nsist of baldly specious reasoning,
hopelessly confused categories, archipelagos of logical fallacies buttressed by
seawalls of ...
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of X Acto
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:17 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 21, 2017, at 1:21 PM, ngriffis wrote:
>
> Ron, you mentioned Love of Wisdom, Seeking the Truth. Yes, that
> seems to be the right path alright. Would you talk about some of the logic
> traps you have found to be of most use to you? Is there a book on logic
> traps
an finally become an hour
and the hour, if you are fortunate, can become a day.
Dolphin
-Original Message-
From: X Acto [mailto:xa...@rocketmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January, 4, 2017 11:25 PM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
Sent from my iPhone
> On
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:03 PM, ngriffis wrote:
>
> It is ironic that this chat room is based on the philosophy of quality, as
> defined by Persig.
>
>Please, take a step away and let us talk about how someone, who
> believes in MOQ, applies these same principles to the
Dolphin, all,
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:03 PM, ngriffis wrote:
> It is ironic that this chat room is based on the philosophy of quality, as
> defined by Persig.
Ironic in what way?
>
> Please, take a step away and let us talk about how someone, who
> believes in MOQ, applies these same p
Sorry Tuuk not interested in playing your silly games.
This is a forum for adults - physically and mentally - and you just
don't cut it.
Don't bother re-applying.
Bye
Horse
--
"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take
our breath away."
— Bob Moorehe
al reality is the only
reality we can know. The phenomenal reality is NOT
romantic quality. When Pirsig refers to Dynamic Quality
as "direct everyday experience," "the primary empirical
reality," or quotes William James referring to "the
immediate flux of reality,"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02-Jan-17 13:22, Tuukka Virtaperko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please consider what it does to a person not to have a
>>>>>>>>> credible intellectua
during the holidays and
new year.
Signing off,
Dolphin
-Original Message-
From: Horse [mailto:ho...@darkstar.uk.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January, 3, 2017 2:08 PM
To: moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
What are you on about? Are you a complete idiot or do you take the
occasion
e" he is
talking about phenomenal reality as such.
Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite
preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the
MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first.
Buyer beware.
F
ring to "the immediate flux of
reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about
phenomenal reality as such.
Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite
preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ
or create an alternative without understanding it
everyday experience," "the primary empirical reality," or
quotes William James referring to "the immediate flux of
reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about
phenomenal reality as such.
Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite
gt;>>>> Grow up, get a job and make yourself useful to society And have
a great new year in the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>&
asing his entire argument on a logical fallacy.
>> >>>>>>> You may be a genius when it comes to logical functions but when
>> it comes to critical thinking skills you can't reason yourself out of a
>> wet paper bag.
>> >>>>>>> Thing
t; wet paper bag.
> >>>>>>> Things aren't quiet because you are right and no one can stand
> up to your towering intellect . It's that you're so wrong no one has the
> time or energy to prove it to you and your immense ego.
> >>>>>&g
a New Years resolution not to get involved in
>>>>>>> discussions here that I can't devote my full attention to, this
>>>>>>> tirade is basically cathartic. I'm sick to death of your narcissism.
>>>>>>>
>>>&g
s no way to "improve" the MOQ
or create an alternative without understanding it first.
Buyer beware.
From: Moq_Discuss on
behalf of Adrie Kintziger
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
s.
Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an
alternative without understanding it first.
Buyer beware.
From: Moq_Discuss on
behalf of Adrie Kintziger
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject
;s claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous.
Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an
alternative without understanding it first.
Buyer beware.
____________
From: Moq_Discuss on
behalf of Adrie Kintziger
Sent: Saturday, Dec
create an
alternative without understanding it first.
Buyer beware.
____________
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf
of Adrie Kintziger
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
I think its good to read these material
ch.
Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. Obviously, there's no
way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it
first.
Buyer beware.
____________
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie
Kintziger
Sent: Saturda
mediate flux of reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about
>> phenomenal reality as such.
>>
>> Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous.
>> Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an
y to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without
>> understanding it first.
>>
>> Buyer beware.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie
>> Kintziger
>> Sent: Saturday, December
alternative without understanding it
first.
Buyer beware.
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie
Kintziger
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
I think its good to read these materials.But things on w
uss on behalf of Adrie
Kintziger
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
I think its good to read these materials.But things on wiki's are not
always what they seem.Some are very deceptive.
In fact, what this author is presenting here i
Any metaphysics that explicitly disallows the undefinable concept of
Quality or Dynamic Quality is contrary to the Metaphysics of Quality. It
is a cause of irreconcilability. However I do see the empathical cause
for the point you are making.
Tuk
On 31-Dec-16 15:43, Adrie Kintziger wrote:
I think its good to read these materials.But things on wiki's are not
always what they seem.Some are very deceptive.
In fact, what this author is presenting here is actually nothing more than a
collection of derivatives from Wittgensteins work on logic.It is spiced and
salted with some previously k
Chris Langan, developer of the CTMU, which is a competitor to the MOQ
and AMOQ, does not understand the MOQ.
Citing
http://ctmucommunity.org/wiki/Cognitive-Theoretic_Model_of_the_Universe
***
On the other hand, mind acts as a filter: that which does not conform to
mental categories is irrel
Confusingly, this appears not to be an insult. Keep parsing like the devil!
Tuk
Quoting Adrie Kintziger :
Proving the point that when reading these materials,there is
intellectual assimiation, and proving beyond any doubt that you really are
a very intelligent guy.But you'r only on the begin
Proving the point that when reading these materials,there is
intellectual assimiation, and proving beyond any doubt that you really are
a very intelligent guy.But you'r only on the beginning of the track.
Keep moving now.
Every page, every tought.
Adrie
2016-12-26 1:23 GMT+01:00 :
> The problem w
The problem with Robert Pirsig is that even though he was capable of
apprehending that the American Indian culture is different from that
which is familiar to him, he was incapable of participating. In fact,
he couldn't even hang around with the Indians without Dusenberry. All
that eruditio
John,
There's lot to read here, but something caught my eye here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_ontology
Endurants and perdurants.
I've been looking for a quadrant-independent way of describing the
levels of AMOQ. It would seem that the first level is that of
endurants and the sec
Sometimes when you're curious about something, Wikipedia is a good place to
start. Probably it's not a good place to end an argument, but it's
definitely a good place to start one:
From the wikipedia article on process philosophy we find:
In opposition to the classical model of change as acciden
Adrie,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icCIkh-FL8A
I love this song. This is our song. The song of me and... someone else I
didn't have time to meet. The lyrics go:
***
Do not believe in songs
They turn you into a dreamer
They may make you dig into things
from which your mind is tryin
while reading the news and
the
posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true,
then
he
knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in contact.
But so
would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of
satisfying
that kind of demand. Nobody. And he&#x
each morning while reading the news and
the
posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true,
then
he
knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in contact.
But so
would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of
satisfying
that kind of demand. Nobody.
Quoting david :
I don't know what Robert Pirsig has been doing lately but normally
he
drinks coffee at his desk each morning while reading the news and
the
posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true,
then
he
knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in
;>>>>> them
>>>>>>> when you grow up.Forget the the winig part," i do not eat", or" i
>>>>>>> damage
>>>>>>> myself", .leave it behind or it will consume you.
>>>>>>> You need to be a caracter on your own.
he
drinks coffee at his desk each morning while reading the news and
the
posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true, then
he
knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in contact.
But so
would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of
satisfying
that kind of demand. Nobody. And h
tics
>>>> you're supposed to stop doing it. I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> Tuk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I did doubt it for some time weather or not i would comment on the next
>>>>> snip, but i will.
>>>>>
nd once you know that, you realize
>>>> you're
>>>> on a space mission because even though you can understand what these
>>>> emotionally intelligent people have accomplished in life, you realize
>>>> that's not what your life is gonna be. And you search and
address and he knows you'd like to be in contact.
But so
would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of
satisfying
that kind of demand. Nobody. And he's retired, likes to meditate,
and
otherwise keep to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't
take it
perso
ess and he knows you'd like to be in contact.
But so
would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of
satisfying
that kind of demand. Nobody. And he's retired, likes to meditate, and
otherwise keep to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't
take it
p
to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't take it
personally if I suggest that you let it go and leave him alone. And I take
my own advice, by the way. I could bother him but I don't. Out of respect
for his peace of mind and expressed wishes. He's done talking about the
MO
27;s all there is to it. True story. "I'm retired," he said, "you
guys take it from here."
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf
of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re
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From: Moq_Discuss on behalf
of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on
LS. Even if he did, I'd feel uncomfo
t; otherwise keep to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't take it
>> personally if I suggest that you let it go and leave him alone. And I take
>> my own advice, by the way. I could bother him but I don't. Out of respect
>> for his peace of mind and expresse
rue story. "I'm retired," he said, "you
guys take it from here."
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf
of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
I haven't noticed that Tim would
m here."
From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of
m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on
LS. Even if h
He removed the mail containing the adress, yesterday.But it was there long
enough.
2016-12-03 22:15 GMT+01:00 :
> I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on LS.
> Even if he did, I'd feel uncomfortable writing Pirsig had I obtained his
> address in such a way.
>
> At t
I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on
LS. Even if he did, I'd feel uncomfortable writing Pirsig had I
obtained his address in such a way.
At this point Pirsig, if in sufficient health, is perfectly capable of
figuring out who I am and what's my business. Meet
, maybe two or three. Celebrity is hell.
>
>
>
> From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of
> Adrie Kintziger
> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
>
> hmm,what a silence,at first i tought it had something to do
rsday, December 1, 2016 8:58 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
hmm,what a silence,at first i tought it had something to do with
Thanksgiving,or Trump ,.or a strange feast in Finland but no.
Apparently Tim rappl posted Pirsig's real adress on the lila squad
hmm,what a silence,at first i tought it had something to do with
Thanksgiving,or Trump ,.or a strange feast in Finland but no.
Apparently Tim rappl posted Pirsig's real adress on the lila squad list .
14 days ago.Around 7 th nov ,So probably some clowns are fooling around
with google ea
Hi , All;--
Dan wrote,
You can't have the
good without the bad. Yes, we Americans shoot and kill a disportionate
number of fellow citizens compared to the rest of the civilized world.
But we have a constitutional right to bear arms and we will fight for
that right.
(Adrie)
I can see part of your
Adrie, all,
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Adrie Kintziger wrote:
> Dmb, David J, Dan, Horse,Tuukka,John etc...
>
> Sorry for the delayed response.The last two years i'v developed a heart
> condition.Sometimes my motor scales down to about 30 beats/min.
> If so, i'm to tired to type or functio
Adrie wrote:
Sorry for the delayed response.The last two years i’v developed a heart
condition.Sometimes my motor scales down to about 30 beats/min. If so, i’m to
tired to type or function well.The medics here do not call that an urgent
condition.I did all tests.The diagnostics are not conclus
Dmb, David J, Dan, Horse,Tuukka,John etc...
Sorry for the delayed response.The last two years i'v developed a heart
condition.Sometimes my motor scales down to about 30 beats/min.
If so, i'm to tired to type or function well.The medics here do not call
that an
urgent condition.I did all tests.The
thanks , Horse. feel free to ventilate your opinion on the brexit, if any.
2016-11-24 16:04 GMT+01:00 Horse :
> Hi Folks
> My take on any discussion is that as long as it pertains to the MoQ and is
> at least vaguely civil then go for it.
> If it gets out of hand or abusive I'll intervene.
>
> Ch
Hi Folks
My take on any discussion is that as long as it pertains to the MoQ and
is at least vaguely civil then go for it.
If it gets out of hand or abusive I'll intervene.
Cheers
Horse
On 24/11/2016 12:29, David Harding wrote:
Dmb, Horse and all,
Regarding the below - whilst we can see his
Adrie wrote:
Can't be so that it is forbidden to ask horse 's approval to expand a bit on
politics,as a cure for depletion.
I would support the idea, but the theatre is Horse's area.
djh:
I agree. Such talk may indeed assist with this ‘depletion’. After all we are
cultural animals who, when th
Dmb, Horse and all,
Regarding the below - whilst we can see his ideas forming here - I think his
1998 thoughts on the matter are superior. Having not received the book yet
Wikipedia suggests it distinguishes between two camps on the left - the
'pragmatic progressive left' and the 'critical left
ent, blinkered, disastrous people who voted for
> Hitler in 1933. I see the 'progressivists' as defining the only America I
> care about." -- Richard Rorty, 1992
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of
> Adrie Kintziger
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 20
alf of Adrie
Kintziger
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:27 AM
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric
Can't be so that it is forbidden to ask horse 's approval to expand a bit on
politics,as a cure for depletion.
I would support the idea, but the theatre is Hors
Can't be so that it is forbidden to ask horse 's approval to expand a bit on
politics,as a cure for depletion.
I would support the idea, but the theatre is Horse's area.
2016-11-23 12:59 GMT+01:00 David Harding :
> Hi dmb,
>
>
> Ahhh yes - Rorty. I’m sure you’ve seen all the latest news about h
Hi dmb,
Ahhh yes - Rorty. I’m sure you’ve seen all the latest news about him…
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/books/richard-rortys-1998-book-suggested-election-2016-was-coming.html
I’ve ordered the book as it appears to have been very astute analysis. It’s a
shame we can’t discuss poli
David,
dmb is just trying to provoke me to write the academic article about the
Quadrilemma in the MOQ. It's all part of the game. From his point of
view, there are two options. Either MD dies again or it will be
populated by sneering academics. Either Pirsig's MOQ will be ignored or
it recei
David Harding said to dmb:
I do wonder if you agree with the words you write when you’re continually
referring to what ‘Pirsig says'. Do you agree with Pirsig? What’s your
opinion?
dmb says:
Yes, I agree with Pirsig in particular and with Classical Pragma
Hi dmb,
Beautifully put and indeed so beautifully it's to the point where it appears
even Tuukka was moved by your words. It’s clear that you have a great
understanding of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and I doubt I could
retell it better myself…
However, praise aside, I do won
disregard!
2016-11-21 10:20 GMT+01:00 Adrie Kintziger :
> xe,partnumber=33950-SWA-h11(l)LEFT
> or,33900-SWA-h11(r) right
> other,sl-957-2 (r), sl-957-LH(left)
> 33950-sww-e10 m1, or 33900-sww-e010 m1, or, K2-lf-crv10 OEM-h2
>
>
> 2016-11-21 1:34 GMT+01:00 :
>
>> dmb,
>>
>> wow, considering all t
xe,partnumber=33950-SWA-h11(l)LEFT
or,33900-SWA-h11(r) right
other,sl-957-2 (r), sl-957-LH(left)
33950-sww-e10 m1, or 33900-sww-e010 m1, or, K2-lf-crv10 OEM-h2
2016-11-21 1:34 GMT+01:00 :
> dmb,
>
> wow, considering all the crap that has been posted here lately, this one
> really stands out. Thi
dmb,
wow, considering all the crap that has been posted here lately, this
one really stands out. This one actually qualifies as an opinion.
Something I'm willing to discuss.
Lainaus david :
Hello, MOQers:
I suppose everyone knows that people are suspicious of the emotional
language i
Hello, MOQers:
I suppose everyone knows that people are suspicious of the emotional language
in "rhetoric" and consider "sophistry" to be a form of manipulative deception.
The conventional meaning isn't likely to change anytime soon and that's fine
because there is empty speech and there are pl
Thanks Arlo,
Hopefully it will be read by those
Who think there is an oppressive
Dogmatism imposed on the MD.
It probably will not make an impression but hey, here's to trying,
-Ron
> On Aug 26, 2014, at 12:44 PM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR wrote:
>
> [Ron]
> All (especially the "true" MOQers of th
[Ron]
All (especially the "true" MOQers of the Lila squad) I found this paper some
years ago, I don't know who authored it but it's quite a nice paper. ...
Rhetoric and Madness: Robert Pirsig's Inquiry into Values.
[Arlo]
This article appeared in the Southern Speech Communication Journal, Volume
[Joe]
Communication of an individual¹s conceptualization is obscure and
difficult ...
[Andrew]
Roger that, Joe.
Yours in jest ... as always ...
--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Joseph Maurer wrote:
From: Joseph Maurer
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
To: "moq_disc...@moqtalk.org&q
On Monday 11 May 2009 10:39 AM Ron suggests:
A must read, I recommend to Both Marsha and especially Bo.
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~consigny/pirsig.html
Hi Ron and all,
I am not a scientist or a mathematician! The ³I² at the beginning of the
previous sentence is a conceptualized construct
Cooper (New York: D. Appleton, 1932), 1358a
17; 1358a 13-14."
I also thought it pertained to your views on scientists and shamans
but hey, I am what you make me to be , ... I'm just another lila.
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Mo
rticular species or class of things"; the
commonplaces are applicable "to a large number of inquiries of diverse sorts."
The Rhetoric of Aristotle, trans., Lane Cooper (New York: D. Appleton, 1932),
1358a 17; 1358a 13-14."
I also thought it pertained to your views on s
3:20:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having? I was
defending that patterns in the Intellectual Level were all of the
subject/object variety. So gosh my foot...
Marsha
At 03:13 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote:
>gosh,
>
better yet, forget it.
I love you Marsha
bye!
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:20:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having? I was
defending that
Yes.
At 03:23 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote:
did you read the paper?
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:20:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having? I
did you read the paper?
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:20:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having? I was
defending that patterns in the
: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:41:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Why have you specifically highlighted the need for me to read this
paper? I really want to know! You didn't offer it for general
reading, you offered it to Bo and me. P
fine, don't read it.
bye grumpy
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:06:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Maybe tomorrow while your munching your peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you
can work on tu
stand some brushing up on.
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:41:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Ron,
Why have you specifically highlighted the need for me to read this
paper? I really want to know! You didn&#
Ron,
Maybe tomorrow while your munching your peanut butter and jelly
sandwich, you can work on turning your opinion (as stated below) into
something a little more substantial.
At 01:57 PM 5/4/2009, Subject: [MD] science wars, Ron wrote:
Marsha,
I'm still working on the "evidence", I have a
or
is proving difficult and time consuming, perhaps others will have
luck but well
worth the read.
-Ron
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:52:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Sure Ron,
I will read it, but who i
[Ron]
I do not know, I was surfing at lunch and stumbled apon it, I thought the
paper
was well researched and rather interesting, finding some inkling to the
author
is proving difficult and time consuming, perhaps others will have luck but
well
worth the read.
[Krimel]
It seems to be a student pa
From: MarshaV
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:52:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:
Sure Ron,
I will read it, but who is the author?
Marsha
At 01:39 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote:
>A must read, I recomend to Both Marsha and especially Bo.
>
Sure Ron,
I will read it, but who is the author?
Marsha
At 01:39 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote:
A must read, I recomend to Both Marsha and especially Bo.
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~consigny/pirsig.html
.
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