Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: filename recommendations for YANG Semver

2024-04-03 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
From: Andy Bierman Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 17:40 To: Joe Clarke (jclarke) Cc: Jason Sterne (Nokia) , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: filename recommendations for YANG Semver On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 2:11 PM Joe Clarke (jclarke) mailto:jcla...@cisco.com>>

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: filename recommendations for YANG Semver

2024-04-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thanks, Andy. See inline below. I do not agree with these recommendations to change the file names of YANG modules. The OFFICIAL YANG version is RFC 7950 - YANG 1.1. Any module using YANG version 1.1 needs to follow the rules in RFC 7950. Additional file naming that can be ignored by YANG 1.1

Re: [netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-04-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I support adoption of this work. It forms the foundation of work in other WGs, and I’m happy to have this worked by netmod if there is sufficient interest. As an opsawg co-chair, I’m copying opsawg to get their opinions. This work has been presented there and is a dependency of an ACL draft

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32.txt

2024-03-20 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Med provided some process issues in the -31, so we minted -32 ahead of the netmod meeting to sort those out and get it in order for LC. Joe From: netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 22:44 To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject:

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-31.txt

2024-03-19 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Mahesh and I have been tracking the crypto collection of drafts. This update tracks the latest now that they are in LC. The only other change is to bump the copyright year to 2024. Joe From: netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 03:23 To:

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-14.txt

2024-03-04 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
NETMOD WG, In conjunction with Reshad’s email on module versioning, this updated YANG Semver draft covers a lot of ground and is complimentary with that work. Many of these changes were raised on-list as part of our key issues. They were also discussed at IETF 118. NOTE: Due to some changes

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: Key Issues #2 and #3 - revision labels

2023-11-16 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I want to summarize what was presented at 118 in NETMOD, plus what was discussed on this week’s team call regarding these two key issues. * We will remove the multiple revision-label schemes * The revision-label concept will be removed from the module versioning draft and put into the

Re: [netmod] ACL Extensions Draft

2023-11-07 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Like I said, I respect Mahesh’s input as original author. It’s hard to disagree with that. That said, I think the original RFC8519 is useful on its own, and these proposed extensions add value that may not be needed by everyone. I’d much rather see this new work progress rather than opening

Re: [netmod] Updated Content of Module Versioning - T8 (recommended-min for imports)

2023-10-25 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This is the reason that, for me, I’d want the extension to be outside the description in something that is machine-readable. Tools that do understand this extension could make a better decision about which module revision to use. Tools that do not understand the extension will resolve the

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-10.txt

2023-10-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This new revision does a couple of things: * Bumps revision number to -10 to keep document from expiring (was slated to expire Thursday) * Addresses Key Issue #1 by changing MAY to SHOULD NOT and adding examples of when NBC changes might be required Note: this does NOT short-circuit

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

2023-10-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I was going to say something similar. We agreed on a set of requirements ahead of the module versioning and other work that included a mechanism that would indicate that an NBC change had been made. Simply allowing them without it would more chaotic to consumers. Joe From: netmod on behalf

[netmod] Comments on draft-ietf-netmod-acl-extensions

2023-07-24 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I support this work. I think the authors have a number of good enhancements in here. I have a few comments: * It feels like the problem statement section will get dated as this document gets standardized. I get wanting to rationalize the work, but I would focus more on the solution.

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-08.txt

2023-06-28 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Tom, you’re arguing our case. The requirements specifically state that modules do and need to be updated sometimes in NBC ways. The idea of this work is not to make perfection the enemy of good. Joe From: tom petch Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 08:01 To: Joe Clarke (jclarke) , Benoit

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-08.txt

2023-06-27 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Yes, I had pushed for this. I think it would have help better frame this work given how long it is taking. Joe From: netmod on behalf of Benoit Claise Date: Monday, June 26, 2023 at 12:21 To: tom petch , Joe Clarke (jclarke) , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-08.txt

2023-06-26 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This revision is a resurrection of the expired I-D to help frame the LC discussions around module versioning and YANG Semver. Joe From: netmod on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org Date: Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:49 To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] I-D

Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts

2023-06-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> As for the discussion on YANG artifact “equivalence” I recall we discussed > this a bit in meetings and amongst the authors. I don’t remember all the > points but it boiled down to when the revision changes, the revision-label > changes. So if, for example, a module is extracted or produced

Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts

2023-06-12 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thanks for the detailed review, Jürgen. See below on responses concerning YANG Semver. As for the discussion on YANG artifact “equivalence” I recall we discussed this a bit in meetings and amongst the authors. I don’t remember all the points but it boiled down to when the revision changes,

Re: [netmod] Joint WGLC on "semver" and "module-versioning" drafts

2023-05-30 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thank you for the review, Alex. A big thanks for catching the sync issue with yang-module-versioning. I have updated the text in GitHub pending the end of WGLC to make sure we capture all of the feedback. The diff can be found at

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-11.txt

2023-04-10 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This revision addresses concern over the contributors vs. acknowledging those that have provided feedback and input. The former should be included in the IPR responses whereas the latter need not be. The intent of this change is not to remove anyone from the overall list of

Re: [netmod] ICS file for the weekly versioning meeting

2023-03-30 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Grrr, this is at 9:00 am EDT on Tuesdays. Joe From: netmod on behalf of Joe Clarke (jclarke) Date: Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 21:27 To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] ICS file for the weekly versioning meeting Carsten opined it might be nice to have an ICS file for our weekly versioning

[netmod] ICS file for the weekly versioning meeting

2023-03-30 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Carsten opined it might be nice to have an ICS file for our weekly versioning call. Attached is the ICS that I have been using. Our next meeting is Tuesday April 4 at 10:00 am EDT. Joe BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 10.0 MIMEDIR//EN VERSION:2.0 METHOD:REQUEST

Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-28

2023-03-06 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I am going to commit a -30 with a small typo fix, and then both Mahesh and I are good with your proposal. Joe From: netmod on behalf of Kent Watsen Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 09:22 To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-28 NETMOD WG, We

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-29.txt

2023-02-28 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This new version takes into account Reshad’s review based on his attempt to use this model for Linux rsyslog. We changed the action leaf to an identityref instead of an enum, and added a “stop” action to discard and halt processing on the message. Additionally, line length reduction was done

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-10.txt

2023-01-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This quick update chases the change from revision-label to label as the revision-label extension in ietf-yang-revisions.yang. The reason for this change was that the revision-label extension was typically used as rev:revision-label in modules, and we felt that was redundant and could be

Re: [netmod] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-09

2023-01-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Joe From: Kent Watsen Date: Monday, January 16, 2023 at 18:00 To: netmod@ietf.org Cc: Joe Clarke (jclarke) , Rob Wilton (rwilton) , Reshad Rahman , Balázs Lengyel , Jason Sterne (Nokia) , Benoit Claise Subject: IPR Pol

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-28.txt

2023-01-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
) to allow for future extensibility here. What does the WG think of these options (now that we’re in another LC)? Joe From: Kent Watsen Date: Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:58 To: Reshad Rahman Cc: netmod@ietf.org , Joe Clarke (jclarke) Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2022-10-18

2022-10-18 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I opened GH issue #177 for the branching text (see https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/177). Joe From: netmod on behalf of Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:09 To: netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes -

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-28.txt

2022-10-11 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This revision does a few things: * Addresses comment from 114 to use ct:asymmetric-key-pair-with-cert-grouping instead of ct:asymmetric-key-pair-with-certs-grouping * Fix Mahesh’s email * Replace obsolete RFC references * Adjust some line lengths This passes YANG validation

Re: [netmod] yang versioning solution complexity and alternative approaches

2022-06-08 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On 6/8/22 13:29, Andy Bierman wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:04 AM Jürgen Schönwälder mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de>> wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2022 at 04:40:05PM +, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > > > Rob, > > > > discussing details is likely distracting from the main

Re: [netmod] yang versioning solution complexity and alternative approaches

2022-06-07 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thanks, Andy. We know it's been a while, and we're trying to take care of all of these comments. See below. On 3/9/22 13:13, Andy Bierman wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 2:16 AM Jürgen Schönwälder mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de>> wrote: Hi, the YANG versioning solution appears

Re: [netmod] Feedback on Self-Describing Data Object Tags in YANG Data Models

2022-05-09 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
, will add them to the appendix. > Thanks again for good comment. > > -Qin > -邮件原件- > 发件人: Joe Clarke (jclarke) [mailto:jclarke=40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org] > 发送时间: 2022年4月14日 5:09 > 收件人: Qin Wu ; netmod@ietf.org > 主题: Re: Feedback on Self-Describing Data Object Tags

Re: [netmod] Feedback on Self-Describing Data Object Tags in YANG Data Models

2022-04-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thanks, Qin. See below. I had to get back into the tags groove. On 4/10/22 06:49, Qin Wu wrote: > Hi, Joe: > Sorry for late follow up. Thank for your comment, please see my reply below. > -邮件原件- >> 发件人: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Joe Clarke (jclarke) >

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-27.txt

2022-04-06 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thanks to Mahesh and his build system, we have resurrected this draft from the archive. This new -27 revision does the following: * Modernizes the references * Fixes some linting errors in both the doc and the YANG module * Changes the use of the old certificate and private-key groupings from

[netmod] Taking up the syslog mantle

2022-03-22 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Hello, chairs and WG. At today's 113 meeting, the chairs mentioned the ietf-netmod-syslog draft needs a new editor to bring it back from the archive and fix up references, examples, and YANG imports. I did a quick read through, and I see a number of these issues already. If no one else has

[netmod] Feedback on Self-Describing Data Object Tags in YANG Data Models

2022-03-22 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Rob commented at the mic during the 113 meeting that using self-describing tags for specific data instances may be a design of this solution, but the text doesn't state that. To add to the request to provide such text, it would be useful to have an example showing this. One potential use I can

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-06

2022-03-08 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Thanks for your comments and feedback, Jürgen. Some of these changes have been done in git whereas others have had issues opened for more discussion and work. Based on other responses, we will create a new revision of the I-D after the window opens. See below for specific replies. On 3/6/22

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-06

2022-02-01 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Joe On 1/31/22 16:57, Lou Berger wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-05

2022-02-01 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Joe On 1/31/22 16:54, Lou Berger wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that

Re: [netmod] YANG semver: clarify reasoning for _COMPAT suffix

2021-11-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I left some comments in the GH pull request, Jason. Mostly editorial, but I think there might be a need for a stronger bit of normative language in there as well. Joe On 11/17/21 14:30, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: Hi all,

Re: [netmod] Revision-labels within filenames

2021-10-26 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
module name. That would work for '#' as well. I think the proposal, therefore, is still to go with '#' to designate a revision-label is to follow. Joe On 9/14/21, 12:56, "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" wrote: On 9/14/21 12:01, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > Hi Joe, >

Re: [netmod] Revision-labels within filenames

2021-09-28 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
hen you have the issue with tooling. Joe > > Jason > >> -Original Message- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Rob Wilton >> (rwilton) >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 5:08 AM >> To: Joe Clarke (jclarke) ; >> netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netm

Re: [netmod] Revision-labels within filenames

2021-09-14 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> I wasn't thinking of a URL to get the revision-label, I was more thinking of > a URL to identify the source YANG file for a particular revision. > > E.g., in the YANG packages examples: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages#appendix-A > > Ideally, I would

Re: [netmod] Revision-labels within filenames

2021-09-14 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
riginal Message- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Joe Clarke (jclarke) >> Sent: 14 September 2021 15:56 >> To: netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: [netmod] Revision-labels within filenames >> >> Carsten raised a point at the mic at IETF111 that the chosen character '

[netmod] Revision-labels within filenames

2021-09-14 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Carsten raised a point at the mic at IETF111 that the chosen character '#' to separate the module name and module revision-label in filenames is problematic. Currently, the YANG module versioning draft says that if you want to use revision-label within the filename, you use

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-05.txt

2021-07-06 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
The only change here is a revision bump to keep the draft alive as work continues on the overall solution documents. Joe On 7/6/21 09:40, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2021-01-12

2021-02-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
or submodule. Doing so can lead to import breakages when import by revision-or-derived is used. Moreover, truncating history may cause loss of visibility of when non-backwards-compatible changes were introduced. Jason From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) <mailto:jcla...@cisco.com> Sent: Saturday, Febru

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2021-01-12

2021-02-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
/? Yang-semver changes also good with me. Regards, Reshad. From: netmod <mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org> on behalf of "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" <mailto:jclarke=40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:02 PM To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2021-01-12

2021-02-10 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On T4 (gaps in revision numbers and revision history), I have some proposed text for both draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning and draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver. See these diffs (some changes are due to xml2rfc changes, but you'll note the more substantive text additions). Thoughts:

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-04.txt

2021-01-05 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
No changes in this. Just bumping to keep this active while the other drafts are being refined. Joe > On Jan 5, 2021, at 09:17, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-01.txt

2020-11-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This is only a reference fix and bump to unexpire it. Recent work has been focused on YANG packages and semver for the most part. Joe > On Nov 2, 2020, at 11:47, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-01.txt

2020-11-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This is only a reference fix and bump to unexpire it. Recent work has been focused on YANG packages and semver for the most part. Joe > On Nov 2, 2020, at 11:46, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This

Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning

2020-08-27 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Aug 26, 2020, at 15:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de>> wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: On Aug 13, 2020, at 06:23, Juergen Schoenwaelder mailto:j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de>> wrote: On

Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning

2020-08-26 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Aug 13, 2020, at 06:23, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:37:18AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >> >> $ pyang -f yin ietf-inet-types.yang | xmllint --c14n - | sha256sum >> 8d1ca8f30566ce8cbeffa095e20642f8f6e9f3a724286be4ead863b4467dc40b - >> >> might be

Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning

2020-08-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 04:04, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" writes: > >>> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:45, Martin Björklund wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" wrote: >&g

Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning

2020-08-11 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:52, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > On 11. 08. 20 15:41, Joe Clarke (jclarke) wrote: >> At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if he >> converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some other &

Re: [netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning

2020-08-11 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:45, Martin Björklund wrote: > > Hi, > > "Joe Clarke \(jclarke\)" wrote: >> At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if >> he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some >> oth

[netmod] IETF 108: Summary of insignificant whitespace changes and versioning

2020-08-11 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
At the IETF 108 virtual meeting, Lada asked about what would happen if he converted a YANG module to YIN syntax (or vice versa, or to some other format). This was during the discussion of the issue of what should happen if a module changes and the only changes are insignificant whitespaces

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-01.txt

2020-07-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This represents a lot of work taken from weekly meeting discussions, list items, and GitHub issues: * Change the ‘m’ and ‘M’ to ‘_compatible’ and ‘_non_compatible’ * Present guidelines on how to do semver revision-labels for module development (including examples) * Define a revision-label

[netmod] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-03.txt

2020-06-29 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Since I didn’t get any other feedback, I bumped this one again to avoid expiration. @chairs, what you would like to do with this? Can we move it to WG LC? Thanks. Joe Begin forwarded message: From: mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org>> Subject: New Version Notification for

Re: [netmod] module-versioning should require any solution to describe labels for drafts

2020-06-22 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:41, Juergen Schoenwaelder > wrote: > > I have RFC at version 1.0.0. I make some backwards compatible > changes. I then make a backwards incompatible change. Then I add more > backwards compatible changes. Then I remove the backwards incompatible > change. What are

[netmod] YANG version requirements expiring again

2020-06-22 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
It’s that time again. The versioning requirements draft is about to expire. What should the destiny of this draft be? The authors of the solution drafts would like to see this move to informational RFC since it’s referenced by a number of those drafts. I’m not terribly fond of just bumping

Re: [netmod] Revision label in filename

2020-06-10 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 17:13, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > wrote: > > Hi, > > I understand the requirement to not break what's currently working for date > in the filename. However we do need something similar to work for > revision-label. Having another file with the revision-label embedded

Re: [netmod] optional char in yang-semver

2020-06-10 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
>> >> ### >> Option J1 >> ### >> use the following suffixes: >> _non_compatible (instead of the old "M", for an NBC change) >> _compatible (instead of the old "m", for a BC change) >> >> e.g. for NBC: >> 1.1.0 -> 1.1.1_non_compatible >> e.g. for BC: >> 1.1.0 -> 1.1.1_compatible

Re: [netmod] Proposed YANG semver revision-label guidelines (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver)

2020-05-13 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> > >> On 12 May 2020, at 21:55, Joe Clarke (jclarke) >> wrote: >> >> There has been recent discussion about how to handle applying versions to >> new modules, modules in development, and revisions to modules that >> previously did not have a re

[netmod] Proposed YANG semver revision-label guidelines (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver)

2020-05-12 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
There has been recent discussion about how to handle applying versions to new modules, modules in development, and revisions to modules that previously did not have a revision-label. Below is proposed text to offer both general and IETF-specific guidelines for this. The intent is to place

Re: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D)

2020-04-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:01, Andy Bierman mailto:a...@yumaworks.com>> wrote: Hi, I agree that a revision-label could be useful in an I-D but not to indicate NBC changes (because it doesn't). The rules need to be clear and simple with no exceptions. 1) Special version 0.x.y contains NO NBC

Re: [netmod] Jabber Scribe Needed

2020-04-01 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Happy to do it when I’m not presenting. Joe > On Apr 1, 2020, at 19:17, Kent Watsen wrote: > > All, > > The NETMOD chairs need a Jabber Scribe for tomorrow's meeting! > > - We’re asking now so as to not waste precious time during the session... > - The chairs cannot do it because their

Re: [netmod] versioning procedures (RFC vs. I-D)

2020-04-01 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Apr 1, 2020, at 13:28, Andy Bierman wrote: > > Hi, > > I just want to confirm that all the proposed documentation procedures > using new extensions are limited in scope to published modules only, > and not applied to unpublished modules (terms defined in RFC 8407). > > IMO it would be

Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs

2020-03-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Mar 17, 2020, at 08:15, Lou Berger mailto:lber...@labn..net>> wrote: All, The adoption call ended yesterday. While there is clearly work to do to reach consensus on these documents, they are all adopted as the starting point for the solutions that the WG will develop on these topics.

Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
As an author/editor/DT member, I support adoption. Note: obviously adoption doesn’t mean they’re final, and we are absolutely looking for the WG to provide into, especially on the newer work around version selection and schema comparison. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:29, Lou Berger wrote: >

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I know of no IPR that applies to this draft. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I know of no IPR that applies to this draft. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware

Re: [netmod] [Netmod-ver-dt] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I know of no IPR that applies to this draft. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware

Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I know of no IPR that applies to this draft. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware

Re: [netmod] [Netmod-ver-dt] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I know of no IPR that applies to this draft. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-08.txt

2019-12-08 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Dec 6, 2019, at 22:41, Qin Wu wrote: > > Thanks Martin and Joe for clarification and suggested changes. I will > implement them in v-09. Thanks, Qin. Joe > > -Qin > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: Joe Clarke (jclarke) [mailto:jcla...@cisco.com] > 发送时间: 2019年12月5日 23

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-08.txt

2019-12-05 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Dec 5, 2019, at 10:48, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Hi, > > "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" wrote: >> On Dec 4, 2019, at 22:37, Qin Wu wrote: >> >> v-08 is posted to address comments received from YANG doctor review and >> additional comments

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-08.txt

2019-12-05 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Dec 4, 2019, at 22:37, Qin Wu mailto:bill...@huawei.com>> wrote: v-08 is posted to address comments received from YANG doctor review and additional comments from Joe. The diff is: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-08 Thanks, Qin. But this isn’t actually

[netmod] Instance data and yid-version

2019-11-19 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Sorry, I had to walk out for a few minutes in this morning’s netmod meeting. I noticed Balazs presented this yid-version notation for instance data. I thought he mentioned that it could be 1, 2 or something like 1.1. However, it’s defined to be a uint8. So it could never be 1.1. I’m not

Re: [netmod] [netconf] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05

2019-11-19 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
[Qin]: Yes, resetting processes or restarting node did cover ZTP part, from Martin’s comment, I feel we don’t need to tie resetting process with RFC8572, since RFC8572 actually focuses on SZTP. Actually we may have a lot of legacy ZTP mechanism we can leverage, I am not sure which reference I

Re: [netmod] [netconf] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05

2019-11-17 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:29, Qin Wu mailto:bill...@huawei.com>> wrote: Done, Kent. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/?include_text=1 Thanks for follow up. Hey, Qin. I see you removed the ZTP reference. I saw the conversation, and you still have the text about

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05.txt

2019-11-01 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:21, Kent Watsen mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net>> wrote: This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-05. The WGLC ends on Nov 15 (two days before the NETMOD 106 session). Please send your comments to the working group

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-04.txt

2019-10-28 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Oct 28, 2019, at 11:54, Kent Watsen mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net>> wrote: Regarding this point: First, I remember we talked about a reboot operation I think at the last IETF(?). It was said that perhaps a reboot would happen as part of this RPC because once the datastore is reset to

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-04.txt

2019-10-28 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On Oct 27, 2019, at 23:37, Qin Wu wrote: > > v-04 is posted > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-04 > additional text to clarify rpc usage. Thanks, Qin. I re-read this latest draft, and albeit there were only a few changes, I have some broader comments. First,

[netmod] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01.txt

2019-10-14 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This draft is an updated version of the YANG semantic versioning work to bring it in line with the design team’s YANG module versioning proposal. That is, this document describes a semver labeling scheme to accompany the revision-based lineage. One notable change is that in order to support

Re: [netmod] Instance-data-format - shall we define etag and last-modified annotation ?

2019-07-23 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On Jul 23, 2019, at 18:01, Rob Wilton (rwilton) mailto:rwil...@cisco.com>> wrote: If you want to dump the configuration on the device to a file for some offline analysis, then it might be useful if it is possible for that file to have the timestamps of when the configuration changed

[netmod] Instance data and annotations

2019-07-22 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
I’ve had a chance to digest the question asked in the meeting about should the last-modified and entity-tag should be defined in the instance data draft. I feel they should be removed and moved to a separate draft. First, the draft doesn’t present a use case for these. There is already an

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-01.txt

2019-07-03 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
This new version changes the text around requirement 1.4 based on feedback from IETF 104. The new requirement reads: 1.4 The solution MUST be able to express when non-backwards-compatible changes have occurred between two revisions of a given YANG module. Joe > On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:28,

[netmod] Update to YANG versioning requirements draft

2019-06-05 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
Coming out of IETF 104, there was feedback that the YANG version requirements draft (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs) needed a wording change to requirement 1.4. I have made the change I think addresses the feedback, and I would like to get thoughts on this wording and publish a rev -01

Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wu-netmod-factory-default-02

2019-05-09 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
> On May 8, 2019, at 07:31, tom petch wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 4:11 PM >> >> On May 6, 2019, at 08:06, Qin Wu > mailto:bill...@huawei.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi

Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wu-netmod-factory-default-02

2019-05-09 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
First, the term “YANG server” sounds odd to me. I know what you mean, but I haven’t seen this defined before. Maybe just saying a device or host is sufficient? [Qin]: Right, “host”, in my opinion, is not a term used in the context of NETCONF, it is also usually referred to end device in

Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wu-netmod-factory-default-02

2019-05-06 Thread Joe Clarke (jclarke)
On May 6, 2019, at 08:06, Qin Wu mailto:bill...@huawei.com>> wrote: Hi, Chairs: Sorry for late follow up, thanks Jurgen, Andy,Joe, Joel and all others for good comments, here is the update based on discussion and suggestion on the mailing list The diff is: