On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
someone told me that pf is garbage because it is not multithreaded?
What truth is there to this? Under what kind of
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
probably fatally broken.
Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding and
retrieving that particular article or
Juan Miscaro jmisc...@gmail.com writes:
someone told me that pf is garbage because it is not multithreaded?
What truth is there to this? Under what kind of load would an OpenBSD
firewall's performance suffer due to it being non-multithreaded?
I would think that would be a fair question to
Lars Nooden wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
probably fatally broken.
Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding and
retrieving
pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes:
I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who told
you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded:
eh, because it is *not* multithreaded:
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes:
I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who
told
you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded:
eh, because it is *not* multithreaded:
Now watch when application programmers use multithreaded
STARTTLS should be the first command the client issues, long before
DATA, but you seem confused as to who is connecting to spamd. Your
clients should never be talking to spamd to submit mail.
Sorry,
I maybe confused about the term for MTAs using ssl to deliver mail to
me. I just feel wrong
Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
I maybe confused about the term for MTAs using ssl to deliver mail to
me. I just feel wrong using tls for delivering mail to other servers or
atleast a hop, without letting them do the same.
Well, spamd never actually tries to deliver mail. In a
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Tony Abernethy wrote:
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2006/EECS-2006-1.pdf
first choice googling: threads berkeley
Thanks. You have better luck with Google than I did. berkeley threading
won't find it. Repeating once more for the archive:
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Lars Nooden wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
probably fatally broken.
Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding
Jan Stary wrote:
On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
someone told me that pf is garbage because it is not multithreaded?
What truth is there to this?
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes:
I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who
told
you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded:
eh, because it is *not* multithreaded:
Now watch when application
On 5 May 2010 01:07, Geoff g...@oat.com wrote:
Juan Miscaro jmisc...@gmail.com wrote on Tue, 4 May 2010 22:15:09 -0400
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
someone told me that pf is garbage
Well, spamd never actually tries to deliver mail. In a normal
scenario, the hosts that will talk to spamd are ones that have never
delivered mail to your site before (greylisting) or the ones we know
are trying to deliver spam (already blacklisted somewhere, greytrapped
etc).
I suppose
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html
The location of the blob in the tree is here:
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On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 03:30:06PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Do you not think it would be better for mail servers to try ssl on one
port and then plain on port 25 if a rst or timeout occurs. Then it
would be harder for attackers to force falling back to plain and
forcing only tls would be
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote:
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html
The location of the blob in the
I heard that after being stuck at around 3ghz at a reasonable temp for
ages. Intel decided to go multicore and just after the time the
decision was made, a breakthrough in single core was made and ignored
as development was redirected. I imagine they would have hit another
barrier though,
On Wed, 5 May 2010 17:44:48 +0200, Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net wrote:
Blobs that run on hardware like PCI cards != blobs that run on the same
processor as the kernel.
What is the difference between inaccessible firmware on expansion cards
and firmware blobs uploaded to expansion cards by the
It's not a blob, it is firmware image and there are a few of them in the
tree. Blobs are binary drivers.
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote:
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob
2010/5/5 Kent Watsen k...@watsen.net
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html
The location of the blob in the tree is here:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote:
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html
The location of the blob in the
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote:
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html
In OpenBSD's case, binary blob
Hi,
I would like to thank everybody who worked on libsndio/aucat, especially
ratchov@, I really love the design and the the it just works(TM)
experience.
I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the volume
control in aucat just works using the sliders. However I'm not quite
Dan Harnett dan...@harnett.name writes:
In OpenBSD's case, binary blob refers to binary-only drivers, not
firmware. Firmware is usually okay if it is documented and under an
acceptable license.
Specifically, the license needs to grant the OpenBSD project the right
to redistribute the
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Kent Watsen wrote:
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
You've just walked into an old flame war. See
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=119983946724267
Kent Watsen wrote:
There is a discussion on the osol-discuss mailing list this morning where
it's pointed out that OpenBSD source tree has a blob in it:
http://osdir.com/ml/opensolaris-discuss/2010-05/msg00095.html
The location of the blob in the tree is here:
Hello:
I am trying to understand why this is happening. I have an older laptop and
a new old pcmcia serial interface card (Quatech Inc, RS-232 Serial Port PC
Card, SSP-100).
So, when I first booted the 4.6 stable image with the pcmcia card in the
slot, it would not recognize it (com3 at
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
Hi,
I would like to thank everybody who worked on libsndio/aucat, especially
ratchov@, I really love the design and the the it just works(TM)
experience.
;)
I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the volume
* Kevin Chadwick kevlar...@yahoo.co.uk [2010-05-05 18:00]:
I notice OpenBSD states one processor for applications and one for
boot. Does that increase security via priviledge/memory separation or
is it just because only one is used during boot?
the term application processor is misleading.
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote:
Jan Stary wrote:
On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
someone told me that pf is garbage
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
[snip]
I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the volume
control in aucat just works using the sliders. However I'm not quite
savvy in the
Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain:
I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about
software engineering in my university.
My feeling is that someone wrote it, never implemented it, and for
some stupid reason, the industry/academia bought it.
So as I regard
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
[snip]
I recently bought a
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 06:13:20PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
[snip]
I recently bought a Korg NanoKONTROL[1] midi controller and the volume
control in aucat
On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain:
I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about
software engineering in my university.
User Mode Linux works ok, you should probably try asking over on one of
the
Ugh...
If the attacker can modify the EHLO to not include STARTTLS he surely
can also send a RST in response to your attempt to connect to another
port.
Also, SSL is completely useless without DNSSEC. You just need to spoof
the MX records or the A records they point to and you've lost.
I think the UML the OP is referring to is Unified Modeling Language
and Rational Unified Process.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Lars Nooden lars.cura...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain:
I'm really
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at
On Wed, 05.05.2010 at 14:31:32 -0500, Walter Goulet wgou...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the UML the OP is referring to is Unified Modeling Language
and Rational Unified Process.
I think this solves it:
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Lars Nooden lars.cura...@gmail.com wrote:
:P
;)
Kind
On 5 May 2010 16:25, Lars Nooden lars.cura...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain:
I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about
software engineering in my university.
User Mode
Hi,
I'm not an OpenBSD developer, but would like to chime in anyway:
On Wed, 05.05.2010 at 16:08:47 -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert
haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote:
I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about
software engineering in my university.
Many of those things
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:57:31PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert
haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote:
On 5 May 2010 16:25, Lars Nooden lars.cura...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/05/2010 10:08 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
Sorry for such an out of topic thread, hear my pain:
I'm really sick of hearing
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:49:51PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:19:05PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:17:15PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:20:38PM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at
I have sen many attempts at UML and they all ended in tears. Not
surprising because UML is an academic thing that does not apply to that
thing we call reality. Total waste of time. But wait, it gets
better! If you want to see it fail even more spectacularly use the
tools they have such as
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 03:48:24PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
I have sen many attempts at UML and they all ended in tears. Not
surprising because UML is an academic thing
Wasn't it a business thing from the beginning on, as you wrote in
the next paragraph?
that does not apply to that
I just lurk on this list. But UML modeling is not BS when used in some places.
In Linux or BSD programming, though, it would only really work for user
applications that are more OOP; UML isn't easy to do in C. [No need to whack
me, I know that OOP can be done in ANSI C but it usually is not.]
Hilarity.
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/uk/itsolutions/developer/RSDC2007/Rational_song.mp3
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 03:48:24PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
I have sen many attempts at UML and they all ended in tears. Not
surprising because UML is an academic thing that does not apply
I'm really sick of hearing about UML/RUP and all this boulshit about
software engineering in my university.
Unified Modeling Language...
I think it's just part of all that Java non-sense.
On 5 May 2010 19:35, dereck dereckhask...@yahoo.com wrote:
Messages like this are the reason I lurk here but seldom say anything.
Yes, we all have our crosses to bear - and some people have the bad luck of
never working with intelligent people.
Can you provide a real working example ?
Because
Can you provide a real working example ?
Because no one has ever done that for me.
Even if you can, can you provide 2 or three examples ?
I would think again on the never working with inteliigent people part.
Can you or anyone, prove that this works *more often than not* ?
I'm at the point
Messages like this are the reason I lurk here but seldom say anything.
Yes, we all have our crosses to bear - and some people have the bad luck of
never working with intelligent people.
--- On Wed, 5/5/10, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
From: Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us
blobs? multithreading?
What is this, troll week?
Hi,
my guess would be somewhere about line 2803 in pf.c:
when the rule matches for the first time, it reaches the if (af !=
AF_INET6) which is isn't (pfctl's parse.y sets it to 0 when AF
omitted). There's also a subtle name inconsistency between use of 'af'
and 'pd-af' (compare ICMP4 vs 6 cases),
On Wed, 05 May 2010 19:41:10 -0400, Eric Furman wrote:
blobs? multithreading?
What is this, troll week?
And bloody UML as well.
I wouldn't reply to any of the discussion because I'm in agreement
with you.
I think the trolls are getting a new paradigm though, selecting
topics that look like
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 07:27:46PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
Of course, if it's your mail server and clients you can use ips without
dns have certficates tied to those ips and even block or monitor resets,
none of which can be done with starttls and it is also a smaller window
of
Ok, now I think we can stop this post.
No one can present a working example.
Sorry for the noise.
No one has time to provide examples for an email list. I said in my writeup
that I didn't care for the heavyweight RUP. But I've used in several places
the UML for documentation. However, if you think that no one is successfully
using UML processes for documentation my suggestion is that you get
Yep, you are correct. So, can I get your phone number to send our clients to
when they need another pointless opinion intended to start a flame?
Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between user programs and
system programs. The overwhelming majority of user-land programs are done
No one can resist UML threads!
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 09:54:00AM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2010 19:41:10 -0400, Eric Furman wrote:
blobs? multithreading?
What is this, troll week?
And bloody UML as well.
I wouldn't reply to any of the discussion because I'm in
On 5 May 2010 14:09, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote:
Jan Stary wrote:
On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? B Also, what applications are
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 05:05:52PM -0700, dereck wrote:
Yep, you are correct. So, can I get your phone number to send our clients to
when they need another pointless opinion intended to start a flame?
Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between user programs and
system
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 05:02:07PM -0700, dereck wrote:
No one has time to provide examples for an email list. I said in my writeup
that I didn't care for the heavyweight RUP. But I've used in several places
the UML for documentation. However, if you think that no one is successfully
I would really like to have your contact information as well for consulting.
You are obviously a really smart guy!
I'm sure that you did not read my writeup in which I _SPECIFICALLY_ pointed
out that C code wouldn't fit the UML. And since the other genius wanted my
own examples (as if most
Quoting Juan Miscaro jmisc...@gmail.com:
On 5 May 2010 14:09, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote:
Jan Stary wrote:
On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading
Shake out your head gear. There is a difference between user programs and
system programs. The overwhelming majority of user-land programs are done
in OOP languages. That Java nonsense just happens to be the most popular
programming language.
Yes and the vast majority of people is
Straw man and false analogy in one post. Batting 1000% so far.
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br wrote:
From: VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br
Subject: Re: OT - UML, can someone state that it works ?
To: dereckhask...@yahoo.com,
The computer industry is driven by fashion instead of quality...
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:29 +1200, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
Quoting Juan Miscaro jmisc...@gmail.com:
cut
Someone told me my Atari ST was garbage and their Amiga was better.
Of course Amiga was better!!! :-P
--
cut
/jm
--
Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez alv...@alvaromantilla.com
On Wed, 5 May 2010 19:25:54 -0700 (PDT), dereck wrote:
Like I said - you are a smart guy!
And you are not. If you were you would know that none of what you are
trolling about is of any relevance to OpenBSD.
It's just noise.
If you think that spamming the list to find the one or two people who
Someone told me my Atari ST was garbage and their Amiga was better.
Hey, I will stay out of the rest, but the Atari wasn't bad, however the
Amiga was really great and many years ahead of it's time. (; I had to
sale my 2000 and 1000 with all my books, my Astec compiler (Really
expensive piece
On 5/5/10 10:58 PM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:29 +1200, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
Quoting Juan Miscarojmisc...@gmail.com:
cut
Someone told me my Atari ST was garbage and their Amiga was better.
Of course Amiga was better!!! :-P
Yea men! Amen to
But here are the facts smart man: Java is so common that it is known to as
_the_ application language of our time - it is ubiquitous.
LMAO
Why don't YOU provide an example of some USEFUL program in Java?
toward it changes that not one bit. And a fair portion of this new Java is
documented
Hi,
I have been unable to get thinkorswim connected to the TDAmeritrade server
on OpenBSD.
Has anyone used thinkorswim from TDAmeritrade on OpenBSD?
thanks,
Marcel
discovery channel has shark week, misc@openbsd.org has troll week.
did you know that a troll's vision is actually very poor? their most
acute sense is that of smell, which they routinely use to find garbage
online.
Marco Peereboom wrote:
No one can resist UML threads!
On Thu, May 06,
Why don't YOU provide an example of some USEFUL program in
Java?
You are joking, right? Much of your day-to-day life activity (silently) works
in Java. For one example: most banking and financial firms have multiple
millions in investment in Java back office, Java Web Services and Web
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On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 04:08:47PM -0300, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
So as I regard the openbsd folks as highly skilled developers, I ask
for your opinion.
I'm not an OpenBSD Developer. Probably you asking on the wrong list.
Is my impression completely wrong ?
We've made a whole Java
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