Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
a gun list, hmm Zeitgeist wrote: Maybe Kaleb should start up a Guns n' Ammo listserv for all you he-man second amendment obsessives. I'm hoping he'll also start one up for those of us perpetually worried about third amendment abuses--ever vigilant am I. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
so we should call it the 3rd amendment list? Zeitgeist wrote: We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion. On 12/2/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
yup, mercedes gun nuts for the third ammendment. think about it. it's stunning. On 12/2/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so we should call it the 3rd amendment list? Zeitgeist wrote: We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion. On 12/2/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side On 11/30/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mine if pretty nice. norinco mak-90. prices have gone up as well. the guy in the parking lot claimed all sorts of little modification, but dont' they always? that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now. On 11/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! You paid a premuim unless it was fully automatic. My Chinese AK (semi-auto) was a little over $200 - 2 years ago. Of course, I went thru the background check procedure-- Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun. i had him write me a receipt though and took his business card On 11/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
cool Gary Hurst wrote: put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side On 11/30/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
On 12/1/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side So, just so I understand this correctly, you throw your only son in the truck often? On the last occasion you had that you needed to see how long he could hold his breath he found your AK and, how shall we say, provided himself with ventilation through the trunk? Now it is the AK, and not the son, that is happily at his side. -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
it's my daughter. i'd get her a litle bolt action .223 for her 9th birthday if she was interested, but, alas, she isn't :( A year ago, i have never even fired a gun. Now i buy Ted Nugent albums. America -- what a country! On 12/1/05, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/1/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side So, just so I understand this correctly, you throw your only son in the truck often? On the last occasion you had that you needed to see how long he could hold his breath he found your AK and, how shall we say, provided himself with ventilation through the trunk? Now it is the AK, and not the son, that is happily at his side. -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
you wrote:that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now
Cool! my gun collection might actually be the investment I'd always told my
wife it was! ;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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- Original Message -
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
mine if pretty nice. norinco mak-90. prices have gone up as well. the
guy
in the parking lot claimed all sorts of little modification, but dont'
they
always?
that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now.
On 11/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow! You paid a premuim unless it was fully automatic. My Chinese AK
(semi-auto) was a little over $200 - 2 years ago. Of course, I went thru
the background check procedure--
Sincerely,
Larry T (78 240D)
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- Original Message -
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun. i had him write
me
a receipt though and took his business card
On 11/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill
out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun
at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer
some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are
approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from
an
individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its
possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the
paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you.
Gary Hurst wrote:
well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the
standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have
trouble
shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all
of
that
could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some
kid
would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to
criminals on the cheap if it was taken.
these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of
georgia.
anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a
parking
lot
of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun
nut
with
a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in
plain
site
of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an
AK-47
is no big deal here.
as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out
of
my
possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my
possession,
searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent
crime. I
cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one,
but
the
past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this
position
before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would
be.
my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate
possession
that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know
how. right
now
i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it
missing.
i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly
upset
by
this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a
serious
breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is
terrible
thing
the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like
me. I
don't
believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and,
even
if
there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting
hysterical
can do anything but further erode the situation.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
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Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
In case you get to this before me - http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ - has great stats - as suggested by OK Don - the state-by-state data is surely there but didn;t jump out at me when I glanced at the headings - Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The total article can be found at: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126 You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being from the NRA, but I assure you the facts are correct - if the NRA were caught offering incorrect info such as this, the media (never a fan of the NRA) would crucify them and never let the story die. They are meticulous in their facts. I'm sure the facts they choose to report are accurate, but I'm also sure they were very selective in choosing which ones to present. The fact that states with right-to-carry laws have a lower crime rate is not surprising, because those tend to be predominantly rural states. What I want to know is has the crime rate in those states decreased *more or less quickly* than the crime rate in other states. (Just showing a decrease isn't enough, because crime rates have fallen everywhere, including states with strict gun control laws.) I suspect if those statistics had supported their position, they would have included them, so their absence makes me suspicious. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Gary Hurst wrote: fully automatic weapons have gone through the roof That was caused mostly by the Reagan ban. Nobody seems interested in getting rid of the ban on new FAs, so the old ones just get more valuable.
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Reagan ban? Full auto's are not banned, since the 30's you've needed a $200 permit, which was alot back then, but not now. If the crap ever really hit the fan here, there would be a BOOMING biz in the few parts you need to convert an AR-15 to full auto - millions to convert. Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: fully automatic weapons have gone through the roof That was caused mostly by the Reagan ban. Nobody seems interested in getting rid of the ban on new FAs, so the old ones just get more valuable. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 02 17:40:14 2005 Received: from host337.ipowerweb.com ([72.22.69.22]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EiEtG-0006JU-W7 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:40:11 + Received: (qmail 90878 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2005 17:36:16 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (206.109.43.202) by host337.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2005 17:36:16 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:40:03 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-ipwdcc-1-Metrics: host337.ipowerweb.com 208; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] transmission repair, 300SD X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:40:14 - I don't know trans shops, hope I never need one. You might call Benz by Blair and ask them who they would use (this is a pretty good shop), and I'll ask my buddy who his mech is for the 450SL, you could call him. His shop is near BbB, the guy's name is Gus I think, I just can't remember the shop name. Or call Swiss Garage, they do a lot of Benzes, there is another one on Edloe, Hans's, it is a big Benz shop. Or you might have done all that already. Isn't that problem the seal replacement? Is it hard to do? Do you have to tear into the whole thing, or do it from the outside? I think there was a whole thread about that, but I did not pay much attention to it. --R Hans Neureiter wrote: A while ago I found the front of the tranny leaking and added Lucas Transmission Fix. The leak stopped. Marshall told me that this will not work, and he was, AS ALL WAYS, correct. Three weeks later It's leaking again. I called around to MB indi's for estimates and got answers ranging from a firm $ 650 to let's start at $ 1,000, depending what we find. What is a decent price ? Any recommendations of a good shop at the West end of houston (mumble.. Tom, Rich)? -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
But Terrible Ted's choice of weaponry is a bow and arrow and he is damned good with it. Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming it's my daughter. i'd get her a litle bolt action .223 for her 9th birthday if she was interested, but, alas, she isn't :( A year ago, i have never even fired a gun. Now i buy Ted Nugent albums. America -- what a country! On 12/1/05, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/1/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: put the kid in the trunk last night and the gun was located way in the front up next to the rear seat. see, no worries. The AK is at happily at my side So, just so I understand this correctly, you throw your only son in the truck often? On the last occasion you had that you needed to see how long he could hold his breath he found your AK and, how shall we say, provided himself with ventilation through the trunk? Now it is the AK, and not the son, that is happily at his side. -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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legal ones are rare and very valuable. illegal conversions get you put away. want one with papers? cost you about 5 grand and up now On 12/2/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reagan ban? Full auto's are not banned, since the 30's you've needed a $200 permit, which was alot back then, but not now. If the crap ever really hit the fan here, there would be a BOOMING biz in the few parts you need to convert an AR-15 to full auto - millions to convert. Chris Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: fully automatic weapons have gone through the roof That was caused mostly by the Reagan ban. Nobody seems interested in getting rid of the ban on new FAs, so the old ones just get more valuable. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Maybe Kaleb should start up a Guns n' Ammo listserv for all you he-man second amendment obsessives. I'm hoping he'll also start one up for those of us perpetually worried about third amendment abuses--ever vigilant am I. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there On 12/2/05, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Kaleb should start up a Guns n' Ammo listserv for all you he-man second amendment obsessives. I'm hoping he'll also start one up for those of us perpetually worried about third amendment abuses--ever vigilant am I. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion. On 12/2/05, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah, we'd end up just talking about cars there Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Christopher McCann wrote: Reagan ban? Full auto's are not banned, since the 30's you've needed a $200 permit, which was alot back then, but not now. There's been a moratorium on new permits since the Raygun administration. ATF will transfer an already-permitted full auto, but they won't issue a tax stamp for a previously untaxed gun. That's why a $2,000 UZI is now worth $20-30k, you can't replace it.
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Zeitgeist wrote: We could trade tips on interior decorating and designer pharmaceuticals over on the third amendment list...just a suggestion. 3rd Amendment list? Been bunking with any soldiers or agents of gov't lately? Seems like you picked on the only part of the Bill of Rights that isn't being continually violated.
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
The third amendment list is ostensibly for ultra paranoid vigilant-types ready to pounce on any sign of guv abuse of our sacred amendment...oh, and also for those who like interior decorating and designer pharmaceuticals. On 12/2/05, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3rd Amendment list? Been bunking with any soldiers or agents of gov't lately? Seems like you picked on the only part of the Bill of Rights that isn't being continually violated. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
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so what do you have in your collection?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you wrote:that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now
Cool! my gun collection might actually be the investment I'd always told my
wife it was! ;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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- Original Message -
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
mine if pretty nice. norinco mak-90. prices have gone up as well. the
guy
in the parking lot claimed all sorts of little modification, but dont'
they
always?
that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now.
On 11/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wow! You paid a premuim unless it was fully automatic. My Chinese AK
(semi-auto) was a little over $200 - 2 years ago. Of course, I went thru
the background check procedure--
Sincerely,
Larry T (78 240D)
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- Original Message -
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun. i had him write
me
a receipt though and took his business card
On 11/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill
out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun
at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer
some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are
approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from
an
individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its
possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the
paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you.
Gary Hurst wrote:
well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the
standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have
trouble
shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all
of
that
could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some
kid
would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to
criminals on the cheap if it was taken.
these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of
georgia.
anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a
parking
lot
of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun
nut
with
a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in
plain
site
of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an
AK-47
is no big deal here.
as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out
of
my
possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my
possession,
searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent
crime. I
cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one,
but
the
past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this
position
before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would
be.
my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate
possession
that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know
how. right
now
i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it
missing.
i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly
upset
by
this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a
serious
breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is
terrible
thing
the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like
me. I
don't
believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and,
even
if
there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting
hysterical
can do anything but further erode the situation.
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
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Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
In MO, the Federal background check is only required for long gun purhcases when you buy from an FFL (gun store, etc). Private sales are no different than buying a cord of wood. Buying a car from your buddy is far more complicated than buying a rifle from your buddy...fitting as cars are FAR more dangerous than guns :-) In MO, however, you do need a PTA (permit to acquire) a handgun. I really HATE this law. Technically, I cannot lend my pistol to my wife without violating this law...loaning, even to your wife is an illegal transfer without having this $10 form...and I would need another $10 form for her to lend it to me. Actually only two people have ever been convicted under it - one for falsifying the document and the other was a coke dealer. Which means it is universally ignored, even by the police. It's THAT stupid. Chris Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 00:57:43 2005 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.206]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EhGI3-0002wK-Ge for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:57:43 + Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so25888wxc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:57:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references;
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
That's the way it is here and I am under the impression that is a Federal regulation. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Yea I think so. Mike Canfield wrote: That's the way it is here and I am under the impression that is a Federal regulation. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun. i had him write me a receipt though and took his business card On 11/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
mine if pretty nice. norinco mak-90. prices have gone up as well. the guy in the parking lot claimed all sorts of little modification, but dont' they always? that gun is $950 at mr pawn right now. On 11/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! You paid a premuim unless it was fully automatic. My Chinese AK (semi-auto) was a little over $200 - 2 years ago. Of course, I went thru the background check procedure-- Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming no paperwork. i gave him $500 and he gave me the gun. i had him write me a receipt though and took his business card On 11/29/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you bought it from a dude in a parking lot, did you have to fill out any papework to transfer ownership? Around here, if you buy a gun at a gun store or whatever, you have to fill out this deal and answer some questions, they call a phone number and find out if you are approved or not. The gun is then tranferred to you. If you buy from an individual, most of the time its just a cash deal and thats it. Its possible the seller will want to go to a gun dealer and have the paperwork filled out to transfer the gun to you. Gary Hurst wrote: well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
A list of all sorts of crime statistics -- http://www.lib.msu.edu/harris23/crimjust/stats.htm#federal On 11/28/05, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most anything you want is here -- http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Did not know that. Definitely not the case in Missouri. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris said... You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! In Texas, if it's nighttime, you can use deadly force to prevent a perp from escaping with property stolen during a burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 03:38:17 2005 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net ([70.168.83.80]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgwJt-00046p-Gt for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:38:17 + Received: from raec400 ([70.185.2.142]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:36:46 -0500 From: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:35:24 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:38:17 - I can tell you exactly when that happened on my '82 Pontiac Bonneville wagon. I was driving back to Houston from Fort Worth, stopped at a Texaco station in Waco and filled up with what turned out to be wet diesel fuel. Within 20 miles the engine started missing, and we barely made it back to Houston. At that time it had 40,000 miles on it. Took it in to the dealer and they said, oh, there's a special warranty on the IP and we'll replace it at no charge. No wonder they were in such a hurry to get me out of there. Never was the same after that, and the IP failed again at 70,000, and I dumped the car to get a '79 240D. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: Loren Faeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:13 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] GM, was: What? WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second gas shortage (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
I have seen studies that claim that in shall issue states, violent crimes goes down, but non violent crime goes up. Makes sense. Criminals are more afraid of people with guns...so they go after objects - stealing cars, etc rather than muggings. Chris Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, statistically all violent crime including murder goes down in shall issue states. As long as you stay out of my house and don't threaten my wife or kids I won't shoot you. The fact that other citizens are willing to take on the responsibility and liability of carrying, will indeed keep you safer, even if you feel squeamish about it. Bob DuPuy On 11/27/05, David Brodbeck wrote: Bob DuPuy wrote: The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. But does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot, frankly. ___ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 210K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 03:40:47 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgwMJ-0004WX-O1 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:40:47 + Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i4so1611404wra for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=e5saI49hUHxgLeiG45N4qRYILcx51uAosGTh3h5TuU0SHYhi65XEBJAly6RaYee2XH4TZ78w2bWdqKLcPUMnQQIrFd0yp+6esfP28lf/notfslTqt56oIoTCBbozPCKB5P+2UkU0syh01nVgt3HEdHvPaDShrQGOkPygRUHt7LQ= Received: by 10.54.131.10 with SMTP id e10mr2631577wrd; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.147.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:40:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:40:47 + From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] might be needing some cars X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:40:47 - Lose the 0A. On 11/29/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I think he might need to put Rush on the radio to cure that leaning problem if I understand the problem correctly. I've got FOX News Radio on preset button 0A and Air America on 7A, to ensure proper weight distribution. ;) David Brodbeck (talk radio fan) '83 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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well, i've never lost a gun before, so i really wasn't sure what the standard procedure is. it wasn't loaded so some kid would have trouble shooting someone with it. it has no magazine either. granted, all of that could be simply remedied but it would make it less likely that some kid would kill someone with it. more likely, i'd think, it was sold to criminals on the cheap if it was taken. these weapons are relatively easy to acquire in the state of georgia. anyone can go to any gun show and buy one. I bought mine in a parking lot of a crowded publix supermarket on a saturday afternoon from a gun nut with a van full of assault rifles. this transaction took place in plain site of not only shoppers, but also a police cruiser on patrol. Buying an AK-47 is no big deal here. as for hte urgency of the situation, if hte gun is not actually out of my possession, no one can be killed by it. and if it is out of my possession, searching would not bring it back and prevent its use in a violent crime. I cannot help the situation much as my failure is not a present one, but the past failure of losing my weapon. As I have never been in this position before, I was asking more out of an interest in what protocol would be. my trunk was locked. i never have a firearm out of my immediate possession that is not locked. it is simply gone and i don't yet know how. right now i'm mostly trying to locate the serial number so i can report it missing. i'm not sure my attitude is all that oh well.'' I am profoundly upset by this. It's a disgrace to have your firearm disappear on you and a serious breach of a shooter's unwritten code. losing your firearm is terrible thing the likes of which i never thought would happen to someone like me. I don't believe anyone will be killed or injured on account of this and, even if there is a risk of this happening, i don't believe that getting hysterical can do anything but further erode the situation. On 11/28/05, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't now about you folks but you seem to be taking a missing firearm very lightly! Why on earth would you have to ask a freakin discussion list about cars if they thought a missing firearm is serious or not? Suppose some KID has stolen it..WHAT THEN? Should you have waited to AT LEAST GET OFF YOUR ASS IN FRONT OF YOUR PC AND LOOK FOR THE DAMN GUN BEFORE SOMEONE GETS KILLED?? I can't believe you would leave the trunk unlocked either! Sorry for the offensive post but the OH WELL attitude on this post sucks! Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a more serious search for it On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't it seem odd that only the AK would be missing? I'm assuming if someone grabbed it they could have grabbed some others at the same time? Maybe it's there under something or you put it somewhere else? Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. As i'm an idiot, my initial reaction to this was to go online and look at knives to buy. on a more serious note, my chinese AK is missing. I remember putting it in the trunk for my trip to NC this weekend, but I did not see it (did see all the other guns, however) when i opened the trunk. At what point if any am i morally or legally responsible to report this loss to the authorities? I am horribly embarrassed by this and am still working under the presumption that it will show up some time soon, but i am getting a bit nervous that it wasn't in it's regular gun case when i came home a few minutes ago. On 11/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's say some guy decides to rob the bank you're in and five people whip out pistols. How do you know who you need to shoot and who you don't? Some of them might be in on the job. Do you shoot all of them just to be sure? I understand your point, but the answer there is that no one with proper training 'whips it out' while the robbery is in progress. The resulting firestorm would be like using dynamite to fish in your backyard pool, and inevitably you'd probably kill more innocents than banditos. Wait until they go to exit (assuming they don't back out the door but choose to walk/run), then redecorate the bank door with the contents of the nearest bad guy's cranial cavity. OTOH, if you are in a situation with a real pro crew (thinking of the final part of the film Heat here), you lie down, shut up and pray very, very hard that some responding rookie cop doesn't make you cemetary worm food with a stray shot. EHEM. Mac
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Steve MacSween wrote: I understand your point, but the answer there is that no one with proper training 'whips it out' while the robbery is in progress. The resulting firestorm would be like using dynamite to fish in your backyard pool, and inevitably you'd probably kill more innocents than banditos. Agreed, and I just don't trust the average Joe Sixpack to figure that out.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: I understand your point, but the answer there is that no one with proper training 'whips it out' while the robbery is in progress. The resulting firestorm would be like using dynamite to fish in your backyard pool, and inevitably you'd probably kill more innocents than banditos. Agreed, and I just don't trust the average Joe Sixpack to figure that out. Oooh, yeah, roger that one :-0. However, with some small police departments you aren't much safer with John Q. Law either. Some of the stuff I see on COPS darn near drops me out of my chair, for krissake. (The New Orleans cops come to mind on that one.) Mac
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Dave, Very real concerns. The first one is simply reality. Your gun may do you NO good. Your gun CAN do you harm (taken away from you - although that doesn't happen nearly as often as it's claimed by some). On the other hand, approximately 2 million crimes are thwarted every year in the US by reg citizens with guns. If I were single, I probably would not carry concealed. But with 5 little girls, my concern is being UTTERLY defenseless (in the sense of defending seven people at once - 5+me+wife). So I do...hope it never leaves the holster. Your second point is very good. We were taught NEVER to play hero as you DO NOT know what is going on - as your example points out. A million others can be imagined. If you do know EXACTLY what is happening, as you see it all unfold, bit of a different story. Interestingly, according to Catholic moral theology (I'm Catholic, so this matters to me), you are required to defend the defenseless as you would yourself...but again, you still HAVE TO KNOW what's really happening. Carrying is not for everyone. INterestingly, got an e-mail from a priest-friend in Switzerland and he said it is nothing to see teenagers with assault rifles on busses and on their backs riding bikes. The govt supplies de-militarized rifles to all its citizens DIRT CHEAP, requires all men to be on military call and keep full auto weapons and ammo in their homes and the state pays for rifle marksmanship training for youth. Wild. And there are no drive bys, people at McDOnald's with AK's, etc. Chris David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This line of discussion kind of sums up my problem with concealed carry. It always seems to me that for it to make any sense as protection, you had to be ready to shoot at any time, with an itchy trigger finger. This *greatly* raises the odds that some innocent person is going to get shot in a misunderstanding. It certainly happens too often with cops, and cops are trained in that sort of thing, unlike someone who's just picked up a gun at the local pawn shop and tucked it in their belt. Not to mention, in the public place hero scenarios gun advocates like to talk about, there's the real problem of knowing who's on your side. Let's say some guy decides to rob the bank you're in and five people whip out pistols. How do you know who you need to shoot and who you don't? Some of them might be in on the job. Do you shoot all of them just to be sure? ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 209K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 28 00:19:09 2005 Received: from tomts16.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.4] helo=tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgWjc-He-0O for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:19:08 + Received: from [64.230.124.146] by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:19:05 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:18:59 -0500 From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] So, what IS the diameter of the lower hose? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:19:09 - Heck, I'm just pleased to pieces that you all want to fix my car, but no one yet assisted me in my leisure by telling me the diameter of the lower rad hose on my 240d. :-) Mac
Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Wait until they go to exit (assuming they don't back out the door but choose to walk/run), then redecorate the bank door with the contents of the nearest bad guy's cranial cavity. You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! Chris Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's say some guy decides to rob the bank you're in and five people whip out pistols. How do you know who you need to shoot and who you don't? Some of them might be in on the job. Do you shoot all of them just to be sure? I understand your point, but the answer there is that no one with proper training 'whips it out' while the robbery is in progress. The resulting firestorm would be like using dynamite to fish in your backyard pool, and inevitably you'd probably kill more innocents than banditos. Wait until they go to exit (assuming they don't back out the door but choose to walk/run), then redecorate the bank door with the contents of the nearest bad guy's cranial cavity. OTOH, if you are in a situation with a real pro crew (thinking of the final part of the film Heat here), you lie down, shut up and pray very, very hard that some responding rookie cop doesn't make you cemetary worm food with a stray shot. EHEM. Mac ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 209K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 28 00:25:43 2005 Received: from tomts10.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.54] helo=tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgWpz-ym-KC for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:25:43 + Received: from [64.230.124.146] by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:25:40 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:25:35 -0500 From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:25:44 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! News to me. In the U.S. it's perfectly legal for law enforcement to shoot a fleeing felon. In Canada you cannot unless the life of someone in his path is in clear danger and you do so to protect that person. Mac
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Christopher McCann wrote: You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! I think in Florida it's now legal to shoot anyone as long as you shout he's headed right for us! first. ;)
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The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. When in doubt these mutts will move on to targets that appear softer. If granny just might have a hand gun in her purse or nightstand she is afforded some protection just by the perception. Bob DuPuy Parrish, FL
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Bob DuPuy wrote: The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. But does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot, frankly.
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yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. As i'm an idiot, my initial reaction to this was to go online and look at knives to buy. on a more serious note, my chinese AK is missing. I remember putting it in the trunk for my trip to NC this weekend, but I did not see it (did see all the other guns, however) when i opened the trunk. At what point if any am i morally or legally responsible to report this loss to the authorities? I am horribly embarrassed by this and am still working under the presumption that it will show up some time soon, but i am getting a bit nervous that it wasn't in it's regular gun case when i came home a few minutes ago. On 11/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer yells GO and the person facing the target picks up the weapons and shoots...meanwhile the other person runs full speed in the other direction and STOPS when the shot is heard. THe point - you can make it 25 feet in that time frame. As a SWAT team acquantance said. If there is a man on the other side of the living room threatening you with a knife, you better shoot quick...and you might/probably still get stabbed. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -Original Message- From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of severe brain damage. I suspect he had that prior to the bullets hitting. On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 03:37 PM, wrote: ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 209K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! Can if you can prove (!) that he's actually immediately on his way to commit mayhem, such as shoot your family outside, or torch the building, etc. Awfully hard to be sure that's what's going on, or to prove it to the jury later. -- Jim
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Prof John Lott looked at this problem. He found the police shot an innocent
person 11% of the time while private citizens rate was less than 3% - it was
close to 2% but I don't recall the precise number. In any case, pricate CCW
holders are *much* less likely to shoot an innocent person. It's legal to
carry a concealed weapon in 42 states I believe and all the handwringing
about gas station arguments turning into gunfights have not come about in
any location. Additionally, inmates were polled about gun laws - they said
it didn't matter - if they had some cash they could buy a gun - no
background check, etc - all it takes is green. They didn't go to gun shows,
gun stores or other legal locations. They also said that places where
people might be armed were places they always avoid when looking for a
victim.
When I chose to get my CCW I took the time to learn the rules - but
basically I would shoot someone only if a life were endangered. IMHO,
there's no *thing* worth a persons life - even if they're a bad guy, it's
only stuff. And stuff can be replaced. The problem with me shooting a
person for stealing my '78 240D (for instance) is that I'd carry the pain of
killing another person over a car for the rest of my life.
Every person who carries a gun must know beforehand when they *will* shoot -
for me it's only to save a life.
BTW, If you want the specifics of the study by Prof Lott I'll be happy to
look it up.
Sincerely,
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From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
This line of discussion kind of sums up my problem with concealed carry.
It always seems to me that for it to make any sense as protection,
you had to be ready to shoot at any time, with an itchy trigger finger.
This *greatly* raises the odds that some innocent person is going to
get shot in a misunderstanding. It certainly happens too often with
cops, and cops are trained in that sort of thing, unlike someone who's
just picked up a gun at the local pawn shop and tucked it in their belt.
Not to mention, in the public place hero scenarios gun advocates like
to talk about, there's the real problem of knowing who's on your side.
Let's say some guy decides to rob the bank you're in and five people
whip out pistols. How do you know who you need to shoot and who you
don't? Some of them might be in on the job. Do you shoot all of them
just to be sure?
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You wrote:[SNIP] in Switzerland and he said it is nothing to see
teenagers with assault rifles on busses and on their backs riding bikes.
The govt supplies de-militarized rifles to all its citizens DIRT CHEAP,
requires all men to be on military call and keep full auto weapons and ammo
[SNIP]
I believe Israel is the same way -
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From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Dave,
Very real concerns. The first one is simply reality. Your gun may do you
NO good. Your gun CAN do you harm (taken away from you - although that
doesn't happen nearly as often as it's claimed by some). On the other hand,
approximately 2 million crimes are thwarted every year in the US by reg
citizens with guns. If I were single, I probably would not carry concealed.
But with 5 little girls, my concern is being UTTERLY defenseless (in the
sense of defending seven people at once - 5+me+wife). So I do...hope it
never leaves the holster.
Your second point is very good. We were taught NEVER to play hero as you
DO NOT know what is going on - as your example points out. A million others
can be imagined. If you do know EXACTLY what is happening, as you see it
all unfold, bit of a different story. Interestingly, according to Catholic
moral theology (I'm Catholic, so this matters to me), you are required to
defend the defenseless as you would yourself...but again, you still HAVE TO
KNOW what's really happening.
Carrying is not for everyone.
INterestingly, got an e-mail from a priest-friend in Switzerland and he
said it is nothing to see teenagers with assault rifles on busses and on
their backs riding bikes. The govt supplies de-militarized rifles to all
its citizens DIRT CHEAP, requires all men to be on military call and keep
full auto weapons and ammo in their homes and the state pays for rifle
marksmanship training for youth. Wild. And there are no drive bys, people
at McDOnald's with AK's, etc.
Chris
David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This line of discussion kind of sums
up my problem with concealed carry.
It always seems to me that for it to make any sense as protection,
you had to be ready to shoot at any time, with an itchy trigger finger.
This *greatly* raises the odds that some innocent person is going to
get shot in a misunderstanding. It certainly happens too often with
cops, and cops are trained in that sort of thing, unlike someone who's
just picked up a gun at the local pawn shop and tucked it in their belt.
Not to mention, in the public place hero scenarios gun advocates like
to talk about, there's the real problem of knowing who's on your side.
Let's say some guy decides to rob the bank you're in and five people
whip out pistols. How do you know who you need to shoot and who you
don't? Some of them might be in on the job. Do you shoot all of them
just to be sure?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
David wrote (in jest):I think in Florida it's now legal to shoot anyone as
long as you shout
he's headed right for us! first. ;)
Just to keep the uninformed straight - the recent FL law says people don't
have to run away if confronted - they can stand their ground and defend
themselves and their family.
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- Original Message -
From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming
Christopher McCann wrote:
You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running
away!
No matter WHAT he did!
I think in Florida it's now legal to shoot anyone as long as you shout
he's headed right for us! first. ;)
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Gary Hurst wrote: yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. My thoughts about defending self from a lone mugger with a handgun have been : Outside of ten feet, run. Inside ten feet, stick a big knife in his head. Don't believe the crap about taking a knife to a gun fight.
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Chris said... You will go to jail for murder if you do that. Can't shoot a guy running away! No matter WHAT he did! In Texas, if it's nighttime, you can use deadly force to prevent a perp from escaping with property stolen during a burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
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David, statistically all violent crime including murder goes down in shall issue states. As long as you stay out of my house and don't threaten my wife or kids I won't shoot you. The fact that other citizens are willing to take on the responsibility and liability of carrying, will indeed keep you safer, even if you feel squeamish about it. Bob DuPuy On 11/27/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob DuPuy wrote: The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. But does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot, frankly. ___
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I will just stick to my 44 mag or my .357 mag for those situations. Mitch Haley wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. My thoughts about defending self from a lone mugger with a handgun have been : Outside of ten feet, run. Inside ten feet, stick a big knife in his head. Don't believe the crap about taking a knife to a gun fight. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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Doesn't it seem odd that only the AK would be missing? I'm assuming if someone grabbed it they could have grabbed some others at the same time? Maybe it's there under something or you put it somewhere else? Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. As i'm an idiot, my initial reaction to this was to go online and look at knives to buy. on a more serious note, my chinese AK is missing. I remember putting it in the trunk for my trip to NC this weekend, but I did not see it (did see all the other guns, however) when i opened the trunk. At what point if any am i morally or legally responsible to report this loss to the authorities? I am horribly embarrassed by this and am still working under the presumption that it will show up some time soon, but i am getting a bit nervous that it wasn't in it's regular gun case when i came home a few minutes ago. On 11/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer yells GO and the person facing the target picks up the weapons and shoots...meanwhile the other person runs full speed in the other direction and STOPS when the shot is heard. THe point - you can make it 25 feet in that time frame. As a SWAT team acquantance said. If there is a man on the other side of the living room threatening you with a knife, you better shoot quick...and you might/probably still get stabbed. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -Original Message- From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of severe brain damage. I suspect he had that prior to the bullets hitting. On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 03:37 PM, wrote: ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City
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David wrote:does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot Yes, murder goes down also **significantly**- Here's some stats. for 2004, the latest year with info available - total violent crime has decreased 39%; murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 44%; rape I think murder and non-negligent manslaughter are combined because often, when someone is killed the official charge will be manslaughter - The total article can be found at: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126 You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being from the NRA, but I assure you the facts are correct - if the NRA were caught offering incorrect info such as this, the media (never a fan of the NRA) would crucify them and never let the story die. They are meticulous in their facts. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming Bob DuPuy wrote: The fact is that crime goes down in shall issue states because the would be criminal can never know who may or may not be armed. But does the murder rate go down? I'm not interested in a lower chance of having my stuff stolen if it means a higher chance of being shot, frankly. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a more serious search for it On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't it seem odd that only the AK would be missing? I'm assuming if someone grabbed it they could have grabbed some others at the same time? Maybe it's there under something or you put it somewhere else? Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. As i'm an idiot, my initial reaction to this was to go online and look at knives to buy. on a more serious note, my chinese AK is missing. I remember putting it in the trunk for my trip to NC this weekend, but I did not see it (did see all the other guns, however) when i opened the trunk. At what point if any am i morally or legally responsible to report this loss to the authorities? I am horribly embarrassed by this and am still working under the presumption that it will show up some time soon, but i am getting a bit nervous that it wasn't in it's regular gun case when i came home a few minutes ago. On 11/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer yells GO and the person facing the target picks up the weapons and shoots...meanwhile the other person runs full speed in the other direction and STOPS when the shot is heard. THe point - you can make it 25 feet in that time frame. As a SWAT team acquantance said. If there is a man on the other side of the living room threatening you with a knife, you better shoot quick...and you might/probably still get stabbed. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -Original Message- From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of severe brain damage. I suspect he had
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The total article can be found at: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126 You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being from the NRA, but I assure you the facts are correct - if the NRA were caught offering incorrect info such as this, the media (never a fan of the NRA) would crucify them and never let the story die. They are meticulous in their facts. I'm sure the facts they choose to report are accurate, but I'm also sure they were very selective in choosing which ones to present. The fact that states with right-to-carry laws have a lower crime rate is not surprising, because those tend to be predominantly rural states. What I want to know is has the crime rate in those states decreased *more or less quickly* than the crime rate in other states. (Just showing a decrease isn't enough, because crime rates have fallen everywhere, including states with strict gun control laws.) I suspect if those statistics had supported their position, they would have included them, so their absence makes me suspicious.
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Jabbabursty wrote: exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a more serious search for it I may have missed something early in this discussion, but why in the world did you have 8 guns in your trunk? Are you a traveling militia and salvation show? (humming that cheesy Neil Diamond Song). Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.
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no, i went to see drew the wood guy who owns a compound in NC. i live in the city and only get to shoot at a 25 yard indoor range. chopped down 4 trees with my .45 :) On 11/28/05, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jabbabursty wrote: exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a more serious search for it I may have missed something early in this discussion, but why in the world did you have 8 guns in your trunk? Are you a traveling militia and salvation show? (humming that cheesy Neil Diamond Song). Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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There's a lot of data available to sift thru -- still looking for state-by-state stats. As soon as I locate some I'll post a summary and a link - I've found info for LA, Chi and NYC but would prefer state comparisons. They're there - I just have to locate them. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The total article can be found at: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=126 You may be tempted to dismiss the info as being from the NRA, but I assure you the facts are correct - if the NRA were caught offering incorrect info such as this, the media (never a fan of the NRA) would crucify them and never let the story die. They are meticulous in their facts. I'm sure the facts they choose to report are accurate, but I'm also sure they were very selective in choosing which ones to present. The fact that states with right-to-carry laws have a lower crime rate is not surprising, because those tend to be predominantly rural states. What I want to know is has the crime rate in those states decreased *more or less quickly* than the crime rate in other states. (Just showing a decrease isn't enough, because crime rates have fallen everywhere, including states with strict gun control laws.) I suspect if those statistics had supported their position, they would have included them, so their absence makes me suspicious. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 04:37:13PM -0500, Trampas wrote: Never bring a knife to a gun fight Not necessarily. I saw someone in class who was an IPSEC shooter (and had several trophies) go up against a jailer who trained with knives. Jailer had a chalked training blade, and the shooter had a blue gun similar to his colt he used for competition. Unless the jailer was more than 20 feet away, the shooter had chalk lines covering places you really wouldn't want a real knife to land. (This, of course, doesn't take into account that someone can still run after you after being shot, since unlike in hollywood, not all shots are fatal.) K
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Man, we clearly have some tough talking hombres around here. And to think, most folks think MB owners are nothing more than candy-assed effete pate sniffers. Sounds like some of you tough guys would just assume shoot a man, than suffer the indignity of a sideways glance at a little brake dust on your Bundts. I think Rusty should start selling 18k gold AMG gunracks for all you proud Merkins. Casey (feeling extra tough with my .22) Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (205k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
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Kevin wrote: (This, of course, doesn't take into account that someone can still run after you after being shot, since unlike in hollywood, not all shots are fatal.) I think that getting shot on the street with a handgun has about a 20% mortality rate. Getting stuck once with a knife is probably low too. I would imagine the guy who was shot but ambulatory would be a little less interested in continuing the fight than the guy who was slashed. OTOH, if the knife-wielder is determined that the guy he stabs will not live, and has a basic knowledge of anatomy, the mortality rate could be 100%.
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Don't now about you folks but you seem to be taking a missing firearm very lightly! Why on earth would you have to ask a freakin discussion list about cars if they thought a missing firearm is serious or not? Suppose some KID has stolen it..WHAT THEN? Should you have waited to AT LEAST GET OFF YOUR ASS IN FRONT OF YOUR PC AND LOOK FOR THE DAMN GUN BEFORE SOMEONE GETS KILLED?? I can't believe you would leave the trunk unlocked either! Sorry for the offensive post but the OH WELL attitude on this post sucks! Mike - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming exactly. there were 8 guns in the trunk. one is not there. could have fallen under something. it is a 35 year old car. will have to make a more serious search for it On 11/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't it seem odd that only the AK would be missing? I'm assuming if someone grabbed it they could have grabbed some others at the same time? Maybe it's there under something or you put it somewhere else? Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming yeah, this is an interesting point which is covered, i believe, in the current NRA magazine. There is some general 21 foot law enforcement rule for shooting a guy brandishing a knife. while it would take me 2 weeks to get to you from 21 feet, it took knife attackers under 1.5 seconds. As i'm an idiot, my initial reaction to this was to go online and look at knives to buy. on a more serious note, my chinese AK is missing. I remember putting it in the trunk for my trip to NC this weekend, but I did not see it (did see all the other guns, however) when i opened the trunk. At what point if any am i morally or legally responsible to report this loss to the authorities? I am horribly embarrassed by this and am still working under the presumption that it will show up some time soon, but i am getting a bit nervous that it wasn't in it's regular gun case when i came home a few minutes ago. On 11/27/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer yells GO and the person facing the target picks up the weapons and shoots...meanwhile the other person runs full speed in the other direction and STOPS when the shot is heard. THe point - you can make it 25 feet in that time frame. As a SWAT team acquantance said. If there is a man on the other side of the living room threatening you with a knife, you better shoot quick...and you might/probably still get stabbed. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 07:25:35PM -0500, Steve MacSween wrote: News to me. In the U.S. it's perfectly legal for law enforcement to shoot a fleeing felon. Fleeing felon alone is no longer adequate justification in california (and this shouldn't surprise anyone). For a cop to shoot a fleeing felon - the courts have gotten pissy in the past with cops shooting non-violent felons (like grand larceny or forgery), or felons that otherwise do not present an immediate threat to life. [This may be nationwide as well under Tennessee v. Garner] K
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That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -Original Message- From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of severe brain damage. I suspect he had that prior to the bullets hitting. On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 03:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and thats about the truth of it. Royce Engler wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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Hilarious! Don't forget - the liberal would also ask: Was he abused as a child? Love the Texan response!! Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D - 285K) - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and thats about the truth of it. Royce Engler wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Never bring a knife to a gun fight Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of redghost Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:43 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Concealed Carry, was Global warming Texan answer for sure On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 09:47 PM, Royce Engler wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -Original Message- From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of severe brain damage. I suspect he had that prior to the bullets hitting. On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 03:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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During PP (personal protection) class, we did an excellent drill. Two people stand on the firing line. One person facing the target with their pistol sitting on a chair. THe second person stands next to them, but facing AWAY from the firing line. THe range officer yells GO and the person facing the target picks up the weapons and shoots...meanwhile the other person runs full speed in the other direction and STOPS when the shot is heard. THe point - you can make it 25 feet in that time frame. As a SWAT team acquantance said. If there is a man on the other side of the living room threatening you with a knife, you better shoot quick...and you might/probably still get stabbed. Chris Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me of the following... SITUATIONAL ISSUE: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? LIBERAL ANSWER: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor and oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Can we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety build into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does it send to society and my children? Is it possible that he'd would be happy just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he is stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. CONSERVATIVE ANSWER: BANG! TEXAN ANSWER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click(Sounds of reloading) Wife: Sweetheart, he looks like he is still moving, what do you kids think? Son: Mom's right, Dad, I saw it too. BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click. Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Where those the Winchester Silver Tips? -Original Message- From: redghost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global warming If you carry concealed, you better be ready to use if you draw. Last week some idiot kid decided to shoot up a local mall. Had an AK and side arm. There was a fellow shopping with his family carrying concealed. Idiot drew on the shooter, but spoke, instead of pulling the trigger. He is just now getting out of ICU with probability of severe brain damage. I suspect he had that prior to the bullets hitting. On Saturday, November 26, 2005, at 03:37 PM, wrote: ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1987 300TD, 150K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 209K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 27 23:57:21 2005 Received: from tomts40.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.97] helo=tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EgWOX-0006vW-Ex for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:57:21 + Received: from [64.230.124.146] by tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:57:18 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:57:13 -0500 From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [0] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Alfa Romeo X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe:
