a gun list, hmm
Zeitgeist wrote:
Maybe Kaleb should start up a Guns n' Ammo listserv for all you he-man
second amendment obsessives. I'm hoping he'll also start one up for
those of us perpetually worried about third amendment abuses--ever
vigilant am I.
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I
so we should call it the 3rd amendment list?
Zeitgeist wrote:
We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer
pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion.
On 12/2/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there
Casey
yup, mercedes gun nuts for the third ammendment. think about it. it's
stunning.
On 12/2/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so we should call it the 3rd amendment list?
Zeitgeist wrote:
We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer
pharmaceuticals over on the
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From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun
cool
Gary Hurst wrote:
put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front
up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side
On 11/30/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85
On 12/1/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front
up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side
So, just so I understand this correctly, you throw your only son in
the truck often? On the
it's my daughter. i'd get her a litle bolt action .223 for her 9th birthday
if she was interested, but, alas, she isn't :(
A year ago, i have never even fired a gun. Now i buy Ted Nugent albums.
America -- what a country!
On 12/1/05, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/1/05, Gary
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:32 PM
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28, 2005 1:55 PM
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The total article can be found at:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126
You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being from the NRA, but I
assure
you the facts are correct
Gary Hurst wrote:
fully automatic weapons have gone through the roof
That was caused mostly by the Reagan ban. Nobody seems
interested in getting rid of the ban on new FAs, so the
old ones just get more valuable.
Reagan ban?
Full auto's are not banned, since the 30's you've needed a $200 permit, which
was alot back then, but not now.
If the crap ever really hit the fan here, there would be a BOOMING biz in
the few parts you need to convert an AR-15 to full auto - millions to convert.
But Terrible Ted's choice of weaponry is a bow and arrow and he is damned
good with it.
Mike
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:27 AM
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legal ones are rare and very valuable. illegal conversions get you put
away. want one with papers? cost you about 5 grand and up now
On 12/2/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reagan ban?
Full auto's are not banned, since the 30's you've needed a $200 permit,
which was
Maybe Kaleb should start up a Guns n' Ammo listserv for all you he-man
second amendment obsessives. I'm hoping he'll also start one up for
those of us perpetually worried about third amendment abuses--ever
vigilant am I.
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87
nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there
On 12/2/05, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe Kaleb should start up a Guns n' Ammo listserv for all you he-man
second amendment obsessives. I'm hoping he'll also start one up for
those of us perpetually worried about third amendment
We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer
pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion.
On 12/2/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87
Christopher McCann wrote:
Reagan ban?
Full auto's are not banned, since the 30's you've needed a $200 permit,
which was alot back then, but not now.
There's been a moratorium on new permits since the Raygun administration.
ATF will transfer an already-permitted full auto, but they won't
Zeitgeist wrote:
We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer
pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion.
3rd Amendment list?
Been bunking with any soldiers or agents of gov't lately?
Seems like you picked on the only part of the Bill of Rights that
isn't
The third amendment list is ostensibly for ultra paranoid
vigilant-types ready to pounce on any sign of guv abuse of our sacred
amendment...oh, and also for those who like interior decorating and
designer pharmaceuticals.
On 12/2/05, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3rd Amendment list?
Been
, November 30, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
mine if pretty nice. norinco mak-90. prices have gone up as well. the
guy
in the parking lot claimed all sorts of little modification, but dont'
they
always?
that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now.
On 11/30
So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill
out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun
at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer
some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are
approved or not.
In MO, the Federal background check is only required for long gun purhcases
when you buy from an FFL (gun store, etc). Private sales are no different than
buying a cord of wood. Buying a car from your buddy is far more complicated
than buying a rifle from your buddy...fitting as cars are
That's the way it is here and I am under the impression that is a Federal
regulation.
Mike
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill
out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun
at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer
some questions, they call
no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun. i had him write me
a receipt though and took his business card
On 11/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill
out any papework to transfer ownership? Around
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global
A list of all sorts of crime statistics --
http://www.lib.msu.edu/harris23/crimjust/stats.htm#federal
On 11/28/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most anything you want is here --
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/
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Norman, OK
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC
The
Did not know that. Definitely not the case in Missouri.
Chris
Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris said...
You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running
away!
No matter WHAT he did!
In Texas, if it's nighttime, you can use deadly force to prevent a perp
I have seen studies that claim that in shall issue states, violent crimes goes
down, but non violent crime goes up. Makes sense. Criminals are more afraid of
people with guns...so they go after objects - stealing cars, etc rather than
muggings.
Chris
Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
, 2005 1:35 PM
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exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have
fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a
more
serious search for it
On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's say some guy decides to rob the bank you're in and five people
whip out pistols. How do you know who you need to shoot and who you
don't? Some of them might be in on the job. Do you shoot all of them
just to be sure?
I understand your point, but the answer
Steve MacSween wrote:
I understand your point, but the answer there is that no one with proper
training 'whips it out' while the robbery is in progress. The resulting
firestorm would be like using dynamite to fish in your backyard pool, and
inevitably you'd probably kill more innocents than
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve MacSween wrote:
I understand your point, but the answer there is that no one with proper
training 'whips it out' while the robbery is in progress. The resulting
firestorm would be like using dynamite to fish in your backyard pool, and
inevitably you'd probably
Dave,
Very real concerns. The first one is simply reality. Your gun may do you NO
good. Your gun CAN do you harm (taken away from you - although that doesn't
happen nearly as often as it's claimed by some). On the other hand,
approximately 2 million crimes are thwarted every year in
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global
Christopher McCann wrote:
You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away!
No matter WHAT he did!
I think in Florida it's now legal to shoot anyone as long as you shout
he's headed right for us! first. ;)
The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would
be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. When in doubt these
mutts will move on to targets that appear softer. If granny just might have
a hand gun in her purse or nightstand she is afforded some protection
Bob DuPuy wrote:
The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would
be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed.
But does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance
of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot,
frankly.
yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the
current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule
for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to
get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds.
As i'm an
You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy
running away!
No matter WHAT he did!
Can if you can prove (!) that he's actually immediately on his way to
commit mayhem, such as shoot your family outside, or torch the building,
etc. Awfully hard to be sure that's what's going
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:06 PM
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This line of discussion kind of sums up my problem with concealed carry.
It always seems to me that for it to make any sense as protection,
you had to be ready
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:18 PM
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Dave,
Very real concerns. The first one is simply reality. Your gun may do you
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From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:26 PM
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Christopher McCann wrote:
You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running
away!
No matter
Gary Hurst wrote:
yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the
current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule
for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to
get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under
Chris said...
You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running
away!
No matter WHAT he did!
In Texas, if it's nighttime, you can use deadly force to prevent a perp
from escaping with property stolen during a burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft.
Royce Engler
David, statistically all violent crime including murder goes down in
shall issue states. As long as you stay out of my house and don't
threaten my wife or kids I won't shoot you. The fact that other
citizens are willing to take on the responsibility and liability of
carrying, will indeed keep you
I will just stick to my 44 mag or my .357 mag for those situations.
Mitch Haley wrote:
Gary Hurst wrote:
yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the
current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule
for shooting a guy brandishing a knife.
, 2005 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the
current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule
for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to
get
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:00 PM
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Bob DuPuy wrote:
The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the
would
be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:23 PM
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The total article can be found at:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126
You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being from the NRA, but I assure
you the facts are correct - if the NRA were caught offering incorrect info
such as this, the media
Jabbabursty wrote:
exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could
have fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to
make a more serious search for it
I may have missed something early in this discussion, but why in the
world did you have 8 guns in
no, i went to see drew the wood guy who owns a compound in NC. i live in
the city and only get to shoot at a 25 yard indoor range. chopped down 4
trees with my .45 :)
On 11/28/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jabbabursty wrote:
exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The total article can be found at:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126
You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 04:37:13PM -0500, Trampas wrote:
Never bring a knife to a gun fight
Not necessarily. I saw someone in class who was an IPSEC shooter (and had
several trophies) go up against a jailer who trained with knives. Jailer had
a chalked training blade, and the shooter had a
Man, we clearly have some tough talking hombres around here. And to
think, most folks think MB owners are nothing more than candy-assed
effete pate sniffers. Sounds like some of you tough guys would just
assume shoot a man, than suffer the indignity of a sideways glance at
a little brake dust on
Kevin wrote:
(This, of course, doesn't take into account that someone can still run after
you after being shot, since unlike in hollywood, not all shots are fatal.)
I think that getting shot on the street with a handgun has about a 20% mortality
rate. Getting stuck once with a knife is
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exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have
fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a more
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 07:25:35PM -0500, Steve MacSween wrote:
News to me. In the U.S. it's perfectly legal for law enforcement to shoot a
fleeing felon.
Fleeing felon alone is no longer adequate justification in california
(and this shouldn't surprise anyone). For a cop to shoot a fleeing
That reminds me of the following...
SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and
two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife
comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises
the knife and charges. You are
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and thats about the truth of it.
Royce Engler wrote:
That reminds me of the following...
SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and
two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife
comes around the corner,
:54 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and thats about the truth of it.
Royce Engler wrote:
That reminds me of the following...
SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife
and
two small children. Suddenly
Never bring a knife to a gun fight
Trampas
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On Behalf Of redghost
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:43 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Texan answer for sure
During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people
stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol
sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY
from the firing line. THe range officer yells GO and the person
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