Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Be
On 05/28/2017 03:31 PM, S.Brandt wrote: We have retired skins in the past, if they were unmaintained, outdated and had a successor (e.g. Outline, Phoney, LatenightBlues…). In acknowledgment of the good work of the current contributors, we basically keep tradition. I`m not happy with changing

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Josep Maria Antolin
Hi S.Brandt. Now that you mention Outline... the whole Wiki instructions about skins were written around Outline. As I found out, it was made with the now deprecated tag, fixed positioning (not resizable), so the skin itself is not exactly a good example anymore, but we should think about those

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread S.Brandt
We have retired skins in the past, if they were unmaintained, outdated and had a successor (e.g. Outline, Phoney, LatenightBlues…). In acknowledgment of the good work of the current contributors, we basically keep tradition. I`m not happy with changing the default skin once again for the 2.1

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Daniel Schürmann
> It seems we have an emerging consensus to remove Shade and update LateNight. Are we in agreement on this? Not yet. Here are my Netbook Test results: Mixxx load time: * Shade 7 s * Tango 59 s * Deere 2.1 32 s Deere 2.1 issues: * To big for maximized, view. Window decoration and task bar at too

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Be
On 05/28/2017 12:04 PM, Be wrote: On 05/28/2017 11:36 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: @Stephan: thank you for stepping in here. Is a card wall only skin really sufficient for a radio station, or is it only one device, along with a dual CD player and such? Looking at dedicated broadcasting apps,

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Be
It seems we have an emerging consensus to remove Shade and update LateNight. Are we in agreement on this? On 05/26/2017 03:02 AM, Be wrote: We have lots of changes to the UI for Mixxx 2.1, but significant work has only been done on the Deere and Tango skins. We need to decide what to do about

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Be
On 05/28/2017 11:36 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: @Stephan: thank you for stepping in here. Is a card wall only skin really sufficient for a radio station, or is it only one device, along with a dual CD player and such? Looking at dedicated broadcasting apps, the often feature a card wall with a

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Daniel Schürmann
@Stephan: thank you for stepping in here. Is a card wall only skin really sufficient for a radio station, or is it only one device, along with a dual CD player and such? Looking at dedicated broadcasting apps, the often feature a card wall with a common volume slider + two dedicated decks we with

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-28 Thread Be
I do not see anything different from a "cart wall player" and a grid of samplers other than the name. Cart wall software displays more information at a glance on the samplers like user defined color coding. Those features do not yet exist in Mixxx. It would be nice to add them and not just for

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Stéphane Lepin
Hi everyone, I think a dedicated "carts-only" skin, with only samplers and library access, could be an interesting addition for radio people, as this category of users would not be immediately interested by the DJing decks while looking for a cartwall software. I quickly tweaked LateNight to add

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Hi, I have found a good reference for a card wall player I had in mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JBaUZo51mg I think it would be far more straight forward to start from the scratch instead of putting this into Deere and Tango. On the other hand It will also work as a view setting for

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Be
On 05/27/2017 11:00 AM, Josep Maria Antolin wrote: > Also, there's another debate that is ignored but should not, and has to > do with loading times. It is known that Deere takes nearly double the > time than Latenight to load. On a fast machine this is just a minor > thing (if you're not

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Josep Maria Antolin
I see we have oppinions for each and every side. I thought that Shade was the only really useless skin, as a leftover from older versions and now I read one of the main developers is actually using it, either partially or fully. When moving from 1.11 (only a few months) to 1.12/2.0 I also felt

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Be
On 05/27/2017 10:01 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: By the way: in terms of beauty, I am still sad about dropping 1.1 Deere. This was quite polished am unique. I looked back at the 1.11 release announcement and found a screenshot of this skin:

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Be
On 05/27/2017 10:01 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: If we want to desig n for radio DJs, we should do usability tests with radio DJs. Watching real people interact with the design is much more useful than asking people on the Internet for feedback. Usability tests are quite easy to

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-27 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Deere and Tango both support all 4 mic & aux inputs supported by Mixxx. Fader start is not a skin issue. I think a big wall clock would probably be better served by an actual wall clock rather than a computer screen. Deere and Tango both have on-air indicators, but they could be more prominent if

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-26 Thread Be
On 05/26/2017 06:22 PM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: Why do we need a special radio skin? What would be useful on a radio specific skin that isn't already available in Tango or Deere? The layout and features for a radio skin are quite different. We can indeed support all required features

Re: [Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-26 Thread Be
Why do we need a special radio skin? What would be useful on a radio specific skin that isn't already available in Tango or Deere? I think the new sampler designs will be welcomed by radio DJs. If there are improvements that would help radio users, I'd rather modify Tango and Deere than fork

[Mixxx-devel] LateNight and Shade skins in Mixxx 2.1

2017-05-26 Thread Be
We have lots of changes to the UI for Mixxx 2.1, but significant work has only been done on the Deere and Tango skins. We need to decide what to do about LateNight and Shade. LateNight and Shade are both still using raster graphics. Now that we have support for scaling skins for high