and didn't > see much advantage over my 110v unit. I'd love to have a bigger machine with > a longer duty cycle but in the end mine is adequate for the work I've asked > of it. Someday when I'm made of money ;) > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I've never used a small 220v machine,I took a class where we had nice Miller 220v machines and I've used I think it was a Hobard 220v machine and didn't see much advantage over my 110v unit. I'd love to have a bigger machine with a longer duty cycle but in the end mine is adequate for the work I've asked of it. Someday when I'm made of money ;) -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dimitri Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts I didn't know that about 110V machines. My welder is 110 and I make perfect butt welds on sheet metal but now I'm interested in trying a 220 machine. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2015, at 2:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? > > You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have > larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the > welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he > will always be "behind the curve" a little. > > On thicker material, it won't be so apparent.. as you go to thin sheet > metal that "lead / lag" in arc stability and weld puddle temp becomes more > critical.. > > Yes, you can blame it on "the machine" in that instance. It will preform > more acceptably using the spot weld tecnique than trying to run a continous > bead because the shorter heat cycle will be more within it's capabilities. > > Adapt and Overcome... > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage >> unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. >> If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having >> invested little in the attempt >> >> clay >> >> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I >> promise! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes >> wrote: >>>> >>>> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >> through it. >>>> >>>> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to >> feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage >> speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get >> a good bead >>>> >>>> clay >>>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>>>> clay wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >>>>>> getting a bunch of blow through. >>>>> >>>>> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >>>>> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >>>>> HF wire is junk. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Using a shit welder will make you give up on welding. Spend $600 on a real welder and make good welds from day one. Been there done that. Trust me. Sent from my iPhone The Master has spoken! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I didn't know that about 110V machines. My welder is 110 and I make perfect butt welds on sheet metal but now I'm interested in trying a 220 machine. Sent from my iPhone Nicest welder I have ever used was a huge old motor (electric) generator generating DC to weld with. I t weighed literally close to a ton. With 6010 rods, it was terrific welding. Some of the 70xx rods I was adequate with but I loved the 6010s with that motor gen. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
See, I am still on the upward curve clay On Jun 6, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > You mean tack welds. Spot welds are made by a dedicated spot welder. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 6, 2015, at 3:31 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> It is the crap 90 amp 115v cheapo unit. I want to get comfortable with it >> making beads, but intend to mostly spot weld the panels for the floor. With >> enough spots, I figure I can then do mini beads to link them. >> >> >> clay >> >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 6, 2015, at 11:06 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? >>> >>> You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have >>> larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the >>> welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he >>> will always be "behind the curve" a little. >>> >>> On thicker material, it won't be so apparent.. as you go to thin sheet >>> metal that "lead / lag" in arc stability and weld puddle temp becomes more >>> critical.. >>> >>> Yes, you can blame it on "the machine" in that instance. It will preform >>> more acceptably using the spot weld tecnique than trying to run a continous >>> bead because the shorter heat cycle will be more within it's capabilities. >>> >>> Adapt and Overcome... >>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM, clay via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having invested little in the attempt clay > On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > > Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn through it. >> >> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good bead >> >> clay >> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> clay wrote: I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. >>> >>> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >>> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >>> HF wire is junk. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change deliv
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I didn't know that about 110V machines. My welder is 110 and I make perfect butt welds on sheet metal but now I'm interested in trying a 220 machine. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2015, at 2:06 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? > > You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have > larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the > welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he > will always be "behind the curve" a little. > > On thicker material, it won't be so apparent.. as you go to thin sheet > metal that "lead / lag" in arc stability and weld puddle temp becomes more > critical.. > > Yes, you can blame it on "the machine" in that instance. It will preform > more acceptably using the spot weld tecnique than trying to run a continous > bead because the shorter heat cycle will be more within it's capabilities. > > Adapt and Overcome... > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage >> unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. >> If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having >> invested little in the attempt >> >> clay >> >> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I >> promise! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes >> wrote: The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >> through it. setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to >> feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage >> speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get >> a good bead clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> clay wrote: >> >> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >> getting a bunch of blow through. > > Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set > the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The > HF wire is junk. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
You mean tack welds. Spot welds are made by a dedicated spot welder. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2015, at 3:31 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > It is the crap 90 amp 115v cheapo unit. I want to get comfortable with it > making beads, but intend to mostly spot weld the panels for the floor. With > enough spots, I figure I can then do mini beads to link them. > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > >> On Jun 6, 2015, at 11:06 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >> >> I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? >> >> You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have >> larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the >> welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he >> will always be "behind the curve" a little. >> >> On thicker material, it won't be so apparent.. as you go to thin sheet >> metal that "lead / lag" in arc stability and weld puddle temp becomes more >> critical.. >> >> Yes, you can blame it on "the machine" in that instance. It will preform >> more acceptably using the spot weld tecnique than trying to run a continous >> bead because the shorter heat cycle will be more within it's capabilities. >> >> Adapt and Overcome... >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM, clay via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage >>> unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. >>> If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having >>> invested little in the attempt >>> >>> clay >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I >>> promise! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes >>> wrote: > > The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >>> through it. > > setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to >>> feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage >>> speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get >>> a good bead > > clay > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > >>> clay wrote: >>> >>> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >>> getting a bunch of blow through. >> >> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >> HF wire is junk. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
It is the crap 90 amp 115v cheapo unit. I want to get comfortable with it making beads, but intend to mostly spot weld the panels for the floor. With enough spots, I figure I can then do mini beads to link them. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 6, 2015, at 11:06 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? > > You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have > larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the > welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he > will always be "behind the curve" a little. > > On thicker material, it won't be so apparent.. as you go to thin sheet > metal that "lead / lag" in arc stability and weld puddle temp becomes more > critical.. > > Yes, you can blame it on "the machine" in that instance. It will preform > more acceptably using the spot weld tecnique than trying to run a continous > bead because the shorter heat cycle will be more within it's capabilities. > > Adapt and Overcome... > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage >> unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. >> If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having >> invested little in the attempt >> >> clay >> >> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I >> promise! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes >> wrote: The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >> through it. setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to >> feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage >> speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get >> a good bead clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> clay wrote: >> >> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >> getting a bunch of blow through. > > Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set > the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The > HF wire is junk. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I don't recall you saying. Is the welder you got 110 volt.. or 220 volt? You will find 110 volt wire feeds struggle to hold a stable arc thus have larger variation in the weld puddle temp and size.. With experience, the welder can adjust his handling of the weld to compensate.. some.. but he will always be "behind the curve" a little. On thicker material, it won't be so apparent.. as you go to thin sheet metal that "lead / lag" in arc stability and weld puddle temp becomes more critical.. Yes, you can blame it on "the machine" in that instance. It will preform more acceptably using the spot weld tecnique than trying to run a continous bead because the shorter heat cycle will be more within it's capabilities. Adapt and Overcome... On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:53 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage > unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. > If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having > invested little in the attempt > > clay > > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > > > Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I > promise! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> > >> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn > through it. > >> > >> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to > feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage > speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get > a good bead > >> > >> clay > >> > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > >> > clay wrote: > > I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was > getting a bunch of blow through. > >>> > >>> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set > >>> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The > >>> HF wire is junk. > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Don't waste your time on anything but clean metal. Not 'til you have some experience, anyway. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Using a shit welder will make you give up on welding. Spend $600 on a real welder and make good welds from day one. Been there done that. Trust me. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2015, at 12:53 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage unit, > I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. If I can > not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having invested > little in the attempt > > clay > > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: >> >> Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I >> promise! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >>> through it. >>> >>> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as >>> slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. >>> Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good >>> bead >>> >>> clay >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >>> > clay wrote: > > I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was > getting a bunch of blow through. Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The HF wire is junk. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I have all of 40 minutes into the training as of this moment. I expect to have a few more hours and bits of metal under my belt by the end of next week. If I am still making welds that look like something you find in a diaper, I will re-evaluate my competence. clay On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 09:53:53 -0700 clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage >> unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future >> projects. If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on >> welding, having invested little in the attempt > > But if the garbage unit and wire are what is causing you to make welds > that do not look and perform well enough, you would have given up on > welding needlessly. > > A spool of good wire is not that expensive ... > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 09:53:53 -0700 clay via Mercedes wrote: > If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage > unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future > projects. If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on > welding, having invested little in the attempt But if the garbage unit and wire are what is causing you to make welds that do not look and perform well enough, you would have given up on welding needlessly. A spool of good wire is not that expensive ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I got a really nice Carhart jacket for $2 at goodwill. Heavy denim that the gloves fit well over. There was also a nice heavy cotton child's blanket from back in the day. I will be stitching two layers of fiberglass to it so I have a welding blanket. Maybe use it as a bib if I am welding at waist level. clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I would imagine the HF unit is basically a Chinese copy of my Lincoln > HandyMig. Mine has provision for shielding gas but I've never set it up, the > bottle would be decidedly un-handy, I'd need a cart for the thing, blah > blah.I think I paid $250 or so for mine and its been worth the money. I burn > through about 5# of wire a year. I've also been lucky to have some time on > multi-thousand dollar Miller machines with shielding gas and while those are > fantastic I'm not dissatisfied with my machine.The trick is that I tend to > end up using much more wire speed than I think I need and counter-intuitively > sheet metal usually requires more wire speed. When welding heavier stuff I > end up using the same wire speed or a little less, I turn the heat up and > just move slower which gives the penetration needed. This was hard for me to > learn after I'd taught myself how to do sheet metal. > Theres definitely an art to it and since I haven't welded in 3 or 4 months I > know the next time I try it'll take me an hour or so to get the feel back. I > find for me moving the torch in little circles is the key to preventing burn > through. I generally push the puddle although I've had some success dragging > it, mostly when welding upside down like on a car floor. > Remember that the coating on the wire will absorb water. A new spool of wire > is so nice which is why I only buy 5# at a time. My machine will handle a 20# > spool but it'd be gross by the time I got to the end. I *think* you could dry > it back out if you put it in a box with an incandescent bulb for a couple > hours but I've yet to try it... > After I burned (and scarred) the inside of my elbow last fall Angie bought me > a welding shirt that has leather arms. Its not the height of fashion buts > nice to have that safety. > > -Curt > From: Dimitri via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Dimitri > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts > > Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >> through it. >> >> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as >> slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. >> Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good >> bead >> >> clay >> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> >>>> clay wrote: >>>> >>>> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >>>> getting a bunch of blow through. >>> >>> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >>> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >>> HF wire is junk. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I am outside and will set up a fan to assist in moving toxins clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Not just sick.. but dead. .. welding galvanized metal in an enclosed space > will kill you. > The antidote, however is to drink milk... being lactose intollerent isn't > going to help you there.. ha.. > > Remove the victim to fresh air quickly and vent the area of toxic gases. Of > course. > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I'm not a welder, but I understand that welding galvanised steel produces >> fumes that can make you sick? >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> '87 300TD >> '95 E300 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
The attempt yesterday was on uncleaned metal. The disk brake was much better, as it was only rusty, which I brushed off. I will use a grinder or wire wheel to clean up future training attempts. clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > PC boxes are most likely clad with galvanize material. Galvanizing requires > the base metal be coated with Zinc compounds which can and WILL contaminate > your weld, thus welds that look like bird droppings. The job of rod flux is > to carry away the contaminates in the weld puddle, but the flux core wire > from China doesn't have enough volume of flux to combat zinc contamination > of the weld puddle.. in fact.. if you were using gas, you would have to > crank up the flow rate to over come it. > > The fact that you are having splatter and slag issues should have keyed me > to tell you the zinc boiling off is likely the cause. I overlooked that.. > my apology. > > Try a welding a piece of the same material you have dressed with a grinding > wheel to clean steel.. see if it doesn't give you a much better weld. I > will lay bets it does. > > Go to your local steel supplier and pick up some end cut scraps for > practice, in MILD STEEL only.. then run a few passes.. look at the > difference.. you should see immediate good results.. even with crappy > Chinese flux wire from Harbor Fright. > > A good part of welding is knowing the metalurgy of the metal you are > joining.. and how it affects the weld. > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I >> promise! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >> through it. >>> >>> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed >> as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage >> speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get >> a good bead >>> >>> clay >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >>> > clay wrote: > > I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was > getting a bunch of blow through. Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The HF wire is junk. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
If I can make welds that look and perform well enough with this garbage unit, I will move up to a real gas shielded product for future projects. If I can not keep from producing crap, I will give up on welding, having invested little in the attempt clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn >> through it. >> >> setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as >> slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. >> Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good >> bead >> >> clay >> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> clay wrote: I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. >>> >>> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >>> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >>> HF wire is junk. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Grant, I agree that theres a coating there, I'm not sure its always galvanizing though. I suspect its similar though and reacts similarly. I've gotten in the habit of cleaning 1/4" around the sheet metal I'm using when I weld. I like leaving most of the stuff on, it doesn't burn off too bad other than right where I'm welding and it doesn't seem to rust. My next step is to buy a bigger grinder. I'm going to get a 5" with the thinner grip. I don't know what its called other than its not the paddle grip my 4 1/2" Makita has, that one makes my hands tired quick. -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: G Mann Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts PC boxes are most likely clad with galvanize material. Galvanizing requires the base metal be coated with Zinc compounds which can and WILL contaminate your weld, thus welds that look like bird droppings. The job of rod flux is to carry away the contaminates in the weld puddle, but the flux core wire from China doesn't have enough volume of flux to combat zinc contamination of the weld puddle.. in fact.. if you were using gas, you would have to crank up the flow rate to over come it. The fact that you are having splatter and slag issues should have keyed me to tell you the zinc boiling off is likely the cause. I overlooked that.. my apology. Try a welding a piece of the same material you have dressed with a grinding wheel to clean steel.. see if it doesn't give you a much better weld. I will lay bets it does. Go to your local steel supplier and pick up some end cut scraps for practice, in MILD STEEL only.. then run a few passes.. look at the difference.. you should see immediate good results.. even with crappy Chinese flux wire from Harbor Fright. A good part of welding is knowing the metalurgy of the metal you are joining.. and how it affects the weld. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I would imagine the HF unit is basically a Chinese copy of my Lincoln HandyMig. Mine has provision for shielding gas but I've never set it up, the bottle would be decidedly un-handy, I'd need a cart for the thing, blah blah.I think I paid $250 or so for mine and its been worth the money. I burn through about 5# of wire a year. I've also been lucky to have some time on multi-thousand dollar Miller machines with shielding gas and while those are fantastic I'm not dissatisfied with my machine.The trick is that I tend to end up using much more wire speed than I think I need and counter-intuitively sheet metal usually requires more wire speed. When welding heavier stuff I end up using the same wire speed or a little less, I turn the heat up and just move slower which gives the penetration needed. This was hard for me to learn after I'd taught myself how to do sheet metal. Theres definitely an art to it and since I haven't welded in 3 or 4 months I know the next time I try it'll take me an hour or so to get the feel back. I find for me moving the torch in little circles is the key to preventing burn through. I generally push the puddle although I've had some success dragging it, mostly when welding upside down like on a car floor. Remember that the coating on the wire will absorb water. A new spool of wire is so nice which is why I only buy 5# at a time. My machine will handle a 20# spool but it'd be gross by the time I got to the end. I *think* you could dry it back out if you put it in a box with an incandescent bulb for a couple hours but I've yet to try it... After I burned (and scarred) the inside of my elbow last fall Angie bought me a welding shirt that has leather arms. Its not the height of fashion buts nice to have that safety. -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dimitri Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn > through it. > > setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as > slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. > Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good bead > > clay > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > >>> clay wrote: >>> >>> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >>> getting a bunch of blow through. >> >> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >> HF wire is junk. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Not just sick.. but dead. .. welding galvanized metal in an enclosed space will kill you. The antidote, however is to drink milk... being lactose intollerent isn't going to help you there.. ha.. Remove the victim to fresh air quickly and vent the area of toxic gases. Of course. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'm not a welder, but I understand that welding galvanised steel produces > fumes that can make you sick? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Yes. Always grind off the galvanized area to clean metal before welding. If one really wants a clean weld, the area to be welded should be free from dirt, grease, paint and rust including the back side of the metal. Some people go as far as to wipe clean with denatured alcohol. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'm not a welder, but I understand that welding galvanised steel produces > fumes that can make you sick? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I'm not a welder, but I understand that welding galvanised steel produces fumes that can make you sick? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
PC boxes are most likely clad with galvanize material. Galvanizing requires the base metal be coated with Zinc compounds which can and WILL contaminate your weld, thus welds that look like bird droppings. The job of rod flux is to carry away the contaminates in the weld puddle, but the flux core wire from China doesn't have enough volume of flux to combat zinc contamination of the weld puddle.. in fact.. if you were using gas, you would have to crank up the flow rate to over come it. The fact that you are having splatter and slag issues should have keyed me to tell you the zinc boiling off is likely the cause. I overlooked that.. my apology. Try a welding a piece of the same material you have dressed with a grinding wheel to clean steel.. see if it doesn't give you a much better weld. I will lay bets it does. Go to your local steel supplier and pick up some end cut scraps for practice, in MILD STEEL only.. then run a few passes.. look at the difference.. you should see immediate good results.. even with crappy Chinese flux wire from Harbor Fright. A good part of welding is knowing the metalurgy of the metal you are joining.. and how it affects the weld. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote: > Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I > promise! > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn > through it. > > > > setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed > as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage > speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get > a good bead > > > > clay > > > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > > >>> clay wrote: > >>> > >>> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was > >>> getting a bunch of blow through. > >> > >> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set > >> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The > >> HF wire is junk. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Unless you use shielding gas you will be unhappy with your results. I promise! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:33 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn > through it. > > setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as > slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. > Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good bead > > clay > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > >>> clay wrote: >>> >>> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >>> getting a bunch of blow through. >> >> Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set >> the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The >> HF wire is junk. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
The wire is garbage, but it came free with the welder. May as well burn through it. setting up feed speed is hit and miss for now. It does not want to feed as slowly as the graph inside says I need it. There are two amperage speeds. Lots and not that much. I could not get much speed or heat to get a good bead clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:12 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> clay wrote: >> >> I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was >> getting a bunch of blow through. > > Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set > the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The > HF wire is junk. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I am going to play with this thing all next week. I figured the HF garbage flux core welder would be less expensive than a class with 30 other monkeys. If I get a really good handle on welding, then I would find a real welder at a pawn shop. Doing the floor pan repairs on the HF unit will probably kill it. Making the roll cage would require something by Lincoln. clay On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:32 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > The only time welders wear pants with a cuff is the first day on the job. > > Any questions? haha.. > > Wire feed welders should not make a lot of slag if set correctly. If it is > a flux core wire welder, it will make slag, if it is a gas envelope welder, > hardly any sparks.. much nicer welds also. Worth the extra money in my > opinion. > > Key element is getting the wire speed and heat setting correct for the > thickness of metal you are welding.. play with them until you can lay down > a nice even weld with good penetration but no burn through. Speed of the > weld pass is the "human factor" that has to come with practice. > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> My brother-in-law had the hot slag in the boot issue one time. Just >> putting the pantleg over the boot does not prevent the problem if the slag >> burns through the pantleg which is what happened with him. >> Either lace up the top of the boot so it cannot get into the boot or else >> loosen the boot so that you can easily kick it off. >> >> He was welding an exhaust under a car on a hoist and he is quite tall so >> he was bent a bit at the knees. The slag dropped onto his leg, burned a >> hole through his pants and then fell into his boot top. He of course, shook >> his let and the slag went deeper into his boot and burned his foot before >> he could get his boot off. He was off work for several days. He learned a >> good lesson as that must be close to 20 years ago and he has not had it >> happen since that I know of. >> >> RB >> >> On 05/06/2015 2:10 PM, Gerry Archer via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good >>> wire from a regular welding supply dealer? >>> Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop >>> of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild >>> dancing and serious burns. Don't ask me how I know. >>> Gerry >>> >>> Randy Bennell wrote: >>> >>> Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well get it now! RB On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to > learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the > instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on > safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. > > I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a > welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, > but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. > So far it works fairly well. > > I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I > am versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I > learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of > my > head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was > getting > a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to > get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and > after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. > > I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from > setting myself on fire. > > > clay > > > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
I am headed to the Goodwill outlet store to see what non-fashionable items I can repurpose to welding wear. The clothing sells by the pound. I found all manner of good stuff there for hunting and should come across busted leathers or other fire resistant items. I picked up some really nice welding gloves a few months ago. Long neck and smooth fingers. Nomex interior. The auto dark mask I got does not provide coverage between the front of the skull and the face shield. Bright sunshine glowing off my forehead sort of defeats the ability to see the bead being formed. Maybe I can get a clorox bottle riveted to the top clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > My brother-in-law had the hot slag in the boot issue one time. Just putting > the pantleg over the boot does not prevent the problem if the slag burns > through the pantleg which is what happened with him. > Either lace up the top of the boot so it cannot get into the boot or else > loosen the boot so that you can easily kick it off. > > He was welding an exhaust under a car on a hoist and he is quite tall so he > was bent a bit at the knees. The slag dropped onto his leg, burned a hole > through his pants and then fell into his boot top. He of course, shook his > let and the slag went deeper into his boot and burned his foot before he > could get his boot off. He was off work for several days. He learned a good > lesson as that must be close to 20 years ago and he has not had it happen > since that I know of. > > RB > > On 05/06/2015 2:10 PM, Gerry Archer via Mercedes wrote: >> Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good wire >> from a regular welding supply dealer? >> Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop of >> liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild dancing >> and serious burns. Don't ask me how I know. >> Gerry >> >> Randy Bennell wrote: >> >>> Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well >>> get it now! >>> >>> RB >>> >>> On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. So far it works fairly well. I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
> clay wrote: > > I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was > getting a bunch of blow through. Thin sheet metal and gasless wirefeed is pretty tough. Set the wire feed and amperage low. And get some good wire. The HF wire is junk. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good wire from a regular welding supply dealer? Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild dancing and serious burns. Don't ask me how I know. Gerry Good point, but my jeans and bibs are long enough to touch the LEATHER shoe/boot. You don't want plastic shoes either... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
The only time welders wear pants with a cuff is the first day on the job. Any questions? haha.. Wire feed welders should not make a lot of slag if set correctly. If it is a flux core wire welder, it will make slag, if it is a gas envelope welder, hardly any sparks.. much nicer welds also. Worth the extra money in my opinion. Key element is getting the wire speed and heat setting correct for the thickness of metal you are welding.. play with them until you can lay down a nice even weld with good penetration but no burn through. Speed of the weld pass is the "human factor" that has to come with practice. On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My brother-in-law had the hot slag in the boot issue one time. Just > putting the pantleg over the boot does not prevent the problem if the slag > burns through the pantleg which is what happened with him. > Either lace up the top of the boot so it cannot get into the boot or else > loosen the boot so that you can easily kick it off. > > He was welding an exhaust under a car on a hoist and he is quite tall so > he was bent a bit at the knees. The slag dropped onto his leg, burned a > hole through his pants and then fell into his boot top. He of course, shook > his let and the slag went deeper into his boot and burned his foot before > he could get his boot off. He was off work for several days. He learned a > good lesson as that must be close to 20 years ago and he has not had it > happen since that I know of. > > RB > > On 05/06/2015 2:10 PM, Gerry Archer via Mercedes wrote: > >> Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good >> wire from a regular welding supply dealer? >> Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop >> of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild >> dancing and serious burns. Don't ask me how I know. >> Gerry >> >> Randy Bennell wrote: >> >> Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well >>> get it now! >>> >>> RB >>> >>> On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >>> I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. So far it works fairly well. I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay Cotton. No synthetics. I often weld in a tshirt and jeans. Nothing special. A long sleeve Wrangler cotton denim shirt is good too, if it is cool enough. mine has no holes in it, but I don't weld much anymore. I sold my John Deere stick welder on fleaby because i figured out I'll never have enough money to collect John Deeres. got a little century FCAW welder to weld sheet metal. I never wear a cap unless I am trying to weld overhead, and I try to avoid that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
My brother-in-law had the hot slag in the boot issue one time. Just putting the pantleg over the boot does not prevent the problem if the slag burns through the pantleg which is what happened with him. Either lace up the top of the boot so it cannot get into the boot or else loosen the boot so that you can easily kick it off. He was welding an exhaust under a car on a hoist and he is quite tall so he was bent a bit at the knees. The slag dropped onto his leg, burned a hole through his pants and then fell into his boot top. He of course, shook his let and the slag went deeper into his boot and burned his foot before he could get his boot off. He was off work for several days. He learned a good lesson as that must be close to 20 years ago and he has not had it happen since that I know of. RB On 05/06/2015 2:10 PM, Gerry Archer via Mercedes wrote: Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good wire from a regular welding supply dealer? Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild dancing and serious burns. Don't ask me how I know. Gerry Randy Bennell wrote: Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well get it now! RB On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. So far it works fairly well. I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Welcome to the cult of vulcan. Put the hat on backwards, getto style to keep sparks from flying down your collar. Wear welders gloves with long cuffs, and wear at least a denium jacket to protect yourself from slag and UV flash. You can get badly sunburned while welding if your skin is exposed. Eyes can be sunburned as well.. doing perm damage if bad enough. If you are getting burn through, your heat setting is to high, and your wire feed speed is to low, and perhaps your pass speed is to slow. Look for the weld puddle, color and size, that is where the actual weld happens. Think of it as pouring liquid metal into the crack and moving the "pour" along the crack seam. Stay to long with to much heat, and not enouch metal, it "pours" through the crack. Practice, practice, practice.. use scrap and learn. For sheet metal patch repair.. a lap joint will serve you better than a butt weld. I use 1/4 inch punch holes in the repair piece edge, 1/16th inch clecos to clamp the piece in place at every other hole, then do a "spot weld" at the 1/4 inch punch hole, pull the clecos one or two at a time and weld the rest of the panel in place. Hammer and dolly to flatten the panel edges into the base metal. Space the "spot welds" as you see fit. If you feel you need more weld than the spot welds, then weld the seam with the repair panel now held in place by the spots. Makes the work much easier and quicker. Cardboard will be your friend to make patterns for the repair panels. Cut out the bad portions, use round corners, I like to use a baby food can to make corners in a repair panel.. sharp 90 degree corners will always crack out and are hard to hold in place. Hold the cardboard in place from the bottom and mark the hole with a sharpie, then add 1/2 inch at the edge for a lap joint all the way around. Harbor Freight sells a nifty tool that will make a joggle offset for a lapjoint.. it is a double duty tool because one side makes the joggle offset, the other side punches 1/4 inch holes for spot welds.. it runs on air, so you need an air compressor.. a small one will work good enough. Measure twice, cut once, then hammer form the patch to fit the hole repair. When it's just right, the lap joint lip will let you set the panel in place from the inside, and it will lay in place supported by the lap joint overlap. You will likely need to then do some more hammer and dolly work to make the "lap" lay flat against the original panel. When it's all fitted THEN use the joggle feature around the edge of the patch panel and trial fit again. Once you are happy with that, while it's laying in place, use your sharpie again to layout the "spot welds" and punch the 1/4 in holes in the patch panel. Lay it back in place and put your sharpie to work again by making a dot in the center of each of those 1/4 in holes to drill holes for the Clecos clamps. THEN.. clamp the "New" panel in place for welding. Spot welding with a wire feed gun is simple.. aim the wire at the center of the spot, drop hood, pull trigger, make a small circle to pour liquid metal into the hole [visual image here] and back off to let it cool. Move to next hole. What you are doing, is putting a 1/4 inch bolt in each hole, in effect. I like to work the panel repair from side to side so the weld doesn't draw the panel out of position.. tack one side.. then the other.. to work around the whole contact area. Then pull the CLecos and do the same with those holes.. don't worry, the weld will fill the 1/16 cleco hole just fine.. Keep a hammer and dolly handy to flatten the welds while they are still cooling after each weld. it will give a much nicer finish.. ie.. weld, hammer, weld, hammer.. etc etc etc.. When you have had enough fun..you should replenish your lost body fluids with the adult beverage of choice... ;)) Hope this helps, Grant... On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:28 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to > learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the > instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on > safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. > > I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a > welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, > but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. > So far it works fairly well. > > I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am > versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I > learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my > head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting > a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to > get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and > after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. > > I will be looking for a
Re: [MBZ] Slag hurts
Didn't someone (Curt?) say tht HF wire was no good and we must buy good wire from a regular welding supply dealer? Also, he should be sure pants legs go down over shoe or boot tops. A drop of liquid steel down in the shoe is a common event that can cause wild dancing and serious burns. Don't ask me how I know. Gerry Randy Bennell wrote: > > Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well > get it now! > > RB > > On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn > > on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions > > to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on safety, but > > not on actually how to run the rig. > > > > I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a welding > > table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, but the > > manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. So far it > > works fairly well. > > > > I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am > > versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I > > learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my > > head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting > > a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to > > get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and > > after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. > > > > I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from > > setting myself on fire. > > > > > > clay > > > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Gerry Archer ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nomex underwear is required for the racetrack anyway so you may as well get it now! RB On 05/06/2015 1:28 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. So far it works fairly well. I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Slag hurts
I hit the HF tool sale and got myself a low end gasless MIG welder to learn on. Wire feed and the cheapo auto darkening mask. I read the instructions to see what this thing can do. Those instructions are big on safety, but not on actually how to run the rig. I went to the hardware store to get a hardi panel so I could have a welding table. There were too many metal or wooden tables for me to use, but the manual was pretty adamant that I have concrete to set things on. So far it works fairly well. I have a few old computer cases that donated their covers for the day I am versed in welding enough to repair the floors in the 300D. Today, I learned that I need a hat to keep the slag from jumping onto the back of my head. I could not get a decent bead using the PC carcasses and was getting a bunch of blow through. I moved up to old brake rotors and was able to get a decent enough bead, but it still looks like crap. Sun was out and after 40 minutes or getting a hang for the machine, I had to head inside. I will be looking for a better set of welding wear so I can keep from setting myself on fire. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
