Re: [NTG-context] { in input file names

2004-06-22 Thread Hans Hagen Outside
Nikolai Weibull wrote:
Hi.
Another one of my sort of weird questions.  I have a file with { in it's
 

weird indeed, are you searching for the limits of tex/context/your-os?
file name and context doesn't seem to enjoy it much:
 

i only enjoy names that match [a-z0-9\-]
% mkdir {test}
% cd {test}
% mkdir output
% touch a.tex && ed a.tex
0
0a
\starttext
Hello
\stoptext
.
wq
27
% texexec --runpath=output a.tex
 

You can put this somewhere (cont-loc.tex or so) since i'm not that sure 
if it does not interfere, so i (and others) need to test this for a long 
time

% supp-fil
\bgroup % todo: _ cleanup
\catcode`\/=\@@active
\catcode`\:=\@@active
\catcode`\~=\@@active
\gdef\sanitizefilename#1\to#2%
 {\bgroup
  \edef/{\string/}%
  \edef:{\string:}%
  \edef~{\string~}%
  \expanded{\xdef\noexpand\sanitizedfilename{#1}}%
  \egroup
  \let#2\sanitizedfilename%
  \convertcommand\sanitizedfilename\to#2}
\egroup
% core-job
\def\usepath[#1]%
 {\def\docommando##1%
{\doifelse{##1}\v!reset
   {\let\allinputpaths\empty}
   {\sanitizefilename#1\to\ascii
%\convertcommand\ascii\to\ascii
\addtocommalist\ascii\allinputpaths}}%
  \processcommalist[#1]\docommando}
\def\usesubpath[#1]% new, see webschrift for usage
 {\ifx\allinputpaths\empty
\sanitizefilename#1\to\allinputpaths
  \else
\def\docommando##1%
  {\def\dodocommando1%
 {\sanitizefilename1\to\ascii
  \addtocommalist{##1/\ascii}\allinputpaths}%
   \processcommalist[#1]\dodocommando}%
\processcommacommand[\allinputpaths]\docommando
  \fi}

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Question...

2004-06-22 Thread jimarin
Thanks !

:)

Jose

> Hi Jose
>
> use
>
> \usetypescript[helvetica][\defaultencoding]
> \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt]
>
> Success!
>
> Willi
>
> Hans Hagen wrote:
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>>
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>> how can I produce texts in Arial?
>>>
>>> I have tried
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[ber,phv,ss,11pt]
>>>
>>> following a text on the internet...but it seems my ConTexT distro is
>>> not
>>> having these fonts...or perhaps I was doing something wrong.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance !
>>>
>>> Jose Ignacio
>>>
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Question ConTeXt

2004-06-22 Thread jimarin
Thanks !

:)

jose

> Am 21.06.2004 um 16:04 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
>> [forwarded to the context list]
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>> I understand that using
>>> \language[es] (or \mainlanguage[es])
>>> would select correct hyphenation patterns for Spanish. Is this
>>> correct?
>
> Yes.
>
>>> and then...
>>> can I enter text with proper Spanish accents in it, like in...
>
> No.
> Input encoding has nothing to do with hyphenation patterns.
> In ConTeXt the input encoding is called "regime":
> \enableregime[il1] % iso latin 1, try utf8 if your editor does support
> it
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Installation problem

2004-06-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
  TeX run : 1
warning: Could not open char translation file `cp8bit.tcx'.
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2)
kpathsea: Running mktexfmt cont-en.efmt
This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2)
\write18 enabled.
%&-line parsing enabled.
(/opt/texlive/8/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)
**
! End of file on the terminal... why?
running `pdfetex -ini   -jobname=cont-en -progname=context *cont-en.ini' ...
This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2) (INITEX)
\write18 enabled.
%&-line parsing enabled.
(/opt/texlive/8/texmf/web2c/cp8bit.tcx)
entering extended mode
(/opt/context/2004.6.21/texmf/tex/context/config/cont-en.ini{/opt/local/texmf/p
dftex/config/pdftex.cfg}
...
cp8bit is not found in the first line, but ok in the 7th. 

Do you have an idea what is going on?
 

maybe some interference with cont-en.ini; does
 texexec --make --alone
work ok?
it should not bark on the cp8bit (btw the latest version should use natural.tcx which is in the context distribution, cp8bit is flawed and not really 8 bit [straight in->out mapping is needed for instance for 
runtime xslt processign and such]; next year we can use -8bit 

(this whole 8 bit mess-up has been hauting me for years -)  

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[NTG-context] typo in recent version

2004-06-22 Thread dr. Hans van der Meer
I found a typo in the recent version (16-06-2004) of ConTeXt.
In file type-buy.tex in line 143 one finds:
\definefontsynonym f[LucidaSans-DemiItalic] ...
The f before the [ is a spurious character and should be removed.
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[NTG-context] Re: Installation problem

2004-06-22 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Hans,

> maybe some interference with cont-en.ini; does
>
>   texexec --make --alone
>
> work ok?

yes. It gives me cont-en, cont-nl,  metafun and  mptopdf  in the
current dir.

BTW: I use the current texlive (the last one shipped to members of
local tugs)

Patrick

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Re: [NTG-context] typo in recent version

2004-06-22 Thread Hans Hagen
dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:
I found a typo in the recent version (16-06-2004) of ConTeXt.
In file type-buy.tex in line 143 one finds:
\definefontsynonym f[LucidaSans-DemiItalic] ...
The f before the [ is a spurious character and should be removed.
it's even worse, since there are some out-of-typescript lines; i found out a few 
days ago so the latest version should be ok; i can send you the type-buy file if needed
Thanks 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Installation problem

2004-06-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
Hello Hans,
 

maybe some interference with cont-en.ini; does
 texexec --make --alone
work ok?
   

yes. It gives me cont-en, cont-nl,  metafun and  mptopdf  in the
current dir.
BTW: I use the current texlive (the last one shipped to members of
local tugs)
 

hm, i always have the impression that that version is sensitive for the location of 
the cpx files; because i setup the texmf vars more rigurously --alone puts the formats 
where they belong;
future versions of tex live need more care: officially the formats will go under subpaths in web2c, but tetex will not follow that scheme; so, it's good to keep an eye on where formats finally end up; since you install fonts yourself, you may also take a look at the enc/map settings  (below); the textools script (in distribution) is able to correct the tree -) 

Hans   

- my setup script ---
# example setup file / hans hagen
#
# dos2unix setuptex
# . setuptex
# mktexlsr
# texexec --make --alone
TEXROOT=$1
if ! test -f "$TEXROOT/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex" ; then
   TEXROOT="$PWD" ;
fi
if ! test -f "$TEXROOT/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex" ; then
   TEXROOT="$PWD/tex" ;
fi
if ! test -f "$TEXROOT/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex" ; then
   TEXROOT="/usr/local/context/tex" ;
fi
if ! test -f "$TEXROOT/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex" ; then
   TEXROOT="/usr/local/tex" ;
fi
if ! test -f "$TEXROOT/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex" ; then
   echo "provide a proper tex root (like /something/tex)" ;
   exit 1 ;
fi
export TEXROOT
TEXMFMAIN=$TEXROOT/texmf
TEXMFLOCAL=$TEXROOT/texmf-local
TEXMFFONTS=$TEXROOT/texmf-fonts
TEXMFEXTRA=$TEXROOT/texmf-extra
TEXMFPROJECT=$TEXROOT/texmf-project
TEXMFOS=$TEXROOT/texmf-linux
VARTEXMF=$TMP/texmf-var
export TEXMFMAIN
export TEXMFLOCAL
export TEXMFPROJECT
export TEXMFFONTS
export TEXMFEXTRA
export TEXMFOS
export VARTEXMF
CTXDEVTXPATH=
CTXDEVMPPATH=
CTXDEVMFPATH=
export CTXDEVTXPATH
export CTXDEVMPPATH
export CTXDEVMFPATH
CTXDEVPLPATH=
CTXDEVRBPATH=
CTXDEVPYPATH=
CTXDEVJVPATH=
export CTXDEVPLPATH
export CTXDEVRBPATH
export CTXDEVPYPATH
export CTXDEVJVPATH
PATH=$TEXMFOS/bin:$PATH
export PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFLOCAL\SCRIPTS\PERL\CONTEXT:$PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFLOCAL\SCRIPTS\RUBY\CONTEXT:$PATH
#
# PATH=$TEXMFLOCAL\CONTEXT\PERL:$PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFLOCAL\CONTEXT\PERLTK:$PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFLOCAL\CONTEXT\RUBY:$PATH
#
# PATH=$TEXMFPROJECT\CONTEXT\PERL:$PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFPROJECT\CONTEXT\PERLTK:$PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFPROJECT\CONTEXT\RUBY:$PATH
# PATH=$TEXMFPROJECT\CONTEXT\BIN:$PATH
#
# export PATH
# the next lines fail on dec alpha os's, so there you need
# to comment them (bug traced down by kees van marle/martin
# corrino)
HOMETEXMF=/nonexist
export HOMETEXMF
TEXMFCNF=$TEXROOT/texmf{-local,}/web2c
TEXMF='{$TEXMFOS,$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMFFONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN}'
TEXMFDBS=$TEXMF
export TEXMFCNF
export TEXMF
export TEXMFDBS
TEXFORMATS=$TEXMFOS/web2c
MPMEMS=$TEXFORMATS
TEXPOOL=$TEXFORMATS
MPPOOL=$TEXFORMATS
export TEXFORMATS
export MPMEMS
export TEXPOOL
export MPPOOL
TEXINPUTS=
MPINPUTS=
MFINPUTS=
export TEXINPUTS
export MPINPUTS
export MFINPUTS
# SET EXAMPLEROOT=$VARTEXMF
# EXPORT EXAMPLEROOT
if ((test -w "$TEXMFOS/bin/texmfstart") && (! test -x "$TEXMFOS/bin/texmfstart")) ; 
then
   chmod 755 $TEXMFOS/bin/*
fi
-- my config file ---
% This file loads before texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf; beware :
% the selfish auto parent can get in the way especially when
% the binaries are located elsewhere. In case of multiple
% trees, one can best set the following ones manually.
TEXMFMAIN = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf
TEXMFLOCAL= $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-local
TEXMFFONTS= $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-fonts
TEXMFEXTRA= $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-extra
TEXMFPROJECTS = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-projects
VARTEXMF  = $SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-var
HOMETEXMF = /nonexist
TEXMF = {$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMFFONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
SYSTEXMF  = $TEXMF
TEXMFCNF  = .;$TEXMF/texmf{-local,}/web2c
TEXMFDBS  = $TEXMF;$VARTEXFONTS
VARTEXFONTS   = $TEMPFONTPATH/varfonts
% In the case of an multi-os setup, this one can be set
% by the environment.
TEXFORMATS= .;$TEXMF/web2c
MFBASES   = .;$TEXFORMATS
MPMEMS= .;$TEXFORMATS
TEXPOOL   = .;$TEXFORMATS
MFPOOL= .;$TEXFORMATS
MPPOOL= .;$TEXFORMATS
WEB2C = $TEXMF/web2c
% fonts
TEXPSHEADERS  = 
.;$TEXMF/{fonts/{enc,map,type1,truetype},dvips,pdftex,tex}//;$TEXMF/{etex,tex,pdftex,dvips,fonts/type1}//
TEXFONTMAPS   = 
.;$TEXMF/{fonts/map//,fontname};$TEXMF/{pdftex,dvips}/config;$TEXMF/{pdftex,dvips}//
VFFONTS   = .;$TEXMF/fonts/vf//
TFMFONTS  = .;{$TEXMF/fonts,$VARTEXFONTS}/tfm//
T1FONTS   = .;$TEXMF/fonts/{type1,pfb}//;$TEXMF/fonts/misc/hbf//
AFMFONTS  = .;$TEXMF/fonts/afm//
LIGFILES  = .;$TEXMF/fonts/lig//
TTFONTS   = .;$TEXMF/fonts/{truetype,ttf}//
TTF2TFMINPUTS = .;$TEXMF/ttf2pk//
T42FONTS  = .;$TEXMF/fonts/type42//
MISCFONTS = .;$TEXMF/fonts/misc//
ENCFONTS  = .;$TEXMF/{fonts/enc,dvips

[NTG-context] Re: Installation problem

2004-06-22 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Hans and Matt,


here is my solution:

in texexec.ini change

set  TeXFormatFlag  to  &

into:

set  TeXFormatFlag  to  

(empty)


and run texexec like:

texexec --tex=pdfetex file.tex


this is because texexec checks 

if ( $TeXFormatFlag eq "" ) {
if ($TeXProgram =~ /(etex|pdfetex)/) {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-efmt=" ; # >=2004 -fmt=
} elsif ($TeXProgram =~ /(eomega)/) {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-eoft=" ; # >=2004 obsolete
} elsif ($TeXProgram =~ /(aleph)/) {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-fmt=" ;
} else {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-fmt=" ;
}
}


and $TeXProgram is not set to $TeXExecutable (why the two different vars?)


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[NTG-context] Re: { in input file names

2004-06-22 Thread Nikolai Weibull
* Hans Hagen Outside <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 22, 2004 10:40]:
> >Another one of my sort of weird questions.  I have a file with { in
> weird indeed, are you searching for the limits of tex/context/your-os?

Nah, I'm just getting used to Tom Lord's naming scheme
http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/FunkyFileNames
since I use GNU Arch for revision control.

I have my project files in ~/src/{projects}/

> >file name and context doesn't seem to enjoy it much:
> i only enjoy names that match [a-z0-9\-]

[a-z0-9{=,+-] on my side

> You can put this somewhere (cont-loc.tex or so) since i'm not that
> sure if it does not interfere, so i (and others) need to test this for
> a long time
[cut]

OK, that worked fine for me.  I'll report any problems.
nikolai

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: Installation problem

2004-06-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
<>here is my solution:
in texexec.ini change
set TeXFormatFlag to &
into:
set TeXFormatFlag to
(empty)
and run texexec like:
texexec --tex=pdfetex file.tex
this is because texexec checks
if ( $TeXFormatFlag eq "" ) {
if ($TeXProgram =~ /(etex|pdfetex)/) {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-efmt=" ; # >=2004 -fmt=
} elsif ($TeXProgram =~ /(eomega)/) {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-eoft=" ; # >=2004 obsolete
} elsif ($TeXProgram =~ /(aleph)/) {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-fmt=" ;
} else {
$TeXFormatFlag = "-fmt=" ;
}
}

indeed, the texexec.rme file is changed accordingly; i needed that 
change because & is giving to much problems in nested calls; also, next 
year there will be changes again because from now on web2c formats will 
be fmt, like

 web2c/pdfetex/cont-en.fmt
instead of
 web2c/cont-en.efmt
(currently both -efmt and -fmt are handled by the latest pdfetex) ; i 
didn't check miktex yet

<>and $TeXProgram is not set to $TeXExecutable (why the two different 
vars?)
dunno, must have a look
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: { in input file names

2004-06-22 Thread Hans Hagen
Nikolai Weibull wrote:
* Hans Hagen Outside <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 22, 2004 10:40]:
 

Another one of my sort of weird questions.  I have a file with { in
 

weird indeed, are you searching for the limits of tex/context/your-os?
   

Nah, I'm just getting used to Tom Lord's naming scheme
http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/FunkyFileNames
since I use GNU Arch for revision control.
I have my project files in ~/src/{projects}/
 

file name and context doesn't seem to enjoy it much:
 

i only enjoy names that match [a-z0-9\-]
   

[a-z0-9{=,+-] on my side
 

You can put this somewhere (cont-loc.tex or so) since i'm not that
sure if it does not interfere, so i (and others) need to test this for
a long time
   

[cut]
OK, that worked fine for me.  I'll report any problems.
 

first problem: graphics not found -) 

so, we probably can only do: 

\def\usepath[#1]% test for a real long time, permits ../{name} i.e. braces
 {\def\docommando##1%
{\doifelse{##1}\v!reset
   {\let\allinputpaths\empty}
   {\sanitizefilename#1\to\ascii
\convertcommand\ascii\to\ascii
\addtocommalist\ascii\allinputpaths}}%
  \processcommalist[#1]\docommando}
\def\usesubpath[#1]% test for a real long time, permits ../{name} i.e. braces
 {\ifx\allinputpaths\empty
\sanitizefilename#1\to\allinputpaths
  \else
\def\docommando##1%
  {\def\dodocommando1%
 {\sanitizefilename1\to\ascii
  \convertcommand\ascii\to\ascii
  \addtocommalist{##1/\ascii}\allinputpaths}%
   \processcommalist[#1]\dodocommando}%
\processcommacommand[\allinputpaths]\docommando
  \fi}
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[NTG-context] when trying to setup Arial fonts...

2004-06-22 Thread jimarin
Hi all,

I am trying to setup Arial fonts...I am quite a newbie to this ConTeXt
thing...

Once Willi told me to use:

>Hi Jose
>
>use
>
>\usetypescript[helvetica][\defaultencoding]
>\setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt]
>
>Success!
>
>Willi

I have just done \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt] cause

\usetypescript apparently is not recognised in my ConTeXt (previous
version to the latest update of these days)

what is the use of this \usetypescript thing?

is Arial just a nickname for Helvetica sans-serif?

cheers !

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[NTG-context] Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts...

2004-06-22 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Jose,


> I am trying to setup Arial fonts...I am quite a newbie to this ConTeXt
> thing...

>
> I have just done \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt] cause
>
> \usetypescript apparently is not recognised in my ConTeXt (previous
> version to the latest update of these days)

\usetypescript is an old command. Your ConTeXt surely knows about
this command.

> what is the use of this \usetypescript thing?

Well, typescripts are complicated. See Bill' page at
http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html

using Helvetica works for me:
--
\usetypescript [adobekb][\defaultencoding] 
\usetypescript [postscript][\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt]
  
\starttext
foo
\stoptext
--


> is Arial just a nickname for Helvetica sans-serif?

Well, yes and no.

There is no such thing as Helvetica sans-serif, because Helvetica
*is* without serifs. And Arial and Helvetica are two different fonts,
though similar looking and same metrics. But, depending on your
setup, asking for Helvetica can result in using Arial in Acrobat
Reader.

Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts...

2004-06-22 Thread jimarin
Hi Patrick,

thanks for your reply...

hmmm, I tried your code but I get a funny message.

The thing is that I suspect I am lacking some files...

***
...
... many things here...at the end crashes because...
...
typescript : [map] [ec] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex))kpathsea: Running
mktextfm ec-u
hvr8a
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source abbreviation  for
ec-uhvr8
a.
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ?
mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1;
nonstopmode; inpu
t ec-uhvr8a
This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.4.5)

kpathsea: Running mktexmf ec-uhvr8a
! I can't find file `ec-uhvr8a'.
<*> ...jfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a

Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...jfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a

Transcript written on mfput.log.
mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input
ec-uh
vr8a' failed.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.

! Font \*12ptsstf*=ec-uhvr8a at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not
foun
d.

   \relax
\xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier
  \let
\localrelativefontsiz...

\fontstrategy ...ame #1\csname #2#3#4#5\endcsname
  \tryingfontfalse \fi
 ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize
  \fi \iftryingfont
\fontstr...

\synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies
  \relax \fi
\ifskipfontchar...
 \getvalue [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ \fontstyle }
   \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle
}\if...
...
l.3 \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt]

?


I think something is not ok in my configuration...perhaps I don´t have the
whole font set...I am running the TeX that comes wrapped with cygwin...and
ConTeXt on top of it...

any clue?

Jose

> Hello Jose,
>
>
>> I am trying to setup Arial fonts...I am quite a newbie to this ConTeXt
>> thing...
>
>>
>> I have just done \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt] cause
>>
>> \usetypescript apparently is not recognised in my ConTeXt (previous
>> version to the latest update of these days)
>
> \usetypescript is an old command. Your ConTeXt surely knows about
> this command.
>
>> what is the use of this \usetypescript thing?
>
> Well, typescripts are complicated. See Bill' page at
> http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html
>
> using Helvetica works for me:
> --
> \usetypescript [adobekb][\defaultencoding]
> \usetypescript [postscript][\defaultencoding]
> \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt]
>
> \starttext
> foo
> \stoptext
> --
>
>
>> is Arial just a nickname for Helvetica sans-serif?
>
> Well, yes and no.
>
> There is no such thing as Helvetica sans-serif, because Helvetica
> *is* without serifs. And Arial and Helvetica are two different fonts,
> though similar looking and same metrics. But, depending on your
> setup, asking for Helvetica can result in using Arial in Acrobat
> Reader.
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki

2004-06-22 Thread Holger Schöner
Hello,

> >> [starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/
> 
> > Finde ich eine gute Idee! Was mir (neben der Hilfe auf auf der Liste für 
> > neue Probleme) am meisten bringt, und ich bisher etwas vermisse, sind 
> > Beispiel-Dokumente (genauer: deren Quellcode).
> [missing example documents and sources]
> 
> 
> What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know
> that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code
> included?

I am sorry for sending the first answer in German; I accidentally sent it to
the whole list.

I was thinking of all kinds of day-to-day documents, like the letter
template I mentioned. I could not find one according to DIN-standards, so I
did some trial-and-error experiments and created my own. Arguments for a 
collection could be:

1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents
   could spare others such time consuming trials.

2) On the other hand, my template could for sure be further improved (beyond
   the level, I am capable of), so by putting it on a WIKI, I may get hints
   and feedback by others.

What was your motivation for mentioning such a collection on the WIKI?

Another advantage of the WIKI would be the following: I am often lost, when 
I try to remember, where I found a certain hint/trick/technique I am 
remembering. If there is a place where everyone can edit pages and include 
hints or links to information, then there would be no need to create more 
and more separate web sites about ConTeXt, because the content could be 
placed in the WIKI, or it could at least be linked from there.

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[NTG-context] Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts...

2004-06-22 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello,

> thanks for your reply...
>
> hmmm, I tried your code but I get a funny message.
>
> The thing is that I suspect I am lacking some files...

Try 

\usetypescript [adobekb][ec]
\usetypescript [postscript][ec]
\setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt]

\starttext
foo
\stoptext

How old is your ConTeXt? What TeX system do you have?

Make sure that ther is a line in your logfile like:

fonts  : [adobekb] [ec] []

If this does not appear, post your complete logfile.

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[NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki

2004-06-22 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Holger,

>> >> [starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/

>> What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know
>> that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code
>> included?

> I was thinking of all kinds of day-to-day documents, like the letter
> template I mentioned. I could not find one according to DIN-standards, so I
> did some trial-and-error experiments and created my own. 

What were the difficulties you ran into?


> Arguments for a collection could be:
>
> 1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents
>could spare others such time consuming trials.

a) it is impossible to have a comprehensive collection of documents.
There are too many faces ConTeXt has.

b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities:

  1)   layout trickery
   macro hacking
   itemize weirdness
   crazy table fun

or

  2)   letters
   articles
   poems
   magazines/newspaper

Any other? Which one makes sense?

> 2) On the other hand, my template could for sure be further improved (beyond
>the level, I am capable of), so by putting it on a WIKI, I may get hints
>and feedback by others.

Yes, that would be a great thing. This is actually the reason why I
started this wiki (and texshow-web).

> What was your motivation for mentioning such a collection on the WIKI?

Every 4 months this question arises on this mailinglist. (Not really
true).


> Another advantage of the WIKI would be the following: I am often lost, when 
> I try to remember, where I found a certain hint/trick/technique I am 
> remembering. If there is a place where everyone can edit pages and include 
> hints or links to information, then there would be no need to create more 
> and more separate web sites about ConTeXt, because the content could be 
> placed in the WIKI, or it could at least be linked from there.

And (the best part!) there is a search field in the wiki. So if you
have important information there, get it in a few seconds.

But it is up to every user to add things to the wiki.

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Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki

2004-06-22 Thread Matt Gushee
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 05:55:24PM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

> > Arguments for a collection could be:
> >
> > 1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents
> >could spare others such time consuming trials.
> 
> a) it is impossible to have a comprehensive collection of documents.
> There are too many faces ConTeXt has.
> 
> b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities:

Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist
on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy. But what if you
classified documents on the basis of keywords, or key phrases? Then
visitors could either search based on those phrases or browse a keyword
index.

Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing
metadata.

And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials 
should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect
collection would be more helpful than none. And if people don't like
your collection, tell them to start their own. Isn't that what the Web
is all about?

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[NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki

2004-06-22 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi Matt,

>> b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities:
>
> Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist
> on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy. 

Oh, I don't insist on anything; I just don't have clue how to start...

> But what if you classified documents on the basis of keywords, or
> key phrases? Then visitors could either search based on those
> phrases or browse a keyword index.
>
> Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing
> metadata.

As far as I can see, it doesn't. But putting keywords on the pages
could help.

> And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials 
> should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect
> collection would be more helpful than none. 

Probably true.

> And if people don't like your collection, tell them to start their
> own. Isn't that what the Web is all about?

Right. Easy to change everything. 


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Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki

2004-06-22 Thread jimarin
Hi all,

the idea of the keywords is very nice...

in

http://wiki.tcl.tk

you can search for a specific page using the url

like in

http://wiki.tcl.tk/file

even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in:

http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu*

perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...don´t know how tclers do
theirs, but I guess they use tcl and they more or less can give some
advice.

Just some thoughts.

Cheers,

Jose Ignacio

> Hi Matt,
>
>>> b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities:
>>
>> Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist
>> on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy.
>
> Oh, I don't insist on anything; I just don't have clue how to start...
>
>> But what if you classified documents on the basis of keywords, or
>> key phrases? Then visitors could either search based on those
>> phrases or browse a keyword index.
>>
>> Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing
>> metadata.
>
> As far as I can see, it doesn't. But putting keywords on the pages
> could help.
>
>> And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials
>> should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect
>> collection would be more helpful than none.
>
> Probably true.
>
>> And if people don't like your collection, tell them to start their
>> own. Isn't that what the Web is all about?
>
> Right. Easy to change everything.
>
>
> Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] reference problem

2004-06-22 Thread dr. Hans van der Meer
On 20-jun-04, at 21:45, Hans Hagen Outside wrote:
dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:
In the ConTeXt manual (cont-eni.pdf) it says in the chapter on 
references by way of example:
can you try the version i uploaded yesterday?
(i introduced a feature and therefore bug but don't know yet why it 
fails on those cases)

I tried and now it works.
By the way, I found the typo in type-buy.tex (I just reported) has been 
corrected also. thanks.

Hans van der Meer
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[NTG-context] tables

2004-06-22 Thread dr. Hans van der Meer
Does someone knows where there is information on the table environment 
in ConTeXt?
I have read the intro on ConTeXt and the pamphlets from the Pragma-site 
on tabulate and btable, but there seem to be a lot more options than 
can be found in these; I encountered something like \AR etc. whose 
effects I could not figure out with some tests.

Also there is some mention of Wichura's manual. Is this somewhere to be 
found on the internet?

Thanks in advance.
Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] typo in recent version

2004-06-22 Thread dr. Hans van der Meer
On 22-jun-04, at 11:05, Hans Hagen wrote:
dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:
I found a typo in the recent version (16-06-2004) of ConTeXt.
In file type-buy.tex in line 143 one finds:
\definefontsynonym f[LucidaSans-DemiItalic] ...
The f before the [ is a spurious character and should be removed.
it's even worse, since there are some out-of-typescript lines; i found 
out a few days ago so the latest version should be ok; i can send you 
the type-buy file if needed

Thanks for the prompt reply. In the mean time I got the version dated 
21 june. If that one is ok or if you are readying a newer version soon, 
then do not bother to send me an update. I am looking fairly regular 
for updates. Anyway, I managed today to typeset my lucida fonts.

Hans van der Meer
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Re: [NTG-context] tables

2004-06-22 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Does someone knows where there is information on the table environment 
in ConTeXt?
Also there is some mention of Wichura's manual. Is this somewhere to 
be found on the internet?
This is a FAQ, please search the ML archive.
In short: The manual is sold with the TaBlE package.
Better try ConTeXt's newer HTML-like tables.
Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: [NTG-context] Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts...

2004-06-22 Thread jimarin
Hello there,

I have tried

> Try
>
> \usetypescript [adobekb][ec]
> \usetypescript [postscript][ec]
> \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt]
>
> \starttext
> foo
> \stoptext
>
> How old is your ConTeXt? What TeX system do you have?
>
> Make sure that ther is a line in your logfile like:
>
> fonts  : [adobekb] [ec] []
>
> If this does not appear, post your complete logfile.
>
> Patrick

the line appears but the command fails

my ConTeXt is the latest...just downloaded

my TeX is the one that comes bundled with cygwin:

This is TeXk, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.4.5)

also

This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.4.5)

the poor thing says that it cannot make:

mktextfm ec-uhvr8a

I enclose the output


thanks !


Jose


 TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002

executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
 inputfile : new
output : pdftex
 interface : en
  current mode : none
   TeX run : 1

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
 \write18 enabled.
 %&-line parsing enabled.
entering extended mode
(./new.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2004.6.21  fmt: 2004.6.22  int: english  mes: english

language   : language en is active

system : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems: beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
color  : palette rollover is available
system (E-TEX) : [line 578] 
system (E-TEX) : [line 633] 
)
system : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading: Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading: Context File Synonyms
)
bodyfont   : 12pt rm is loaded
language   : patterns 2:2-es-2 3:2-en-2 4:2-uk-2 5:2-de-2 6:2-fr-2 7:2-it-2
 8:2-nl-2 loaded
specials   : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system : new.top loaded
(./new.top
specials   : loading definition file tpd
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials   : loading definition file fdf
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex  
system (E-TEX) : [line 2270] \ifcsname 
 )
specials   : fdf loaded
 )
specials   : fdf,tpd loaded
)
fonts  : [adobekb] [ec] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
fonts  : [postscript] [ec] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex
fonts  : [postscript] [rm] [serif] [times] / ec
fonts  : [map] [ec] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
fonts  : [serif,map] [times] [name,default,ec,special]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
fonts  : [serif] [default] [size]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
fonts  : [postscript] [mm] [math] [times] / ec
fonts  : [map] [ec] []
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
fonts  : [math,map] [times] [name,default,ec,special]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
fonts  : [math] [default] [size]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/s

Re: [NTG-context] Re: ConTeXt-Wiki

2004-06-22 Thread Maurice Diamantin
Le 22 juin 04, à 19:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
the idea of the keywords is very nice...
in
  http://wiki.tcl.tk
you can search for a specific page using the url
yes! it's the best exemple I know about!
No need to define a strict hierchical structure.
Also, this could be the url for hight level FAQ
(this forum it not realy a hight level forum!)
- how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?)
- which/where is the reference documentation
  (don't reply with some recursive answer!)
- how many euro poeple would pay for a reference
  ConTeXt book?
I know these questions has been answered somewhere,
and some days ago,
But I know that because I have followed this
mailing list for months.
But I'm not sure I'm able to find these without asking
to this list!
like in
http://wiki.tcl.tk/file
even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in:
http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu*
perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...don´t know how tclers do
theirs, but I guess they use tcl and they more or less can give some
advice.
Just some thoughts.
Cheers,
Jose Ignacio
-- Maurice Diamantini   http://www.ensta.fr/~diam
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