Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Came out in late May. clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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wow. is it a daewoo motor? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Came out in late May. clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: wow. is it a daewoo motor? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Came out in late May. clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was under the impression that the Dart was smaller, more like the Focus than the Fusion. I see a few of them around, more than the Chevy Volt... I agree Chrysler still seems to be run by bunglers that can't seem to get their act together. -Curt Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:39:03 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: CABHyH=ZSYRWhR_EvfSAzDprhDAJr=kba1xdaebn0jwkm+at...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb with a four cylinder diesel in it? I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what would happen if you stuck the Cruze diesel in an old z-24. I bet it'd go 0-60 in a lot less than 8 seconds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Uh, oh. No thanks. Gerry Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to be refilled at least every 10,000 miles.snip http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/07/2014-chevy-cruze-diesel-arrives-with-42-mpg-for-25-695/ From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wow. is it a daewoo motor? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Came out in late May. clay On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: there is a diesel chevy cruze??? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Looks like a 55 gallon drum of 'diesel exhaust fluid' is about $150-200. Mitch. Uh, oh. No thanks. Gerry Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to be refilled at least every 10,000 miles.snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the weight is an outrage On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, m...@voyager.net wrote: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb with a four cylinder diesel in it? I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what would happen if you stuck the Cruze diesel in an old z-24. I bet it'd go 0-60 in a lot less than 8 seconds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less likely to keep up with that maintenance. A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall. -Curt Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:29:55 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 70cee899-12f9-4bb6-9096-4f2f99367...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Make sure the VW is NEW. Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people at dealerships steer clear of them. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you're anti-urea you're anti-diesel. The Jetta/Golf TDI is the LAST diesel without urea in the US. Passat has it and gets slightly better mileage because the Jetta/Golf actually sprays extra fuel through the system to burn out the filters in a system known as regeneration which is one reason pushing me toward the Passat instead of the Jetta. Some people report negative experiences driving during regeneration. I suspect my driving style (run 'em hard) will make it not such a big problem. -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 08:58:16 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 93E2EB9D2D1946EA8FAB07C62561573F@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Uh, oh. No thanks. Gerry Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to be refilled at least every 10,000 miles.snip http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/07/2014-chevy-cruze-diesel-arrives-with-42-mpg-for-25-695/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201 being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124 as it was further down the food chain. i believe this still to be true i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great. i lamented how unreliable and short lived they were. he agreed, explaining that he thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has 680k miles on it you keep em up, they last a while On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less likely to keep up with that maintenance. A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall. -Curt Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:29:55 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 70cee899-12f9-4bb6-9096-4f2f99367...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Make sure the VW is NEW. Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people at dealerships steer clear of them. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i don't understand :( On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The price of safety today. Once you put in door reinforcement, roof reinforcement, multiple airbags, NSA snoopers, backup camera, engine management system, air management system, thought management system, bladder management system, AC, traction control, power steering, power brakes, power door locks, power seats, stereo, satnav, etc it all adds up... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 11:13:02 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: CACioK3vXYdp=jje1yg9j0eruqb6ji7y4j-q6+rtkpd11xhv...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the weight is an outrage On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, m...@voyager.net wrote: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review euro engine in a world car So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb with a four cylinder diesel in it? I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what would happen if you stuck the Cruze diesel in an old z-24. I bet it'd go 0-60 in a lot less than 8 seconds. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners. More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I tend to poke dimples into them... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: caciok3smgnkasj_mgshaod_ut6upbyaygnv_xpuybwza7hx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201 being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124 as it was further down the food chain. i believe this still to be true i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great. i lamented how unreliable and short lived they were. he agreed, explaining that he thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has 680k miles on it you keep em up, they last a while On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less likely to keep up with that maintenance. A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yes, it is far less substantial than the 124 but a very similar car sharing many parts. it ought not be substantially less durable and reliable than a 124 yet is/was maligned and, i contend. largely misjudged i also have a certain fondness for the 2.6 version as a straight six rear drive subcompact is a configuration i cannot help but love On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners. More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I tend to poke dimples into them... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: caciok3smgnkasj_mgshaod_ut6upbyaygnv_xpuybwza7hx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201 being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124 as it was further down the food chain. i believe this still to be true i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great. i lamented how unreliable and short lived they were. he agreed, explaining that he thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has 680k miles on it you keep em up, they last a while On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less likely to keep up with that maintenance. A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LOL = Laughing out loud. Humor. In short supply recently. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i don't understand :( On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
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i'm always, funny, don. not just funny looking On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:35 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL = Laughing out loud. Humor. In short supply recently. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i don't understand :( On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Again, LOL!!! On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you are saying i might be overweight myself? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know, I was referring to the pot calling the kettle black aspect of weight issues - went right over your head :-) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i said that. 3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones. i think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: LOL, WHO siad that??? Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126? On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: the weight is an outrage -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain,
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Well, the little guy was kinda funny-lookin'. In what way? I dunno... just funny-lookin'. Can you be any more specific? --R On 9/2/13 2:39 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i'm always, funny, don. not just funny looking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Durability is one of those things... Those of us on this list are clearly freaks in that we don't really consider 20 year old cars to be old or worn out. I'm going to buy a '98 Jetta on Thursday which will actually be the newest car (not counting the Ranger, thats a truck) I've ever owned. My wife's grandmother thinks I'm crazy. I contend that this is probably the last $1500 car I'll buy. Since we've refinanced the house I've socked away a bunch of money and the Jetta is just to get me transportation to get through saving for a new (or only slightly used) car sometime next year or the year after. The 123 was probably overbuilt, in that its durability way exceeded that which most car owners would ever need. The 124 is less overbuilt than the 123 but more refined and more pleasant to live with, easier starting in extreme cold for instance. The 201 was a less expensive 124, no less refined but definitely cheaper built. It'd be silly to expect 124 build quality out of it as it was a cheaper car. Still almost 30 years later we really can't doubt the durability. What other '80s cars do you still see on the road? Actually to answer my own question, the largest numbers of '80s cars I see are (in declining order) Mercedes, Volvo and Volkswagen. Considering how cheaply made the VWs were its amazing... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:05:14 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: CACioK3tyKY1zj40Lt=_O0CnR28x0YG8zN3uxB=0vlm4phkn...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, it is far less substantial than the 124 but a very similar car sharing many parts. it ought not be substantially less durable and reliable than a 124 yet is/was maligned and, i contend. largely misjudged i also have a certain fondness for the 2.6 version as a straight six rear drive subcompact is a configuration i cannot help but love On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners. More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I tend to poke dimples into them... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The lack of care comes from being the lowest rung on the ladder. It is an aspirational car that was not as well appointed as its larger siblings, and therefore driven a bit harder, loved a bit less, and owned by a few folks that did not feel they measured up enough, the next car would suit them better. Same troubles the current C class cars dealing with. They are baby benz, for those not quite ready for prime time Real Benz ownership, so they get abused. I do not feel that they are a lesser vehicle, but others just do not give them the love they need, so they wear out. No sooner than any other Benz, just not seen as worthy of being kept up, the way the owner of a E or S class is willing to make that investment. The 114/115 was the standard persons benz of the 1970's. If you had real cash, you sprang for a w116. If you had a car and needed a toy, you splurge on a R107. Mom and Dad, Grandma, drove the 240D, Wallstreet exec drove the S, and Richard Gere prostituted himself in a 450SL. The 240D was kept for a very long time before meeting another owner most of the time. The SL may or may not have hung around. The S was used for a few years then traded in for another lease car to feed the businessman's ego. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: yes, it is far less substantial than the 124 but a very similar car sharing many parts. it ought not be substantially less durable and reliable than a 124 yet is/was maligned and, i contend. largely misjudged i also have a certain fondness for the 2.6 version as a straight six rear drive subcompact is a configuration i cannot help but love On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners. More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I tend to poke dimples into them... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: caciok3smgnkasj_mgshaod_ut6upbyaygnv_xpuybwza7hx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201 being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124 as it was further down the food chain. i believe this still to be true i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great. i lamented how unreliable and short lived they were. he agreed, explaining that he thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has 680k miles on it you keep em up, they last a while On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less likely to keep up with that maintenance. A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex That sounds like a very possible scenario. It's a shame, too, since Chrysler has built some exceptional cars in the past. I had a Plymouth and a Dodge with those nearly unbreakeable slant sixes hooked to 747 transmissions. Tuned up, and with careful driving, they would get 25 mpg. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry Archer wrote: I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up, most tanks are over 40mpg now, I think he's at about 38mpg since he bought it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Passat is now at 13,300 miles and the average over that time is 44mpg, with a one time high of 53. Wife gets about 33mpg dirving around town in it. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up, most tanks are over 40mpg now, I think he's at about 38mpg since he bought it. Mitch. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Gerry Archer wrote: I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up, most tanks are over 40mpg now, I think he's at about 38mpg since he bought it. Mitch. That's good to know. I've had friends who loved Nissans and got many miles and many years out of them. I'll have to check those out. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Make sure the VW is NEW. Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people at dealerships steer clear of them. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:58 PM, OK Don wrote: OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for me at least). I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I was shopping a couple of years ago. The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at 102F. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and easily gets 30mpg on the highway. Alex I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe the diesel Cruze. I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage. clay On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was $25 or $30... Everybody says you can't work on cars anymore which is ever so much bunk. Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench. -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:22:11 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 4358D89CC73B456293E2FF9CE93C0BF4@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What's the aftermarket parts situation on Japanese cars, Gary? Which model has the largest installed base? Camry? Accord? Civic? One disturbing factor about new and initially less troublesome cars is the cost of the electronic modules that seem to run everything; engine, transmission, etc., etc. If cheaper aftermarket modules were available for when the car gets a few years older, I'd probably buy a new, trouble free car primarily for the purpose of making out-of-county trips. These old Mercedes are great locally, but a breakdown on a long trip could get very expensive with days in a motel. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Coldest air conditioning? Also, what's a SanGauge? Internet turns up nothing related to car repair. Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was $25 or $30... Everybody says you can't work on cars anymore which is ever so much bunk. Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench. -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:22:11 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 4358D89CC73B456293E2FF9CE93C0BF4@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What's the aftermarket parts situation on Japanese cars, Gary? Which model has the largest installed base? Camry? Accord? Civic? One disturbing factor about new and initially less troublesome cars is the cost of the electronic modules that seem to run everything; engine, transmission, etc., etc. If cheaper aftermarket modules were available for when the car gets a few years older, I'd probably buy a new, trouble free car primarily for the purpose of making out-of-county trips. These old Mercedes are great locally, but a breakdown on a long trip could get very expensive with days in a motel. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6125 - Release Date: 08/30/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New or used? Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. Coldest air conditioning? No clue. Also, what's a SanGauge? Internet turns up nothing related to car repair Maybe he meant scangauge? OBD2 reader? http://www.scangauge.com/ Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and easily gets 30mpg on the highway. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Best is a very relative concept. I like the Jetta/Passat. A gasser of either will run in the $18-20k range, the TDI Jetta starts around $23k with the Passat about $3k more. My in-laws have a Fusion, I think theirs is a 2008. Its a very good toaster of a car. Boring as all get out but gets you from here to there. If I were wanting toaster transportation I'd probably go with that, for a bit more driving excitement a Jetta/Passat with preference to the TDI. I'm not a good judge of air-conditioning, we so rarely need it. The last couple days commuting its been relatively warm but although the AC works on my 190D I rarely use it, I can handle the heat just fine... -Curt Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:07:36 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 4D9CB6EFEF814E8AA5241AC31963D7FA@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Coldest air conditioning? Also, what's a SanGauge? Internet turns up nothing related to car repair. Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was $25 or $30... Everybody says you can't work on cars anymore which is ever so much bunk. Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New or used? G: New. Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Coldest air conditioning? No clue. Also, what's a SanGauge? Internet turns up nothing related to car repair Maybe he meant scangauge? OBD2 reader? http://www.scangauge.com/ Rick Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and easily gets 30mpg on the highway. Alex I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry wrote; I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry Not likely to find what you are looking for. 2007 or 2008 MB E320 CDI might come close... Rick Knoble Sent from My Samsung tablet Original message From Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com Date: 08/31/2013 8:29 PM (GMT-06:00) To Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car null ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for me at least). I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I was shopping a couple of years ago. The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at 102F. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and easily gets 30mpg on the highway. Alex I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Hate to admit it, but I may hafta do that, too. First thing I'll hafta do is get that seat a little higher and more MB-like upright than the too-laid-back one former DIL was looking at. 'Haven't seen the one she bought. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for me at least). I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I was shopping a couple of years ago. The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at 102F. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and easily gets 30mpg on the highway. Alex I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC, there are at least three different seat options (that come with the different trim levels) - should be one that will work for you. We have the middle one - electric drivers seat, manual passengers seat. FYI, we bought a set of Oregon Aero seat cushions for the 182 - they make a HUGE difference in comfort. Wife won't fly without hers now. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:10 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Hate to admit it, but I may hafta do that, too. First thing I'll hafta do is get that seat a little higher and more MB-like upright than the too-laid-back one former DIL was looking at. 'Haven't seen the one she bought. Wilton -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Best is a very relative concept. I like the Jetta/Passat. A gasser of either will run in the $18-20k range, the TDI Jetta starts around $23k with the Passat about $3k more. G: Those are good prices. My in-laws have a Fusion, I think theirs is a 2008. Its a very good toaster of a car. Boring as all get out but gets you from here to there. If I were wanting toaster transportation I'd probably go with that, for a bit more driving excitement a Jetta/Passat with preference to the TDI. G: As I mentioned in another email, my son has a Fusion Hybrid, but you can't touch one for $25K around here. That would be a great choice since it's a good solid car that rides well and has comfortable seats. My son averaged 37 mpg between Nashville and Orlando driving 80 mph. I'm not a good judge of air-conditioning, we so rarely need it. The last couple days commuting its been relatively warm but although the AC works on my 190D I rarely use it, I can handle the heat just fine... -Curt G: The Fusion Hybrid A/C could have frozen us out on a 200 mile trip we made. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll do that next time I'm in Ocala which is the closest dealer. Hopefully his prices are better than the local dealers. I've read a lot of good things about the Passat and nothing bad. I drove a Mercedes C class loaner from the dealer and wasn't impressed either; especially with the ride. Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for me at least). I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I was shopping a couple of years ago. The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at 102F. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? New? Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good climate control. Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and easily gets 30mpg on the highway. Alex I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion. Problem is that I'm looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town. Hybrid Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend. Corollas, which are selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and hopefully safer. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6127 - Release Date: 08/31/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Moot point on a new car. G: Not if you keep them for 30 years. (grin) Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart. It's a worthy competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be around in five years. I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand Cherokee?). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My take on really good car for long trips would be an S series benz. I drove to Colorado and back this past July 4th week. Covered 1250 miles in 22 hours, all in one sitting. No sore butt, cold air and other than having to stay awake, not too tired after the trip. Got back home to Seattle in 18.79 hours, same route. This was in the 2002 S430. The #1 boy got his 92 300SE back in shape, so it is road worthy. That thing has ICE cold air. A major surprise to me in how quickly nipples become glass cutters in that thing. Comfortable seats that would be great for long trips as well. For a 20 year old car, the passengers must have been tiny chinese dames, as there is no wear on the leather and seats are pretty close to factory plumpness and spring. YMMV, but the benz seems to hold up well if treated relatively well. Quality between the w140 and the w220 is noticeable. Far less oriental cheapness in the older model. Both cars came in well under $20k. Both would be a really nice #2 condition at sale. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Okay, you convinced me. What's the best riding, best seated car for long trips that can be bought for around $25K or less? Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts? Coldest air conditioning? Also, what's a SanGauge? Internet turns up nothing related to car repair. Gerry From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was $25 or $30... Everybody says you can't work on cars anymore which is ever so much bunk. Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench. -Curt Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:22:11 -0400 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car Message-ID: 4358D89CC73B456293E2FF9CE93C0BF4@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What's the aftermarket parts situation on Japanese cars, Gary? Which model has the largest installed base? Camry? Accord? Civic? One disturbing factor about new and initially less troublesome cars is the cost of the electronic modules that seem to run everything; engine, transmission, etc., etc. If cheaper aftermarket modules were available for when the car gets a few years older, I'd probably buy a new, trouble free car primarily for the purpose of making out-of-county trips. These old Mercedes are great locally, but a breakdown on a long trip could get very expensive with days in a motel. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6125 - Release Date: 08/30/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
