Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Now Welding

[clay via Mercedes]

I have been hunting R107 clusters.  I busted a breaker bar and a ratchet 
attempting to get the dang 22mm nuts loose to remove the steering wheels.  Over 
the weekend by horn pad decided to let loose and would bleat at the most 
inopportune moments.  I figured out now to get the pad back where it belongs.   
I had welded up a magic tool to get the steering nut off.  I had a 22mm arm 
from a 4 way tire iron and a strange ratcheting tire wrench with a hollow shaft 
that this arm would fit.  My weld job was less than spectacular this weekend.  
I thought I had ground off the anodizing as well as the chrome, but the welds 
let loose at PnP yesterday.  I could not get the cluster or wheels.  

Back at home I really went to town grinding to really bare metal and laid the 
welds down layer upon layer so I had a bulging knob when I was done.  This 
morning I hit another PnP and was able to liberate both a Steering wheel that 
is complete and a spare cluster.  And another set of M117 valve covers I am 
going to attempt to polish to a mirror sheen.

clay



On Apr 4, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Most of welding isn't welding, it's fitup. My welding is fair, my fitup is 
> terrible.
> 
> 
> The last couple days I've been soldering a lot of lantern bits. Maybe in the 
> morning I'll tell the tale.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 
> Date:Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:05 PM
> Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> I don't need to learn anything about welding - I know Dimitri.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>> 
>> That is government logic.  put a welder fixing teeth.  Use the dentist as
>> a tanker or a gunner.  Andrew get a gov'ment check.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, we could do it.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers



Wish I was closer, I'd take a crack at it under your tutelage...


Curt

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From:"WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Date:Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:30 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

Yep, they do have welding, construction, dental assistant, mechanics,
nursing and many other programs at the Com. College about 2 miles from 
here.

'Still have all of my original teeth, 'cept wisdom 4, and in excellent
condition with appropriate fillings and crowns - just need an able-bodied
somebody with some common sense willing to listen, learn and get some
practical experience repairing dry wall and plaster. Again, I don't need a
plasterer; 'don't even need a dry-waller. I've repaired a lot of plaster
walls and ceilings, but I'm NOT a plasterer; I've installed and repaired a
significant amount of drywall, too, but I'm NOT a dry-waller.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers



Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?

RB

On 04/04/2016 4:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

They may be able to fix teeth as well.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Yep, local Com. College, thanks for reminder.

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Wilton writes:
‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher 
if

he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my

instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn

something useful for himself for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past.
Our
school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
welder. Imagine that.



The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which
Wilton
should look.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Most of welding isn't welding, it's fitup. My welding is fair, my fitup is 
terrible.


The last couple days I've been soldering a lot of lantern bits. Maybe in the 
morning I'll tell the tale.


Curt

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From:"Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 
Date:Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:05 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

I don't need to learn anything about welding - I know Dimitri.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?
>>
>> RB
>>
>
> That is government logic.  put a welder fixing teeth.  Use the dentist as
> a tanker or a gunner.  Andrew get a gov'ment check.
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I don't need to learn anything about welding - I know Dimitri.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?
>>
>> RB
>>
>
> That is government logic.   put a welder fixing teeth.  Use the dentist as
> a tanker or a gunner.  Andrew get a gov'ment check.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Wish I was closer, I'd take a crack at it under your tutelage...


Curt

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From:"WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Date:Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:30 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

Yep, they do have welding, construction, dental assistant, mechanics, 
nursing and many other programs at the Com. College about 2 miles from here. 
'Still have all of my original teeth, 'cept wisdom 4, and in excellent 
condition with appropriate fillings and crowns - just need an able-bodied 
somebody with some common sense willing to listen, learn and get some 
practical experience repairing dry wall and plaster.  Again, I don't need a 
plasterer; 'don't even need a dry-waller.  I've repaired a lot of plaster 
walls and ceilings, but I'm NOT a plasterer; I've installed and repaired a 
significant amount of drywall, too, but I'm NOT a dry-waller.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


> Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?
>
> RB
>
> On 04/04/2016 4:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> They may be able to fix teeth as well.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, local Com. College, thanks for reminder.
>>>
>>> Wilt
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: "Craig" <diese...@pisquared.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wilton writes:
>>>>>> ‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if
>>>>>>> he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my
>>>>>>>> instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn
>>>>>>>>> something useful for himself for the rest of his life.
>>>>> Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. 
>>>>> Our
>>>>> school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
>>>>> class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
>>>>> welder. Imagine that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
>>>> classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which 
>>>> Wilton
>>>> should look.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?

RB


That is government logic.   put a welder fixing teeth.  Use the 
dentist as a tanker or a gunner.  Andrew get a gov'ment check.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ya, but . . . most of those universities are government agencies, and they
are "helping the poor" byt providing guinea pigs for the students. Yes.
it's usually a win-win situation, but sometimes the patient comes out on
the short end.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> ‎I do realize you're trolling, but believe it or not, universities with
> dental programs do take indigent patients. Some law schools also take cases
> for those less fortunate.
>
> Helping the poor without government intervention and interference. What a
> concept.
>
> 
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 04/04/2016 4:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Andy sez :

Wilton writes:
‎>> Yep, local Com. College, thanks >>for reminder.

‎>They may be able to fix teeth as >well.

‎I do realize you're trolling, but believe it or not, universities with dental 
programs do take indigent patients. Some law schools also take cases for those 
less fortunate.

Helping the poor without government intervention and interference. What a 
concept.



Rick
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Yes, just giving Andrew a hard time.

The local University here will let folks sign up to have students work 
on their teeth (supervised by Dentistry Professors of course).


RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, they do have welding, construction, dental assistant, mechanics, 
nursing and many other programs at the Com. College about 2 miles from here. 
'Still have all of my original teeth, 'cept wisdom 4, and in excellent 
condition with appropriate fillings and crowns - just need an able-bodied 
somebody with some common sense willing to listen, learn and get some 
practical experience repairing dry wall and plaster.  Again, I don't need a 
plasterer; 'don't even need a dry-waller.  I've repaired a lot of plaster 
walls and ceilings, but I'm NOT a plasterer; I've installed and repaired a 
significant amount of drywall, too, but I'm NOT a dry-waller.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers



Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?

RB

On 04/04/2016 4:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

They may be able to fix teeth as well.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


Yep, local Com. College, thanks for reminder.

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Wilton writes:

‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if

he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my

instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn

something useful for himself for the rest of his life.
Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. 
Our

school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
welder. Imagine that.



The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which 
Wilton

should look.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andy sez :

Wilton writes:
‎>> Yep, local Com. College, thanks >>for reminder.

‎>They may be able to fix teeth as >well.

‎I do realize you're trolling, but believe it or not, universities with dental 
programs do take indigent patients. Some law schools also take cases for those 
less fortunate. 

Helping the poor without government intervention and interference. What a 
concept. 



Rick 
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Why would you let a welder work on your teeth?

RB

On 04/04/2016 4:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

They may be able to fix teeth as well.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


Yep, local Com. College, thanks for reminder.

Wilt

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes

<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Wilton writes:

‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if

he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my

instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn

something useful for himself for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. Our
school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
welder. Imagine that.



The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which Wilton
should look.


Craig

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

They may be able to fix teeth as well.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Yep, local Com. College, thanks for reminder.
>
> Wilt
>
> - Original Message - From: "Craig via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Craig" <diese...@pisquared.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>
>
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wilton writes:
>>>
>>> >‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if
>>> >>he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my
>>> >>>instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn
>>> >>>>something useful for himself for the rest of his life.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. Our
>>> school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
>>> class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
>>> welder. Imagine that.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
>> classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which Wilton
>> should look.
>>
>>
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Yep, local Com. College, thanks for reminder.

Wilt

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Wilton writes:

>‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if
>>he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my
>>>instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn
>>>>something useful for himself for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. Our
school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
welder. Imagine that.



The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which Wilton
should look.


Craig

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Craig sez:

>The community college in Los >Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) >has welding classes 
>that are well >attended. Perhaps that's the level >at which Wilton should look.

Well, Wilton needs a paint prep/ painter ‎not a welder, but perhaps someone at 
the local community college that has a building trades program could help. 

I was just using my son's vocational experience as a reference.

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:35:50 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wilton writes:
> 
> >‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if
> >>he can recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my
> >>>instructions to get ‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn
> something useful for himself for the rest of his life.
> 
> Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. Our
> school still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding
> class, and after some years of "finding himself", is now working as a
> welder. Imagine that.


The community college in Los Alamos (aka UNM-Los Alamos) has welding
classes that are well attended. Perhaps that's the level at which Wilton
should look.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No it's not under warranty anymore.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 1:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is this washer still under warranty?  Maybe there is a recall?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Wilton writes:

>‎BTW, I'm considering asking local >high school vocational teacher if >he can 
>recommend a 17-year-old >who will listen to and follow my >instructions to get 
>‎what I need >done and, at same time, learn >something useful for himself for 
>the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, most HS vocational programs are a thing of the past. Our school 
still has them though. My son went for a vocational welding class, and after 
some years of "finding himself", is now working as a welder. Imagine that.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is this washer still under warranty?  Maybe there is a recall?

-
Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

SWMBO insists on washing the dishes in hot  soapy water by hand BEFORE
loading them into the dw.  They never  get any cleaner...

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Kaleb,
> Have you checked for any "kinks" or restrictions in your drain hose? It
> might not be able to completely drain the wash cycle before the rinse cycle
> starts, hence leaving food particles for the rinse cycle to circulate. Just
> trying to think of anything.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
Have you checked for any "kinks" or restrictions in your drain hose? It might 
not be able to completely drain the wash cycle before the rinse cycle starts, 
hence leaving food particles for the rinse cycle to circulate. Just trying to 
think of anything. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curt, et all-o'-yer.
We used to have a built in dishwasher, but he died (Pop), so I have been doing 
dishes by hand ever since.
At 4pm-ish the sun is usually shining in the window and I'm not being bothered 
by any one, hands in warm water, sun, blue sky= therapy.
Besides, no woman ever shot a man whilst he was washing the dishes!
YMMV

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 04 April 2016 14:14
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

So at what point is using a dishwasher more work than just washing the dishes 
by hand? Granted theres only two of us but we rarely use the dishwasher. It 
takes more time to fill the darn thing than it does to just wash 'em...
We've got a 30+ year old washer, I think its a Kenmore. Does a fine job, the 
only time I ever needed to mess with it was the time Angie couldn't get the top 
rack to close. I pulled the rack out and discovered she'd put a knife in it 
that was sticking out the back...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Years ago I was building a video studio for my employer. We'd decided to paint 
one wall green in case we wanted to do some chromakey work. I explained to the 
guy that it was important that the wall be flat and the paint be 
non-reflective.He spent half a day getting it flat, he finally made a sanding 
block out of 4 feet of 2x6. You couldn't find an imperfection on that wall 
anywhere. The paint was perfect too, he put on 3 coats in the second half of 
the day and you couldn't see any lap lines or drips or anything. That guy was a 
real expert.
-Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: WILTON <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
 Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
   
While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best painter 
anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "'Mitch Haley'" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


> We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
> told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had 
> a drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the 
> heap.
>
>
>
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch 
> Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>
>
>
>
>
> Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. 
> Some guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of 
> expertise, your painter can't.
>
>
>
> Mitch.
>
>
>
>
>
> On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:
>
> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
> understand
> what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
> realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Don't forget Leo Nardo.

-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 4:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
   
Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
> the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
> Michael Angelo . . .
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

So at what point is using a dishwasher more work than just washing the dishes 
by hand? Granted theres only two of us but we rarely use the dishwasher. It 
takes more time to fill the darn thing than it does to just wash 'em...
We've got a 30+ year old washer, I think its a Kenmore. Does a fine job, the 
only time I ever needed to mess with it was the time Angie couldn't get the top 
rack to close. I pulled the rack out and discovered she'd put a knife in it 
that was sticking out the back...
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
 Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
   
Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says and 
everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in without 
prerinse.

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dishes get scraped and rinsed.  Water heater is set for 140F.
> 
> Pots and pans are all commercial grade aluminum, they never see the inside of 
> a dishwasher.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
>> having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a 
>> septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food 
>> off pans and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is 
>> your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be 
>> involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of 
>> operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes is does have the heating element and when opening the door the interior 
steams a ton and is very hot. On all the stuff I have seen on line videos and 
such with washers with this problem it seems to be a fairly simple fix which 
involves taking apart stuff below the wash arms down to the chopper. All the 
videos are if your typical maytag/whirlpool/kitchenaid. Mine is different. The 
wash arm and all the stuff under it requires no tools to remove. Everything 
snaps off and as far as I can go is down to a little filter like assembly (it's 
not really a filter but just seems to catch big stuff). There is nothing else 
to remove and no screws or covers to remove like other models I have seen so 
whatever inside that may be plugged up appears you have to either replace the 
whole pump assembly or take the thing out of the cabinet and take apart from 
underneath. 

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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 7:22 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> Does your have a round heating element in the bottom? I think mine does and 
> it seems to add extra heat to the water. If I open the door during washing, 
> it steams like crazy, so it's really hot water washing the dishes. Maybe 
> there's a fuse blown on the unit or something. Mine is just a 110 unit with a 
> regular plug that plugs into a prewired outlet under the sink. Hate to see 
> you spend a bunch of money when it still might be something simple. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

erior walls torn out, everything. It went 
>>> back on the market I think they got foreclosed on or something. I went and 
>>> saw it then. A few years later it was back on the market after somebody had 
>>> completely redone it. We went and looked at it and it was priced in mid to 
>>> upper 200s but the floor plan inside was completely different, it was just 
>>> like walking into a brand new cookie cutter house. They totally ruined the 
>>> charm of the house, it was very very sad.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:53 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
>>>> everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best 
>>>> painter anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.
>>>> 
>>>> Wilton
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> To: "'Mitch Haley'" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "'Mercedes Discussion 
>>>> List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> Cc: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
>>>>> told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had 
>>>>> a drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the 
>>>>> heap.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch 
>>>>> Haley via Mercedes
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. 
>>>>> Some guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of 
>>>>> expertise, your painter can't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mitch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>>>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
>>>>> understand
>>>>> what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
>>>>> realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
Does your have a round heating element in the bottom? I think mine does and it 
seems to add extra heat to the water. If I open the door during washing, it 
steams like crazy, so it's really hot water washing the dishes. Maybe there's a 
fuse blown on the unit or something. Mine is just a 110 unit with a regular 
plug that plugs into a prewired outlet under the sink. Hate to see you spend a 
bunch of money when it still might be something simple. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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quot;'Mitch Haley'" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers



We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter told 
me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had a drivers’ 
license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the heap.



From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley 
via Mercedes
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Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers





Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your 
painter can't.



Mitch.





On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com 
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:

Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not long after we were married, we had the opportunity to buy an Andrew 
Carnegie library built in the 1930s in the neighborhood where the wife grew up. 
 Beautiful place, brick exterior with columns, huge interior, etc.  Here is a 
link to a Street view of it on the right:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4816306,-86.0526114,3a,75y,270h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s304l4nek7OJ4GpnO5H0Gbw!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1

City wanted to sell it and couldn’t find a buyer for over two years.  The price 
in 1980 dollars was $40,000.  It was in great physical shape and was a huge 
space inside, with the main floor being pretty much one giant open room and the 
lower level being separate rooms with a big kitchen in one of them.

Wife wouldn’t go for it.  A few months later the city sold it to a developer 
who made $150k condos out of it.

Dan


> On Apr 4, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Boy I would sure love to hear some Wilton stories about restoring mansions. I 
> have always wanted to do that. In fact many years ago we had the chance to 
> buy an old mansion like house that belonged to a local dr. Was an early 1900s 
> was not Victorian, but it slips the mind what style they called it. Colonial 
> maybe. We could have picked it up for something like 60k, had the loan all 
> lined out etc but for whatever reason we didn't do it. It's main issues were 
> pluming to the upstairs bathroom. 
> Several years before that there was and old Victorian that was for sale for a 
> long time that belonged to a school teacher that died. At the time is was 
> pretty much original, had all original hardwood floors all thru the house, 
> original interior walls, bathrooms and such. I think it got down to like $85k 
> and was finally sold. This was in the late 90s when I knew nothing about 
> buying real estate. Whoever bought it completely gutted the interior. I mean 
> completely gutted, all interior walls torn out, everything. It went back on 
> the market I think they got foreclosed on or something. I went and saw it 
> then. A few years later it was back on the market after somebody had 
> completely redone it. We went and looked at it and it was priced in mid to 
> upper 200s but the floor plan inside was completely different, it was just 
> like walking into a brand new cookie cutter house. They totally ruined the 
> charm of the house, it was very very sad. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:53 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
>> everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best painter 
>> anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: "'Mitch Haley'" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>> 
>> 
>>> We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
>>> told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had a 
>>> drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the heap.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch 
>>> Haley via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
>>> guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, 
>>> your painter can't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand
>>> what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
>>> realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Boy I would sure love to hear some Wilton stories about restoring mansions. I 
have always wanted to do that. In fact many years ago we had the chance to buy 
an old mansion like house that belonged to a local dr. Was an early 1900s was 
not Victorian, but it slips the mind what style they called it. Colonial maybe. 
We could have picked it up for something like 60k, had the loan all lined out 
etc but for whatever reason we didn't do it. It's main issues were pluming to 
the upstairs bathroom. 
Several years before that there was and old Victorian that was for sale for a 
long time that belonged to a school teacher that died. At the time is was 
pretty much original, had all original hardwood floors all thru the house, 
original interior walls, bathrooms and such. I think it got down to like $85k 
and was finally sold. This was in the late 90s when I knew nothing about buying 
real estate. Whoever bought it completely gutted the interior. I mean 
completely gutted, all interior walls torn out, everything. It went back on the 
market I think they got foreclosed on or something. I went and saw it then. A 
few years later it was back on the market after somebody had completely redone 
it. We went and looked at it and it was priced in mid to upper 200s but the 
floor plan inside was completely different, it was just like walking into a 
brand new cookie cutter house. They totally ruined the charm of the house, it 
was very very sad. 

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:53 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
> everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best painter 
> anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "'Mitch Haley'" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> 
>> We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
>> told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had a 
>> drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the heap.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch 
>> Haley via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
>> guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, 
>> your painter can't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand
>> what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
>> realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
>> 
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[WILTON via Mercedes]

While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best painter 
anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.


Wilton

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To: "'Mitch Haley'" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Cc: "Scott Ritchey" <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
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We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had 
a drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the 
heap.




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Haley via Mercedes

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Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers





Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. 
Some guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of 
expertise, your painter can't.




Mitch.





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<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:


Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
understand

what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.

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[WILTON via Mercedes]

I did the same with a portable DW in a rental house 35 years ago.  Gave the 
cutting board to to a daughter, who used it for many years.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


I bought a portable in 1980 and installed it as a built-in.  We still use 
that butcher block maple top on another cabinet that has been moved house 
to house.


Someplace I still have  the casters in a box.

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in early 
to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the kitchen sink 
faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old school with the big 
chrome push buttons and such.  It still works great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use 
SUN

brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, 
a

full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea I use the cascade complete powder. I checked it all during the cycles
> and it was draining. And water was very hot the whole time. So I'm really
> not sure what to think.
>

I think you need to find a 20 year old KitchenAid.  ;)

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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea I use the cascade complete powder. I checked it all during the cycles and 
it was draining. And water was very hot the whole time. So I'm really not sure 
what to think.

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:15 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> That picture looks really bad. Are you using powder Cascade? I've tried the 
> liquid versions and didn't get as good results. It almost looks like your 
> rinse is using cold water instead of hot, but your DW should only be getting 
> hot water, correct? Maybe it's not fully draining before it goes to the 
> rinse. I only use the "normal" cycle on my Maytag. I've never found a need 
> for the pots/pans cycle. Again, my whole house filter was a cheap way to 
> filter everything in the house (commode tanks, ice maker, washer, dishwasher, 
> etc.). And I may have soft water where some of you may be fighting with hard 
> water or water with chemicals, etc. 
> Just some thoughts... 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Well, if they don't get clean in the bottom rack the machine has a problem.
I have no experience with DW innards; it may be trivial or unfixable.  A new
machine is expensive but a fairly expensive fix.  Good luck.

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> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> Yes it does and I have thought of that but when I open the door while it's
> running the thing is spinning. I have checked all the connections where it
> slides in the back with the rack pushed in and all appears good
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Kaleb, Just a random thought:  does your machine have one of those
> > spinning arms to spray the upper rack?  Is it possible the water feed
> > for that arm isn't sealing with the top rack pushed in?
> >
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[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
That picture looks really bad. Are you using powder Cascade? I've tried the 
liquid versions and didn't get as good results. It almost looks like your rinse 
is using cold water instead of hot, but your DW should only be getting hot 
water, correct? Maybe it's not fully draining before it goes to the rinse. I 
only use the "normal" cycle on my Maytag. I've never found a need for the 
pots/pans cycle. Again, my whole house filter was a cheap way to filter 
everything in the house (commode tanks, ice maker, washer, dishwasher, etc.). 
And I may have soft water where some of you may be fighting with hard water or 
water with chemicals, etc. 
Just some thoughts... 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes it does and I have thought of that but when I open the door while it's 
running the thing is spinning. I have checked all the connections where it 
slides in the back with the rack pushed in and all appears good

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Kaleb, Just a random thought:  does your machine have one of those spinning
> arms to spray the upper rack?  Is it possible the water feed for that arm
> isn't sealing with the top rack pushed in?
> 
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Kaleb, Just a random thought:  does your machine have one of those spinning
arms to spray the upper rack?  Is it possible the water feed for that arm
isn't sealing with the top rack pushed in?


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I just ran those again on the bottom rack and some of them came clean but 
those 2 did not, just got done scrubbing them by hand and put back on the 
washer to tonight's dinner load. I will probably be installing a Bosch tomorrow.

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Way ugly.  Something ain't right, but what?  The only thing that occurs to
> me is water isn't getting to the top rack.
> 
> Probably not a factor in your case, but recent Consumer Reports says
> pre-rinsing dishes tricks the "dirty" sensor in the newer dishwashers into
> under-washing.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:26 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>> 
>> Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning
> out. I
>> am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does
>> not clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a
>> loss except to replace it.
> 
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter told 
me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had a drivers’ 
license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the heap.

 

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via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
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Cc: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

 

 

Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your 
painter can't. 

 

Mitch. 

 

 

On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com 
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote:

Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand 
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to 
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.

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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Way ugly.  Something ain't right, but what?  The only thing that occurs to
me is water isn't getting to the top rack.

Probably not a factor in your case, but recent Consumer Reports says
pre-rinsing dishes tricks the "dirty" sensor in the newer dishwashers into
under-washing.

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> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin <ka...@striplin.net>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning
out. I
> am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does
> not clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a
> loss except to replace it.



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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have done all that, they are clean.  I'm about sick of messing with 
this thing but sure hate to buy a new one after only a year.



On 4/3/2016 6:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That reminds me of something else we had issues with on the Maytag - the 
nozzles on the spray arms would get clogged with food and I would have to take 
them apart and clean them out.

Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning out. I 
am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does not 
clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a loss except 
to replace it.



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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That reminds me of something else we had issues with on the Maytag - the 
nozzles on the spray arms would get clogged with food and I would have to take 
them apart and clean them out.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning out. 
> I am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does 
> not clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a loss 
> except to replace it.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep this one has the butcher block top, forgot about that.

On 4/3/2016 6:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I bought a portable in 1980 and installed it as a built-in.  We still 
use that butcher block maple top on another cabinet that has been 
moved house to house.


Someplace I still have  the casters in a box.

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in 
early to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the 
kitchen sink faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old 
school with the big chrome push buttons and such.  It still works great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I 
use SUN

brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden 
broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili 
dried

on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I bought a portable in 1980 and installed it as a built-in.  We still 
use that butcher block maple top on another cabinet that has been 
moved house to house.


Someplace I still have  the casters in a box.

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in 
early to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the 
kitchen sink faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old 
school with the big chrome push buttons and such.  It still works 
great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


Yabbut, that was when a Kitchenaid was still a Kitchenaid!  For the 
past 10 years or so, they have been a whirlypool with a sticker. 
Yours is last of a breed.


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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Naa, the restaurant is Sam n Ella's

That was standard schtick for Steve Locker on WHO radio, before he retired.



And his buddy Sal Monella, who owns a diner

--R

On 4/3/16 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan


On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
Michael Angelo . . .



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning out. I 
am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does not 
clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a loss except 
to replace it.



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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope.  They say you don’t have to.  For that matter, so did the Maytag….
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But you don't with the Bosch? I took mine apart again, there did not appear 
>> to be anything else I could clean or take apart. This appears to have a 
>> sealed all in one unit with the pump and copper and you can't appear to take 
>> it apart from above. I ran another empty load with a couple of cups of 
>> vinegar earlier. Now it's run with the glasses that won't come clean and a 
>> few other things. Will see how this turns out before heading down to look at 
>> Bosch
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, I've considered that, too.

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you 
to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back 
like

Michael Angelo . . .

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word
I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more.  'Needing some
repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house.
Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to
understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He
doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I 
did
a LOT of this stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic 
Places

mansions here in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years
ago.  If I could get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very
simply - reattach some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster
where the plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, 
fiberglass
tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the repairs 
disappear.


Wilton







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who

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope.  They say you don’t have to.  For that matter, so did the Maytag….

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But you don't with the Bosch? I took mine apart again, there did not appear 
> to be anything else I could clean or take apart. This appears to have a 
> sealed all in one unit with the pump and copper and you can't appear to take 
> it apart from above. I ran another empty load with a couple of cups of 
> vinegar earlier. Now it's run with the glasses that won't come clean and a 
> few other things. Will see how this turns out before heading down to look at 
> Bosch
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in 
early to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the 
kitchen sink faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old school 
with the big chrome push buttons and such.  It still works great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-
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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

But you don't with the Bosch? I took mine apart again, there did not appear to 
be anything else I could clean or take apart. This appears to have a sealed all 
in one unit with the pump and copper and you can't appear to take it apart from 
above. I ran another empty load with a couple of cups of vinegar earlier. Now 
it's run with the glasses that won't come clean and a few other things. Will 
see how this turns out before heading down to look at Bosch

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We did with the Maytag, with the hope that it had some effect on the outcome.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says 
>> and everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in 
>> without prerinse.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

And his buddy Sal Monella, who owns a diner

--R

On 4/3/16 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
Michael Angelo . . .



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We did with the Maytag, with the hope that it had some effect on the outcome.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says 
> and everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in 
> without prerinse.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says and 
everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in without 
prerinse.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dishes get scraped and rinsed.  Water heater is set for 140F.
> 
> Pots and pans are all commercial grade aluminum, they never see the inside of 
> a dishwasher.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
>> having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a 
>> septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food 
>> off pans and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is 
>> your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be 
>> involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of 
>> operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
> the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
> Michael Angelo . . .
> 


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dishes get scraped and rinsed.  Water heater is set for 140F.

Pots and pans are all commercial grade aluminum, they never see the inside of a 
dishwasher.

Dan

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
> having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a 
> septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food 
> off pans and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is 
> your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be 
> involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of 
> operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Just a couple of suggestions. First, don't know whether you have 
"hard or soft" water. I've only used Cascade powder since my Maytag 
was new. I never use rinse agents, so I've never used that 
capability on the Maytag. Second, when I built my house, I installed 
an inline GE whole house water filter. I change the filter once per 
year (just the wife and I). So maybe my filter helps temper the 
water. I've always found water spotting on glassware to be more a 
function of the detergent and less a problem with the dishwasher.

Just some extra thoughts.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


Right on!  Hard water can make a difference and so does cascade vs 
whatever is cheep at wallyland.


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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
Michael Angelo . . .

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word
> I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more.  'Needing some
> repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house.
> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to
> understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He
> doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I did
> a LOT of this stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic Places
> mansions here in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years
> ago.  If I could get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very
> simply - reattach some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster
> where the plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, fiberglass
> tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the repairs disappear.
>
> Wilton
>
>
>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Zackly; 'wasn't born yesterday, was I?

BTW, I'm considering asking local high school vocational teacher if he can 
recommend a 17-year-old who will listen to and follow my instructions to get 
what I need done and, at same time, learn something useful for himself for 
the rest of his life.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


>Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word 
>I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more. 'Needing some 
>repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house. 
>Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
>understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He 
>doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I 
>did a LOT of this stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic 
>Places mansions here in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 
>years ago.  If I could get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them 
>very simply - reattach some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out 
>plaster where the plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, 
>fiberglass tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the 
>repairs disappear.


Wilton


Very clear and easy to understand to me.THey get a bigger bill if they 
make it more extensive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Just a couple of suggestions. First, don't know whether you have "hard or soft" 
water. I've only used Cascade powder since my Maytag was new. I never use rinse 
agents, so I've never used that capability on the Maytag. Second, when I built 
my house, I installed an inline GE whole house water filter. I change the 
filter once per year (just the wife and I). So maybe my filter helps temper the 
water. I've always found water spotting on glassware to be more a function of 
the detergent and less a problem with the dishwasher. 
Just some extra thoughts. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, 
and that's especially noticeable with glassware.


Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it's 
not necessarily the dishwasher's fault. We use a rinse agent with 
the Bosch, which we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag 
didn't give you the ability to adjust the "dose" so it went through 
the stuff like mad.


Don't buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for 
around $600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and 
more (useless) functions on the controls.  There's no clear benefit 
in my mind for buying the more expensive models.


Dan


That has been true with DWs for 40-50 years.  The working parts are 
all the same.  the fluff is fancier in the expensive one.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a 
word I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more. 
'Needing some repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places 
around the house. Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and 
painting can't seem to understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 
'bout the repairs.  He doesn't seem to realize that I know what the 
Hell I'm talking about.  I did a LOT of this stuff restoring two 
1875 National Register of Historic Places mansions here in town 30 
years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years ago.  If I could get 
up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very simply - reattach 
some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster where the 
plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, fiberglass 
tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the repairs 
disappear.


Wilton


Very clear and easy to understand to me.THey get a bigger bill if 
they make it more extensive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of 
you are having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the 
dishwasher? I'm on a septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in 
the trash. I clear most food off pans and plates. I don't have any 
problems with the door areas. Also, is your hot water set high 
enough? Just curious if other factors may be involved. Again, I 
cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of operation and 
found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


Or maybe you use cascade and the others don't.

Way back when I went to a fridgiare appliance school and they flat 
out told us that if the customer did not use cascade in the DW, they 
WOULD have problems.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Bosch and Benz

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Bosch at New Bern, NC, on down US 70 east of Kinston.  Electrolux, 
Frigidaire, AEG and possibly some others at Kinston.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Bosch and Benz


I vaguely recall that Bosch dishwashers are built in NC somewhere, so 
merkun-built, for whatever that is worth.


MB are expanding the Sprinter factory in the area, on Friday I went to 
pick up my wife's packet for the local bridge run, which she did not do, 
and they had an "expo" at the place with various vendors. MB were there 
trying to recruit workers and had some cheepchinee swag to give away which 
I got for mama.  Boeing, Volvo, and MB all going after local workers, 
which is interesting.


--R

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[WILTON via Mercedes]

Right, though he claims to know all about it.  This job does not need a 
plasterer nor a dry-waller - just somebody with some common sense and willing 
to listen to me, who can easily tell such a person how to do it and even 
broaden his/her skill set.  I'd bet that I could teach any of "youse guys" to 
do it very well in far less than an hour.

  Wilton
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  Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your 
painter can't. 





  Mitch. 








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Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
understand 
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to 
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Bosch and Benz

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I vaguely recall that Bosch dishwashers are built in NC somewhere, so 
merkun-built, for whatever that is worth.


MB are expanding the Sprinter factory in the area, on Friday I went to 
pick up my wife's packet for the local bridge run, which she did not do, 
and they had an "expo" at the place with various vendors. MB were there 
trying to recruit workers and had some cheepchinee swag to give away 
which I got for mama.  Boeing, Volvo, and MB all going after local 
workers, which is interesting.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your painter can't. Mitch. On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On April 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM rogerhga--- via Mercedes  wrote:Curly, I totally agree about the energy rating, especially on refrigerators. My current one required a new compressor, fortunately before going out of warranty. The repair guy said the companies are undersizing the compressor to get better energy ratings, but as such, the compressor wears out sooner because it has to run too much since it's too small. Any of the pros at HVAC-TALK would probably tell you the opposite, oversized compressors cycle themselves to death. It's more the number of power cycles per hour than the running minutes per hour that matters. My parents' Coldspot freezer, still running when retired last month, is one example. It had been running constantly (except for power failures, annual defrostings, and 6 relocations) since my brother broke the temperature knob off of it in 1959. Yes, it was worn, yes, it clattered horribly (not sure if the clatter was internal or from worn out mounts) upon restart after a power failure, but it was made to last and it did, and the fact that it only had a couple of hundred starts in the past 50 years probably added decades to its life. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We do use the rinse stuff in the maytag as well.  It does allow you to 
adjust the amount going in, maybe I have it set too low.  I think I may 
pull the drain line and see if maybe it is plugged up,  and maybe pull 
the thing apart again but as I mentioned it seems with the Bosch with 
just a simple filter system there would not be a need to have to take 
things apart all the time to clean them out.


On 4/3/2016 10:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, and that’s 
especially noticeable with glassware.

Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it’s not 
necessarily the dishwasher’s fault. We use a rinse agent with the Bosch, which 
we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag didn’t give you the ability to 
adjust the “dose” so it went through the stuff like mad.

Don’t buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for around 
$600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and more (useless) 
functions on the controls.  There’s no clear benefit in my mind for buying the 
more expensive models.

Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo diesel 
powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on the top of the 
line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever leave deposits on your 
glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem I have having now.  I have 
had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at the time Kitchen Aid in the other 
house would do it until you took the thing apart and cleaned it out.  This one 
is now doing it and still doing it even after taking it apart. I am thinking 
with this Maytag perhaps I need to further disassemble it and maybe there is 
even more that needs to be cleaned.  I am starting to think that these hard 
food disposals chop everything up and after a while they start leaving that 
fine chopped up food on the dishes especially in the top rack.  Where as with 
the filter models like Bosch its not chopping up stuff fine which would lead to 
the internal works getting gummed up, it all gets trapped by the filters which 
are easy to clean.  This is my theory anyway.



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

+1

We bought ours from H.H. Gregg, a semi-national appliance store.  $629.00, free 
delivery, free haul away of the old one, a Bosch $35 rebate, and 18 months same 
as cash.  Hell, let them carry the paper.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check with an appliance store. Before I finally figured out the issue with 
> our fridge I priced Lowe's, then checked out an appliance shop, he had a 
> better price on a better fridge and a better selection.
> 
> 
> I hate Lowe's and Home Depot. Wet wood and cheap crap staffed with no nothing 
> employees...
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, and that’s 
especially noticeable with glassware.

Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it’s not 
necessarily the dishwasher’s fault. We use a rinse agent with the Bosch, which 
we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag didn’t give you the ability to 
adjust the “dose” so it went through the stuff like mad. 

Don’t buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for around 
$600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and more (useless) 
functions on the controls.  There’s no clear benefit in my mind for buying the 
more expensive models.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
> diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on the top 
> of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever leave 
> deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem I have 
> having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at the time 
> Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the thing apart and 
> cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still doing it even after 
> taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag perhaps I need to further 
> disassemble it and maybe there is even more that needs to be cleaned.  I am 
> starting to think that these hard food disposals chop everything up and after 
> a while they start leaving that fine chopped up food on the dishes especially 
> in the top rack.  Where as with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping 
> up stuff fine which would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it 
> all gets trapped by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory 
> anyway.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, and that’s 
especially noticeable with glassware.

Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it’s not 
necessarily the dishwasher’s fault. We use a rinse agent with the Bosch, which 
we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag didn’t give you the ability to 
adjust the “dose” so it went through the stuff like mad. 

Don’t buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for around 
$600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and more (useless) 
functions on the controls.  There’s no clear benefit in my mind for buying the 
more expensive models.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
> diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on the top 
> of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever leave 
> deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem I have 
> having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at the time 
> Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the thing apart and 
> cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still doing it even after 
> taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag perhaps I need to further 
> disassemble it and maybe there is even more that needs to be cleaned.  I am 
> starting to think that these hard food disposals chop everything up and after 
> a while they start leaving that fine chopped up food on the dishes especially 
> in the top rack.  Where as with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping 
> up stuff fine which would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it 
> all gets trapped by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory 
> anyway.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Yup. Had a 4.5 yr old stainless GE dishwasher stop cleaning well in a rental 
unit. Did all the basic troubleshooting stuff myself. It didn't fix problem so 
I just took it out and replaced with a new one. I'm not paying minimum of $200 
plus for a service call when I can buy a new machine for under $500. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Around here, the cost of a service call can easily exceed fifty percent of 
> the cost of a new appliance.  If I can't fix myself, I buy a new appliance.  
> If repair info is difficult or impossible to find, I won't buy that brand.
> 
> We bought a Samsung refrigerator about seven or eight years ago, had the 
> control panel replaced under warranty (which would cost about 1/3 of the 
> purchase cost if paid out of pocket, once you add labor it's time for a new 
> refrigerator in my book).  The filtered water function has died, didn't use 
> that much anyway so that hasn't been addressed, but other than that it has 
> performed extremely well.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On April 3, 2016 12:32:39 AM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I
>> installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago
>> Maytag did a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free.
>> Last Summer, (16 years old) after reading an article on line, I took
>> mine apart to clean the screens, etc. There was minimal material in the
>> screens to remove. I use Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit
>> isn't the quietest, but it's fast and efficient. I guess the newer
>> Maytags may have problems, but then it seems that most newer appliances
>> do (made in China, trying to get a high energy rating, etc.). 
>> I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have
>> an appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to
>> repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his
>> limitations. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We scrape off the plates in the trash then put them in the washer, which 
is what you are supposed to do.  The deposits we are getting is 
basically a gritty/food substance stuck on the inside of the glasses in 
the top rack.


On 4/3/2016 10:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are having. Do you 
put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a septic tank system, so I put all 
grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food off pans and plates. I don't have any problems 
with the door areas. Also, is your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other 
factors may be involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 
years of operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Check with an appliance store. Before I finally figured out the issue with our 
fridge I priced Lowe's, then checked out an appliance shop, he had a better 
price on a better fridge and a better selection.


I hate Lowe's and Home Depot. Wet wood and cheap crap staffed with no nothing 
employees...


Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From:"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
Date:Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:21 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on 
the top of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever 
leave deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem 
I have having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at 
the time Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the 
thing apart and cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still 
doing it even after taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag 
perhaps I need to further disassemble it and maybe there is even more 
that needs to be cleaned.  I am starting to think that these hard food 
disposals chop everything up and after a while they start leaving that 
fine chopped up food on the dishes especially in the top rack.  Where as 
with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping up stuff fine which 
would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it all gets trapped 
by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory anyway.

On 4/3/2016 9:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Not so far, but we’ve only had it about a month.
>
> The Maytag was flat out nasty in this regard.  If I didn’t clean it about 
> every two weeks, it would get really foul smelling and disgusting from the 
> buildup of this goop.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which 
>> are whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge 
>> area that is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the 
>> slide is caked up with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I think they're made near here at Kinston, NC.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


Maytag is no longer Maytag.  Nothing is left at Newton, IA but empty 
buildings.  Someone is rebuilding wind turbines in one part of it. 
Maytag is a fridgidaire with a different sticker.


40 yrs ago I worked on a 20 yr old Kitchenaid DW.  It was well built 
compared to the major brands of the time.  I was impressed.  In 1980, 
I built a house and put in a kitchenaid.  It is still in the house.


Kitchenaid is no longer kitchenaid.  It is fridgidaire with a 
different sticker.


between the goobermnt interference and the quest for energy ratings, 
pretty much all appliances are junk.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a septic 
tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food off pans 
and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is your hot 
water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be involved. Again, I 
cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of operation and found no 
similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word 
I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more.  'Needing some 
repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house. 
Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand 
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He doesn't seem to 
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I did a LOT of this 
stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic Places mansions here 
in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years ago.  If I could 
get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very simply - reattach some 
loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster where the plaster is too 
bad for the screws, patch with drywall, fiberglass tape and/or sheathing and 
joint compound and paint - the repairs disappear.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I 
installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago Maytag 
did a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free. Last Summer, 
(16 years old) after reading an article on line, I took mine apart to 
clean the screens, etc. There was minimal material in the screens to 
remove. I use Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit isn't the 
quietest, but it's fast and efficient. I guess the newer Maytags may have 
problems, but then it seems that most newer appliances do (made in China, 
trying to get a high energy rating, etc.).
I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have an 
appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to 
repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his 
limitations.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on 
the top of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever 
leave deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem 
I have having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at 
the time Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the 
thing apart and cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still 
doing it even after taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag 
perhaps I need to further disassemble it and maybe there is even more 
that needs to be cleaned.  I am starting to think that these hard food 
disposals chop everything up and after a while they start leaving that 
fine chopped up food on the dishes especially in the top rack.  Where as 
with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping up stuff fine which 
would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it all gets trapped 
by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory anyway.


On 4/3/2016 9:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not so far, but we’ve only had it about a month.

The Maytag was flat out nasty in this regard.  If I didn’t clean it about every 
two weeks, it would get really foul smelling and disgusting from the buildup of 
this goop.

Dan


On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which are 
whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge area that 
is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the slide is caked up 
with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch?

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curly, 
I totally agree about the energy rating, especially on refrigerators. My 
current one required a new compressor, fortunately before going out of 
warranty. The repair guy said the companies are undersizing the compressor to 
get better energy ratings, but as such, the compressor wears out sooner because 
it has to run too much since it's too small. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Zackly

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


We have a Whirlpool "Quiet Partner I", which was about $200 a few years 
ago.  Quieter than the 1994 Maytag it replaced, but not terribly quiet. 
Plastic tub.  No filters, not many options, just gets the job done.


I don't remember which brands make repair info available to home owners, 
but I think that is important.  I think it is very hard to find repair 
info for Maytag appliances.


Kitchen appliances are very simple compared to our beloved cars.  There's 
no good reason we shouldn't also fix our own appliances (if we want to).

--
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I think Bosch gets the top rating.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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1990 300D
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On Apr 2, 2016 7:35 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So when we moved into this house I put in all new appliances which are all
> matching Maytag from the same series.  This dishwasher is/was the top of
> the line Maytag (at the time, not sure if it still is or not).  It has a
> hard food disposal which should get rid of pretty much everything but it
> has a series of different sorts of screens under the spray arm and down
> into the sump.  I pretty much have to make sure there is not a single
> kernel of corn or green bean on a plate before putting it in the dishwasher
> because when its done such items will be down in the bottom of the washer,
> not even sucked down to where they would be chopped up by the disposal.  If
> you take all this off there is another sort of screen assembly deal that
> catches all sorts of crap.  Long story short I do not see how food
> particles would even make it past all this to be chopped up by the
> chopper.  I pretty much have to pull everything apart about once every
> month or 2 and clean all the food particles out.  Lately the top rack is
> not getting clean at all even though I know the top spray arm is spinning
> etc, its just leaving deposits all over everything.  I pulled everything
> apart again and cleaned it even though I just did it a couple of weeks ago
> and it still does the same thing. I will research further but WOW it sure
> does not seem like you should have to take the dishwasher apart monthly to
> clean it out.  I am starting to seriously consider just buying another one,
> this time maybe a Bosch or something.  I have always looked for washers
> with the disposals and I understand the european models such as Bosch only
> have a filter that you have to clean out.  Since these are designed to be
> cleaned out it seems easier than having to take the dish washer apart
> anyway.  I know several of you swear by Bosch so what is your feedback, or
> anybody elses?  How do these filters compare to the hard food disposals?
> Any thoughts or ideas on my Maytag?  This is the one we have now that is
> about a year and a half old.
>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not so far, but we’ve only had it about a month.

The Maytag was flat out nasty in this regard.  If I didn’t clean it about every 
two weeks, it would get really foul smelling and disgusting from the buildup of 
this goop.

Dan

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which 
> are whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge area 
> that is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the slide is 
> caked up with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch? 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which are 
whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge area that 
is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the slide is caked up 
with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Our Maytag was new in 2010, installed when the former owner replaced all of 
> the kitchen appliances.
> 
> It didn't clean well and had an issue with the buildup of gunk at the door 
> hinge area. We had Maytag check it out on at least two occasions, both of 
> which we were told we weren't removing enough food from the dishes before 
> loading (not true) and we were using the wrong detergent (we changed to their 
> recommended brand when we were told this on the first service call.)
> 
> Cleaning the filter screen was a PITA, and the machine was LOUD.
> 
> When the front panel controls started acting up I didn't even look at it. I 
> yanked it and replaced it with a Bosch.
> 
> I would add that we bought a Maytag range/convection oven that's been hinky 
> for a long time. The bottom oven won't go to the indicated temperature if you 
> change the temperature after initially setting it. Two service calls, can't 
> find the problem, throw hands up and say "Sorry!"
> 
> We just stopped using the lower oven for the most part.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:32 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I 
>> installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago Maytag did 
>> a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free. Last Summer, (16 
>> years old) after reading an article on line, I took mine apart to clean the 
>> screens, etc. There was minimal material in the screens to remove. I use 
>> Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit isn't the quietest, but it's 
>> fast and efficient. I guess the newer Maytags may have problems, but then it 
>> seems that most newer appliances do (made in China, trying to get a high 
>> energy rating, etc.). 
>> I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have an 
>> appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to 
>> repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his 
>> limitations. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I used to search CL for Paykel -CPAP to weed out the breathing machines. Took me about 4 months to get the two dishwashers. About once a year I find something I can't pass up and throw it in the back of the garage, like a washer-dryer set for $150 (now owned by my neighbors) or an Intuitive washer with a broken fin on the agitator for $50 (seller bought a new set when the heating element burned out in the dryer, the appliance store hauled the dryer away for free before he advertised the washer, I could have cried, threw away an Intuitive dryer instead of giving it to me).Mitch. On April 3, 2016 at 8:22 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:I looked for F stuff in the area when we were going to replace the dishwasher, but it’s pretty scarce around here, or so it seems.DanOn Apr 3, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:I've been a Fisher and Paykel fan for about 15 years since I discovered the Ecosmart clothes washer. I was going to buy my Mom a Speed Queen front loader, but then she said she wanted a top loader. A few years later I got her a top loading dryer (this is great, you just pull stuff out of the top ofthe washer and drop it in the top of the dryer, I now have the same setup myself).Back to the subject matter: Ever since that first washer, I've been buying all my FP stuff used. Got a stainless double dishdrawer for $100 used after an F1 Error (water getting out of the tuband into the electronics, usually a lid motor or lid seal issue). Then I found a really ugly onewith no sheet metal on the front on CL for $20. After I bought it, I found out it's a special modelfor cabinetmakers, you're supposed to put your own wood on it to match the cabinets. So nowthe $100 one is for spare parts (the guy who sold me the $20 one said that only one drawerwas safe to use) and the $20 one will go into the kitchen when I build new Cherry fronts forthe cabinets. Mitch.>> On April 2, 2016 at 11:26 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  wrote:>> I think Miele might make one, but it will be double price of a bosch, and>> probably only 1.5x as good. We are going with Fisher and paykel dual>> drawer model next.>>___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Maytag is no longer Maytag.  Nothing is left at Newton, IA but empty 
buildings.  Someone is rebuilding wind turbines in one part of it. 
Maytag is a fridgidaire with a different sticker.


40 yrs ago I worked on a 20 yr old Kitchenaid DW.  It was well built 
compared to the major brands of the time.  I was impressed.  In 1980, 
I built a house and put in a kitchenaid.  It is still in the house.


Kitchenaid is no longer kitchenaid.  It is fridgidaire with a 
different sticker.


between the goobermnt interference and the quest for energy ratings, 
pretty much all appliances are junk.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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Around here, the cost of a service call can easily exceed fifty percent of the 
cost of a new appliance.  If I can't fix myself, I buy a new appliance.  If 
repair info is difficult or impossible to find, I won't buy that brand.

We bought a Samsung refrigerator about seven or eight years ago, had the 
control panel replaced under warranty (which would cost about 1/3 of the 
purchase cost if paid out of pocket, once you add labor it's time for a new 
refrigerator in my book).  The filtered water function has died, didn't use 
that much anyway so that hasn't been addressed, but other than that it has 
performed extremely well.
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On April 3, 2016 12:32:39 AM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I
>installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago
>Maytag did a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free.
>Last Summer, (16 years old) after reading an article on line, I took
>mine apart to clean the screens, etc. There was minimal material in the
>screens to remove. I use Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit
>isn't the quietest, but it's fast and efficient. I guess the newer
>Maytags may have problems, but then it seems that most newer appliances
>do (made in China, trying to get a high energy rating, etc.). 
>I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have
>an appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to
>repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his
>limitations. 
>Best Wishes, 
>Roger 
>Roger Hale 
>Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>Monroe, Ga. 
>770-267-0850 
>www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Got a 20+ year old Kitchenaid with the manual locking lever, clunk push
buttons and all.  Gets stuff nice and clean, never clogs, only problem it's
had since I moved in was the soap dispenser needed a little fine tuning.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I looked for F stuff in the area when we were going to replace the 
dishwasher, but it’s pretty scarce around here, or so it seems.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> I've been a Fisher and Paykel fan for about 15 years since I discovered the 
> Ecosmart clothes washer. 
> 
> I was going to buy my Mom a Speed Queen front loader, but then she said she 
> wanted a top loader. 
> 
> A few years later I got her a top loading dryer (this is great, you just pull 
> stuff out of the top of
> 
> the washer and drop it in the top of the dryer, I now have the same setup 
> myself).
> 
> 
> 
> Back to the subject matter: Ever since that first washer, I've been buying 
> all my FP stuff used. 
> 
> Got a stainless double dishdrawer for $100 used after an F1 Error (water 
> getting out of the tub
> 
> and into the electronics, usually a lid motor or lid seal issue). Then I 
> found a really ugly one
> 
> with no sheet metal on the front on CL for $20. After I bought it, I found 
> out it's a special model
> 
> for cabinetmakers, you're supposed to put your own wood on it to match the 
> cabinets. So now
> 
> the $100 one is for spare parts (the guy who sold me the $20 one said that 
> only one drawer
> was safe to use) and the $20 one will go into the kitchen when I build new 
> Cherry fronts for
> 
> the cabinets. 
> 
> 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> 
>> On April 2, 2016 at 11:26 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I think Miele might make one, but it will be double price of a bosch, and
>> probably only 1.5x as good. We are going with Fisher and paykel dual
>> drawer model next.
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I've been a Fisher and Paykel fan for about 15 years since I discovered the Ecosmart clothes washer. I was going to buy my Mom a Speed Queen front loader, but then she said she wanted a top loader. A few years later I got her a top loading dryer (this is great, you just pull stuff out of the top ofthe washer and drop it in the top of the dryer, I now have the same setup myself).Back to the subject matter: Ever since that first washer, I've been buying all my FP stuff used. Got a stainless double dishdrawer for $100 used after an F1 Error (water getting out of the tuband into the electronics, usually a lid motor or lid seal issue). Then I found a really ugly onewith no sheet metal on the front on CL for $20. After I bought it, I found out it's a special modelfor cabinetmakers, you're supposed to put your own wood on it to match the cabinets. So nowthe $100 one is for spare parts (the guy who sold me the $20 one said that only one drawerwas safe to use) and the $20 one will go into the kitchen when I build new Cherry fronts forthe cabinets. Mitch.On April 2, 2016 at 11:26 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  wrote:I think Miele might make one, but it will be double price of a bosch, andprobably only 1.5x as good. We are going with Fisher and paykel dualdrawer model next.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Our Maytag was new in 2010, installed when the former owner replaced all of the 
kitchen appliances.

It didn't clean well and had an issue with the buildup of gunk at the door 
hinge area. We had Maytag check it out on at least two occasions, both of which 
we were told we weren't removing enough food from the dishes before loading 
(not true) and we were using the wrong detergent (we changed to their 
recommended brand when we were told this on the first service call.)

Cleaning the filter screen was a PITA, and the machine was LOUD.

When the front panel controls started acting up I didn't even look at it. I 
yanked it and replaced it with a Bosch.

I would add that we bought a Maytag range/convection oven that's been hinky for 
a long time. The bottom oven won't go to the indicated temperature if you 
change the temperature after initially setting it. Two service calls, can't 
find the problem, throw hands up and say "Sorry!"

We just stopped using the lower oven for the most part.

Dan


Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:32 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I 
> installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago Maytag did 
> a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free. Last Summer, (16 
> years old) after reading an article on line, I took mine apart to clean the 
> screens, etc. There was minimal material in the screens to remove. I use 
> Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit isn't the quietest, but it's fast 
> and efficient. I guess the newer Maytags may have problems, but then it seems 
> that most newer appliances do (made in China, trying to get a high energy 
> rating, etc.). 
> I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have an 
> appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to 
> repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his 
> limitations. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I 
installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago Maytag did a 
recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free. Last Summer, (16 years 
old) after reading an article on line, I took mine apart to clean the screens, 
etc. There was minimal material in the screens to remove. I use Cascade powder 
for cleaning. Now, this unit isn't the quietest, but it's fast and efficient. I 
guess the newer Maytags may have problems, but then it seems that most newer 
appliances do (made in China, trying to get a high energy rating, etc.). 
I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have an 
appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to 
repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his 
limitations. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We have a Kitcenaid that's several years old that I repaired twice under a
homeowners warranty.  Quiet and cleans well - no food disposal so no
maintenance other than adding the rinse agent.

Be careful - in the old house we bought a Bosch model that was affordable
but found out later it had the SMALL tub.  :(

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bosch make different racks for different countries, but you should be able
>> to order what you need in terms of racks if you do some homework. The one
>> we got in 2010 is still in service but the door itself is flimsy
>> torsionally and the metal at the hinges was giving up, literally cracking.
>> Not impressed. Filters need cleaning and occasional de scale with vinegar.
>> No food grinder. Filters are easily removed. Racks in ours were terrible -
>> none of our dishes fit into that thing efficiently, and the flatware rack
>> was in the back of the bottom rack, which has to be the worst location for
>> it. The wheels fell off the top rack all the time and would get lost if
>> not
>> put back on promptly. Yes it is quiet and energy efficient. Takes two
>> hours
>> to do anything unless you pick quick wash, which turns out to be 90% of
>> what you use the machine for. Not terrible, but I won't be buying another
>> one.
>>
>> I think i mentioned before here, but you should know that Bosch make the
>> dishwashers for all other high end brands also, eg kitchenaid, and
>> thermador and possibly viking/wolf also.  So you can shop around the
>> different brands for the best price on features and rack styles you want.
>>
>> I think Miele might make one, but it will be double price of a bosch, and
>> probably only 1.5x as good. We are going with Fisher  and paykel dual
>> drawer model next.
>>
>
> preiswerter deutscher Zettel
>
> More or less analogous to cheep chinee chit
>
> Or preiswerter deutscher scheiße if you prefer.
>
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[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Bosch make different racks for different countries, but you should be able
to order what you need in terms of racks if you do some homework. The one
we got in 2010 is still in service but the door itself is flimsy
torsionally and the metal at the hinges was giving up, literally cracking.
Not impressed. Filters need cleaning and occasional de scale with vinegar.
No food grinder. Filters are easily removed. Racks in ours were terrible -
none of our dishes fit into that thing efficiently, and the flatware rack
was in the back of the bottom rack, which has to be the worst location for
it. The wheels fell off the top rack all the time and would get lost if not
put back on promptly. Yes it is quiet and energy efficient. Takes two hours
to do anything unless you pick quick wash, which turns out to be 90% of
what you use the machine for. Not terrible, but I won't be buying another
one.

I think i mentioned before here, but you should know that Bosch make the
dishwashers for all other high end brands also, eg kitchenaid, and
thermador and possibly viking/wolf also.  So you can shop around the
different brands for the best price on features and rack styles you want.

I think Miele might make one, but it will be double price of a bosch, and
probably only 1.5x as good. We are going with Fisher  and paykel dual
drawer model next.


preiswerter deutscher Zettel

More or less analogous to cheep chinee chit

Or preiswerter deutscher scheiße if you prefer.

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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

We have a Whirlpool "Quiet Partner I", which was about $200 a few years ago.  
Quieter than the 1994 Maytag it replaced, but not terribly quiet.  Plastic tub. 
 No filters, not many options, just gets the job done.  

I don't remember which brands make repair info available to home owners, but I 
think that is important.  I think it is very hard to find repair info for 
Maytag appliances.

Kitchen appliances are very simple compared to our beloved cars.  There's no 
good reason we shouldn't also fix our own appliances (if we want to).
-- 
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Bosch make different racks for different countries, but you should be able
to order what you need in terms of racks if you do some homework. The one
we got in 2010 is still in service but the door itself is flimsy
torsionally and the metal at the hinges was giving up, literally cracking.
Not impressed. Filters need cleaning and occasional de scale with vinegar.
No food grinder. Filters are easily removed. Racks in ours were terrible -
none of our dishes fit into that thing efficiently, and the flatware rack
was in the back of the bottom rack, which has to be the worst location for
it. The wheels fell off the top rack all the time and would get lost if not
put back on promptly. Yes it is quiet and energy efficient. Takes two hours
to do anything unless you pick quick wash, which turns out to be 90% of
what you use the machine for. Not terrible, but I won't be buying another
one.

I think i mentioned before here, but you should know that Bosch make the
dishwashers for all other high end brands also, eg kitchenaid, and
thermador and possibly viking/wolf also.  So you can shop around the
different brands for the best price on features and rack styles you want.

I think Miele might make one, but it will be double price of a bosch, and
probably only 1.5x as good. We are going with Fisher  and paykel dual
drawer model next.
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I like the hidden controls.  And their racks can be funky and tale a little 
getting used to.

Dan

 
> On Apr 2, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you guys like the hidden controls in the top or the ones with the front 
> controls?  It seems the hidden controls are the popular ones these days.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Do you guys like the hidden controls in the top or the ones with the 
front controls?  It seems the hidden controls are the popular ones these 
days.


On 4/2/2016 7:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Different Bosches come with different racks but the guts are all 
pretty much the same, just with different controls. I bought a Bosch 
off the floor at Lowes and got them to swap the racks for another one 
on the floor, the ones I liked were like the ones on a machine I got 
in Houston.


There are a coupla filters and a thing in the bottom you have to clean 
occasionally but it comes apart pretty easily.


--R

On 4/2/16 7:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Well this maytag is pretty quiet, but I am just so annoyed with 
having to take it apart and clean it out all the time.  I hate to 
ditch it already when its so new but I guess I can just put it out in 
the garage and have it available in case the dishwasher in the rental 
house craps out.  I do like this 3rd top rack on some of the Bosch 
ones I have seen.  How does the filter thing work?  Also, which Bosch 
did you get?


On 4/2/2016 6:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Ditch it like we did and buy a Bosch. You’ll never regret it.  It’s 
so quiet the cat’s purring downs out the sound it makes.  It cleans 
stuff that we used to hand wash because we knew it wouldn’t come 
clean in the Maytag.


Dan

On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


So when we moved into this house I put in all new appliances which 
are all matching Maytag from the same series.  This dishwasher 
is/was the top of the line Maytag (at the time, not sure if it 
still is or not).  It has a hard food disposal which should get rid 
of pretty much everything but it has a series of different sorts of 
screens under the spray arm and down into the sump.  I pretty much 
have to make sure there is not a single kernel of corn or green 
bean on a plate before putting it in the dishwasher because when 
its done such items will be down in the bottom of the washer, not 
even sucked down to where they would be chopped up by the 
disposal.  If you take all this off there is another sort of screen 
assembly deal that catches all sorts of crap.  Long story short I 
do not see how food particles would even make it past all this to 
be chopped up by the chopper.  I pretty much have to pull 
everything apart about once every month or 2 and clean all the food 
particles out. Lately the top rack is not getting clean at all even 
though I know the top spray arm is spinning etc, its just leaving 
deposits all over everything.  I pulled everything apart again and 
cleaned it even though I just did it a couple of weeks ago and it 
still does the same thing. I will research further but WOW it sure 
does not seem like you should have to take the dishwasher apart 
monthly to clean it out.  I am starting to seriously consider just 
buying another one, this time maybe a Bosch or something.  I have 
always looked for washers with the disposals and I understand the 
european models such as Bosch only have a filter that you have to 
clean out.  Since these are designed to be cleaned out it seems 
easier than having to take the dish washer apart anyway.  I know 
several of you swear by Bosch so what is your feedback, or anybody 
elses?  How do these filters compare to the hard food disposals?  
Any thoughts or ideas on my Maytag? This is the one we have now 
that is about a year and a half old.


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