Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Not many people can afford 5 billion dollar car. What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement station, the old battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you drive away in 30-40 seconds without ever having left your car? Seems pretty terrific to me for a car with a 200 mile

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
. -Curt From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Cc: Scott Ritchey Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery.  Some of the earliest cars were elect

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
But will probably never gain approval for production because people are irrationally scared of nuke plants. -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: fmiser Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord > Curly wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
clay > via Mercedes > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: clay > Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord > > But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars. I doubt any > of the current crop of plug in greenie we

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yeah, a pipe dream. On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Curly wrote: > > > > If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could > > move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they > > are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, > > and c

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curly wrote: > > If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could > move up the list. The problem with nuke now is that they > are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate, > and contribute to terrorist concerns. As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars. I doubt any of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought after. Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the way kids did 40 years ago with a VW Bug. clay 2002 s430 - Vic

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small. ;<) Having not flown across that area in several years and not driven across it in 40+, it's easy to forget. Wilton That is big country, and John Cannon is a Big man ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search l

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
And get another ATTABOY. Wilton - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "G Mann" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord Curt, All true, I did take a little artist

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
t;G Mann" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord <<<<< And how far is that Starbucks? ;<) Wilton >>>>> snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Vo

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2015-06-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
If I live in my city apartment, never walk on dirt, only take a subway [electric of course] to work, and march in "Green Earth Day Parade" I don't have to acknowledge those nasty things exist... unless I'm carrying the protest sign that day.. "Go Green, Be Clean"... you know.. Reality is so harsh.

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Coal is hardly "relatively...clean". Where do you get such a wacky notion? And "inexpensive" only if you value clean air, water, and lung health at zero dollars. Nuclear is only "clean" if you discount the environmental effects of mining and the carbon footprint of the U3O8 enrichment plants, an

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale. Great for life "off the grid" THird is coal. Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant An added benefit from old coal pla

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants. RB On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and that free powe

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Curt, All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning.. failure... Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual pref

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Grant, As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep going when the battery dies. Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more than a parallel hybrid li

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
< And how far is that Starbucks? ;<) Wilton > snip Wilton, The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is 92 miles, so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge the Vo

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-02 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
And how far is that Starbucks? ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "G Mann" Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord It's OK... there is pl

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
If there's even a 10% loss of efficiency by going cordless, it would be criminal to adopt this. There's too much energy 'in play' when talking about the national EV fleet. I'm sure this is relatively high frequency, compared to the 60Hz grid. -- Jim ___ htt

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's "clean".. If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy t

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to charge

Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

2015-06-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Hundreds of tiny gerbils on a treadmill On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > How dey gonna do dat? Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the > subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training. Isn't the > car gonna need a secondary transformer coil