Re: [MBZ] slow day, Just whatcha all need

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Let me know when I can buy one of these for $160.
https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1416993/marty-mcfly-uses-mattel-hoverboard-escape-thugs-2015.jpg
> On June 8, 2017 at 8:55 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.evertek.com/viewpart.asp?auto=115393
> 
> A $160 hoverboard.

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[MG]

Do remember to take the tension off the locking pin with the 
steering wheel.


Manfred

Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 16:20:30 -0700
From: clay redgh...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow day

I got a ignition lock body off fleabay for install into Frosch. 
Came with its own key and I am awaiting the magic the Black 
Forest Elves with forging a new tumbler.  In the meanwhile, I 
used the data from the locksmith to saturate the old tumbler with 
 Tri-Flo and poke around with the key.  I spent an hour doing 
that until black ooze was coating my key.  Still no twist on the 
key.  Figure I will allow it to soak in more


clay

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Randy Bennell]

On 11/05/2014 4:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have been out screwing around with my GL again. Just got it back on 
the road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am 
getting a airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.  I can't seem to 
even access the airmatic module via DAS.  Something in the front SAM 
is causing it I believe and all the tests I run keep coming back to 
what is basically the fancy electronic ignition key. Strange thing is 
that it passes all the tests and comes up with no error codes.  It is 
like there is some circuit that tells some other computer module to 
turn on the airmatic.  No leaks, the system just will not turn on.  
So, it appears its either the ignition, the front SAM, wiring, or a 
bad relay, but I have swapped relays around in the fuse box and that 
does not cure it, so I am pretty sure I have eliminated that as a 
problem (relay that is ).  So I go back to ignition switch or front SAM.


Let me suggest that you start by looking for things that were disturbed 
when the transfer case was replaced since this now appeared after that work.



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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Craig]

On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:49:31 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

 Let me suggest that you start by looking for things that were disturbed 
 when the transfer case was replaced since this now appeared after that
 work.

Great idea! I was wondering why the GL would have a Surface to Air
Missile, but maybe the folks in the Fatherland know something I don't.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Dan Penoff]

Everyone is probably busy with Moms today, hopefully.

Dan


On May 11, 2014, at 4:39 PM, WILTON wrote:

 Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but could 
 mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.
 
 So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run out; 
 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Fred Moir]

I'd give a lot for that to be true.

 From: d...@penoff.com
 Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 16:58:07 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow day
 
 Everyone is probably busy with Moms today, hopefully.
 
 Dan
 
 
 On May 11, 2014, at 4:39 PM, WILTON wrote:
 
  Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but could 
  mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.
  
  So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run out; 
  'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)
  
  Wilton
  
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Dwight Giles]

Neither one  for me. Just taking mothers day off
Go for another Sondy tale, Wilton.
On May 11, 2014 4:42 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but could
 mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.

 So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run out;
 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)

 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Peter Frederick]

outdoor stuff, now cancelled by rain and checking my bees -- that  
caused a scurry to find more empty frames, they are full up already,  
in just a week!


Looks like a good honey crop for once, just wish I'd not goofed up on  
that split last year and lost my other hive, I'd be swimming in honey  
this year!


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have been out screwing around with my GL again.  Just got it back on 
the road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am 
getting a airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.  I can't seem to 
even access the airmatic module via DAS.  Something in the front SAM is 
causing it I believe and all the tests I run keep coming back to what is 
basically the fancy electronic ignition key. Strange thing is that it 
passes all the tests and comes up with no error codes.  It is like there 
is some circuit that tells some other computer module to turn on the 
airmatic.  No leaks, the system just will not turn on.  So, it appears 
its either the ignition, the front SAM, wiring, or a bad relay, but I 
have swapped relays around in the fuse box and that does not cure it, so 
I am pretty sure I have eliminated that as a problem (relay that is ).  
So I go back to ignition switch or front SAM.

On 5/11/2014 3:39 PM, WILTON wrote:

Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but could mean 
everybody's out workin' on 'em.

So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run out; 'may 
hafta pick another subject.   ;)

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Fred Moir wrote:

I'd give a lot for that to be true.


I was there, planned on pruning her apple trees.
Between the heat (88°F) and my total lack of conditioning, I can run a pole saw 
for a couple of minutes where I could have done it for five minutes last fall.


Oh well, got a few branches pruned of the tree that suffered the worst bark 
browsing last winter, will finish up later in the week when it's cool outside, 
and I'll take along a chain saw for the bigger branches. Pushing a pole saw 
through a single 3 limb leaves me gasping.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have been out screwing around with my GL again.  Just got it back on 
the road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am 
getting a airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.


I guess I won't be owning one of those outside of warranty.

But if I buy a 10-15 year old ML, it won't be any worse than a same year 210 
4matic, right?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Rich Thomas]

I sent a pic of my hops plantation but the list mom did not approve it

--R


On 5/11/14 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Everyone is probably busy with Moms today, hopefully.

Dan


On May 11, 2014, at 4:39 PM, WILTON wrote:


Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but could mean 
everybody's out workin' on 'em.

So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run out; 'may 
hafta pick another subject.   ;)

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Gary Hurst]

Aurmatic is nice.  Till it breaks
On May 11, 2014 5:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 I have been out screwing around with my GL again.  Just got it back on the
 road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am getting a
 airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.  I can't seem to even access the
 airmatic module via DAS.  Something in the front SAM is causing it I
 believe and all the tests I run keep coming back to what is basically the
 fancy electronic ignition key. Strange thing is that it passes all the
 tests and comes up with no error codes.  It is like there is some circuit
 that tells some other computer module to turn on the airmatic.  No leaks,
 the system just will not turn on.  So, it appears its either the ignition,
 the front SAM, wiring, or a bad relay, but I have swapped relays around in
 the fuse box and that does not cure it, so I am pretty sure I have
 eliminated that as a problem (relay that is ).  So I go back to ignition
 switch or front SAM.
 On 5/11/2014 3:39 PM, WILTON wrote:

 Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but
 could mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.

 So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run
 out; 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)

 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[clay]

I got a ignition lock body off fleabay for install into Frosch.  Came with its 
own key and I am awaiting the magic the Black Forest Elves with forging a new 
tumbler.  In the meanwhile, I used the data from the locksmith to saturate the 
old tumbler with  Tri-Flo and poke around with the key.  I spent an hour doing 
that until black ooze was coating my key.  Still no twist on the key.  Figure I 
will allow it to soak in more

clay


On May 11, 2014, at 1:39 PM, WILTON wrote:

 Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but could 
 mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.
 
 So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run out; 
 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[WILTON]

Heat?!  In Michigan?!  Oh, that must be SOUTHERN Michigan.  ;)

Reminds me:  On July 4th weekend at Kincheloe (20 south of Ste. Marie), 
'still had a significant pile of snow in shady area of our front yard.  I 
was gonna see how long it'd be before it melted.  I left the house for 
little while to go to BX; while I was out, 17-year-old daughter 
shoveled/scattered the pile around into the sun; pile was gone by next 
afternoon.  I was a little disappointed - wanted to be able to say, We 
still had snow in our yard in middle of July.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow day


Fred Moir wrote:

I'd give a lot for that to be true.


I was there, planned on pruning her apple trees.
Between the heat (88°F) and my total lack of conditioning, I can run a pole 
saw
for a couple of minutes where I could have done it for five minutes last 
fall.


Oh well, got a few branches pruned of the tree that suffered the worst bark
browsing last winter, will finish up later in the week when it's cool 
outside,

and I'll take along a chain saw for the bigger branches. Pushing a pole saw
through a single 3 limb leaves me gasping.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

This does not appear to be an airmatic problem per se, something is 
preventing it from working, another system, and I keep getting lead back 
to ignition switch, which seems wierd.  in order for it to be replaced, 
all sorts of coding has to be done with special workshop keys, a green 
key, a red key so on and so forth.


On 5/11/2014 5:31 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

Aurmatic is nice.  Till it breaks
On May 11, 2014 5:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:


I have been out screwing around with my GL again.  Just got it back on the
road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am getting a
airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.  I can't seem to even access the
airmatic module via DAS.  Something in the front SAM is causing it I
believe and all the tests I run keep coming back to what is basically the
fancy electronic ignition key. Strange thing is that it passes all the
tests and comes up with no error codes.  It is like there is some circuit
that tells some other computer module to turn on the airmatic.  No leaks,
the system just will not turn on.  So, it appears its either the ignition,
the front SAM, wiring, or a bad relay, but I have swapped relays around in
the fuse box and that does not cure it, so I am pretty sure I have
eliminated that as a problem (relay that is ).  So I go back to ignition
switch or front SAM.
On 5/11/2014 3:39 PM, WILTON wrote:


Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but
could mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.

So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run
out; 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[WILTON]

'Already knew I didn't want a GL.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow day


This does not appear to be an airmatic problem per se, something is 
preventing it from working, another system, and I keep getting lead back 
to ignition switch, which seems wierd.  in order for it to be replaced, 
all sorts of coding has to be done with special workshop keys, a green 
key, a red key so on and so forth.


On 5/11/2014 5:31 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

Aurmatic is nice.  Till it breaks
On May 11, 2014 5:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

I have been out screwing around with my GL again.  Just got it back on 
the
road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am 
getting a
airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.  I can't seem to even access 
the

airmatic module via DAS.  Something in the front SAM is causing it I
believe and all the tests I run keep coming back to what is basically 
the

fancy electronic ignition key. Strange thing is that it passes all the
tests and comes up with no error codes.  It is like there is some 
circuit
that tells some other computer module to turn on the airmatic.  No 
leaks,
the system just will not turn on.  So, it appears its either the 
ignition,
the front SAM, wiring, or a bad relay, but I have swapped relays around 
in

the fuse box and that does not cure it, so I am pretty sure I have
eliminated that as a problem (relay that is ).  So I go back to ignition
switch or front SAM.
On 5/11/2014 3:39 PM, WILTON wrote:


Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but
could mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.

So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run
out; 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

It's great when it doesn't have problems.

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 On May 11, 2014, at 6:36 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 'Already knew I didn't want a GL.  ;)
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow day
 
 
 This does not appear to be an airmatic problem per se, something is 
 preventing it from working, another system, and I keep getting lead back to 
 ignition switch, which seems wierd.  in order for it to be replaced, all 
 sorts of coding has to be done with special workshop keys, a green key, a 
 red key so on and so forth.
 
 On 5/11/2014 5:31 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 Aurmatic is nice.  Till it breaks
 On May 11, 2014 5:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 I have been out screwing around with my GL again.  Just got it back on the
 road after the transfer case replacement, now all the sudden I am getting a
 airmatic malfunction warning in the dash.  I can't seem to even access the
 airmatic module via DAS.  Something in the front SAM is causing it I
 believe and all the tests I run keep coming back to what is basically the
 fancy electronic ignition key. Strange thing is that it passes all the
 tests and comes up with no error codes.  It is like there is some circuit
 that tells some other computer module to turn on the airmatic.  No leaks,
 the system just will not turn on.  So, it appears its either the ignition,
 the front SAM, wiring, or a bad relay, but I have swapped relays around in
 the fuse box and that does not cure it, so I am pretty sure I have
 eliminated that as a problem (relay that is ).  So I go back to ignition
 switch or front SAM.
 On 5/11/2014 3:39 PM, WILTON wrote:
 
 Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but
 could mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.
 
 So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run
 out; 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)
 
 Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Slow day

[Gary Hurst]

Big pliers
On May 11, 2014 7:20 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 I got a ignition lock body off fleabay for install into Frosch.  Came with
 its own key and I am awaiting the magic the Black Forest Elves with forging
 a new tumbler.  In the meanwhile, I used the data from the locksmith to
 saturate the old tumbler with  Tri-Flo and poke around with the key.  I
 spent an hour doing that until black ooze was coating my key.  Still no
 twist on the key.  Figure I will allow it to soak in more

 clay


 On May 11, 2014, at 1:39 PM, WILTON wrote:

  Mighty slow day; 'hope it means everybody MBs have not problems, but
 could mean everybody's out workin' on 'em.
 
  So slow, I may hafta throw in another silly Sondy Tale.  'Bout to run
 out; 'may hafta pick another subject.   ;)
 
  Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Tim Crone]

On Feb 22, 2014 3:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Doesn't like to or refuses to?  If this were true don't you think the
NRA

It's against the ToS:
(i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j)
,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.

I doubt they actually check each off-eBay transaction to ensure that it's
not for a firearm. Doesn't like to seems like a reasonable shorthand for
the combination of these.

 would be up in arms (no pun intended)?

Why?  It's a private company that sets its own policy.  It's not like the
Federal Reserve suddenly said transactions involving firearms weren't
valid, and cash reverts in the event of a dispute.

Slightly more on topic,* I returned a coat to Dick's yesterday because it
didn't fit properly.  I had used PayPal to check out because I was in a
hurry and didn't want to dig up my wallet.  They couldn't refund PayPal
from the store, so I had to get a gift card instead.  Thus I would suggest,
if you might return an item from a digital order to a physical location,
don't use PayPal to check out.

* because the old coat has been through a few too many roadside stops that
left marks in random places

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Doesn't like to or refuses to?  If this were true don't you think the NRA
would be up in arms (no pun intended)?


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 What, you think I'm kidding when I say Paypal doesn't like to provide CC
 processing for firearms sales, or you think Larry is kidding when he says
 he doesn't like CC processors who discriminate against 2nd Amendment
 related businesses?

 Mitch.

 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 You've got to be kidding.


 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  Larry T wrote:

   My provider also refuses to work with companies which sell firearms and
 related merchandise - which I disagree with on principle.

  That would be one reason to stay away from Paypal.



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Andrew Strasfogel]

You've got to be kidding.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Larry T wrote:

  My provider also refuses to work with companies which sell firearms and
 related merchandise - which I disagree with on principle.


 That would be one reason to stay away from Paypal.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

What, you think I'm kidding when I say Paypal doesn't like to provide CC 
processing for firearms sales, or you think Larry is kidding when he says he 
doesn't like CC processors who discriminate against 2nd Amendment related 
businesses?


Mitch.

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

You've got to be kidding.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


Larry T wrote:


 My provider also refuses to work with companies which sell firearms and
related merchandise - which I disagree with on principle.


That would be one reason to stay away from Paypal.



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[arche...@embarqmail.com]

On 2/20/2014 12:16 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

i have no recollection of particulars




On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:14 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

How much of a cut did they want from your sales?





On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

amazon once called me about selling parts there but i really hated the
guy who called so i never did it

I haven't had anything to do with Amazon since they sent me to a bad connection 
with a Panamanian who couldn't effectively speak English.  This was about a 
seller who charged $28.xx freight on four small bottles of pills that cost 
$18.xx.  Ebay is not the greatest, but nothing like that has happened there.

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

noriega from the federal pokey perhaps?


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:40 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com 
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 On 2/20/2014 12:16 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 i have no recollection of particulars


  On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:14 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 How much of a cut did they want from your sales?



  On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 amazon once called me about selling parts there but i really hated the
 guy who called so i never did it

 I haven't had anything to do with Amazon since they sent me to a bad
 connection with a Panamanian who couldn't effectively speak English.  This
 was about a seller who charged $28.xx freight on four small bottles of
 pills that cost $18.xx.  Ebay is not the greatest, but nothing like that
 has happened there.

 Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[rogerhga]

When I sold on Amazon a few years ago, they took 17-22% of my sales. So, I 
moved to my own freestanding websites. I've never been happier. And I'm getting 
ready to dump my bank cc processing and move it to PayPal which I already use 
for both some domestic and all international sales. On first review, it should 
save me several hundred dollars a year. Nothing is perfect, but some things are 
just bad. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Curt Raymond]

Careful with Paypal, they're commonly regarded as not nice people. There are 
lots of reports where somebody complains and they tie up ALL your money (not 
just the amount of the order) for some long period of time during which you 
have zero recourse. You need to ask yourself if those hassles are worth a 
couple hundred bucks a year.

They are commonly referred to as an illegal bank. I only give them my credit 
card, they wanna screw with me its got to be through Chase...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:05:03 + (UTC)
From: roger...@comcast.net
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow day
Message-ID:
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When I sold on Amazon a few years ago, they took 17-22% of my sales. So, I 
moved to my own freestanding websites. I've never been happier. And I'm getting 
ready to dump my bank cc processing and move it to PayPal which I already use 
for both some domestic and all international sales. On first review, it should 
save me several hundred dollars a year. Nothing is perfect, but some things are 
just bad. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Larry T]

I have also been suggesting my customers use Paypal rather than CC 
service.  I changed CC processors a couple of years ago to Authorize.net 
which charges a $160. fee/year for something called PCI compliance.  
It's basically me competing a questionaire telling them how I keep my 
customers' CC info secure.  In my case the website has a secure shopping 
cart - if they use that i never see any CC numbers.


My 3 year service agreement expires in March and I have made arrangement 
to use a different service.  My provider also refuses to work with 
companies which sell firearms and related merchandise - which I disagree 
with on principle.


I had not considered going 100% Paypal -- have your customers given any 
push-back for you wanting to use PayPal for everything?   Seems like a 
good direction to me...


Sincerely,
Larry
THE OIL ANALYSIS CO
YOUROIL.NET
 


On 2/20/2014 9:05 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

When I sold on Amazon a few years ago, they took 17-22% of my sales. So, I 
moved to my own freestanding websites. I've never been happier. And I'm getting 
ready to dump my bank cc processing and move it to PayPal which I already use 
for both some domestic and all international sales. On first review, it should 
save me several hundred dollars a year. Nothing is perfect, but some things are 
just bad.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[rogerhga]

Curt, 
My wife has dealt with PayPal for several years now with no ill affects. I 
understand the tie up money issue which is why you should transfer funds out of 
that account often. Actually I've had worse problems with Chase. I once had a 
special CC rate and they just removed it for a higher rate with no recourse on 
my part. Not a friendly bank in my experience, but then none of them are. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
 I only give them my credit card, they wanna screw with me its got to be 
 through Chase...


Totally.
And then the scams that call.
I like the concepts of wasting time with these callers but they have
my number, I think.  I press 1 to get info on lowering my cc rate and
then they hang up.  When they call I gotta lie and tell them I have 9k
outstanding at 12%, but even then they hang up - they seem to have my
number.  These seem to be absolute scams.  Who falls for this junk?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Curt Raymond]

There was an article somewhere I read about this, apparently a big part of 
today's scams is to find the absolute dumbest people around. As a scammer you 
don't want to waste a bunch of time setting up the scam only to have somebody 
back out at the last minute.
Your mistake is acting like you have a brain. If you KNOW the numbers you're 
clearly screwing with them. People who are in trouble with credit card debt 
don't know how much trouble they're in. You need to keep some paper by the 
phone, crumple it and say geez I saw a credit card bill at some point, lemmie 
look.

-Curt


Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:01:52 -0600
From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt wrote:
 I only give them my credit card, they wanna screw with me its got to be 
 through Chase...


Totally.
And then the scams that call.
I like the concepts of wasting time with these callers but they have
my number, I think.  I press 1 to get info on lowering my cc rate and
then they hang up.  When they call I gotta lie and tell them I have 9k
outstanding at 12%, but even then they hang up - they seem to have my
number.  These seem to be absolute scams.  Who falls for this junk?
mao
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Craig]

On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:01:52 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 And then the scams that call.
 I like the concepts of wasting time with these callers but they have
 my number, I think.  I press 1 to get info on lowering my cc rate and
 then they hang up.  When they call I gotta lie and tell them I have 9k
 outstanding at 12%, but even then they hang up - they seem to have my
 number.  These seem to be absolute scams.  Who falls for this junk?

I got a call this morning from the Windows Department. The fellow could
not speak English very well and there were long pauses in what he was
saying. He said he was calling me because of my Windows computer
(apparently not realizing that my laptop was booted to its Linux
partition and I was running nothing but Linux on all three computers).

He asked me, Do you know why you are getting this call?

I replied, Yes, you want to scam me and take my personal information.

He hung up.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[rogerhga]

Larry, 
My customers could still use a credit card even if I switch to PayPal 
completely. It's just that the CC processing would point to PayPal and they 
would process the charges through to MC, VISA, Discover, etc. As far as the 
customer sees, they are just paying with a CC. Now if they select PayPal, then 
they know they will have to use their PayPal account. I only use PayPal for 
international because it's safer and removes the CC fees for international 
which can get high sometimes. 
PayPal also does not charge the PCI fee which BOA charged me last month. I 
don't handle my customer CCs either, but I still had to pay the fee and do the 
online certification. It's just another bank ripoff to me. I also use 
Authorize.net for the processing, but it's front ended by BOA in my case. I 
originally had ChasePaymentech and they sold me to First Data who in turn sold 
me to BOA...and none of them ever asked my permission, they just said they 
could do it. 
Best WIshes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Dan Penoff]

Larry,

As someone who works closely with PCI due to our organization accepting online 
CC payments I can assure you that the PCI fees were coming from the bank and 
are difficult to avoid.

With all the CC fraud and theft that's going on, especially from things like 
the Target breach, the processors are circling the wagons big time to cover 
their butts.

We're looking closely at a third party vendor for processing as it takes all 
that away from us.  Costs more, but in the long run it's cheaper.

I spend probably one day a week doing PCI related work on our internal system.  
And it's just one server that doesn't even do any processing - the data flows 
through it, which puts it in scope according to PCI standards.

Dan


On Feb 20, 2014, at 7:34 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

 Larry, 
 My customers could still use a credit card even if I switch to PayPal 
 completely. It's just that the CC processing would point to PayPal and they 
 would process the charges through to MC, VISA, Discover, etc. As far as the 
 customer sees, they are just paying with a CC. Now if they select PayPal, 
 then they know they will have to use their PayPal account. I only use PayPal 
 for international because it's safer and removes the CC fees for 
 international which can get high sometimes. 
 PayPal also does not charge the PCI fee which BOA charged me last month. I 
 don't handle my customer CCs either, but I still had to pay the fee and do 
 the online certification. It's just another bank ripoff to me. I also use 
 Authorize.net for the processing, but it's front ended by BOA in my case. I 
 originally had ChasePaymentech and they sold me to First Data who in turn 
 sold me to BOA...and none of them ever asked my permission, they just said 
 they could do it. 
 Best WIshes, 
 Roger 
 Roger Hale 
 Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
 Monroe, Ga. 
 770-267-0850 
 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
 www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Dan wrote:
 I spend probably one day a week doing PCI related work on our internal system.


Progress.
Technology.
Wunnerful stuff.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

How much of a cut did they want from your sales?


Don't ever allow fulfillment by Amazon under any circumstances.
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1336470/

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:
 My provider also refuses to work with 
companies which sell firearms and related merchandise - which I disagree 
with on principle.


That would be one reason to stay away from Paypal.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Rich Thomas]

My shifter bushings came today and it is nice and warm after last week's 
ice storm so I will probably be tackling that issue in the next coupla days.


I ordered these off Amazon, my wife has Amazon Prime.  Free shipping, 2 
days, no taxes.  I'm not sure of the price compared to Jabba but that is 
pretty good service.  Febi from Amazon.  I was looking and they have 
lots of Benz parts.  Perhaps Jabba could discuss how for commodity 
things he is better or not.


--R


On 2/19/14 5:35 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Another slow day on the list.

Need to move some snow this evening.
Going to snow again tonight and tomorrow.
Only supposed to be another 2 to 4 inches but we have enough now.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

well, i try to get away from the whole concept of car parts are commodity
things, as in the game the cheapest chinese white box item always wins and
everyone wonders why parts that used to last 30 years now last 6 weeks
before they totally fail but never quite worked right anyway

i'm happy to compare apples with apples with you.  show me what you got and
i'll tell you what i'd have done for you.  also what i'd have done for you
if you gave me 80 bucks a year for fatty prime




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 My shifter bushings came today and it is nice and warm after last week's
 ice storm so I will probably be tackling that issue in the next coupla days.

 I ordered these off Amazon, my wife has Amazon Prime.  Free shipping, 2
 days, no taxes.  I'm not sure of the price compared to Jabba but that is
 pretty good service.  Febi from Amazon.  I was looking and they have lots
 of Benz parts.  Perhaps Jabba could discuss how for commodity things he is
 better or not.

 --R



 On 2/19/14 5:35 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 Another slow day on the list.

 Need to move some snow this evening.
 Going to snow again tonight and tomorrow.
 Only supposed to be another 2 to 4 inches but we have enough now.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Rich Thomas]

PAckage says Febi.  Will you stream movies for me too?  Wait, maybe 
Fatty Prime movies would not be such a good idea...


--R


On 2/19/14 6:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

well, i try to get away from the whole concept of car parts are commodity
things, as in the game the cheapest chinese white box item always wins and
everyone wonders why parts that used to last 30 years now last 6 weeks
before they totally fail but never quite worked right anyway

i'm happy to compare apples with apples with you.  show me what you got and
i'll tell you what i'd have done for you.  also what i'd have done for you
if you gave me 80 bucks a year for fatty prime




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


My shifter bushings came today and it is nice and warm after last week's
ice storm so I will probably be tackling that issue in the next coupla days.

I ordered these off Amazon, my wife has Amazon Prime.  Free shipping, 2
days, no taxes.  I'm not sure of the price compared to Jabba but that is
pretty good service.  Febi from Amazon.  I was looking and they have lots
of Benz parts.  Perhaps Jabba could discuss how for commodity things he is
better or not.

--R



On 2/19/14 5:35 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:


Another slow day on the list.

Need to move some snow this evening.
Going to snow again tonight and tomorrow.
Only supposed to be another 2 to 4 inches but we have enough now.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

you can't be more specific than febi, huh?


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 PAckage says Febi.  Will you stream movies for me too?  Wait, maybe Fatty
 Prime movies would not be such a good idea...

 --R



 On 2/19/14 6:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 well, i try to get away from the whole concept of car parts are commodity
 things, as in the game the cheapest chinese white box item always wins and
 everyone wonders why parts that used to last 30 years now last 6 weeks
 before they totally fail but never quite worked right anyway

 i'm happy to compare apples with apples with you.  show me what you got
 and
 i'll tell you what i'd have done for you.  also what i'd have done for you
 if you gave me 80 bucks a year for fatty prime




 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  My shifter bushings came today and it is nice and warm after last week's
 ice storm so I will probably be tackling that issue in the next coupla
 days.

 I ordered these off Amazon, my wife has Amazon Prime.  Free shipping, 2
 days, no taxes.  I'm not sure of the price compared to Jabba but that is
 pretty good service.  Febi from Amazon.  I was looking and they have lots
 of Benz parts.  Perhaps Jabba could discuss how for commodity things he
 is
 better or not.

 --R



 On 2/19/14 5:35 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

  Another slow day on the list.

 Need to move some snow this evening.
 Going to snow again tonight and tomorrow.
 Only supposed to be another 2 to 4 inches but we have enough now.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Randy wrote:
 Going to snow again tonight and tomorrow.
 Only supposed to be another 2 to 4 inches but we have enough now.


The defrost is on here.
Gonna rain and flood.
Turn the polar vortex on again, please.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Gary wrote:
 also what i'd have done for you
 if you gave me 80 bucks a year for fatty prime

fatty prime
I like it.
You could sell parts on amazon, no?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

amazon once called me about selling parts there but i really hated the guy
who called so i never did it



On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Gary wrote:
  also what i'd have done for you
  if you gave me 80 bucks a year for fatty prime

 fatty prime
 I like it.
 You could sell parts on amazon, no?
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[OK Don]

How much of a cut did they want from your sales?


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 amazon once called me about selling parts there but i really hated the guy
 who called so i never did it




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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

i have no recollection of particulars


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:14 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 How much of a cut did they want from your sales?


 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  amazon once called me about selling parts there but i really hated the
 guy
  who called so i never did it
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[clay]

please ignore, I was on cough medication

clay

On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:50 PM, clay wrote:

 SWMBA has clients with projects that are screwed.  The agencies have closed 
 doors and are no longer working on permitting or review of projects.  At 
 least they called to let folks know that they were shutting the doors at noon 
 Monday to celebrate the end of the Obama administration
 
 clay
 
 On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
 
 drfatty wrote:
 do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
 people's rackets?
 
 Such as the news racket?
 Blather on and on.
 Then jump to debt.
 ...eh...
 The gov't runs on and on.
 Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
 I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
 pawns in the racket of news reporting.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Rich Thomas]

Turn your head when you cough

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On 10/6/13 11:53 PM, clay wrote:

please ignore, I was on cough medication

clay





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Re: [MBZ] slow day

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 On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 23:58:26 -0400 (EDT) m...@voyager.net wrote:

 The stench which was filling my house was coming from the mouth of a
 10lb Rat Terrier. Amazingly enough, holding her down and attacking her
 with a tooth brush and mint flavored toothpaste totally solved the
 problem.

 Did it also solve the proclivity to repeat the ingestion?

She hates toothbrushes 10x more than she hates baths, perhaps more than
she hates nail clippers.
She did it one more time, this spring, after having all winter to forget
the first time. MaxFresh Colgate works a treat.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Andrew Strasfogel]

What about vacuum cleaners?


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:16 AM, m...@voyager.net wrote:

  On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 23:58:26 -0400 (EDT) m...@voyager.net wrote:
 
  The stench which was filling my house was coming from the mouth of a
  10lb Rat Terrier. Amazingly enough, holding her down and attacking her
  with a tooth brush and mint flavored toothpaste totally solved the
  problem.
 
  Did it also solve the proclivity to repeat the ingestion?

 She hates toothbrushes 10x more than she hates baths, perhaps more than
 she hates nail clippers.
 She did it one more time, this spring, after having all winter to forget
 the first time. MaxFresh Colgate works a treat.

 Mitch.


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[Mitch Haley]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

What about vacuum cleaners?


Sometimes she barks at it, usually she just hides in her cage.

The word bath is often more effective at caging her than the command kennel 
up.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Mitch wrote:
 ...I'm not buying health
 insurance at 2014 prices.

Another okiebenz outlaw - hooray.
However... ACA has not affected you yet.  Can you pay your $137/mo all
the way thru 2014 or is your carrier prohibited from offering that
coverage in 2014?  Either way, ACA has not affected you yet.  You
anticipate it affecting you.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

WILTON wrote:
 Therefore,
 I've learned to take a lot of the stuff I read, see and hear in the news
 with a bag of salt, as Greg already said, and as I've been telling my
 friends at lunch for years.

Which still leaves us without any ability to come close to the truth
on matters of DC - not unlike (they say) elephant procreation - waaay
far up and complex.
Another approach is to hide head in sand - which is equally as
effective.  When they want to tell me something, they can get my
attention by driving their black suburbans here to yank my head out
from the sand.  I can do everything the gov't sez they can do without
the gov't.
Why is it that ALL comments bemoan the gov't closure?  Why is it such
a bad thing that gov't is partially shut-down?  What is it that we are
not receiving or doing because of shut-down?  Everything seems to be
running fine, no?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Mountain Man wrote:

Mitch wrote:

...I'm not buying health
insurance at 2014 prices.


Another okiebenz outlaw - hooray.
However... ACA has not affected you yet.  Can you pay your $137/mo all
the way thru 2014 or is your carrier prohibited from offering that
coverage in 2014?  Either way, ACA has not affected you yet.  You
anticipate it affecting you.


I'm not sure what would happen to the $132 or $187 policies on January 1 if I 
bought them, but I'd be subject to the you didn't like the insurance we picked 
out for you tax if I was able to keep it through 2014.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Slow Day

[Mountain Man]

Roger wrote:
 And then there is the mother shot in DC. Was she bringing Obama's love 
 child to visit him, Michele got wind of it, and had the capital police get 
 rid of her?


Let's go back to the mother of conspiracy - JFK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MV1YvjdPdA

And on CNN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJeuraRDROk

Ventura/Savage 2016
or
Ventura/Stern 2016

Cancel the RedState/BlueState stuff - it ain't gonna happen - they own
us, they play us, we think gov't is wunnerful.

Does anyone think gov't is NOT wonderful?
Me and like minded neighbors can do ALL that gov't does.  When push
comes to shove, we do.  We need some push coming to shove.
Give us the opportunity without taking our funding and we can, yes we
can.  Say it isn't possible, c'mon...
Defense? - yes.
Education - yes.
Transportation? - yes.
Care for unfortunate? - yes.
Equality to we the people? - yes.
It is called diversity.  Today we have absolute discrimination.
Discrimination is being eliminated? as we provide rights? to all
parties, except we the people.  Women?  Immigrants?  Blacks?  Latino?
Handicapped?  Retired?  Indigent?
We can do this, we the people.
We the people, on a local basis, can do this better than any
government effort and more efficiently but they discriminate against
us, they will not allow us to be diverse - they force us to
non-diverse gov't. - they force us to discrimination.  Ya think
someone is playing us?

mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gerry Archer]

Many years ago mutual insurance companies, which are owned by the insured, 
were formed in order to avoid gouging by stock insurance companies.
Since some of the premiums being quoted currently by health insurance 
companies are obvious gouging, mutual health insurance companies may be a 
well established model that would bring premiums down.  This is currently 
being discussed on the internet but there probably won't be much accurate 
information until more info comes out about Obamacare.

Gerry


WILTON wrote:

Therefore,
I've learned to take a lot of the stuff I read, see and hear in the 
news

with a bag of salt, as Greg already said, and as I've been telling my
friends at lunch for years.


Which still leaves us without any ability to come close to the truth
on matters of DC - not unlike (they say) elephant procreation - waaay
far up and complex.
Another approach is to hide head in sand - which is equally as
effective.  When they want to tell me something, they can get my
attention by driving their black suburbans here to yank my head out
from the sand.  I can do everything the gov't sez they can do without
the gov't.
Why is it that ALL comments bemoan the gov't closure?  Why is it such
a bad thing that gov't is partially shut-down?  What is it that we are
not receiving or doing because of shut-down?  Everything seems to be
running fine, no?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Gerry Archer wrote:



Many years ago mutual insurance companies, which are owned by the 
insured, were formed in order to avoid gouging by stock insurance 
companies.
Since some of the premiums being quoted currently by health insurance 
companies are obvious gouging, mutual health insurance companies may be 
a well established model that would bring premiums down.  This is 
currently being discussed on the internet but there probably won't be 
much accurate information until more info comes out about Obamacare.


ACA puts a pretty high limit on the payout ratio.

Demutualization was a big thing a few years back.
Good deal for the customer/owners, who got nice checks in the mail to buy out 
their ownership. Could have had nearly free car insurance if you could predict 
which company would go public each year.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[clay]

SWMBA has clients with projects that are screwed.  The agencies have closed 
doors and are no longer working on permitting or review of projects.  At least 
they called to let folks know that they were shutting the doors at noon Monday 
to celebrate the end of the Obama administration

clay

On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 drfatty wrote:
 do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
 people's rackets?
 
 Such as the news racket?
 Blather on and on.
 Then jump to debt.
 ...eh...
 The gov't runs on and on.
 Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
 I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
 pawns in the racket of news reporting.
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

You can keep your existing policy until it expires, but it will not be
renewed.  There is a 30-day window at expiration to change to a different
policy.  I'm sticking with my existing policy until it expires and then
deciding.  Our federal government is an absolute joke, but as long as there
is NASCAR, NFL, WWE, and ESPN, most American's don't care because most
don't spend the time to understand and many others seem to like the joke
that the federal government is.



On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Gerry Archer wrote:



 Many years ago mutual insurance companies, which are owned by the
 insured, were formed in order to avoid gouging by stock insurance companies.
 Since some of the premiums being quoted currently by health insurance
 companies are obvious gouging, mutual health insurance companies may be a
 well established model that would bring premiums down.  This is currently
 being discussed on the internet but there probably won't be much accurate
 information until more info comes out about Obamacare.


 ACA puts a pretty high limit on the payout ratio.

 Demutualization was a big thing a few years back.
 Good deal for the customer/owners, who got nice checks in the mail to buy
 out their ownership. Could have had nearly free car insurance if you could
 predict which company would go public each year.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

I think all this nonsense of backpay for furloughed workers is an absolute
joke.  Folks that make their money from the federal government sold their
souls to the devil when they entered the federal system and I simply don't
care if they don't get paid.



On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 SWMBA has clients with projects that are screwed.  The agencies have
 closed doors and are no longer working on permitting or review of projects.
  At least they called to let folks know that they were shutting the doors
 at noon Monday to celebrate the end of the Obama administration

 clay

 On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

  drfatty wrote:
  do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
  people's rackets?
 
  Such as the news racket?
  Blather on and on.
  Then jump to debt.
  ...eh...
  The gov't runs on and on.
  Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
  I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
  pawns in the racket of news reporting.
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

And that's largely because I get very little in return for the amount of
taxes I pay compared to the fat cats who get bailouts and don't pay social
security and medicare on their capital gains incomes...  the disparity is
ridiculous.



On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think all this nonsense of backpay for furloughed workers is an absolute
 joke.  Folks that make their money from the federal government sold their
 souls to the devil when they entered the federal system and I simply don't
 care if they don't get paid.



 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 SWMBA has clients with projects that are screwed.  The agencies have
 closed doors and are no longer working on permitting or review of projects.
  At least they called to let folks know that they were shutting the doors
 at noon Monday to celebrate the end of the Obama administration

 clay

 On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

  drfatty wrote:
  do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot
 of
  people's rackets?
 
  Such as the news racket?
  Blather on and on.
  Then jump to debt.
  ...eh...
  The gov't runs on and on.
  Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
  I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
  pawns in the racket of news reporting.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

this is really farce and theater.  the government is not actually shut
down.  the oppressive wars of american ideological zealotry, foreign and
abroad, continue as usual and that is the real cost of government.
checks still being mailed out to people.  you still get felt up at the
airport

as far as i can tell, the main issue is that the national parks are closed.
a bunch of other people who don't do much anyway get a paid vacation


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[G Mann]

Sad.. but if we gave all government workers full pay and sent them home..
we would save more money...

An elephant:  A mouse built by government workers capable of carrying the
paperwork for the project to build the mouse.


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[WILTON]

We'll gladly send some experts north to help ya with that, but ya may not 
wanta let 'em in.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] slow day



So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?

Randy in Canada where we don't seem able to figure out how to shut down 
the government


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[clay]

Sometimes you just have to celebrate the checks and balances form of 
government.  We can see it in action now.  It allows no one part of the 
government to over power the other, and run rough shod over the governed.  As 
long as they keep at each others necks, it is all good.  When it implodes, then 
it can be built up clean and sparkly.  Better fit and able to meet the real 
needs of the populace.

Local liberal coverage is trying to place blame, but in reading the reporting 
of statement made by out states congress critters, they are far more entrenched 
in their positions than the right.  Less willing to sacrifice their own pay to 
help their staffers, and have a giant sense of entitlement to suckle at the 
public teat, while those across the aisle are putting pay in escrow for their 
staff, or making a cut equivalent to the one taken by the rest of the federal 
employees.

Compromise is not a game the left is willing to play.  So, the show down 
continues.  

clay


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Dan Penoff]

The thing that has me confused (and I am saying this from a totally neutral 
point of view) is how the Republicans can try to change something that has been 
voted into law? After all, the ACA passed both houses and was signed into law 
by the President. The only way to change or rescind the law would be through 
the legislative process.

With this in mind, there is no way to short circuit a piece of legislation 
based on our current process.

I realize that there have been numerous attempts to vote on repealing the ACA, 
but they have all failed to-date. Short of there being success in this manner, 
I see the current approach as being fundamentally flawed and totally 
inappropriate.

Confused Dan

 On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Sometimes you just have to celebrate the checks and balances form of 
 government.  We can see it in action now.  It allows no one part of the 
 government to over power the other, and run rough shod over the governed.  As 
 long as they keep at each others necks, it is all good.  When it implodes, 
 then it can be built up clean and sparkly.  Better fit and able to meet the 
 real needs of the populace.
 
 Local liberal coverage is trying to place blame, but in reading the reporting 
 of statement made by out states congress critters, they are far more 
 entrenched in their positions than the right.  Less willing to sacrifice 
 their own pay to help their staffers, and have a giant sense of entitlement 
 to suckle at the public teat, while those across the aisle are putting pay in 
 escrow for their staff, or making a cut equivalent to the one taken by the 
 rest of the federal employees.
 
 Compromise is not a game the left is willing to play.  So, the show down 
 continues.  
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 
 So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Rich Thomas]

The president has changed the law that Congress passed (barely, but that 
is another story) by postponing the employer mandate by 1 year.  
Congress said, Do this and the president decided to do something 
else.  Not sure what consequences there are to that unilateral action 
(which is not really allowed) but there you go.


Seems like the whole thing is just one giant mess.

--R


On 10/4/13 3:28 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

The thing that has me confused (and I am saying this from a totally neutral 
point of view) is how the Republicans can try to change something that has been 
voted into law? After all, the ACA passed both houses and was signed into law 
by the President. The only way to change or rescind the law would be through 
the legislative process.

With this in mind, there is no way to short circuit a piece of legislation 
based on our current process.

I realize that there have been numerous attempts to vote on repealing the ACA, 
but they have all failed to-date. Short of there being success in this manner, 
I see the current approach as being fundamentally flawed and totally 
inappropriate.

Confused Dan



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Randy Bennell]

No doubt but that our government would welcome them with open arms.
One of the things that our government loves is studies on various things.
They could work on that for years.

Randy

On 04/10/2013 1:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
We'll gladly send some experts north to help ya with that, but ya may 
not wanta let 'em in.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] slow day



So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[clay]

Something passed that nobody read.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.  It all 
comes back to bite you in the butt down the road.

clay

On Oct 4, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 The thing that has me confused (and I am saying this from a totally neutral 
 point of view) is how the Republicans can try to change something that has 
 been voted into law? After all, the ACA passed both houses and was signed 
 into law by the President. The only way to change or rescind the law would be 
 through the legislative process.
 
 With this in mind, there is no way to short circuit a piece of legislation 
 based on our current process.
 
 I realize that there have been numerous attempts to vote on repealing the 
 ACA, but they have all failed to-date. Short of there being success in this 
 manner, I see the current approach as being fundamentally flawed and totally 
 inappropriate.
 
 Confused Dan
 
 On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Sometimes you just have to celebrate the checks and balances form of 
 government.  We can see it in action now.  It allows no one part of the 
 government to over power the other, and run rough shod over the governed.  
 As long as they keep at each others necks, it is all good.  When it 
 implodes, then it can be built up clean and sparkly.  Better fit and able to 
 meet the real needs of the populace.
 
 Local liberal coverage is trying to place blame, but in reading the 
 reporting of statement made by out states congress critters, they are far 
 more entrenched in their positions than the right.  Less willing to 
 sacrifice their own pay to help their staffers, and have a giant sense of 
 entitlement to suckle at the public teat, while those across the aisle are 
 putting pay in escrow for their staff, or making a cut equivalent to the one 
 taken by the rest of the federal employees.
 
 Compromise is not a game the left is willing to play.  So, the show down 
 continues.  
 
 clay
 
 
 On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 
 So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?
 
 Randy in Canada where we don't seem able to figure out how to shut down the 
 government
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[WILTON]

Part of me says, You're welcome to them, please take 'em, but I wouldn't 
wanta crap on my good friends to the north like that.  You're too nice a 
people to foist such on ya, eh?;)


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow day



No doubt but that our government would welcome them with open arms.
One of the things that our government loves is studies on various things.
They could work on that for years.

Randy

On 04/10/2013 1:55 PM, WILTON wrote:
We'll gladly send some experts north to help ya with that, but ya may not 
wanta let 'em in.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 2:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] slow day



So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?

Randy in Canada where we don't seem able to figure out how to shut down 
the government


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[WILTON]

Amen.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow day


The thing that has me confused (and I am saying this from a totally 
neutral point of view) is how the Republicans can try to change something 
that has been voted into law? After all, the ACA passed both houses and 
was signed into law by the President. The only way to change or rescind 
the law would be through the legislative process.


With this in mind, there is no way to short circuit a piece of 
legislation based on our current process.


I realize that there have been numerous attempts to vote on repealing the 
ACA, but they have all failed to-date. Short of there being success in 
this manner, I see the current approach as being fundamentally flawed and 
totally inappropriate.


Confused Dan


On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Sometimes you just have to celebrate the checks and balances form of 
government.  We can see it in action now.  It allows no one part of the 
government to over power the other, and run rough shod over the governed. 
As long as they keep at each others necks, it is all good.  When it 
implodes, then it can be built up clean and sparkly.  Better fit and able 
to meet the real needs of the populace.


Local liberal coverage is trying to place blame, but in reading the 
reporting of statement made by out states congress critters, they are far 
more entrenched in their positions than the right.  Less willing to 
sacrifice their own pay to help their staffers, and have a giant sense of 
entitlement to suckle at the public teat, while those across the aisle 
are putting pay in escrow for their staff, or making a cut equivalent to 
the one taken by the rest of the federal employees.


Compromise is not a game the left is willing to play.  So, the show down 
continues.


clay



On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?

Randy in Canada where we don't seem able to figure out how to shut down 
the government


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Randy Bennell]

On 04/10/2013 3:31 PM, WILTON wrote:
Part of me says, You're welcome to them, please take 'em, but I 
wouldn't wanta crap on my good friends to the north like that.  You're 
too nice a people to foist such on ya, eh? ;)


Wilton


You are a true gentleman, Wilton.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Rich Thomas]

I actually read a version of the law before the one that had to be 
passed to find out what was in it.  It was like 1200 pages long pdf, but 
it was widely spaced and not much on each page, so it went pretty fast.  
the thing that struck me about it was how much of it had very little to 
do with provision of health/medical care, and how much asserted that 
various commissions, boards, panels, etc. were to go off and figure it 
out, without a lot of guidance on what it actually was.  A lot of it 
also related to other laws that needed to be changed, superseded, 
deleted, etc. to read differently in various provisions of those.  So 
there was actually not much of anything in there that one could divine 
what was actually meant or intended. Most curious, but then I thought 
about it, and it became clearer.


I questioned a local candidate for the state legislature, who was waxing 
enthusiastic about the PPACA, if he had actually read the law and 
understood it sufficiently to 1) be enthusiastic and 2) vote on things 
in the legislature regarding the law and whatever requirements it would 
impose on the state.  His response was that no, he had not actually read 
it, and did not know anyone who had, at which point I said I did and 
he then said, Well, it is Obama's law, so I am all for it!  This guy 
is a black democrat, which reflects most of our population in this 
district, so I sorta expected that, but was also disappointed he could 
not think for himself.  He is a nice guy though, and seems to actually 
do stuff if you ask him, so I guess you can't get the whole package.


--R


On 10/4/13 4:22 PM, clay wrote:

Something passed that nobody read.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.  It all 
comes back to bite you in the butt down the road.

clay



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Craig]

On Fri, 04 Oct 2013 15:46:49 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 The president has changed the law that Congress passed (barely, but
 that is another story) by postponing the employer mandate by 1 year.  
 Congress said, Do this and the president decided to do something 
 else.  Not sure what consequences there are to that unilateral action 
 (which is not really allowed) but there you go.

Yes, where are those on the left who are waxing poetic on how the law was
passed and signed and declared Constitutional by the Supreme Court when
Obama has violated the law by postponing the employer mandate and giving
out exemptions to his buddies and supporters? Why are they not pushing
for him to go to jail?


 Seems like the whole thing is just one giant mess.

That is an extreme understatement. And that doesn't even address the lack
of computer security and proper functioning.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Gary Hurst]

do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
people's rackets?

why is it 1200 pages long other than the keep lawyers and other similar
parasites employed?  how does a man support a law if he doesn't even know
what it contains?  etc


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I actually read a version of the law before the one that had to be passed
 to find out what was in it.  It was like 1200 pages long pdf, but it was
 widely spaced and not much on each page, so it went pretty fast.  the thing
 that struck me about it was how much of it had very little to do with
 provision of health/medical care, and how much asserted that various
 commissions, boards, panels, etc. were to go off and figure it out, without
 a lot of guidance on what it actually was.  A lot of it also related to
 other laws that needed to be changed, superseded, deleted, etc. to read
 differently in various provisions of those.  So there was actually not much
 of anything in there that one could divine what was actually meant or
 intended. Most curious, but then I thought about it, and it became clearer.

 I questioned a local candidate for the state legislature, who was waxing
 enthusiastic about the PPACA, if he had actually read the law and
 understood it sufficiently to 1) be enthusiastic and 2) vote on things in
 the legislature regarding the law and whatever requirements it would impose
 on the state.  His response was that no, he had not actually read it, and
 did not know anyone who had, at which point I said I did and he then
 said, Well, it is Obama's law, so I am all for it!  This guy is a black
 democrat, which reflects most of our population in this district, so I
 sorta expected that, but was also disappointed he could not think for
 himself.  He is a nice guy though, and seems to actually do stuff if you
 ask him, so I guess you can't get the whole package.

 --R



 On 10/4/13 4:22 PM, clay wrote:

 Something passed that nobody read.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
  It all comes back to bite you in the butt down the road.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

If both parties of Congress did their job when they passed the budget they
would not need to ask for an increase in the debit limit at a later date.
 Its all political games.  Its like buying a house, moving in, and then
months later getting a loan approved.



On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
 people's rackets?

 why is it 1200 pages long other than the keep lawyers and other similar
 parasites employed?  how does a man support a law if he doesn't even know
 what it contains?  etc


 On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  I actually read a version of the law before the one that had to be passed
  to find out what was in it.  It was like 1200 pages long pdf, but it was
  widely spaced and not much on each page, so it went pretty fast.  the
 thing
  that struck me about it was how much of it had very little to do with
  provision of health/medical care, and how much asserted that various
  commissions, boards, panels, etc. were to go off and figure it out,
 without
  a lot of guidance on what it actually was.  A lot of it also related to
  other laws that needed to be changed, superseded, deleted, etc. to read
  differently in various provisions of those.  So there was actually not
 much
  of anything in there that one could divine what was actually meant or
  intended. Most curious, but then I thought about it, and it became
 clearer.
 
  I questioned a local candidate for the state legislature, who was waxing
  enthusiastic about the PPACA, if he had actually read the law and
  understood it sufficiently to 1) be enthusiastic and 2) vote on things in
  the legislature regarding the law and whatever requirements it would
 impose
  on the state.  His response was that no, he had not actually read it, and
  did not know anyone who had, at which point I said I did and he then
  said, Well, it is Obama's law, so I am all for it!  This guy is a black
  democrat, which reflects most of our population in this district, so I
  sorta expected that, but was also disappointed he could not think for
  himself.  He is a nice guy though, and seems to actually do stuff if you
  ask him, so I guess you can't get the whole package.
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 10/4/13 4:22 PM, clay wrote:
 
  Something passed that nobody read.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
   It all comes back to bite you in the butt down the road.
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Craig]

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:04:40 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
wrote:

 If both parties of Congress did their job when they passed the budget
 they would not need to ask for an increase in the debit limit at a
 later date. Its all political games.  Its like buying a house, moving
 in, and then months later getting a loan approved.

That's an apt illustration. What happens when those that fund the loan
(not those who say you can borrow that much) decide they don't want to
do it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[G Mann]

Have a look at the following link, which is a picture of the ACA bill, as
passed, plus all the regulations which are now a part of this bill by
authority of the law, from the various agencies now having authority to
write regulations [weight of law, no direct representation of Citizens in
writing regulation]

The stack now towers some 7 feet high. You are responsible to know every
word and it's meaning [Ignorance of the law is no defense, remember].

The page count now comes to over 20,000 pages and still rising.

For those of you that have not grasp yet what has to happen for this law to
go into effect, Congress has to FUND THE LAW to implement it.. no tickee,
no laundree GI.  Without funding,,, it doesn't function.  It's on the
books, yes.. but so is that law that says you can't spit on sidewalks...

http://twitchy.com/2013/03/12/whoa-sen-mcconnell-tweets-shocking-photo-of-the-2-pages-of-obamacare-regulations/

Only 20,000 pages what could possibly go wrong??


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Sometimes you just have to celebrate the checks and balances form of
 government.  We can see it in action now.  It allows no one part of the
 government to over power the other, and run rough shod over the governed.
  As long as they keep at each others necks, it is all good.  When it
 implodes, then it can be built up clean and sparkly.  Better fit and able
 to meet the real needs of the populace.

 Local liberal coverage is trying to place blame, but in reading the
 reporting of statement made by out states congress critters, they are far
 more entrenched in their positions than the right.  Less willing to
 sacrifice their own pay to help their staffers, and have a giant sense of
 entitlement to suckle at the public teat, while those across the aisle are
 putting pay in escrow for their staff, or making a cut equivalent to the
 one taken by the rest of the federal employees.

 Compromise is not a game the left is willing to play.  So, the show down
 continues.

 clay


 On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

  So, are you folks like the government? Have you been shut down?
 
  Randy in Canada where we don't seem able to figure out how to shut down
 the government
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Dan wrote:
 ...I see the current approach as being fundamentally flawed and totally 
 inappropriate.


I probably agree with your sentiment but sounds more progressive than
I suspect out of you.  Actually, I probably sound more progressive
than I like also.  On gov't - I get all libertarian.  The functions of
gov't can be done by we the people.  We the people have been
supplanted.  We can take that back via sacrifice.  Ask about the
teacher that taught my kids.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

drfatty wrote:
 do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
 people's rackets?

Such as the news racket?
Blather on and on.
Then jump to debt.
...eh...
The gov't runs on and on.
Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
 I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
pawns in the racket of news reporting.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Grant wrote:
 Have a look at the following link, which is a picture of the ACA bill...

30 years ago I helped write project status reports and such.  My boss
would say about the reports... If you can't make it good, make it
thick.  Maybe he is in DC?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Greg Fiorentino]

...we are pawns in the racket of news reporting.

Only if we're too lazy to find alternate information sources.  I've been in
the boots on the ground and later seen the event reported by journalists;
so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or 2 of salt.

Greg

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drfatty wrote:
 do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot 
 of people's rackets?

Such as the news racket?
Blather on and on.
Then jump to debt.
...eh...
The gov't runs on and on.
Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
 I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and 
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mountain Man]

Greg wrote:
 so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or 2 of salt.


Yabbut...
There ain't nuthin' but lamestream anymore.  All the sources out there
are re-mouthing other talking heads.
Also, I suspect even the local blather is all 6-figure entertainers
that have advertiser money on the mind disease - advertisers are the
cash cow.
Are there any talking heads that make middle class incomes?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Rick Knoble]

On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 What happens when those that fund the loan
 (not those who say you can borrow that much) decide they don't want to
 do it?


Interest rates go up. Credit ratings drop. The ability to even service the 
interest on the debt disappears. Economic calamity ensues, followed by economic 
collapse. Then a new (digital) currency is announced and implemented. 

You asked. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Mountain Man wrote:

Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA?


Everybody is affected by ACA, unless they already have Medicaid, or don't have 
insurance of any sort and plan to entirely ignore the new law.


Here's the effect on me: Right now, the best deal I can find is $187/mo for 
$2000 deductible full coverage with $2000 cap on out of pocket expenses. Same 
plan is $132 with $5k deductible. This sort of insurance is everything I could 
ever want, except maybe I could want more in-network doctors.
An ACA compliant policy from the same insurance company would cost $443/month 
with a $6000 deductible.


Let's go over that again: Today, $5k deductible costs $132/month, in January, 
$6k deductible costs $443.43/month, or an increase of 20% in out of pocket 
liability for an increase of 236% in premium.


I don't care if they offer me a $4k tax credit, I'm not buying health insurance 
at 2014 prices.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Mitch Haley]

Greg Fiorentino wrote:

...we are pawns in the racket of news reporting.

Only if we're too lazy to find alternate information sources.  I've been in
the boots on the ground and later seen the event reported by journalists;
so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or 2 of salt.


Once I read an account of a situation that I had first hand knowledge of and 
there were some major factual inconsistencies between what I knew and what was 
published.


Another time, I read a personal interest story which included an interview of 
somebody I knew. Then I saw a letter to the editor that she wrote, complaining 
that what she was quoted as saying was very different from what she actually said.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Jim Cathey]

Congress said, Do this and the president decided to do something 
else.  Not sure what consequences there are to that unilateral action 
(which is not really allowed) but there you go.


Only one, that I know of: Impeachment, followed by replacement
by the next guy in line, who's presumably more willing to execute
the law as passed.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

That _is_ the feedback mechanism.  The check, or balance.
Whatever you want to call it.

Congress needs no more justification than we want to to
eject a president.  But a lot of 'em have to want it bad,
enough to risk their own later reprisals at the polls.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Greg Fiorentino]

My experience exactly!

Greg

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Greg Fiorentino wrote:
 ...we are pawns in the racket of news reporting.
 
 Only if we're too lazy to find alternate information sources.  I've 
 been in the boots on the ground and later seen the event reported by 
 journalists; so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or
2 of salt.

Once I read an account of a situation that I had first hand knowledge of and
there were some major factual inconsistencies between what I knew and what
was published.

Another time, I read a personal interest story which included an interview
of somebody I knew. Then I saw a letter to the editor that she wrote,
complaining that what she was quoted as saying was very different from what
she actually said.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Greg Fiorentino]

 All the sources out there are re-mouthing other talking heads.

There are a few bloggers out there that seem reliable.  But I always try to
look at all sides in order to separate the grain from the chaff.  After
having worked for 32 years within the gummint I became pretty good at
identifying the smell of horseshit.

Greg

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Greg wrote:
 so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or 2 of salt.


Yabbut...
There ain't nuthin' but lamestream anymore.  All the sources out there are
re-mouthing other talking heads.
Also, I suspect even the local blather is all 6-figure entertainers that
have advertiser money on the mind disease - advertisers are the cash cow.
Are there any talking heads that make middle class incomes?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Greg Fiorentino]

No chance that this senate will impeach this president!

Greg

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 Congress said, Do this and the president decided to do something 
 else.  Not sure what consequences there are to that unilateral action 
 (which is not really allowed) but there you go.

Only one, that I know of: Impeachment, followed by replacement by the next
guy in line, who's presumably more willing to execute the law as passed.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

That _is_ the feedback mechanism.  The check, or balance.
Whatever you want to call it.

Congress needs no more justification than we want to to eject a president.
But a lot of 'em have to want it bad, enough to risk their own later
reprisals at the polls.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Jim Cathey]

No chance that this senate will impeach this president!


Once they figure out they don't actually have to do
what they're told, I predict a rather steep decline.

'Course, were _I_ Obama being called on the carpet on
account of not implementing ACA (?) correctly, I'd just
fix 'em with a gaze and say: Fine!  Then _you_ explain
it to me.  I've tried reading it, but I got lost and then
I fell asleep.  I'm here, I'll even take notes.  And next
time give me something that is not pure crap to begin with.
Sir.

That, _also_, is never going to happen.  (Esp. since O
was behind originating it in the first place.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[WILTON]

'Zackly what's so frustrating about what I have experienced personally, 
especially in B-52's, being reported erroneously and in a misleading and 
sensational manner by too many journalists or wannabe journalists who 
embellish the facts with what they imagine or may have seen in some 
fictitious movie such as Dr. Strangelove, Fail Safe and others.  I've 
seen this happen not only with subjects relating to B-52's and the Air Force 
but other matters, as well, of which I have personal knowledge.  Therefore, 
I've learned to take a lot of the stuff I read, see and hear in the news 
with a bag of salt, as Greg already said, and as I've been telling my 
friends at lunch for years.


Wilton

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Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:41 PM
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Greg Fiorentino wrote:

...we are pawns in the racket of news reporting.

Only if we're too lazy to find alternate information sources.  I've been 
in
the boots on the ground and later seen the event reported by 
journalists;

so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or 2 of salt.


Once I read an account of a situation that I had first hand knowledge of 
and there were some major factual inconsistencies between what I knew and 
what was published.


Another time, I read a personal interest story which included an interview 
of somebody I knew. Then I saw a letter to the editor that she wrote, 
complaining that what she was quoted as saying was very different from 
what she actually said.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[WILTON]

And I'm a pretty good spotter of bulls**t.   ;)

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] slow day



 All the sources out there are re-mouthing other talking heads.

There are a few bloggers out there that seem reliable.  But I always try 
to

look at all sides in order to separate the grain from the chaff.  After
having worked for 32 years within the gummint I became pretty good at
identifying the smell of horseshit.

Greg

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Mountain

Man
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Greg wrote:

so I know to take lamestream media reports with a pound or 2 of salt.



Yabbut...
There ain't nuthin' but lamestream anymore.  All the sources out there are
re-mouthing other talking heads.
Also, I suspect even the local blather is all 6-figure entertainers that
have advertiser money on the mind disease - advertisers are the cash cow.
Are there any talking heads that make middle class incomes?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Jim Cathey]

I became pretty good at identifying the smell of horseshit.


It is the taste that I'm particularly averse to.

-- JIm



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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[mlh]

 I became pretty good at identifying the smell of horseshit.

 It is the taste that I'm particularly averse to.

Wish I could say that about my niece's little dog.
One night I let her out one last time before going to bed, and when I let
her back in the room filled with the stench of horse feces. We gave her a
bath, but the smell seemed undiminished.  The stench which was filling my
house was coming from the mouth of a 10lb Rat Terrier. Amazingly enough,
holding her down and attacking her with a tooth brush and mint flavored
toothpaste totally solved the problem.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Craig]

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 23:58:26 -0400 (EDT) m...@voyager.net wrote:

 The stench which was filling my house was coming from the mouth of a
 10lb Rat Terrier. Amazingly enough, holding her down and attacking her
 with a tooth brush and mint flavored toothpaste totally solved the
 problem.

Did it also solve the proclivity to repeat the ingestion?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Jim Cathey]

 reported erroneously and in a misleading and sensational manner by 
too many journalists or wannabe journalists who embellish the facts


So tell me, Mr. Reporter Sir, is it just that you're stupid, or 
incompetent?

Or merely a lying propagandist and not actually a reporter at all?
Feel free to quote me on this, if you like.  If you _can_.

Boy, am I in a squirrely mood today or what?!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V

[Scott Ritchey]

Hey Larry, NASA was very memorable despite the fact I drank a lot more back
then.  But in retrospect, every job I ever had was memorable and rewarding
to me but few are as well known by the general public.

Scott



Larry T wrote on July 22, 2013 7:01 AM

Hey Scott, we take what we can -- sounds like a great memory!
I bet those years working on the Apollo missionswas awesome!

LarryT





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Re: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V

[Larry T]

Hey Scott, we take what we can -- sounds like a great memory!
I bet those years working on the Apollo missionswas awesome!

LarryT

On 7/21/2013 5:20 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

That was then, this is now.  Then we worried about National prestige and the
economy.  Now we worry about the clicking sound of car door locks.

Back then I worked as a mission planner and flight controller on Apollo
12-17; so I never got to the Cape for a launch.  But I did stand next to a
tied-down F-15 at max afterburner on both engines (it was a fuel system
test).  It was literally awesome; shook my whole body.



-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Thomas
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V

44 years ago yesterday, men from Planet Earth first walked on the Moon.

This is what they used to get there. 1.5 million pounds of thrust from
EACH of 5 engines, more power flowing through the nozzle than was
electric power being generated in the whole United States at that
moment. Not one engine ever failed in flight, with 50+ year old technology.

Today we have no heavy lift capability.

Enjoy.

https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/07/21/apollo-11-saturn-v-launch-hd-camera
-e-8/

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V

[Larry T]

Very succinctly put! ;-)

LarryT

On 7/21/2013 5:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
NASA is doing muslim outreach, that is arguably a better application 
of resources than rocket engines and such.


--R


On 7/21/13 5:20 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
That was then, this is now.  Then we worried about National prestige 
and the

economy.  Now we worry about the clicking sound of car door locks.

Back then I worked as a mission planner and flight controller on Apollo
12-17; so I never got to the Cape for a launch.  But I did stand next 
to a

tied-down F-15 at max afterburner on both engines (it was a fuel system
test).  It was literally awesome; shook my whole body.



-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Thomas
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V

44 years ago yesterday, men from Planet Earth first walked on the Moon.

This is what they used to get there. 1.5 million pounds of thrust from
EACH of 5 engines, more power flowing through the nozzle than was
electric power being generated in the whole United States at that
moment. Not one engine ever failed in flight, with 50+ year old 
technology.


Today we have no heavy lift capability.

Enjoy.

https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/07/21/apollo-11-saturn-v-launch-hd-camera 


-e-8/

--R


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