MRB,
Ah yes, I can imagine the egotism of a nineteen-year-old girl could be an
excitement. Anything more?
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Michael R. Brown wrote:
Marsha -
How did you become interested in Ms. MacLane?
Why the detached interview?
I read the
Hi Dan
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, again, I think RMP has moved past James in ways that agree with
James' work. James (for one thing) never postulated that reality is
composed of value. He seemed to feel that experience HAD value but he
Marsha -
I can imagine the egotism of a nineteen-year-old girl could be an
excitement.
That wasn't it.
Anything more?
A great deal.
You cherry-pick what you answer.
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Michael R. Brown wrote:
Marsha -
I can imagine the egotism of a nineteen-year-old girl could be an excitement.
That wasn't it.
Anything more?
A great deal.
You cherry-pick what you answer.
MRB
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H Michael,
Yes,
Hello again Ham,
If you will forgive me for quoting from Miri Albahari's book, here's the crux
of the issue: ... Awareness purports to exist as a witnessing presence that
is unified, unbroken and yet elusive to direct observation. As something whose
phenomenology purports to be unborrowed
Hi Dan,
Apart from a few minor corrections (!) like ...
I'd say the science of influence IS another name for rhetoric,
And I'd say peace, love and understanding is all about (genuine)
respect for the person(s) you are dealing with, criticising,
disagreeing with or otherwise ... and a million
dmb said to Dan:
You're reading James as if he subscribed to subject-object metaphysics but
quite the opposite is true. The central point of his pure experience theory is
to oppose that. ...As Pirsig describes it, James's radical empiricism says
...subjects and objects are not the starting
Steve said:
...Sure, but the free will question is about HOW choices are made.
John replied:
Is it? I thought it was *whether* choice was made or even possible. Whether
it's possible to choose, to freely decide. ...I believe individuality is
itself a choice, and thus we don't make choices,
Dmb,
I asked you these question previously, but I'll try again.
Marsha:
Three questions:
Have you dropped the words 'free-will' and 'determinism'?
If you are using new words please define them clearly?
Please clearly explain the reformulation as you understand?
If you are not
Come on, dmb, how about answering the questions instead of conflating Steve and
Sam Harris...
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:49 AM, MarshaV wrote:
Dmb,
I asked you these question previously, but I'll try again.
Marsha:
Three questions:
Have you dropped the words
Dmb,
Let me add one more question:
If you think within the MoQ that free-will and determinism have new
definitions, please offer them...
Many thanks,
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:49 AM, MarshaV wrote:
Dmb,
I asked you these question previously, but I'll try again.
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:43 AM, Ian Glendinning
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Hi Dan,
Apart from a few minor corrections (!) like ...
I'd say the science of influence IS another name for rhetoric,
Hi Ian
Oh no. There is real verifiable science behind the influencing of
Marsha -
I asked why the detached-sounding interview. It sounded/felt stark. ; )
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Hi Michael,
It was not meant to be detached, or stark.
I am looking forward to reading your book and was curious to what made you
interested in her work.
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Michael R. Brown wrote:
Marsha -
I asked why the detached-sounding interview. It
Hi MarshaV
My attention is limited. I find it fortunate that I have two names Joseph
Maurer. I connect those names with Pirsig's DQ/SQ. Joe is DQ. Maurer is
SQ.
Joe
On 7/26/11 12:49 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Marsha:
There is no way to know what goes on before birth or after
Marsha -
It was not meant to be detached, or stark.
I believe you. : ) The tone sometimes comes in in long-term list
discussions. I'm an advocate for unusual lots of emotion -
http://typelogic.com/enfp.html and http://www.personalitypage.com/ENFP.html
.
I am looking forward to reading
Greetings Joe,
What happen to: do re me fa so la ti?
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi MarshaV
My attention is limited. I find it fortunate that I have two names Joseph
Maurer. I connect those names with Pirsig's DQ/SQ. Joe is DQ. Maurer is
SQ.
Joe
Hi Michael,
For me it's http://typelogic.com/intp.html and
http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP.html .
I may read in reverse order. Nineteen and twenty-one is sooo young. Such
youthful exuberance is wonderful, but the insights are somewhat limited. I
imagine; though, I am often visited
Hi Marsha -
As a teen I was a stern and earnest INTJ. I moved to the West Coast at 24
and within two years out came my ENFP'ness.
Interesting approach to Mary. I endorse. : )
On the anniversary of my husbands death I read every word in the many
volumes and burned them all.
I have lived
On Jul 26, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Michael R. Brown wrote:
Hi Marsha -
As a teen I was a stern and earnest INTJ. I moved to the West Coast at 24 and
within two years out came my ENFP'ness.
I took an online version a couple of years ago and I was still an INTP. - I
once owned a condo on the
Hi MarshaV,
There are a couple of ways to talk about reality: Manifestation and Order.
A rule for Order is Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Ti. The difference in quality
of Mi-Fa, and Ti-Do adds excitement to reality, nothing boring about
metaphysics. A single manifestation has three aspects: Active,
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Steve said:
...Sure, but the free will question is about HOW choices are made.
John replied:
Is it? I thought it was *whether* choice was made or even possible. Whether
it's possible to choose, to freely
Hi Dan,
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh no. There is real verifiable science behind the influencing of
others. Ad agencies know this. So does any good salesperson. Here are
just a few key findings backed up by empirical studies in Psychology,
Hi Marsha,
This witnessing capacity would fly straight in the face of Buddhism,
since it would require an inherent arrising of the witness. Your
thoughts?
Mark
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:49 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hello again Ham,
If you will forgive me for quoting from Miri
Hi Joe,
I like that! Personality lies in the first name, responsibility lies
in the last.
Mark
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV
My attention is limited. I find it fortunate that I have two names Joseph
Maurer. I connect those names with
Hi Marsha,
It sounds like you are requesting sexual favors. You can write to
Anthony Weiner for those.
Ha, Ha,
Mark
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:57 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Joe,
What happen to: do re me fa so la ti?
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Joseph Maurer
Michael,
You are also sounding like you are requesting sexual favors. I wonder
what Freud would make of me?
Mark
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Michael R. Brown m...@fuguewriter.com wrote:
Marsha -
I can imagine the egotism of a nineteen-year-old girl could be an
excitement.
That wasn't
Mark -
I never ask for sexual favors. I sometimes grant them, upon an appealing
enough request.
[ Kidding. ]
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Hi Mark,
It is still speculation and under investigation, but I cannot find anything
INHERENTLY existing. Nada. And I'm not sure what face of Buddha you think I
am aiming for. What do you think of the witnessing experience?
Marsha
On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:50 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi
I have no idea what you're talking about.
On 26/07/2011 22:43, 118 wrote:
So, Horse, my suggestion to you is to stop worshipping the peons of
this forum and direct your enthusiasm to others who are more
deserving.
--
Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
118 -
Yeah, I suppose if bus schedules need some fixin'.
Ers Sidis did a lot more than that. He was a significant if unheralded
libertarian theorist by the end of his life - got rid of the
anarcho-socialism and was pretty much over to minarchical libertarianism. He
also figured out some
Hi Horse,
Horse:
Steve and Dave go hammer and tongs at, for the most part I think,
philosophical issues. They have different interpretations of Pirsig (and
others) work and neither of them appear to be particularly aggrieved at the
treatment they both mete out to each other.
Steve:
The thing
dmb said:
... One of the biggest problems in this months-long thread is that Steve keeps
trying to make Sam Harris's determinism compatible with the MOQ's reformulation
and the result is not pretty.
Steve:
That's just another of your attempts to misrepresent my position rather than
engaging
Steve:said:
...I AM pissed about how dmb routinely treats people on this forum. That's why
I called him a dick. I'm fed up with it. There's just no way he could get away
taking the dickish pose he takes in this forum when talking to people in
person. That lousy social pattern of his would get
Hi Joseph -
Sorry for the long delay in answering - am email swamped and had to let this
thread languish.
Emotions are DQ only.
But they can leave SQ traces, I think, as in art-structures. And memory too.
Isn't ZAMM a genuine *memoir*? Makes me think of Walter Pater: To burn
always with
Hi, Steven Peterson -
I see it it emotions play the role on the biological level that carbon
plays on the inorganic level and language plays on the social level in
being that pattern that offers the versatility and stability needed for
the next level to evolve.
There's a very interesting
Hi, Dan Glover -
Welcome back!
Thanks so. I've been thinking about you guys - is this related to the list
LC is drawn from? (My books are in many boxes.)
no one here knows the totality of Robert Pirsig's thoughts. All we know is
what he's written in his two books and his subsequent
Hi, Ian Glendinning -
Michael (whoever you are)
I kinda wonder that a lot, and not at all, myself. It's interesting to
wander around.
Almost every discussion of Pirsig, the totality of his thought, and the
MOQ
(all three of which are separate) that I've seen eventually resemble the
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:59 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
dmb said to Dan:
You're reading James as if he subscribed to subject-object metaphysics but
quite the opposite is true. The central point of his pure experience theory
is to oppose that. ...As
Hi, Ian Glendinning -
the closer we look (analyze) the less actual freedom (DQ) we have
Because we have to narrow consciousness?
the more we have academic arguments about MOQ the further away we are
taken from MOQ. Closer to that old church of reason.
Reminds me of the huge length of the
Hi Marsha,
Your finding Nada may be a function of how you are looking for it. If
you use standard Subject/Object metaphysics, then of course you will
find nothing. In the same way that Atman cannot be found in that way.
This is one reason why Pirsig does not like that metaphysics.
However, if
Hi Michael,
Yes, I have tried to read much of that, I was inspired by Goodwill
Hunting many years ago. Like I said in my previous post, I do not
understand it (and I am pretty good at physics and bus schedules).
Perhaps I am not looking at it in the right way. But, I have got way
too much to
Hi Michael,
Thank you for the question. In both ZMM and Lila, Pirsig states that
by trying to wrap MoQ with words, Quality only becomes more hidden (my
specific words there by the way, not his). Therefore, the standard
Subject/Object Metaphysics does not work very well, and he has to
resort to
Hello everyone
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:48 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh no. There is real verifiable science behind the influencing of
others. Ad agencies know this. So does any good salesperson.
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