Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-30 Thread david
nsist of baldly specious reasoning, hopelessly confused categories, archipelagos of logical fallacies buttressed by seawalls of ... From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of X Acto Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:17 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-22 Thread X Acto
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2017, at 1:21 PM, ngriffis wrote: > > Ron, you mentioned Love of Wisdom, Seeking the Truth. Yes, that > seems to be the right path alright. Would you talk about some of the logic > traps you have found to be of most use to you? Is there a book on logic > traps

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-21 Thread ngriffis
an finally become an hour and the hour, if you are fortunate, can become a day. Dolphin -Original Message- From: X Acto [mailto:xa...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January, 4, 2017 11:25 PM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric Sent from my iPhone > On

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-04 Thread X Acto
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:03 PM, ngriffis wrote: > > It is ironic that this chat room is based on the philosophy of quality, as > defined by Persig. > >Please, take a step away and let us talk about how someone, who > believes in MOQ, applies these same principles to the

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-04 Thread Dan Glover
Dolphin, all, On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:03 PM, ngriffis wrote: > It is ironic that this chat room is based on the philosophy of quality, as > defined by Persig. Ironic in what way? > > Please, take a step away and let us talk about how someone, who > believes in MOQ, applies these same p

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-04 Thread Horse
Sorry Tuuk not interested in playing your silly games. This is a forum for adults - physically and mentally - and you just don't cut it. Don't bother re-applying. Bye Horse -- "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." — Bob Moorehe

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-04 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
al reality is the only reality we can know. The phenomenal reality is NOT romantic quality. When Pirsig refers to Dynamic Quality as "direct everyday experience," "the primary empirical reality," or quotes William James referring to "the immediate flux of reality,"

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-04 Thread David Harding
>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 02-Jan-17 13:22, Tuukka Virtaperko wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please consider what it does to a person not to have a  >>>>>>>>> credible intellectua

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread ngriffis
during the holidays and new year. Signing off, Dolphin -Original Message- From: Horse [mailto:ho...@darkstar.uk.net] Sent: Tuesday, January, 3, 2017 2:08 PM To: moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric What are you on about? Are you a complete idiot or do you take the occasion

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread Horse
e" he is talking about phenomenal reality as such. Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. F

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
ring to "the immediate flux of reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about phenomenal reality as such. Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread Horse
everyday experience," "the primary empirical reality," or quotes William James referring to "the immediate flux of reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about phenomenal reality as such. Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread mail
gt;>>>> Grow up, get a job and make yourself useful to society And have a great new year in the process. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>&

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread Adrie Kintziger
asing his entire argument on a logical fallacy. >> >>>>>>> You may be a genius when it comes to logical functions but when >> it comes to critical thinking skills you can't reason yourself out of a >> wet paper bag. >> >>>>>>> Thing

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread Adrie Kintziger
t; wet paper bag. > >>>>>>> Things aren't quiet because you are right and no one can stand > up to your towering intellect . It's that you're so wrong no one has the > time or energy to prove it to you and your immense ego. > >>>>>&g

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
a New Years resolution not to get involved in >>>>>>> discussions here that I can't devote my full attention to, this >>>>>>> tirade is basically cathartic. I'm sick to death of your narcissism. >>>>>>> >>>&g

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-03 Thread mail
s no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-02 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
s. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-02 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
;s claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. ____________ From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturday, Dec

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-02 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
create an alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. ____________ From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric I think its good to read these material

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-02 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
ch. Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. ____________ From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturda

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-01 Thread Adrie Kintziger
mediate flux of reality," and "pure experience" he is talking about >> phenomenal reality as such. >> >> Tuukka's claims to have improved the MOQ are quite preposterous. >> Obviously, there's no way to "improve" the MOQ or create an

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-01 Thread X Acto
y to "improve" the MOQ or create an alternative without >> understanding it first. >> >> Buyer beware. >> >> >> >> From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie >> Kintziger >> Sent: Saturday, December

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2017-01-01 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
alternative without understanding it first. Buyer beware. From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric I think its good to read these materials.But things on w

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-31 Thread david
uss on behalf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:43 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric I think its good to read these materials.But things on wiki's are not always what they seem.Some are very deceptive. In fact, what this author is presenting here i

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-31 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
Any metaphysics that explicitly disallows the undefinable concept of Quality or Dynamic Quality is contrary to the Metaphysics of Quality. It is a cause of irreconcilability. However I do see the empathical cause for the point you are making. Tuk On 31-Dec-16 15:43, Adrie Kintziger wrote:

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-31 Thread Adrie Kintziger
I think its good to read these materials.But things on wiki's are not always what they seem.Some are very deceptive. In fact, what this author is presenting here is actually nothing more than a collection of derivatives from Wittgensteins work on logic.It is spiced and salted with some previously k

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-30 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
Chris Langan, developer of the CTMU, which is a competitor to the MOQ and AMOQ, does not understand the MOQ. Citing http://ctmucommunity.org/wiki/Cognitive-Theoretic_Model_of_the_Universe *** On the other hand, mind acts as a filter: that which does not conform to mental categories is irrel

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-26 Thread mail
Confusingly, this appears not to be an insult. Keep parsing like the devil! Tuk Quoting Adrie Kintziger : Proving the point that when reading these materials,there is intellectual assimiation, and proving beyond any doubt that you really are a very intelligent guy.But you'r only on the begin

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-26 Thread Adrie Kintziger
Proving the point that when reading these materials,there is intellectual assimiation, and proving beyond any doubt that you really are a very intelligent guy.But you'r only on the beginning of the track. Keep moving now. Every page, every tought. Adrie 2016-12-26 1:23 GMT+01:00 : > The problem w

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-25 Thread mail
The problem with Robert Pirsig is that even though he was capable of apprehending that the American Indian culture is different from that which is familiar to him, he was incapable of participating. In fact, he couldn't even hang around with the Indians without Dusenberry. All that eruditio

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-23 Thread mail
John, There's lot to read here, but something caught my eye here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_ontology Endurants and perdurants. I've been looking for a quadrant-independent way of describing the levels of AMOQ. It would seem that the first level is that of endurants and the sec

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-22 Thread John Carl
Sometimes when you're curious about something, Wikipedia is a good place to start. Probably it's not a good place to end an argument, but it's definitely a good place to start one: From the wikipedia article on process philosophy we find: In opposition to the classical model of change as acciden

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-09 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
Adrie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icCIkh-FL8A I love this song. This is our song. The song of me and... someone else I didn't have time to meet. The lyrics go: *** Do not believe in songs They turn you into a dreamer They may make you dig into things from which your mind is tryin

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-08 Thread mail
while reading the news and the posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true, then he knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in contact. But so would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of satisfying that kind of demand. Nobody. And he&#x

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-08 Thread mail
each morning while reading the news and the posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true, then he knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in contact. But so would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of satisfying that kind of demand. Nobody.

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-07 Thread mail
Quoting david : I don't know what Robert Pirsig has been doing lately but normally he drinks coffee at his desk each morning while reading the news and the posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true, then he knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-07 Thread Adrie Kintziger
;>>>>> them >>>>>>> when you grow up.Forget the the winig part," i do not eat", or" i >>>>>>> damage >>>>>>> myself", .leave it behind or it will consume you. >>>>>>> You need to be a caracter on your own.

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-07 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
he drinks coffee at his desk each morning while reading the news and the posts on this forum, among other things. If that's still true, then he knows your email address and he knows you'd like to be in contact. But so would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of satisfying that kind of demand. Nobody. And h

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-07 Thread Adrie Kintziger
tics >>>> you're supposed to stop doing it. I don't think so. >>>> >>>> Tuk >>>> >>>> >>>>> I did doubt it for some time weather or not i would comment on the next >>>>> snip, but i will. >>>>>

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-07 Thread Adrie Kintziger
nd once you know that, you realize >>>> you're >>>> on a space mission because even though you can understand what these >>>> emotionally intelligent people have accomplished in life, you realize >>>> that's not what your life is gonna be. And you search and

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-06 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
address and he knows you'd like to be in contact. But so would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of satisfying that kind of demand. Nobody. And he's retired, likes to meditate, and otherwise keep to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't take it perso

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-06 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
ess and he knows you'd like to be in contact. But so would many, many, many other people. And nobody is capable of satisfying that kind of demand. Nobody. And he's retired, likes to meditate, and otherwise keep to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't take it p

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-06 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't take it personally if I suggest that you let it go and leave him alone. And I take my own advice, by the way. I could bother him but I don't. Out of respect for his peace of mind and expressed wishes. He's done talking about the MO

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-04 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
27;s all there is to it. True story. "I'm retired," he said, "you guys take it from here." From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-04 Thread Horse
_ From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on LS. Even if he did, I'd feel uncomfo

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-04 Thread Adrie Kintziger
t; otherwise keep to himself. Plus he's in his 80s. Please, don't take it >> personally if I suggest that you let it go and leave him alone. And I take >> my own advice, by the way. I could bother him but I don't. Out of respect >> for his peace of mind and expresse

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-04 Thread mail
rue story. "I'm retired," he said, "you guys take it from here." From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric I haven't noticed that Tim would

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-03 Thread david
m here." From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 PM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on LS. Even if h

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-03 Thread Adrie Kintziger
He removed the mail containing the adress, yesterday.But it was there long enough. 2016-12-03 22:15 GMT+01:00 : > I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on LS. > Even if he did, I'd feel uncomfortable writing Pirsig had I obtained his > address in such a way. > > At t

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-03 Thread mail
I haven't noticed that Tim would've posted Pirsig's street address on LS. Even if he did, I'd feel uncomfortable writing Pirsig had I obtained his address in such a way. At this point Pirsig, if in sufficient health, is perfectly capable of figuring out who I am and what's my business. Meet

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-01 Thread Adrie Kintziger
, maybe two or three. Celebrity is hell. > > > > From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of > Adrie Kintziger > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:58 AM > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric > > hmm,what a silence,at first i tought it had something to do

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-01 Thread david
rsday, December 1, 2016 8:58 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric hmm,what a silence,at first i tought it had something to do with Thanksgiving,or Trump ,.or a strange feast in Finland but no. Apparently Tim rappl posted Pirsig's real adress on the lila squad

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-12-01 Thread Adrie Kintziger
hmm,what a silence,at first i tought it had something to do with Thanksgiving,or Trump ,.or a strange feast in Finland but no. Apparently Tim rappl posted Pirsig's real adress on the lila squad list . 14 days ago.Around 7 th nov ,So probably some clowns are fooling around with google ea

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-26 Thread Adrie Kintziger
Hi , All;-- Dan wrote, You can't have the good without the bad. Yes, we Americans shoot and kill a disportionate number of fellow citizens compared to the rest of the civilized world. But we have a constitutional right to bear arms and we will fight for that right. (Adrie) I can see part of your

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-25 Thread Dan Glover
Adrie, all, On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Adrie Kintziger wrote: > Dmb, David J, Dan, Horse,Tuukka,John etc... > > Sorry for the delayed response.The last two years i'v developed a heart > condition.Sometimes my motor scales down to about 30 beats/min. > If so, i'm to tired to type or functio

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-25 Thread David Harding
Adrie wrote: Sorry for the delayed response.The last two years i’v developed a heart condition.Sometimes my motor scales down to about 30 beats/min. If so, i’m to tired to type or function well.The medics here do not call that an urgent condition.I did all tests.The diagnostics are not conclus

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-25 Thread Adrie Kintziger
Dmb, David J, Dan, Horse,Tuukka,John etc... Sorry for the delayed response.The last two years i'v developed a heart condition.Sometimes my motor scales down to about 30 beats/min. If so, i'm to tired to type or function well.The medics here do not call that an urgent condition.I did all tests.The

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-24 Thread Adrie Kintziger
thanks , Horse. feel free to ventilate your opinion on the brexit, if any. 2016-11-24 16:04 GMT+01:00 Horse : > Hi Folks > My take on any discussion is that as long as it pertains to the MoQ and is > at least vaguely civil then go for it. > If it gets out of hand or abusive I'll intervene. > > Ch

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-24 Thread Horse
Hi Folks My take on any discussion is that as long as it pertains to the MoQ and is at least vaguely civil then go for it. If it gets out of hand or abusive I'll intervene. Cheers Horse On 24/11/2016 12:29, David Harding wrote: Dmb, Horse and all, Regarding the below - whilst we can see his

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-24 Thread David Harding
Adrie wrote: Can't be so that it is forbidden to ask horse 's approval to expand a bit on politics,as a cure for depletion. I would support the idea, but the theatre is Horse's area. djh: I agree. Such talk may indeed assist with this ‘depletion’.  After all we are cultural animals who, when th

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-24 Thread David Harding
Dmb, Horse and all, Regarding the below - whilst we can see his ideas forming here - I think his 1998 thoughts on the matter are superior. Having not received the book yet Wikipedia suggests it distinguishes between two camps on the left - the 'pragmatic progressive left' and the 'critical left

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-23 Thread Adrie Kintziger
ent, blinkered, disastrous people who voted for > Hitler in 1933. I see the 'progressivists' as defining the only America I > care about." -- Richard Rorty, 1992 > > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss on behalf of > Adrie Kintziger > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 20

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-23 Thread david
alf of Adrie Kintziger Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:27 AM To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric Can't be so that it is forbidden to ask horse 's approval to expand a bit on politics,as a cure for depletion. I would support the idea, but the theatre is Hors

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-23 Thread Adrie Kintziger
Can't be so that it is forbidden to ask horse 's approval to expand a bit on politics,as a cure for depletion. I would support the idea, but the theatre is Horse's area. 2016-11-23 12:59 GMT+01:00 David Harding : > Hi dmb, > > > Ahhh yes - Rorty. I’m sure you’ve seen all the latest news about h

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-23 Thread David Harding
Hi dmb, Ahhh yes - Rorty.  I’m sure you’ve seen all the latest news about him… http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/books/richard-rortys-1998-book-suggested-election-2016-was-coming.html I’ve ordered the book as it appears to have been very astute analysis.  It’s a shame we can’t discuss poli

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-23 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
David, dmb is just trying to provoke me to write the academic article about the Quadrilemma in the MOQ. It's all part of the game. From his point of view, there are two options. Either MD dies again or it will be populated by sneering academics. Either Pirsig's MOQ will be ignored or it recei

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-22 Thread david
David Harding said to dmb: I do wonder if you agree with the words you write when you’re continually referring to what ‘Pirsig says'. Do you agree with Pirsig? What’s your opinion? dmb says: Yes, I agree with Pirsig in particular and with Classical Pragma

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-22 Thread David Harding
Hi dmb, Beautifully put and indeed so beautifully it's to the point where it appears even Tuukka was moved by your words.  It’s clear that you have a great understanding of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and I doubt I could retell it better myself… However, praise aside, I do won

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-21 Thread Adrie Kintziger
disregard! 2016-11-21 10:20 GMT+01:00 Adrie Kintziger : > xe,partnumber=33950-SWA-h11(l)LEFT > or,33900-SWA-h11(r) right > other,sl-957-2 (r), sl-957-LH(left) > 33950-sww-e10 m1, or 33900-sww-e010 m1, or, K2-lf-crv10 OEM-h2 > > > 2016-11-21 1:34 GMT+01:00 : > >> dmb, >> >> wow, considering all t

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-21 Thread Adrie Kintziger
xe,partnumber=33950-SWA-h11(l)LEFT or,33900-SWA-h11(r) right other,sl-957-2 (r), sl-957-LH(left) 33950-sww-e10 m1, or 33900-sww-e010 m1, or, K2-lf-crv10 OEM-h2 2016-11-21 1:34 GMT+01:00 : > dmb, > > wow, considering all the crap that has been posted here lately, this one > really stands out. Thi

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-20 Thread mail
dmb, wow, considering all the crap that has been posted here lately, this one really stands out. This one actually qualifies as an opinion. Something I'm willing to discuss. Lainaus david : Hello, MOQers: I suppose everyone knows that people are suspicious of the emotional language i

Re: [MD] Rhetoric

2016-11-20 Thread david
Hello, MOQers: I suppose everyone knows that people are suspicious of the emotional language in "rhetoric" and consider "sophistry" to be a form of manipulative deception. The conventional meaning isn't likely to change anytime soon and that's fine because there is empty speech and there are pl

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and Madness

2014-08-27 Thread Ron Kulp
Thanks Arlo, Hopefully it will be read by those Who think there is an oppressive Dogmatism imposed on the MD. It probably will not make an impression but hey, here's to trying, -Ron > On Aug 26, 2014, at 12:44 PM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR wrote: > > [Ron] > All (especially the "true" MOQers of th

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and Madness

2014-08-26 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Ron] All (especially the "true" MOQers of the Lila squad) I found this paper some years ago, I don't know who authored it but it's quite a nice paper. ... Rhetoric and Madness: Robert Pirsig's Inquiry into Values. [Arlo] This article appeared in the Southern Speech Communication Journal, Volume

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: ( Another Brick in the Mauer part 4 )

2009-05-15 Thread Andrew Vonderwueste
[Joe] Communication of an individual¹s conceptualization is obscure and difficult ... [Andrew] Roger that, Joe. Yours in jest ... as always ... --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Joseph Maurer wrote: From: Joseph Maurer Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: To: "moq_disc...@moqtalk.org&q

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-15 Thread Joseph Maurer
On Monday 11 May 2009 10:39 AM Ron suggests: A must read, I recommend to Both Marsha and especially Bo. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~consigny/pirsig.html Hi Ron and all, I am not a scientist or a mathematician! The ³I² at the beginning of the previous sentence is a conceptualized construct

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
Cooper (New York: D. Appleton, 1932), 1358a 17; 1358a 13-14." I also thought it pertained to your views on scientists and shamans but hey, I am what you make me to be , ... I'm just another lila. From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Mo

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread X Acto
rticular species or class of things"; the commonplaces are applicable "to a large number of inquiries of diverse sorts." The Rhetoric of Aristotle, trans., Lane Cooper (New York: D. Appleton, 1932), 1358a 17; 1358a 13-14."    I also thought it pertained to your views on s

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
3:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having? I was defending that patterns in the Intellectual Level were all of the subject/object variety. So gosh my foot... Marsha At 03:13 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote: >gosh, >

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread X Acto
better yet, forget it. I love you Marsha bye! From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having?  I was defending that

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
Yes. At 03:23 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote: did you read the paper? From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having? I

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread X Acto
did you read the paper?   From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:20:34 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Where does it pertain to the conversation we were having?  I was defending that patterns in the

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:41:37 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Why have you specifically highlighted the need for me to read this paper? I really want to know! You didn't offer it for general reading, you offered it to Bo and me. P

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread X Acto
fine, don't read it. bye grumpy From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:06:19 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Maybe tomorrow while your munching your peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you can work on tu

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread X Acto
stand some brushing up on. From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:41:37 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Ron, Why have you specifically highlighted the need for me to read this paper?  I really want to know!  You didn&#

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
Ron, Maybe tomorrow while your munching your peanut butter and jelly sandwich, you can work on turning your opinion (as stated below) into something a little more substantial. At 01:57 PM 5/4/2009, Subject: [MD] science wars, Ron wrote: Marsha, I'm still working on the "evidence", I have a

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
or is proving difficult and time consuming, perhaps others will have luck but well worth the read. -Ron From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:52:59 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Sure Ron, I will read it, but who i

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread Krimel
[Ron] I do not know, I was surfing at lunch and stumbled apon it, I thought the paper was well researched and rather interesting, finding some inkling to the author is proving difficult and time consuming, perhaps others will have luck but well worth the read. [Krimel] It seems to be a student pa

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread X Acto
From: MarshaV To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:52:59 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness: Sure Ron, I will read it, but who is the author? Marsha At 01:39 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote: >A must read, I recomend to Both Marsha and especially Bo. >

Re: [MD] Rhetoric and madness:

2009-05-11 Thread MarshaV
Sure Ron, I will read it, but who is the author? Marsha At 01:39 PM 5/11/2009, you wrote: A must read, I recomend to Both Marsha and especially Bo. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~consigny/pirsig.html . _ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the