Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 14:04 +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: He probably mean MS Mail, an ancient Microsoft mail system that no sane person should be running in 2007. Regardless, if NOOP is in the SMTP standard, and spamd does not handle it correctly, that is a bug that needs to be fixed. -- Shawn

cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread hiren
hi all, i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these includes: #include ctype.h #include err.h #include errno.h #include string.h #include unistd.h im just curious to hear opinions and learn something ;) -- Hiren Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PF: Redirect traffic to server in public internet

2007-03-19 Thread Matiss Miglans
Hi ! Maybe this is newbie question, but i cant find answer. I try to make redirection, the destination server is not in Lan, but in public Internet. Public Internet Router/PF with real IP Server with real IP in Public Internet

Re: Is OpenBSD VuXML broken?

2007-03-19 Thread Markus Bergkvist
http://flirble.disruptiveproactivity.com/rss/ /Markus Siju George wrote: Hi, The latest entry in http://www.vuxml.org/openbsd/ is 2006-01-10 clamav -- heap overflow in the UPX code more than a year now? is there any other place to get updated RSS feed for the same thing? Thankyou

adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
Dear list members, how could i adjust my mbuf size? Need i to compile a news kernel ?

Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Sid Carter
Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 14:04 +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: He probably mean MS Mail, an ancient Microsoft mail system that no sane person should be running in 2007. Regardless, if NOOP is in the SMTP standard, and spamd does not handle it correctly, that

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Artur Grabowski
SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Free as in FreeBSD (and NetBSD and DragonFly BSD etc.). War is peace, freedom is freebsd... //art

Re: spamlogd (how to specify port?)

2007-03-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 05:56:04PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-18 16:16]: On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 08:57:32PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/03/18 16:35, Peter wrote: On OpenBSD 4.0, how do I specify what port spamlogd should consider

Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Sid Carter
Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 3/18/07, Sid Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: greylisting. On further investigation, we found out that the MS Mail servers send a NOOP before they start sending other SMTP commands and spamd returns a 451 even for a NOOP causing the SMTP connection to

Re: SCSI, LUNs, and volume sizes

2007-03-19 Thread daniele . pilenga
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/18/2007 02:22:39 PM: I'm running an OpenBSD 4.0 system (generic kernel), fitted with an Adaptec 29160 SCSI card (so using the ahc driver), with the intention of running an external 3Tb RAID5 array (a Nexsan ATAboy). The intention is to setup a variety of

Re: cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread Vincent GROSS
On 3/19/07, hiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these includes: #include ctype.h #include err.h #include errno.h #include string.h #include unistd.h im just curious to hear opinions and learn something ;) Have you tried to run it

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 03:21]: Free as in FreeBSD ahh, I finally get it. dry like water hot like ice free like freebsd -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated

whats wrong with my iwi still ieee80211: nwid -50dBm

2007-03-19 Thread Jay Jesus Amorin
#dmesg OpenBSD 4.0 (GENERIC) #1: Mon Mar 19 00:36:34 PHT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.50 GHz cpu0:

Net PF default behavior

2007-03-19 Thread Renaud Allard
Hello, In the changelog from 4.0 to 4.1, I read: # In pf.conf(5), make 'flags S/SA keep state' the implicit default for filter rules. Does this only apply to tcp (as suggested by the flags) or to all protocols? Also, is there a way to specify that there should be no state kept? I am trying to

Re: Net PF default behavior

2007-03-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/03/19 12:09, Renaud Allard wrote: In the changelog from 4.0 to 4.1, I read: # In pf.conf(5), make 'flags S/SA keep state' the implicit default for filter rules. Does this only apply to tcp (as suggested by the flags) or to all protocols? you can see for yourself with pfctl -vf

Re: Net PF default behavior

2007-03-19 Thread Renaud Allard
Renaud Allard wrote: Hello, In the changelog from 4.0 to 4.1, I read: # In pf.conf(5), make 'flags S/SA keep state' the implicit default for filter rules. Does this only apply to tcp (as suggested by the flags) or to all protocols? Also, is there a way to specify that there should be no

Re: Net PF default behavior

2007-03-19 Thread Henning Brauer
* Renaud Allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 12:22]: In the changelog from 4.0 to 4.1, I read: # In pf.conf(5), make 'flags S/SA keep state' the implicit default for filter rules. Does this only apply to tcp (as suggested by the flags) or to all protocols? all protocols. flags only apply

Re: Net PF default behavior

2007-03-19 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Renaud Allard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am trying to make pptp VPN pass through my nat firewall, it worked great with 3.9 and is not working anymore with 4.1. I know that when I put a keep state for GRE protocol it didn't work and without the keep state it worked, but that may be unrelated.

configuration options of openNTPD

2007-03-19 Thread lorenz . feldmann
Hi, Can anybody tell me, what configuration options openNTPD supports? Does it support anything additional to the documentations of ntpd and ntpd.conf on openntpd.org? especially im interested in the option peer known with NTPD. Thanks and regards, Lorenz

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Artur Grabowski wrote: SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Free as in FreeBSD (and NetBSD and DragonFly BSD etc.). War is peace, freedom is freebsd... freedom is regime change, war is profit. //art

Re: cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread hiren
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:14:00AM +0100, Vincent GROSS wrote: On 3/19/07, hiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these includes: #include ctype.h #include err.h #include errno.h #include string.h #include unistd.h im just

Re: cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, hiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these includes: #include ctype.h #include err.h #include errno.h #include string.h #include unistd.h im just curious to hear opinions and learn something ;) That's probably because

sendto: No buffer space available

2007-03-19 Thread Walter Doerr
Hello, I am using an OpenBSD 4.0 box connected to a 2Mbit SDSL line in Germany (using user space PPP). When pinging a host across the SDSL line, I get an occasional sendto: No buffer space available message: 64 bytes from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp_seq=566 ttl=254 time=62.674 ms 64 bytes from

Re: Have a OpenBSD store in Asia? Is it possible?

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Rafael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/19/07, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.genesis.com.hk/ Uh, doesn't look like they're selling OpenBSD reallly... Nonetheless when I enter the site my account was created and I could access my website right away using

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: Hello, I am using OpenBSD on server since few years now, and I am very happy with it's easy maintenance and it's stability. I want to try on desktop, and I am

Re: OT? Is this bad news?

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 07:31:14PM +0200, Marius ROMAN wrote: Programming documentation is restricted also because the hardware is full of bugs and like Theo said there is no errata for a lot of hardware. On the other hand, some vendors go as far as releasing even the schematics and gerbers

Re: cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Nick ! wrote: On 3/19/07, hiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these includes: #include ctype.h #include err.h #include errno.h #include string.h #include unistd.h im just curious to hear

Re: firefox compiling dependence

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:38:02AM +0800, ronald jiang wrote: I want to compiling firefox in obsd4.0. I've installed obsd fully. What else do I need to compile firefox? If you want to compile and not install from binary, read about the ports on openbsd.org faq page I think it's section 5. Be

Re: Sony laptop sound problems with auich0 and openbsd 3.9, 4.0, 4.1-beta.

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:34:52PM -0800, zion wrote: Hello list, Having serious problems with Sony PCG-V505EX laptop. Basically, sound doesn't work unless there is some activity (traffic) on fxp0 or iwi0 interfaces. Even if there is some traffic, sound grinds to a halt after few seconds.

Re: whats wrong with my iwi still ieee80211: nwid -50dBm

2007-03-19 Thread Kurt Miller
On Monday 19 March 2007 6:51:37 am Jay Jesus Amorin wrote: iwi0: flags=8802BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500 lladdr 00:12:f0:c7:30:a9 media: IEEE802.11 autoselect status: no network ieee80211: nwid my_net nwkey 0x1deadbeef1 -50dBm inet 192.168.1.1

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:44PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: Hello, I am using OpenBSD on server since few years now, and I am very happy with it's easy maintenance and it's stability. I want to try on desktop, and I am

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Jason Beaudoin
snip Everything is much slower than existing Linux system. For example, Firefox takes 3-5 seconds to start on Linux but ~10 seconds on OpenBSD on same machine! I have the same problem. The FFS doesn't seem to be as fast as ext2. The issue is not filesystem speed, but rather prelinking

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:23:28PM +0100, Vim Visual wrote: Agreed. It's not the lawsuit that makes people use Linux instead of the BSD's; it's the holier-than-thou, fuck-'em-if-they-dare-question-our-judgement attitude. Jeff indeed... actually, I was curious to see what answers

Re: FreeBSD Announces Intel Approval for Redistribution of Wireless Firmware

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 10:43:27AM +0100, Alexander Farber wrote: FYI (sorry if this already been mentioned here): http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/03/prweb509818.htm In order to use the firmware provided by Intel, FreeBSD users must first agree with the license. FreeBSD developers have

Re: adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, how could i adjust my mbuf size? Need i to compile a news kernel ? kern.maxclusters allows setting new limits for mbufs. This would supposedly go out with the same tuning warnings as usual; you may find you need a very

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:00 +0100: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: (...) I would like to point out here that the idea of optimization is

Re: configuration options of openNTPD

2007-03-19 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Lorenz, Can anybody tell me, what configuration options openNTPD supports? First guess: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ntpd.confsektion=5arch=i386apropos=0manpath=OpenBSD+Current For the latest and greatest. Normally, around here the mantra is something like If it's not in

Re: SCSI, LUNs, and volume sizes - SOLVED

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Fairhead
daniele.pilenga wrote: First, those SCSIFORCELUN* options are no longer used in 4.0... this cost me a few days to figure out! :-\ I did wonder about that; those options are missing from the manpage, but used to be there... All I was able to do was make my server see the first lun, but not the

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
I have the same problem. The FFS doesn't seem to be as fast as ext2. Since OpenBSD sucks so hard it might be time to upgrade to something much more feature rich. I suggest Linux or OSX or Vista. Suggesting things is fun!

DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread JOHN LUCKEY
Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. TIA John

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: Hello, I am using OpenBSD on server since few years now, and I am very happy with it's easy maintenance and it's stability. I want to try on desktop, and I am having trouble. Everything is much slower than

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:35:14AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 03:21]: Free as in FreeBSD ahh, I finally get it. dry like water hot like ice free like freebsd FreeBSD is released under BSD licence and therefore is free software, see

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are source of bugs, but bugs in GCC. But if you write a program and the user

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Open Phugu
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: Hello, I am using OpenBSD on server since few years now, and I am very happy with it's easy maintenance and it's stability. I want to try on desktop, and I am having trouble.

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread RedShift
Claudio Jeker wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:44PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:36:00PM -0500, R. Fumione wrote: Hello, I am using OpenBSD on server since few years now, and I am very happy with it's easy maintenance and it's stability. I want to try on desktop,

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: I have a feeling that the campaign means We don't want vendors to require us to use a blob but we'll ocassionally use them when we have to other way, while Theo means I don't want vendors to require us to use a blob and I refuse to use them even

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed by projects which embrace the Blob? So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim GPL license is bad and BSD license is good and ship operating system with GPLed code?

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Artur Grabowski
Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are source of bugs, but bugs in GCC. Good thing we're not just programmers, but actually

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
Not if he makes his saving throw! I bet you he has a cloak of infinite karma too. So not hit-points lost! On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:57:58AM +, Jason George wrote: Hi, this is the conversation I had with Theo: You just made private emails public, almost certainly without the

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:23:43AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: Aggressive compiler optimizations are not generally a good idea. The developers believe they are an unnecessary

Re: sendto: No buffer space available

2007-03-19 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:40:02PM +0100, Walter Doerr wrote: Hello, I am using an OpenBSD 4.0 box connected to a 2Mbit SDSL line in Germany (using user space PPP). When pinging a host across the SDSL line, I get an occasional sendto: No buffer space available message: 64 bytes from

Re: adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread mickey
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:41:06AM -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, how could i adjust my mbuf size? Need i to compile a news kernel ? kern.maxclusters allows setting new limits for mbufs. this will set a new limit for

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Artur Grabowski
Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:35:14AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 03:21]: Free as in FreeBSD ahh, I finally get it. dry like water hot like ice free like freebsd FreeBSD is released under BSD licence

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew Weigel
Jason George wrote: This was sabre-rattling. Daniel made a pre-emptive tactical strike. There's a big difference. No, there's not a difference. Theo said he was willing to take the emails public; this Daniel guy took him at his word, and made them public. The only foul I see is Theo

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Chris Black
Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: I have a feeling that the campaign means We don't want vendors to require us to use a blob but we'll ocassionally use them when we have to other way, while Theo means I don't want vendors to require us to use a blob and

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Farrell
I thought it was free as in beer, but because of the blobs, not necessarily free as in you can do whatever you want with it... Because what can you do with a blob? Are you allowed to use a blob anywhere you want, in any situation? Are you allowed to crack open a blob and use parts of its code to

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Gregory Edigarov
JOHN LUCKEY wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. It isn't different from any UNIX system with BIND. So just google for the words dns howto, links to

Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Bob Beck
* Sid Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 03:25]: Regardless, if NOOP is in the SMTP standard, and spamd does not handle it correctly, that is a bug that needs to be fixed. Bullshit. that's not a good enough reason - spamd does not implement all of smtp, and never will. saying it's

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: I have a feeling that the campaign means We don't want vendors to require us to use a blob but we'll ocassionally use them when we have to other way, while Theo means I don't want vendors to

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Manuel Ravasio
Really? I have a completely different experience: I never managed to completely loose a filesystem, except by on OpenBSD... I've been using slackware linux on reiserfs and xfs for many years now, on my home PCs and company laptop (so, no real production environment) and I'm happy with both their

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
You are so uninformed that it isn't even funny to pick on you. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:04:46PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: I have a feeling that the campaign means We don't want vendors to require us to use a blob but we'll ocassionally

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Joel Dinel
On 03/19/07 at 7:33, JOHN LUCKEY wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/dns/index.html

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Adam PAPAI
JOHN LUCKEY wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. bind is part of the base system @ OpenBSD (default install). These manuals should help. man named

Re: Have a OpenBSD store in Asia? Is it possible?

2007-03-19 Thread Wim Vandeputte
Hey Michael, I use OpenBSD from 3.6, when every release is pre-ordered, i can't find a easy way to own a set. I live in China, Is it possible to have a OpenBSD store in Asia? China? Japan? Korean? or other coutries? Did you contact http://www.genesis.com.hk/ in Hong Kong? Or should we

multichannel sound

2007-03-19 Thread Dmitry
Hi, FreeBSD sysctl supports hw.snd.pcm0.vchans and hw.snd.maxautovchans. With this variables user may hear sound from many apps at one time. How I can do this in OpenBSD. My friend says that this possible only when current app link with lossaudio(3). Maybe there is another way? Sorry for my

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Dave Anderson
** Reply to message from Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:46 +0100 On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: I have a feeling that the campaign means We don't want vendors to require us to use a blob but we'll ocassionally use them when we have to other way,

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Mispunt
On 3/19/07, JOHN LUCKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. TIA John an unofficial source, but it was very usefull to me..

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have also a feeling that deleting huge files or large directories with loads of tiny files in subdirectories is slower. A feeling?? Entirely subjective readings like this mean nothing and are at best noise and at worst FUD. Come on, be

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
If you like losing data ext3 and reiserfs work just fine. I manage to lose Linux installations pretty often by doing crazy things like rebooting. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:41:05PM +0100, RedShift wrote: Claudio Jeker wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:44PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:42:26PM +0200, Gregory Edigarov wrote: JOHN LUCKEY wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. It isn't different from any

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:23:43AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: Aggressive compiler optimizations are not generally a good idea.

Re: Google's Perftools and tcmalloc - Worth the risk?

2007-03-19 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Wilson wrote: I dunno. Am I being overly paranoid, or should I stick with nice dependable old-fashioned malloc? I usually take dependable and slightly slower over faster and nastier any day. Especially if it's fast enough. --

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed by projects which embrace the Blob? So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim GPL license is bad and BSD license is good and

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Manuel Ravasio [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT): Really? I have a completely different experience: I never managed to completely loose a filesystem, except by on OpenBSD... I've been using slackware linux on reiserfs and xfs for many years

acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Glaus
Sorry, I've asked this before and didn't get a response.. am I asking this incorrectly - or in the wrong place? Hello all, I'm trying to get a mini pci card working on OpenBSD 4.0. I ripped this card out of a dlink router that we weren't using. From what I understand it's supposed to use the

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:24 -0500: Jason George wrote: This was sabre-rattling. Daniel made a pre-emptive tactical strike. There's a big difference. No, there's not a difference. Theo said he was willing to take the emails

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Jason George
Jason George wrote: This was sabre-rattling. Daniel made a pre-emptive tactical strike. There's a big difference. No, there's not a difference. Theo said he was willing to take the emails public; this Daniel guy took him at his word, and made them public. The only foul I see is Theo

acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0 - Re-post

2007-03-19 Thread mail-lists
Sorry, I've asked this before and didn't get a response.. am I asking this incorrectly - or in the wrong place? Hello all, I'm trying to get a mini pci card working on OpenBSD 4.0. I ripped this card out of a dlink router that we weren't using. From what I understand it's supposed to use the

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Artur Grabowski
Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:23:43AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct.

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Pawel Jakub Dawidek [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:02:47 +0100: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed by projects which embrace the Blob? So isn't it rather

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:33:42AM -0700, JOHN LUCKEY wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. Sure, I have that exact setup running. I've pasted a

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Pawel, Pawel Jakub Dawidek schrieb am Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:02:47PM +0100: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed by projects which embrace the Blob? So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
JOHN LUCKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. Assuming that you don't need dynamic updates, Dan Bernstein has EXACT guidelines for his djbdns: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html Look for How to

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread RedShift
Marco Peereboom wrote: If you like losing data ext3 and reiserfs work just fine. I manage to lose Linux installations pretty often by doing crazy things like rebooting. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:41:05PM +0100, RedShift wrote: Claudio Jeker wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:44PM +0100,

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Jason George
It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that are source of bugs, but bugs in GCC. But if you write a program and the user finds it full of bugs, are they going to care that

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:59:06 +0100: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:15:16AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote: snip Everything is much slower than existing Linux system. For example, Firefox takes 3-5 seconds to start on Linux but ~10

OpenBGPD and private-as

2007-03-19 Thread Jon Morby
Might be a dumb question, but what's the equivalent of neighbor ip address remove-private-as in OpenBGPD I've just noticed we're advertising prefixes 65xxx to our upstream providers when we should be stripping them from our advertisements. -- Jon Morby FidoNet Registration Services Ltd

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:27:29 +0100: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:35:14AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-19 03:21]: Free as in FreeBSD ahh, I finally get it. dry like water hot like ice free like

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:00:49 +0100: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Nick ! wrote: On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: Aggressive compiler

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Farrell
Yeah but what die is he rolling? I'm tired of rolling a six-sided die against blobs and hobgoblins when all the level 23 developer-clerics are using a 20-sided die... simply not fair!!! danno -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco

Re: acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0

2007-03-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/03/19 11:14, Steve Glaus wrote: I'm trying to get a mini pci card working on OpenBSD 4.0. I ripped this card out of a dlink router that we weren't using. From what I understand it's supposed to use the acx driver. Knowing that minipci can be fiddly, I would double-check it's inserted

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Farrell
Are you looking to make the DNS server a caching-only DNS server or are you going to have be authoritative for a domain (or set of domains?) (If you don't know the answer to this question then any 'examples' are going to be lost on the ignorant... no offense, you should understand this before

Re: Google's Perftools and tcmalloc - Worth the risk?

2007-03-19 Thread Chris 'Xenon' Hanson
Tobias Weingartner wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Wilson wrote: I dunno. Am I being overly paranoid, or should I stick with nice dependable old-fashioned malloc? I usually take dependable and slightly slower over faster and nastier any day. Especially if it's fast enough.

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 04:19:11PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: We can analogically use this argument for ocassional errors in memory, too. If We can, but we won't. Yes, the GCC bugs should be fixed. Yes, it's important to communicate with the GCC people that -O2 breaks things sometimes. This

Re: cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 02:07:25PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Nick ! wrote: On 3/19/07, hiren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these includes: #include ctype.h #include err.h #include

Re: adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
Ok, Here is my output of netstat: $ netstat -m 331 mbufs in use: 326 mbufs allocated to data 2 mbufs allocated to packet headers 3 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 72/152/6144 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 420 Kbytes allocated to network (53% in use) 0

Re: acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0 - Re-post

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, mail-lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I've asked this before and didn't get a response.. am I asking this incorrectly - or in the wrong place? This is the right place, you just haven't done your research so no one bothered to answer. You might want to look into [EMAIL

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-19 Thread Kyle George
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Karel Kulhavy wrote: What about Charlie Root testing something remotely through cron and then Ok, I'll bite. This is not hard. Here's something I did real quick. Use at your own risk. Replace XXX with your closest ftp mirror from http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html.

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