On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 03:42:11PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:58, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure that I understand the
> > problem with ` (GRAVE ACCENT) that cannot be solved with a macro or by a
> > setting that disactivates the production of ‘ (LEFT SINGLE
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:10:07AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> (actually one of my reasons for never using `` '' is that it looks
> quite ugly in the source as the second pair is not tilted and i hate
> ugly looking sources)
Since I'm using Inconsolata while reading this email, I had hard time
unde
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 08:31:22PM +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> - The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
> away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
> way to print the grave accent. (Grave accent will be automatically
> converted to the sa
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> % is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
>> and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro
>
> \comment{something}
better something like this where the comment ends at the end of the line
\bg
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:58, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
>
> I'm not sure that I understand the
> problem with ` (GRAVE ACCENT) that cannot be solved with a macro or by a
> setting that disactivates the production of ‘ (LEFT SINGLE QUOTE MARK).
Try to process the following with XeTeX (I would be gratefu
Hi Alan,
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
Furthermore, some "editors" such as MS-Word break the source, substituting
RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (Character: ’ U+2019) for
APOSTROPHE (Character: ' U+0027)
for some insane reason cited as the preferred character to be used for
apostrophe.
From the Unicode
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 10:10:07 Hans Hagen wrote:
> in principle we can even drop $ and & as we now have primitives for them
Can you explain? I ignore the primatives for $E=mc^2$.
Whereas Mojca regrets $$ $$, I have long prefered \startformula\stopformula
(or \begin{equation}\end{equation
On 20-1-2010 8:28, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote
the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely
to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual
as
On 20-1-2010 8:04, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards,
Let's be honest ... any French keyboard ... :)
Don't forget macbook keyboards with dvorak mapping ;)
and if i remember right mojca has a slovenian dvorak with some missing
k
On Wed, Jan 20 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> What I also find disturbing is that *some* of these conventions are retained,
> but not all.
Since most people use fixed width fonts in their editors, it is difficult
to distinguish between – (en-dash), — (em-dash) and - (hyphen-minus).
So "--" and "---
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote
> the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely
> to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual
> as thoroughly as they should).
>
Th
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards,
Let's be honest ... any French keyboard ... :)
Don't forget macbook keyboards with dvorak mapping ;)
I agree with that ... but there's a general "problem" with
(unmaintaned) documentation in ConTeXt.
There is the m
On Tue, Jan 19 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> My own computers are US International. However, I often use other
> computers having different layouts, many of which I cannot change.
> The worst I find are the Macs with French keyboards, as when I use them,
> I always have to remember how to find \ and
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 21:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
>
> I think that the easiest would be for everyone to use English :)
> That's my bit for Imperialism!
But then there would be plenty of historians trying to reproduce the
"old languages", just as Idris does. So nothing would be gained :) :)
:)
>
On 19-1-2010 21:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
and just as we expect fl to yield fl, we also learn many "bad" tricks
more precisely: as tex turns fl into fl without distinction between
languages we have come to expect that to be the case
such as ``'' and ...
i must admit that i've never used thos
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 19.01.10 21:26, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
% is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro
\comment{something}
or
\startcomment
...
\stopcomment
what about
\
Am 19.01.10 21:26, schrieb Aditya Mahajan:
% is problmeatic because you need a character to start a comment
and there is AFAIK no way to get the same result from % with a macro
\comment{something}
or
\startcomment
...
\stopcomment
what about
\starttext
text Auf%
lage text
\stoptext
or
\de
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 20:31:22 Mojca Miklavec wrote:
Let me be a bit more "nationalistic" and exaggerate a bit for a moment
(just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one;
do not take the text below too seriously or personally):
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 19.01.10 21:10, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc.
and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea
to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)?
How about % (\%)? Not
Am 19.01.10 21:10, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
You probably are right to favor \quotation{}, \dots, etc.
and to go unicode. But is it really necessary and a good idea
to break with TeX culture? I guess so. What about $ $ (and $$ $$)?
How about % (\%)? Not to mention&
$ and & are no problem because
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 20:31:22 Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Let me be a bit more "nationalistic" and exaggerate a bit for a moment
> (just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one;
> do not take the text below too seriously or personally):
I think that the easiest would be for
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
This can be a bit disturbing for experienced TeX users.
- The deciding moment when some of these ugly tricks have been thrown
away was when we realized that if you do add those tricks, there is no
way to print the grave accent. (Grave accent will be a
Let me be a bit more "nationalistic" and exaggerate a bit for a moment
(just in order to explain why I find the idea of using `` a bad one;
do not take the text below too seriously or personally):
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 14:15, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Monday 18 January 2010 13:50:25 Taco Hoekwate
On 18-1-2010 14:15, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
This is true of many standard TeX ligatures (is this the right word here?)
actually they are inoput tricks misusing tex's ligature mechanism and
there are also some weird ones (never used in practice)
such as ... (\ldots, \dots also works),<< (\og),
2010/1/18 Alan BRASLAU :
> I have very mixed feelings, as I know how to type ...
> but I never can recall the keyboard gymnastics necessary
> to get this in unicode.
> (Things are even worse on a Mac, as the standard keyboard
> layout is missing lots of important characters.)
At least with German
On Monday 18 January 2010 13:50:25 Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hi,
>
> views63 wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong.
>
> Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;)
>
> > but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quot
2010/1/18 Taco Hoekwater
>
> Hi,
>
> views63 wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong.
>
> Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;)
>
> > but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quotation marks
>
> This is the righ
Hi,
views63 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using `` complex analysis'' the output is wrong.
Not really. We (Hans and I) would say that it is now finally right. ;)
> but using \ quotation (... ...) can output the correct quotation marks
This is the right way to do it. Alternatively, you can use uni
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