[nycwireless] How to do City wireless: 25 words or less
The SF-Earthlink deal falls apart like a rotten souffle. http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/06/san-francisco-pulls-the-plug-on-google-earthlinks-citywide-wi/ What's the sensible alternative? Give it a shot. 25 words or less. Here's mine: * City planning meets network experts NOT SUITS. * Bond issue for muni broadband. * Limit ISP: switchable commodity. * Layered infrastructure, upgradeable * Limit expectations * Proof of Concept -- Wimax Yours may differ. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] SF Guardian: Say Goodbye to Earthlink
Earthlink tries some clever spin but it's their own fault for acting like they could provide this service. Totally wrong partner. I wonder what if they're now going to try to put the screws to New Orleans... --- EarthLink, the big technology firm that has been negotiating with San Francisco to build a free wireless network for the city and its residents, just announced a change in corporate strategy. On July 26, CEO Rolla P. Huff told stock analysts that the company would no longer pursue the sort of deal that San Francisco wants; instead, Huff said, EarthLink wants each municipality to step up and become an anchor tenant. That would mean San Francisco forking over millions of dollars a year to guarantee EarthLink some baseline revenue. It's highly unlikely that the Board of Supervisors would agree to that sort of deal. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] RE: SF Guardian: Say Goodbye to Earthlink
http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=4183catid=4volume_id=254issue_id=308volume_num=41issue_num=44 -Original Message- From: Rob Kelley Sent: Thu 8/2/2007 3:28 PM To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: SF Guardian: Say Goodbye to Earthlink Earthlink tries some clever spin but it's their own fault for acting like they could provide this service. Totally wrong partner. I wonder what if they're now going to try to put the screws to New Orleans... --- EarthLink, the big technology firm that has been negotiating with San Francisco to build a free wireless network for the city and its residents, just announced a change in corporate strategy. On July 26, CEO Rolla P. Huff told stock analysts that the company would no longer pursue the sort of deal that San Francisco wants; instead, Huff said, EarthLink wants each municipality to step up and become an anchor tenant. That would mean San Francisco forking over millions of dollars a year to guarantee EarthLink some baseline revenue. It's highly unlikely that the Board of Supervisors would agree to that sort of deal. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] T-Mobile introduces phone that'll switch to wifi
Um, wow... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/technology/circuits/05pogue.html?emex=1183780800en=9b1df670af399cecei=5087%0A -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Article: Covad goes the last mile
Hmm. Another suggestion about how to get off copper. How feasible is this? http://voxilla.com/soapvox/2007/06/08/covad-goes-the-last-mile-219 snip When youre the only national DSL network in the U.S. what do you do for your next act? You disintermediate the copper wire. In plain English, you take it out of the equation. And the way you take it out is with fixed WiMax technology. Thats the idea right now at Covad, according to Director of Marketing Simon McIver. The SMB market is ripe for a new connection, according to McIver. Small and mid-size businesses are waking up to the fact that consumer broadband services dont cut it for business applications like POS systems, Web servers, or even office email. The problem with cable and DSL is that its a shared line. That means that things may work smoothly at 9:00 a.m. when kids are in school, but slow down at 3:00 p.m. when they get out and hit the MMOGs (massively multiplayer online games). A traditional solution is a good old fashioned T1 line with 1.5 megabytes locked in, explains McIver. Its consistent, its always there. But for small businesses, its a prohibitively costly solution. Thats where fixed WiMax comes in. Unlike WiFi, WiMax can deliver the assured bandwidth and higher reliability of a T1 with a lot less infrastructure. WiMax also has wider range and better coverage than WiFi especially indoors. /snip -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] The Indypendent: Municipal Broadband Takes On TheInternet Cartel
Now that's well put. The state of US fraudband: An Out of Control Spiral of Disinvestment Now on Reddit: http://reddit.com/info/1sm8m/comments/c1sm91?context=5 and Digg: http://digg.com/tech_news/Municipal_Broadband_Takes_On_The_Internet_Cartel Vote it up on your site of choice... -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Fonera Source Code
FYI. From the FON blog, FON has released their source code. It seems to be an OpenWRT variant. http://blog.fon.com/en/archive/general/la-fonera-source-code.html -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Fw: Re: Wardriving kit?
All: We're trying to put together some wardriving kits for an upcoming wardrive of Manhattan, and we're looking for gear. Does anyone have any of the following they can donate temporarily or permanently? * Garmin Metrix Legend * Orinoco Gold PCMCIA card * pigtail for Orinoco * cartop magnetic antenna We're looking to make this: http://www.airtouchnetworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODStore_Code=assProduct_Code=DEKCategory_Code=wk Let me know. Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Mobile Shopping (lucky, unthirsty, chowhound, FIFA)
A bumper crop of links in this Mobile Wireless story. Lucky mag is trying out text-message shopping in its July and August issues. http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=5603 More interesting to me is http://unthirsty.com, a simple google mashup that'll tell you what watering holes in your area have drinks, happy hours, specials--and wi-fi. And they have a mobile interface. -- -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Mobile Shopping (lucky, unthirsty, chowhound, FIFA)
A bumper crop of links in this Mobile Wireless story. Lucky mag is trying out text-message shopping in its July and August issues. http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=5603 More interesting to me is http://unthirsty.com, a simple google mashup that'll tell you what watering holes in your area have drinks, happy hours, specials--and wi-fi. And they have a mobile interface. -- -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Article: Wireless for NYC has Class
From Wi-Fi Planet -- [http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3618706 ] Wireless for NYC has Class By Eric Griffith July 7, 2006 Unlike a lot of big cities like San Francisco and Philadelphia, New York City is taking a measured approach to installing Wi-Fi. Reports this week in Newsday and the New York Times re-confirmed plans to install public use wireless LANs limited to city parks. Ten parks will go live by the end of the summer including areas of Central Park installed and run for the NYC Parks Department by Wi-Fi Salon with the help of Nokia (as sponsor). Certainly the future of installing wireless services, whether Wi-Fi, WiMax, or something we don't even know about yet, seems bright. Those future deployments may happen courtesy of people who are today students in classes like Monroe College's Wireless Technology course. Students who aren't afraid of a little hard work. John McMullen is a professor in the school's Computer Information Systems (CIS) department; he teaches the wireless technology class in question. He decided that the theory required by the New York State Regents wasn't enough. His upper-level class is actively working to install Wi-Fi hotspots. The goal is to put service into areas not well served with broadband right now. Recently his class helped put in access points in Madison Square Park, a coffee shop in Harlem, Subway restaurants in the Bronx, and even a daycare center in Brooklyn. Most of these deployments are done working with the community group NYCWireless. Students aren't just installing hardware wherever they think is appropriate. They also have to sell the venue owners on whether its worthwhile. Student's cold call and have to explain things, says McMullen. If it's a restaurant or coffee shop, they'd spell out how the point would be to lure customers in. Immediate concern for many is how you get them out. You can have a policy for restricted access for half and hour, say. The point is, students must convince them of the benefit. His students helped NYCWireless and Solar One (the citys' first Green Energy, Arts, and Education Center with goal of inspiring environmentally friendly citizens) with the deployment of a solar-powered hotspot in Stuyvesant Cove Park on the East River. It opened for use in March this year. McMullen says the work they do going out and selling and getting your hands dirty prepares students for graduate school, but maybe even more so for real-world work. He says the installation at Coogan's Restaurant near NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center was typical, in that they had to go from the basement, drill holes, come up through a column with Ethernet wire, mount the router in a very high spot, etc. It's something they often don't get to do in college. Even if putting in wireless routers is fun, it's not everything, as the course theory does cover the gamut from Wi-Fi to WiMax to cellular connections and potential tech of the future. The class is interspersed with expert speakers, such as a PhD. researcher from Columbia University who happens to be a NYCWireless board member that can tell students about the culturally different ways wireless is used between the United States and Japan, for instance. Other speakers might cover using open source firmware on routers. Hopefully it'll cause students to push on, says McMullen, who's obviously concerned about the future employability of his students in a tight job market. They need a skill they can market, but they must constantly look at what's next, what will change. Everything is standards. As we go to 802.11, 80.15, 802.16, it's all spelled out. But they need something they can sell today. McMullen says after so many months and years of the city not having a wireless plan, that NYCWireless is they only game in town that works, but that may soon change if Wi-Fi Salon gets its act together. It has had a contract with the city since late 2004 to deploy park hotspots but only delivered on one, in Battery Park. The NYTimes says 18 locations in 10 city parks will be lit up by August. Parks will include Battery, Central, Riverside (plus Union and Washington Squares) in Manhattan, and others in the Queens and the Bronx. Eight alone will be in Central Park it's not a full park coverage network. The city is no longer looking to make money off any of these ventures as it did at first. Private companies like Telkonet think they can deliver commercial service at least in Manhattan via building-based hotzones. When you come to the fork in the road, take it - L.P. Berra Always make new mistakes -- Esther Dyson Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke You Gotta Believe - Frank Tug McGraw (1944 - 2004 RIP) Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest -- Samuel Clemens
Re: [nycwireless] NYT: New York to Examine Creating Citywide Broadband Network
What kind of press release can we do for MSP that builds on and distinguishes itself from these releases? R http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/nyregion/07wifi.html [dead tree version: B2] July 7, 2006 New York to Examine Creating Citywide Broadband Network By SEWELL CHAN Even as a contractor moves ahead with plans to install wireless networks in 10 parks, New York City intends to study whether to establish a citywide broadband network similar to those planned by cities like Philadelphia and San Francisco. The study, commissioned by the city's Economic Development Corporation, will examine whether there is a need for a citywide broadband network as a municipal initiative and what legal, technical, logistical and economic challenges such a project would involve, according to a request for proposals that the city released on June 14. The request for proposals was mentioned in a brief item in Crain's New York Business on June 26, but has otherwise attracted little attention until yesterday when Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg mentioned it. The mayor was addressing a project by the Department of Parks and Recreation to bring wireless Internet access to 18 locations in 10 major city parks, including Central and Riverside Parks in Manhattan, Prospect Park in Brooklyn and Pelham Bay and Van Cortlandt Parks in the Bronx. Asked why no Staten Island parks were included, Mr. Bloomberg said: The parks on Staten Island tend to be very small, and that's much harder to provide Wi-Fi to. So the first thing we're going to do is do the big parks, and then we'll take a look at the others. And we have actually started to do a study as to what it would take to do long, thin parks or very small parks, finding an economic way to do that. Consultants' proposals for conducting the broadband feasibility study are due on July 21. The first goal would be to assess the existing state of broadband services and decide whether a citywide network - or a more limited network - is needed. If the answer is yes, the Economic Development Corporation could have the consultant stay on to develop an economic and technological approach for the project. The request for proposals noted that broadband availability is already high in many neighborhoods, but also asked whether wireless access could be made widely available at competitive prices and whether a network could strengthen the local economy. In August 2004, a plan announced by Mayor John F. Street of Philadelphia to blanket the city's 135 square miles with broadband signals attracted national attention. A nonprofit organization created to oversee the project, Wireless Philadelphia, signed a contract in March with EarthLink, an Internet service provider based in Atlanta, to install transmittal devices on about 4,000 streetlights and create 22 free hot spots around the city. Other cities have followed suit. In April 2005, the city of Tempe, Ariz., hired the MobilePro Corporation of Bethesda, Md., to build a wireless network covering the city's 40 square miles. Last April, San Francisco selected EarthLink and Google to provide free or low-cost wireless Internet access across the city's 47 square miles. Last week, EarthLink opened a Wi-Fi network covering the central area of Anaheim, Calif. All of the city's 50 square miles are to be covered by the end of the year. Dana Spiegel, executive director of NYC Wireless, a local nonprofit group that has been hired by several business improvement districts and companies to set up wireless networks in public spaces, cautioned that the other cities might not be the right model for New York City to follow. We're a much bigger city and have a much more complicated set of connectivity problems, he said. It's unclear that municipal broadband at a citywide level is the solution for New York City. Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company -- === Joe Plotkin DSL/Marketing Bway.net - NYC's Best Internet === Bway.net Note-- new address: 568 Broadway Suite 404 New York, NY 10012 vox: 212.982.9800 fax: 212.982.5499 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xDSL info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.bway.net === -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Earthlink Anaheim
I'm happy to see someone else pointing out. When I first read the article I thought what the heck are they announcing?. It'd be nice to have some sort of measurement for the level and density of a wireless rollout. Especially for cities. I mean, is it one-AP per block or per zip code? I also think the price is too high. Still, then I saw Earthlink's been charging $21.95 for __dialup__. At that cost Earthlink has to do something more compelling with its wi-fi networks than just point to the Internet. There's gotta be some sort of compelling reason to hop on Earthlink's wireless network. Special content or applications. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Internet For All in Europe
Via Slashdot, EU gets behind Internet for All: http://news.com.com/Web+accessibility+soon+mandatory+in+Europe/2100-1036_3-6084113.html?tag=st_lh Man, being behind South Korea is one thing, but the Old World? Oh the irony... it looks like World Cup Soccer isn't the only thing we're losing at... Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Article: MobilePro Pulls out of Sacramento
Company says an advertising model won't be financially sustainable. Hmmm, Google says it will. Opinions? From dailywireless.org: [http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=5519 ] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: Article: MobilePro Pulls out of Sacramento
IMHO an advertising model is financially viable--it's just more risky for small players. In a subscription model, your users are right in front you; in an advertising model, you have to go out and get them. That may require deep pockets--like Google's. Rob [http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=5519 ] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Fwd: Solar One Shout-out
Klaus Ernst moblogs home: Hi, here's the solar1 wi-fi pic. Taken with selftimer. I'm using a HP h2215 with a Linksys 54g CF card. I'll check out Brooklyn Bridge Park soon. Regards, Klaus Ernst [http://nycwireless.net/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=31 ] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Getting the right Linksys for Supernode (WRT54GL)
I'm following up some requests from last night. If you're interested in flashing your own SuperNode, you can get your own base GL at Amazon and Newegg: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BTL0OA/002-0864115-2816861 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833124190 Both are pretty cheap ($50-$60 after rebate). Retail stores usually sell the non-L version. Mail order is safer! Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Getting the right Linksys for Supernode (WRT54GL)
Hi Ming: Good to hear your opinion. We're running half a dozen of these right now with no such problem. Maybe it's because we're ditching Linksys's default firmware for openwrt and wifidog http://openwrt.org http://wifidog.org Rob Ming Lim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the Linkysis product you referenced really sucks! It stalls on you every 2 weeks and then you have to reset it again. It's not worth the money -- Netgear is a better product! m On 6/1/06, Rob Kelley wrote: I'm following up some requests from last night. If you're interested in flashing your own SuperNode, you can get your own base GL at Amazon and Newegg: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BTL0OA/002-0864115-2816861 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833124190 Both are pretty cheap ($50-$60 after rebate). Retail stores usually sell the non-L version. Mail order is safer! Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- Ming Lim Ph: 858.395.8478 Email 1: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email 2: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Fwd: Help your Organizer - rate The NYCwireless (New York Wi-Fi) May Meetup
Let us know how you thought the meeting went! http://wifi.meetup.com/236/events/survey/?eventId=4912433 --- Meetup.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Meetup.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help your Organizer - rate The NYCwireless (New York Wi-Fi) May Meetup Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:25:30 -0400 (EDT) You RSVPed 'Yes' for The NYCwireless (New York Wi-Fi) May Meetup. Feedback helps your Organizer improve future Meetups. Would you please take a moment to click the link below and rate the event? http://wifi.meetup.com/236/events/survey/?eventId=4912433 Thanks! - The team at Meetup.com Did this end up in your spam/junk/bulk folder? Add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your address book to ensure that you receive emails from us. HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To remove yourself from individual Meetup Groups and their related emails, click the link below and select 'Remove yourself' under the name of the appropriate group: http://www.meetup.com/account/#memberships To unsubscribe from ALL Meetup Groups and the Meetup.com service as a whole, click here: http://www.meetup.com/account/unsub/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] DailyWireless: Mobile WiMAX (?)
DailyWireless reviews an Intel whitepaper and sounds a WiMAX alarm: How long until $99 USB Mobile WiMAX dongles are everywhere? How long until other countries get wireless broadband (with voice) at twice the speed for half the cost compared to the United States? One election cycle. The FCC's Kevin Martin and the NTIA's Michael Gallagher are on the hot seat. [http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=5488src=rss10 ] The whitepaper was sponsored by the WiMAX forum. Is this an accurate view of the situation? Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: Wi-Fi Load Rules of Thumb?
Additions to the broadband rules of thumb request. Does anyone know the basic up and down traffic for these types? Are there additional wifi-related issues to consider: 1. Web page 2. Text Chat 3. Streaming Audio 4. Streaming Video 5. VOIP call 6. VPN 7. Bittorrent 8. ... Thanks, Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wi-Fi Load Rules of Thumb?
Hi: I was looking at Tom's Networking review of the PBX [EMAIL PROTECTED] and came across an interesting statistic: each VoIP call can use anywhere from 20 to 90kbps in each direction Does anyone have good rules of thumb for the up and down traffic that different types of web apps put on a broadband connection? Are there added rules of thumb to consider when adding a wireless connection into the mix? I'm looking for the following metrics: 1. Web page 2. Text Chat 3. Streaming Audio 4. Streaming Video 5. VOIP call 6. ??? Thanks, Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Article: The right way to run a Wi-Fi cafe
For me, power has been MORE important than connectivity. I can check my email with my phone, but if I need to work on something I need my laptop which needs power. This became more important as my laptop's batteries aged. And then of course, what if your phone's dead. You don't need wi-fi, you need power. Power is the salt lick... Circulation can be an issue (alt.coffee), but it can made a non-issue (put the outlets under the counter like at Coliseum Books). I'd be curious for some ballpark statistics about the penny cost of powering a laptop for 15 minutes. I might be willing to pay for the outlet, but I'd be happier doing what I do now: offsetting the cost with some frothy frou-frou coffee drink. Rob --- Hammond, Robin-David%KB3IEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a bad idea. esp the shade one, with summer comming and all. Complementary power outlets seem to be a thorny issue, if coffee shops provide ready access to power, hotspots become areas of poor circulation, with all the issues that causes for buisness owners. I am curious: How many people reading this would be content using free wifi, but paying a hefty rate for the use of electricity (extending your indoor useage period beyond the life of your batteries), thereby ensuring that the buisness owners arn't penalized by allowing you access to electricity? Anyone who NEEDs unblocked ports like tcp 25 can tunnel to thier home computer, or get a free shell. I dont want to see overly open APs becoming a source of anonymised spam. Blocked ports are probably a Good Thing(tm) but tracking who is responsable in this field (and who is not) may help boost awareness. Biggles! Fetch the comfy chair! On Thu, 11 May 2006, Rob Kelley wrote: Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: [nycwireless] Article: The right way to run a Wi-Fi cafe [http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/05/02/1951202.shtml?tid=39tid=92 ] Some of this article was obvious but most of it wasn't, especially to Joe Coffeeshop owner. My big thing is power outlets. I like places where they're pentiful and easy to get to. In fact, I always thought it'd be cool to carry these not-so-obvious facts about a hotspot like: 1. Indoor? Outdoor? 2. Shade? 3. Comfy chairs? 4. Power outlets? 5. Blocked ports? 6. # Available seats (I go to places where there are a lot of seats). What makes a good wi-fi cafe? -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ Some people are born mediocre, some people achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. -- Joseph Heller, Catch-22 Robin-David Hammond KB3IEN www.aresnyc.org. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Article: The right way to run a Wi-Fi cafe
[http://business.newsforge.com/business/06/05/02/1951202.shtml?tid=39tid=92 ] Some of this article was obvious but most of it wasn't, especially to Joe Coffeeshop owner. My big thing is power outlets. I like places where they're pentiful and easy to get to. In fact, I always thought it'd be cool to carry these not-so-obvious facts about a hotspot like: 1. Indoor? Outdoor? 2. Shade? 3. Comfy chairs? 4. Power outlets? 5. Blocked ports? 6. # Available seats (I go to places where there are a lot of seats). What makes a good wi-fi cafe? -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Great Meeting! Wifi Lunchbox, v2
Wow Wednesday was a great meeting! I think it was the best in a recent string. I'm following up my brief show-n-tell about WifiLunchbox, version 2. This is a simple mod to make a Linksys less stuffy and boring. I'd love us to get a Wifi Chic or Wireless Stylings theme going. This time I used a simple $5.00 PLASTIC lunchbox (from JAM Paper on 14th and 3rd if you're local). Some big benefits I think. Features: 1. Translucency, better ventilation 2. No dremel drill necessary! Ordinary steak knife does this trick. 3. No signal sucking add-on adapters necessary (thanks Brian!) In this version, I removed the case to highlight the translucency. You should put a piece of metal (aluminum foil) on top of the antenna mounts and lan ports to ground them. Thanks Robin for the suggestion! You don't have to remove the case though. Detail pics here: http://nycwireless.net/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=5 Bonus cute as heck shot at the bottom. Have a great Saturday! Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Article: Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes
I can't tell how much of this is FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) reporting, but it's on AP and ABCNews... Does anyone else know what's really going on with the St. Cloud deployment? IMO, it looks like a problem with user education. Well, to respond to the writer, I see one lesson learned: as the stakes increase, free-to-the-public wi-fi networks should expect to be put under more of a microscope (especially by naysayers). Maybe SLAs are in order. -- Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes Apr 24, 7:41 AM (ET) By TRAVIS REED ST. CLOUD, Fla. (AP) - More than a month after St. Cloud launched what analysts say is the country's first free citywide Wi-Fi network, folks in this 28,000-person Orlando suburb are still paying to use their own Internet service providers as dead spots and weak signals keep some residents offline and force engineers to retool the free system. Joe Lusardi's friends back in New York couldn't believe it when he told them he'd have free Internet access through this city's new Wi-Fi network. Everybody's happy they were going to have it, but I don't know if they're happy right now, said Lusardi, a 66-year-old retired New York City transit worker. The same troubles with the small town's big Internet project could be lessons for municipalities from Philadelphia to San Francisco considering similar networks. St. Cloud officials are spending more than $2 million on a network they see as a pioneering model for freeing local families, schools and businesses from monthly Internet bills. It also promises to help the city reduce cell-phone bills and let paramedics in an ambulance talk by voice and video to hospital doctors. Instead, what they have so far is a work in progress. All technology has its hiccups, and sometimes more than hiccups, St. Cloud Mayor Donna Hart said. I think that it's going to be a major challenge, and it'll probably be a major challenge for some time until the technology is such that it works properly. Wi-Fi is the same technology behind wireless Internet access in coffee shops, airports and college campuses around the country. Several cities have Wi-Fi hotspots, but St. Cloud's 15-square-mile network is the first to offer free access citywide, said Seattle-based technology writer Glenn Fleishman, who runs a Web site called Wi-Fi Networking News. Other cities like Tempe, Ariz., have networks over a larger area (187 square miles), but access isn't free. Planned projects in places like Chicago and Philadelphia would also dwarf St. Cloud's network, but also require a fee for access. Google Inc. (GOOG) and EarthLink Inc. (ELNK) are teaming up to build a $15 million Wi-Fi network across San Francisco, and their proposal is entering final negotiations. EarthLink's faster offering would cost $20 per month, while Google would provide a slower, free service financed by advertising. St. Cloud launched the network on a trial basis in May 2004 in a new division of town to help give businesses an incentive to relocate. After further exploring the benefits, officials decided to expand it citywide. Project supporters say increased efficiency in city government will cover the network's $2.6 million buildout and estimated $400,000 annual operating expense. For example, phones that use the Wi-Fi network will allow it to cut cell-phone bills for police and city workers. The city can avoid adding 10 more building inspectors because the network will existing employees to enter and access data onsite instead of driving back to the office. The network also could keep the estimated $450 that St. Cloud households now spend each year on high-speed access in the local economy. As of last week, nearly 3,500 users had registered for the network, logging 176,189 total hours of use. St. Cloud contracted with Hewlett-Packard Co. to build the project and provide customer support. HP is working with the city and its partners to optimize the solution and install additional access points to help improve signal strength in isolated areas of the city, the company said in a statement. So far, there have been plenty of calls from frustrated residents. Some can see receivers from their homes and still can't sign on - even on the porch. Others have tried to connect countless times. Still, HP said that there were only 842 help-line calls out of more than 50,000 user sessions in the first 45 days of service. At first, a desktop computer in Lusardi's house could use the Wi-Fi network with no problem, but his laptop would only work outdoors. Even then it was too slow and unreliable, so he kept his $20 per month Sprint DSL service. Now the desktop doesn't even work, and he's completely abandoned the idea of dropping his pay service and using the network. It's just total frustration, Lusardi said. I'm going to stay with the DSL and just forget it, because I don't think it's going to work. Very few people are going to use it,
[nycwireless] Fw: Congress is selling out the Internet
MoveOn.org launches Net Neutraility's call to action... - Forwarded Message From: Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org Civic Action To: Rob Kelley Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:03:39 PM Subject: Congress is selling out the Internet Google, Amazon, MoveOn. All these entities are fighting back as Congress tries to pass a law giving a few corporations the power to end the free and open Internet as we know it. Tell Congress to preserve the free and open Internet today. Click Here Dear MoveOn member, Do you buy books online, use Google, or download to an Ipod? These activities, plus MoveOn's online organizing ability, will be hurt if Congress passes a radical law that gives giant corporations more control over the Internet. Internet providers like ATT and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment. Net Neutrality prevents ATT from choosing which websites open most easily for you based on which site pays ATT more. Amazon.com doesn't have to outbid Barnes Noble for the right to work more properly on your computer. If Net Neutrality is gutted, MoveOn either pays protection money to dominant Internet providers or risks that online activism tools don't work for members. Amazon and Google either pay protection money or risk that their websites process slowly on your computer. That why these high-tech pioneers are joining the fight to protect Network Neutrality1—and you can do your part today. The free and open Internet is under seige—can you sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network Neutrality? Click here: http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7355-2870923-p.EtH.bcK4rYn1g2cvJDrgt=4 Then, please forward this to 3 friends. Protecting the free and open Internet is fundamental—it affects everything. When you sign this petition, you'll be kept informed of the next steps we can take to keep the heat on Congress. Votes begin in a House committee next week. MoveOn has already seen what happens when the Internet's gatekeepers get too much control. Just last week, AOL blocked any email mentioning a coalition that MoveOn is a part of, which opposes AOL's proposed email tax.2 And last year, Canada's version of ATT—Telus—blocked their Internet customers from visiting a website sympathetic to workers with whom Telus was negotiating.3 Politicians don't think we are paying attention to this issue. Many of them take campaign checks from big telecom companies and are on the verge of selling out to people like ATT's CEO, who openly says, The internet can't be free.4 Together, we can let Congress know we are paying attention. We can make sure they listen to our voices and the voices of people like Vint Cerf, a father of the Internet and Google's Chief Internet Evangelist, who recently wrote this to Congress in support of preserving Network Neutrality: My fear is that, as written, this bill would do great damage to the Internet as we know it. Enshrining a rule that broadly permits network operators to discriminate in favor of certain kinds of services and to potentially interfere with others would place broadband operators in control of online activity...Telephone companies cannot tell consumers who they can call; network operators should not dictate what people can do online.4 The essence of the Internet is at risk—can you sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network Neutrality? Click here: http://www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7355-2870923-p.EtH.bcK4rYn1g2cvJDrgt=5 Please forward to 3 others who care about this issue. Thanks for all you do. –Eli Pariser, Adam Green, Noah T. Winer, and the MoveOn.org Civic Action team Thursday, April 20th, 2006 P.S. If Congress abandons Network Neutrality, who will be affected? Advocacy groups like MoveOn—Political organizing could be slowed by a handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups to pay protection money for their websites and online features to work correctly. Nonprofits—A charity's website could open at snail-speed, and online contributions could grind to a halt, if nonprofits can't pay dominant Internet providers for access to the fast lane of Internet service. Google users—Another search engine could pay dominant Internet providers like ATT to guarantee the competing search engine opens faster than Google on your computer. Innovators with the next big idea—Startups and entrepreneurs will be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay Internet providers for dominant placing on the Web. The little guy will be left in the slow lane with inferior Internet service, unable to compete. Ipod listeners—A company like Comcast could slow access to iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that it owned. Online purchasers—Companies could pay Internet providers to guarantee their online sales process faster than
[nycwireless] Linksys Skype phone
I have to admit up until now I haven't gotten the big idea about Skype phones. But after looking at the linksys ad I sorta get it. Why sit tied to your computer when you're on the phone when you can walk around with a handset? http://www1.linksys.com/international/product.asp?coid=6ipid=821 Then again, I myself would prefer a converged device like say, an HTC Universal: [http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/02/hands-on-with-the-htc-universal/ ] P.S. It doesn't seem to be using the wifi 2.4 Gigahertz band. The spec sheet says 1920-1930MHz. I have to admit I don't know my phone stuff. Is that normal? -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Cre8asite: Google's 3 Wireless Advertising Patent Applications
Google has submitted patents around advertising through access points. Um, is any of this patentable? I mean, right now wifidogs target a user with the hotspot owners ads via the splash page. Discussion here: http://www.cre8asiteforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=35323 I don't get it. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Nation: Google's Wi-Fi Privacy Ploy
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0325-23.htm From the good folks at Common Dreams here's some difficult stuff to chew on... In San Francisco, Google may be bargain[ing] away users' privacy for a trickle of Internet connectivity, according to a speaker for the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC). Individuals' privacy is worth more than a 300K download speed. Sascha also gets quoted. I'm not sure what to think. Users should be able to be anonymous and pseudonymous. I don't like the idea of being distracted by marketing everywhere I go. But at the same time, separate from commerce, building community ALSO requires the user to give us some information. How does a hotspot owner know if a user has been to his hotspot before? How can he personalize a portal if he can't identify the user? Should a hotspot be just a dumb pipe? I think there's far more potential in a Dodgeball or LinkedIn type network. Hmmm, what is the proper, progressive, do no evil way to proceed? Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Mobile-izing! Weeklong Cell Phone Shoot-Out at 347 W 16 St (9th Ave)
from http://wikiStreets.com/ (our new name!) --- If you saw [http://wikistreets.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=126|today's article ] [http://wikistreets.com/tiki-read_article.php?mode=mobilearticleId=126|(mobile) ], you know something shady's going on in the shadow of proud Google's NY offices. A landlord is apparently using a suspicious fire as an excuse to sell a rent-stabilized building as vacant and free-market while the tenants are displaced. And he's using Craiglist to do it. We don't like it, we expect you don't like it, and our cellphones have cameras... __Let's turn the camera's eye on 347 W 16 St.__ Your mission, mobile user, is to go to 347 W 16 St, take a picture of the building with your cellphone, and email it to us at: !!!::[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]:: (10011.info is the same as wikiStreets, but it's easier to type into a cellphone.) Each photo we get we'll upload and post to [http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/| Flickr ] with a unique tag. The goal is 100 pics by this Friday, March 31st. We'll be showing our support for the tenants and highlighting this building as a battleground in the war for a culturally rich, economically diverse neighborhood. Rob P.S. PDAs, Laptops, and crazy Linux-modded beasts are also welcome! -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Community: Stop using Broadband
My wife says ubiquitous doesn't work in a slogan--imagine trying to get a crowd to shout it at a rally... :) Latest version: What do we want in the Internet? Fast. Affordable. Open. EVERYWHERE. --- Rob Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubiquitous Affordable High-Speed Internet with Amenity Wifi - quite a mouthful. How about Fight for your Internet: Fast. Ubiquitous. Affordable. Open. --- Dana Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: posted at http://www.wirelesscommunity.info/2006/03/15/stop-using- broadband/ Stop using Broadband No, I don't mean that you should cancel your high-speed internet connection. What I mean is: Stop using the term broadband. I think that we need to change how we argue our points against the teleco and cable monopolies. You see, Broadband isn't the internet. Its just a way to get access to the internet. Most other countries understand this, but in the USA, we're so blinded by the marketing and PR of our Telco and Cable companies, that instead of pushing for high-speed access to the internet, something that should be available to everyone (you should especially know this if you read this blog!), we're talking about Universal Broadband. Universal Broadband has a great ring to it. But its wrong. Broadband is a marketing term that has been co-opted by Telco and Cable companies to mean whatever high-speed network *they* provide. And this is where things get confused. We're starting to see legislation that promotes Universal Broadband, which is good in theory. But when we phrase it like that, we're implicitly promoting certain ways to get high-speed internet access. In effect, we're using legislation and our own PR efforts to market for the type of crappy, slow, restricted internet access that our Telco and Cable companies offer. *Instead, we should be pushing for and talking about High-speed Internet, high-speed connections to that cloud of services and content that we're all providing for each other, in whatever form makes sense to you, the end user.* In many cases, it will be broadband dsl and broadband cablemodem service. But it might also me your local municipal or private Wi-Fi network, or satellite-based service. Or something we haven't thought of yet. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Wireless Community: Stop using Broadband
Ubiquitous Affordable High-Speed Internet with Amenity Wifi - quite a mouthful. How about Fight for your Internet: Fast. Ubiquitous. Affordable. Open. --- Dana Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: posted at http://www.wirelesscommunity.info/2006/03/15/stop-using- broadband/ Stop using Broadband No, I don't mean that you should cancel your high-speed internet connection. What I mean is: Stop using the term broadband. I think that we need to change how we argue our points against the teleco and cable monopolies. You see, Broadband isn't the internet. Its just a way to get access to the internet. Most other countries understand this, but in the USA, we're so blinded by the marketing and PR of our Telco and Cable companies, that instead of pushing for high-speed access to the internet, something that should be available to everyone (you should especially know this if you read this blog!), we're talking about Universal Broadband. Universal Broadband has a great ring to it. But its wrong. Broadband is a marketing term that has been co-opted by Telco and Cable companies to mean whatever high-speed network *they* provide. And this is where things get confused. We're starting to see legislation that promotes Universal Broadband, which is good in theory. But when we phrase it like that, we're implicitly promoting certain ways to get high-speed internet access. In effect, we're using legislation and our own PR efforts to market for the type of crappy, slow, restricted internet access that our Telco and Cable companies offer. *Instead, we should be pushing for and talking about High-speed Internet, high-speed connections to that cloud of services and content that we're all providing for each other, in whatever form makes sense to you, the end user.* In many cases, it will be broadband dsl and broadband cablemodem service. But it might also me your local municipal or private Wi-Fi network, or satellite-based service. Or something we haven't thought of yet. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Fwd: A better idea for Net neutrality
Ok, I'll call it. Astroturf! For those who don't know, Policy Analyst Randolph May is actually with the Progress and Freedom Foundation, a well-known astroturf group (looks like grassroots but really funded by the telcos): [http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Progress_and_Freedom_Foundation ] Jim, this is just more of the same disingenuous stuff we've seen before. Are you paid to post this stuff to the board? Because the articles neither align with NYCwireless's mission nor any savvy person's common sense. Rob --- Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a thought provoking article from CNET on the so-called net neutrality proposals. Jim A better idea for Net neutrality By Randolph J. May Policy analyst Randolph J. May says the time is right for advocates to step back from the precipice. http://news.com.com/A+better+idea+for+Net+neutrality/2010-1028_3-6048882.html?tag=sas.email Read all technology news from this week: http://www.news.com/thisweeksheadlines/ Copyright 2005 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved. CNET Networks, Inc. 235 Second Street San Francisco, CA 94105 U.S.A. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Fwd: Multichannel News - Analysts Question Bell Investments
Again, disingenuous. Fiber to the Home, aka the Broadband Scandal, used taxpayer dollars as its funding. So the telco's say now they may not get enough profits from the subsidy? The dream of fiber wasn't corporate profit. It was about making the US competitive in the new millennium. It was about consumers paying for and getting the infrastructure they needed. And we still haven't gotten all we paid for. What have we paid for? Fast. Ubiquitous. Affordable. Open. Rob --- Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another good one on the wisdom of the telcos on-going FTTH investments, the ROI cable is getting onthe $90 billion they have already invested,and the possible effects net neutrality could have on them. Thought provoking. Jim Analysts Question Bell Investments Read the full article at: http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6316081.html?display=Breaking+Newsreferral=SUPP Analysts Question Bell Investments By Ted Hearn 3/14/2006 7:54:00 PMWall Street analysts told a Senate committee Tuesday that the billions of dollars being spent by ATT Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc. to compete with cable might not produce a profit. There is a high degree of skepticism that the substantial investment underway at the [phone companies] to deliver broadband networks to the home will deliver a satisfactory return on the incremental investment, said Luke Szymczak, vice president of JPMorgan Asset Management. ATT and Verizon are installing high-capacity fiber lines to rapidly deliver voice, video and data in a high-stakes battle with cable. The costs of these networks are far beyond what the returns of the new services can provide, said Craig Moffett, VP and senior analyst of U.S. cable and satellite broadcasting at Sanford C. Bernstein Co. The two analysts appeared before the Senate Commerce Committee, which is expected to vote on a bill next month that would ease phone-company entry into cable markets and perhaps include network-neutrality safeguards. The battle between cable and the phone giants has put sharp pressure on the stocks of both industries. Aryeh Bourkoff, managing director at UBS Warburg LLC, expressed concern about the regulatory climate facing cable after the industry invested more than $90 billion on network upgrades to roll out digital TV and high-speed-Internet access. He referred to possible network-neutrality and a la carte programming mandates, as well as less burdensome franchising requirements on phone companies, as negatives for cable. As media consumption over the Internet develops at a rapid pace, I believe it is too early to introduce regulation on key issues such as a la carte pricing and packaging and on net neutrality, as the market is still in its early stages, Bourkoff said. Moffett, an opponent of network-neutrality mandates by government, warned that if network owners were barred from creating a fast lane on the Internet to generate more revenue to cover capital expenditures, they would have to recover much, if not all, of their cost from subscribers, whose monthly bills would likely rise substantially. Mandated net neutrality would further sour Wall Streets taste for broadband-infrastructure investments, making it increasingly difficult to sustain necessary capital returns, and it would likely mean that consumers alone would be required to foot the entire bill for whatever network investments do get made, Moffett said. Investors dislike policy upheavals in Washington that distract them from focusing on market fundamentals, said Kevin Moore, wireline telecom analyst at Wachovia Securities. We have enough to worry about in considering the rapidly changing competitive and technological environment. In other words, we want regulatory stability and certainty, Moore said. Want to see more? Become a subscriber today and sign up for Multichannel Newswire, our daily email, FREE with your paid subscription: http://www.multichannel.com/subscribe -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Details on Philly network out
So what do we mean by Municipal? Affordable Broadband. Amenity Wifi. Seems like a good slogan. Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Inexpensive PDA netstumblers?
I'm thinking it would be good to set up a half-dozen PDAs for site surveying. I'm wondering if at this point, how far you can go back in PDA history and still build a manageable netstumbler. Has anyone been down this road before? At this point, I think the specs would be: * Either have an integrated wireless card (unlikely) or support a Compact CF or SD wireless card * Support ministumber or some other AP tracking software * Cost less than $100? If this doesn't work or is too expensive, it may be a matter of coming up with some old laptops to serve the same purpose, but I'd like to use PDAs. Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] RE: re: Article: Hotspot Invaders (Unstrung)
NYCwireless has a hotspot system to meet both the advertisers objectives and the surfers demands for usability WITHOUT interstitials or multiple pop-ups. NYCwirelesss SuperNodes (aka wifidog) use a little web page module to let the user know theyre still logged in. It also includes information from the hotspot sponsor. A rotating banner ad on this page will not be so distracting, and since the user knows to keep this web module open, its more persistent than individual pop-ups. You can check out http://wifidog.org/ for more information on the software. If youre interested in setting up a NYCwireless supernode, write [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wifi Site Survey Tools, Spectrum Analyzers, etc
Network Computing has a series of reviews about WLAN tools for administrators. Some of them are expensive, but the reviews are interesting, particularly those on graphical site survey tools. They also devote a page to open-source tools (netstumbler, kismet): [http://www.networkcomputing.com/showitem.jhtml?articleID=174402549pgno=1 ] Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] The End of the Internet?
The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality... From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006] http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester The End of the Internet? by JEFF CHESTER The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online. Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are developing strategies that would track and store information on our every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing system, the scope of which could rival the National Security Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these providers would have first priority on our computer and television screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to- peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply shut out. Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online, stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling new subscription plans that would further limit the online experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads, media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or received. To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to further weaken the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital communications services as private networks, free of policy safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the Congress and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged digital retail machine. The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. Senior phone executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of ATT, told Business Week in November, Why should they be allowed to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment, and for a Google or Yahoo! or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts! The phone industry has marshaled its political allies to help win the freedom to impose this new broadband business model. At a recent conference held by the Progress and Freedom Foundation, a think tank funded by Comcast, Verizon, ATT and other media companies, there was much discussion of a plan for phone companies to impose fees on a sliding scale, charging content providers different levels of service. Price discrimination, noted PFF's resident media expert Adam Thierer, drives the market-based capitalist economy. Net Neutrality To ward off the prospect of virtual toll booths on the information highway, some new media companies and public-interest groups are calling for new federal policies requiring network neutrality on the Internet. Common Cause, Amazon, Google, Free Press, Media Access Project and Consumers Union, among others, have proposed that broadband providers would be prohibited from discriminating against all forms of digital content. For example, phone or cable companies would not be allowed to slow down competing or undesirable content. Without proactive intervention, the values and issues that we care about--civil rights, economic justice, the environment and fair elections--will be further threatened by this push for corporate control. Imagine how the next presidential election would unfold if major political advertisers could make strategic payments to Comcast so that ads from Democratic and Republican candidates were more visible and user-friendly than ads of third-party candidates with less funds. Consider what would happen if an online advertisement promoting nuclear power prominently popped up on a cable broadband page, while a competing message from an environmental group was relegated to the margins. It is
RE: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet?
Michael: The Weekly Standard? Ha, that may take awhile: The Weekly Standard magazine is considered the prime voice of Republican neoconservatives, and one of the most influential publications in Washington under the Bush Administration. [http://www.disinfopedia.com/index.php?title=Weekly_Standard ] The Network Neutrality issue represents the latest chapter in America's ongoing Broadband Scandal. We never got Fiber to the Home despite the extra charges we took on our phone bills to pay for it. Now Verizon finally comes up with its overpriced fiber product, FiOS. Bruce Kushnik puts it best: Where's the 45MB I already paid for! [http://muniwireless.com/community/1023 ] Consumers have a vested interest in making sure the telcos are brought in to account for the Broadband scandal. I remember the talk about needing to stay competitive in an information economy. Now, we're ranked 13th to 16th in the world depending on which survey you read, behind Korea, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Belgium, Italy and other nations. These days the telco is the troll under the bridge: it charges exorbitant rates to consumers for substandard service. Now it's trying to charge content providers as well. Troll under the bridge. Game plan for consumers: 1. Fight for net neutrality and against the trolls under the bridge 2. Raise awareness of US Broadband ranking in the world 3. Spotlight the Broadband Scandal and demand the telcos be brought to account for it. Rob Kelley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Stearne Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:06 PM To: Rob Kelley (yahoo) Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] The End of the Internet? Let us know when The Weekly Standard endorses Network Neutrality, until then it's not going to get any attention. Good article though. Michael On 2/7/06, Rob Kelley (yahoo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Nation gets hip to Network Neutrality... From The Nation [posted online on February 1, 2006] http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester The End of the Internet? by JEFF CHESTER The nation's largest telephone and cable companies are crafting an alarming set of strategies that would transform the free, open and nondiscriminatory Internet of today to a privately run and branded service that would charge a fee for virtually everything we do online. Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are developing strategies that would track and store information on our every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing system, the scope of which could rival the National Security Agency. According to white papers now being circulated in the cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these providers would have first priority on our computer and television screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to- peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply shut out. Under the plans they are considering, all of us--from content providers to individual users--would pay more to surf online, stream videos or even send e-mail. Industry planners are mulling new subscription plans that would further limit the online experience, establishing platinum, gold and silver levels of Internet access that would set limits on the number of downloads, media streams or even e-mail messages that could be sent or received. To make this pay-to-play vision a reality, phone and cable lobbyists are now engaged in a political campaign to further weaken the nation's communications policy laws. They want the federal government to permit them to operate Internet and other digital communications services as private networks, free of policy safeguards or governmental oversight. Indeed, both the Congress and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are considering proposals that will have far-reaching impact on the Internet's future. Ten years after passage of the ill-advised Telecommunications Act of 1996, telephone and cable companies are using the same political snake oil to convince compromised or clueless lawmakers to subvert the Internet into a turbo-charged digital retail machine. The telephone industry has been somewhat more candid than the cable industry about its strategy for the Internet's future. Senior phone executives have publicly discussed plans to begin imposing a new scheme for the delivery of Internet content, especially from major Internet content companies. As Ed Whitacre, chairman and CEO of ATT, told Business Week in November, Why should they be allowed to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment, and for a Google or Yahoo
[nycwireless] Wifi Site Survey Tools, Spectrum Analyzers, etc
Network Computing has a series of reviews about WLAN tools for administrators. Some of them are expensive, but the reviews are interesting, particularly those on graphical site survey tools. They also devote a page to open-source tools (netstumbler, kismet): [http://www.networkcomputing.com/showitem.jhtml?articleID=174402549pgno=1 ] Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Panix supports Network Neutrality
Way to go Panix.com!! I see Panix advertises a Home Office DSL package -- corporate speeds at residential prices. 6.0Mbps/768kbps, $79.99/month (1 yr commitment) Worth checking out... Rob --- Dustin Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NYers looking for a broadband provider that will allow access to content and applications of their choosing now have two providers to choose from. I am very excited to report that the oldest ISP in NYC Panix.com supports Network Neutrality. Please reward these companies for supporting fair and open access by considering them for your home and business Internet needs. For a full list of fair and open ISPs: http://www.nycwireless.net/BroadbandChallengeScoreCard More about the NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge http://www.nycwireless.net/BroadbandChallenge . Please contact your ISP about supporting Network Neutrality. A great way to speak directly to your ISP in a public setting is to use the forums on http://www.dslreports.com/forums/25 . I am currently lobbying Speakeasy my DSL provider to support our challenge. If you are also using Speakeasy and would like to have them publicly support Network Neutrality add your voice to my thread on the SE forum http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1526973 . - Dustin - -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] EYEBEAM hosts Troika Ranch -- Final NYC Performances
Up until this Saturday, Jan 28, dance company Troika Ranch is presenting its digital dance theater at EYEBEAM in Chelsea. The production uses wireless technology and custom software to let dancers use their movements to manipulate the visuals and the score of the piece. My wife has worked with Troika Ranch for years and their productions are always interesting. EYEBEAM is also a cool space to check out. ^Using a single camera pointed at the stage, free software called EyesWeb creates a 12-point 'skeleton' that follows the shapes of the dancers' bodies. The position and trajectory of each point is passed to Isadora. . . . This software designed by Coniglio then generates visuals and manipulates aspects of the sonic score by interpreting the movements of the skeleton. . . .^ --Village Voice At earlier shows this week, they've had a test camera in the lobby so you yourself can try out the system. Twenty bucks at the door, show starts at 8:00 o'clock. See below for links to reviews of the show and a message from Mark Coniglio. Enjoy! RobKelley REVIEWS: Village Voice: [http://www.villagevoice.com/dance/0604,jowitt,71878,14.html ] New Jersey Star Ledger: [http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1137736200211910.xml?starledger?ethcoll=1 ] NYTheater.com: [http://www.nytheatre.com/nytheatre/the_list.htm ] Subject: Troika Ranch - 16 [R]evolutions - Final NYC Performances Only three performances remain for the world premiere of Troika Ranch's 16 [R]evolutions in New York City -- January 25, 27 28 at 8PM at Eyebeam, 540 W 21st (between 10th and 11th Avenues) If you've already joined us for a what the Village Voice calls a magically beautiful universe, thank you! If not, please join us before the run is over if you are in the area. You can make a reservation online at http://www.troikaranch.org/tickets We've included links to reviews below, as well as all the details about location and performance times. Best Wishes, Mark Coniglio Dawn Stoppiello Artistic Directors Troika Ranch 321 Graham Ave. #4R Brooklyn, NY 11211 16 [R]EVOLUTIONS - WORLD PREMIERE January 18-25, 27-28, 2006 - 8PM (No performance January 26) EYEBEAM Art Technology Center 540 West 21st Street (between 10th and 11th Avenues) New York, NY, USA Tickets: $20 at the door Online reservations: http://www.troikaranch.org/tickets - __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Tiny Wifi Receiver?
Ive been thinking about buses and wifi. Bus riders want to know where the bus is. If there were an access point at each bus stop, the bus could simply ping each bus stop. The bus stops AP is mapped to a location, so the system would then know the last bus stop the bus left and be able to tell the user. But the bus needs something to ping with... This requires a device I havent seen beforea wifi signaler/receiver. Its like a GPS Receiver but instead its a Wifi Receiver. Im imagining a very small device running on a watch battery that does nothing but connect to a network and ping a central server. If the access point is associated with a physical location, its as good as GPS (or close. Remember, GPS doesnt work so well with skyscrapers all around). It has the following configuration settings: 1. the name of the signaler (Bus ) 2. a list of access points to try to connect to in order 3. a ping command This is not a signal detector and its not a USB client. Its just a little device that's constantly looking for networks to connect to and pinging outward. Does such a device exist now? Or is there a wifi signal finder that is built with hackable firmware to fulfill such a purpose? Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] www.nycwireless.net down, being looked at
Hi all: www.nycwireless.net is currently inaccessible. A database connection problem has surfaced. We're investigating the problem and will update the group as more news happens. Thanks, Rob Kelley __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] City 2.0, Wifi Lofts, and the wireless community center
DailyWireless riffs off a WifiNetNews post about a software company making arrangements with a Seattle coffeehouse owner to make the place their office: [http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsnew_topic=16 ] He likens it to his Wifi Loft concept, like writer's space Paragraph in Manhattan: [http://dailywireless.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=4703 ] Seems to me these wireless community centers have NYC written all over them. When I first read about the writers space Paragraph [http://paragraphny.com], I remembered alt.coffee's back room and how it would make an excellent informal software development area. The communal shared space idea looks more attractive than the typical antiseptic rented office space you see advertised around town. Your coffeeshop has character, your office should too. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
Jim: NYCwireless acts as New York City consumers' advocate in the municipal wireless debates. In that role, it has a responsibility to point out astroturf and FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) articles when it sees them. Outfits like PFF and Heartland Institute get their funding from corporations who are against any municipal wireless plan that the corporation cannot control. Rob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD --- Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dana, Perhjaps you should not jump to conclusions. I received thatr article from CNET News that mornign. It looked interesting. I sent and email that said here is an interesting article. I still believe it is interesting. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Spiegel Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband Jim, Perhaps you should do a bit more research. The PFF is well known to rely on half-truths and misrepresentations of fact to support their anti-municipal agenda. Free Press has released a white paper that provides the whole story, and if you look at government broadband initiatives, they are overwhelmingly cost saving and beneficial to local communities. http://www.freepress.net/docs/mb_white_paper.pdf Also, PFF's supporters include (and are primarily) every incumbent telecom and cable company: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html While this isn't a problem in and of itself, it should make you wonder where their views and motivations are coming from. Dana Spiegel Executive Director NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.NYCwireless.net +1 917 402 0422 Read the Wireless Community blog: http://www.wirelesscommunity.info On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Jim Henry wrote: Here's an interesting study on government going into the telecom business. http://www.pff.org/issues-pubs/pops/pop11.3govtownership.pdf Jim -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/ nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Governement run telecom and broadband
Sourcewatch.org (formerly Disinfopedia.org) gives a better background on PFF: * Lists as supporters BellSouth, EchoStar Communications Corporation, Sprint, Philip Morris, and RJ Reynolds * Was the thinktank behind Newt Gingrich's project to redesign the FDA (the leader of Gingrich's PAC is on the board) * Wrote several articles critical of open-source software while listing Microsoft as a supporter [http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Progress_and_Freedom_Foundation ] But why is this point important for a tech board? Articles from the Progress Freedom Foundation are an example of disinformation. Disinformation works on a rational level (offering up strawman arguments and dubious analyses) in order to build noise into a discussion. The discussion's signal-to-noise ratio becomes so bad very little meaningful information makes it through. Check the latest NYCw front page article for how even the FCC has gotten confused about the fact of natural monopoly (water, electricity, cabling): [http://nycwireless.net/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=56 ] Cheers, Rob P.S. Want to become savvier about where your media comes from? Check SourceWatch.org. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read!
Jim: Maybe in airpower's home of Lansdowne, PA, people think taxation is theft (though I doubt it). Here in NYC, as in NYCwireless, people put up with some of the highest income tax rates in the country. Why? Because we believe in the city, the urban environment, and communal services. Tax-ranting is really out of place. If you want low taxes, try Alaska. If we want to have community access in NYC, we need to focus on the real value it can provide as a communal service and figure out how to make it happen. Rob --- Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lars, I'm OK with street lights and quite a bit more, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. I certainly don't want my tax dollars paying for soeone else's water, electricity, gas, medicine, education, healthcare, etc. As to the cost of your broadband connection, I'd be willing to bet you are not counting the taxes you and your fellow subjects pay for that municipal fiber network as part of that $40/month. Beyond that, I'd also bet you pay a much larger percentage of your income in taxes than I, though mine are already far too high. Taxation is theft and thus immoral. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Aronsson Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:46 AM To: 'nycwireless' Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! Jim Henry wrote: Just curious, does anyone know if in these countries where broadband is cheaper and more prevalent than the U.S., is it really cheaper or is it subsidized by the government? I honestly don't know the answer. I would like it to be cheaper here also and more widespread, but not at the expense of free enterprise. If it takes socialism to accomplish this, I don't want it. I heard that socialism has gone away now that cialis is caught in the spam filters. Seriously, though, I have yet to see street lights operated on a pay-per-view commercial basis. Somebody paid once-and-for-all to pave and light the streets, and it could be tax money. Does that make it socialism? In Sweden I pay 320 SEK/mo ($40) for 10 Mbit/s. This is possible because I live in a coop apartment building, where every apartment is wired by an ISP, and the in-house switched LAN is connected to a municipal fiber in the basement. This ISP (www.bredband.com) was founded with venture capital during the dotcom boom and got a contract with the largest national association of apartment coops (www.hsb.se). Through this contract, apartment coops that are members have a very streamlined procedure for signing up to get their apartment buildings wired. This spring, the ISP is introducing a reduced price 2 Mbit/s offering (still over CAT-5 twisted pair ethernet, so I guess it is really 10 Mbit/s but bandwidth limited) and at the same time my line is upgraded to 100 Mbit/s at unchanged price. As far as I know, there is no direct government subsidy, but a lot of factors work together: * Compared to the U.S., more people here live in apartments. People living in private homes cannot get broadband as cheap, simply because wiring a dozen apartments in one building is a lot cheaper than wiring a dozen private homes. * Coops is a very common form of apartment ownership in Sweden since the 1930s, and the national associations work pretty well. The nationwide template contract made it easier for a lot of small coops to sign up, who don't have the technical insights to do their own negotiations. * The dotcom boom provided the venture capital for this broadband-only ISP. You could call this subsidized by stupid investors. I guess the stock price has fallen, but at least this company is still around. * The old national telco is not involved at all in this solution. * The ISP rents dark fiber from the municipal utility between my building and the ISP's facility in this town. The municipal water, sewer, electricity, and heating utility is operated as a whole-owned corporation (www.tekniskaverken.se) and I don't know exactly how they have financed the build-out of the municipal fiber network. I guess most of these conditions could also apply to New York City, more than to rural or suburban America. -- Lars Aronsson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release Date: 1/5/2006 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe:
Re: Re: [nycwireless] was: EVDO, rentable EVDO boxes
actually you __should__ be concerned about coverage indoors. At a tech conference at the Egg in Albany we could not get cell phone coverage inside the hall. people who knew brought cheap motorola walkie talkies to at least keep in touch with their team. btw, I wouldnt be surprised if some of those union workers werent nycwireless readers themselves. Cable pullers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but...well, therell still be cable to pull, but you get the idea. Seriously, check every bit of the venues offerings. * will the cell phone work in the venue * will the power they offer be enough foryour lights, servers, and toys? how far before the show can you come in to setup and test? * If you take their connection, will you give you a static or dynamic address? this can be important for keeping a connection to your office servers. ** Are they blocking any ports? ** Is there throttling or asynchronous uptimes and downtimes? ** whos the contact if something goes down (this can be really frustrating--show organizer or venue?) cheers, rob --- sent from treo650 and yeah, ssh is great on the treo. __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Engadget's Treo 650 tips and tricks
Dustin's comment about using SSH on a Treo reminded me. Last month Engadget had this great post. It was just one post and it was easy to miss, but there are 140-odd comments where Treo users share their must-have software and shortcuts. [http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/28/treo-650-tips-and-tricks/#comments ] My faves: * KeyCaps650 modifies the keypads responses to be more like a Blackberry (holding a key shifts the character to caps) * PSSH lets you do SSH Rob __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: Re: [nycwireless] was: EVDO, rentable EVDO boxes
actually you __should__ be concerned about coverage indoors. At a tech conference at the Egg in Albany we could not get cell phone coverage inside the hall. people who knew brought cheap motorola walkie talkies to at least keep in touch with their team. btw, I wouldnt be surprised if some of those union workers werent nycwireless readers themselves. Cable pullers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but...well, therell still be cable to pull, but you get the idea. Seriously, check every bit of the venues offerings. * will the cell phone work in the venue * will the power they offer be enough foryour lights, servers, and toys? how far before the show can you come in to setup and test? * If you take their connection, will you give you a static or dynamic address? this can be important for keeping a connection to your office servers. ** Are they blocking any ports? ** Is there throttling or asynchronous uptimes and downtimes? ** whos the contact if something goes down (this can be really frustrating--show organizer or venue?) cheers, rob --- sent from treo650 and yeah, ssh is great on the treo. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wifi Positioning Systems
We've heard that GPS doesn't work well in the city (too many skyscrapers, not enough open sky). Wifi-based location tracking seems to be an alternative worth considering. The idea is to have the device identify (but not necessarily connect) to surrounding access points and then determine its location by triangulation. A little research has shown a couple wifi efforts. But before checking the options, it'd be wise to to formulate a couple requirements from the savvy wireless consumer's point of view: 1. Open infrastructure, open protocol and open source (no proprietary funniness) 2. 802.11 but not platform-specific (windows, linux, macintosh) 3. Able to have API to build services on top of it (Wifi positioning says I'm here) 4. User privacy (user chooses who gets their location information on a case by case basis) 5. AP owner privacy (respect owner's wishes) So what do we have? A quick ''informal'' Google search reveals two wide area options (speak up if you know of others): ''SkyHook Wireless'' [http://skyhookwireless.com/ ] This Boston firm has press releases all over the place (financing, contracts, awards). They used to be QuarterScope. They use a client software on PocketPC and Windows Mobile, with something coming out for Palm later. They also point to theft identification of stolen laptops. They claim to have mapped a network on 1.5 million access points. How? Like this: [http://www.skyhookwireless.com/scanning/upload.php ] ''HereCast'' [http://www.herecast.com/ ] By comparison, check out HereCast. This is a developer community working to provide an open infrastructure for wifi positioning. It is not a hotspot directory, but simply a directory of access point location. The directory is made up by submission. --- It's interesting to see how this space will develop. It seems any municipal wifi would do well to consider having a location-based service of its own. For example, if Hoboken deployed Access Points on each lamp post, the city could then provide simple wifi positioning information from them. Rob @@@ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Network Neutrality: Send a letter!
Send a letter to your ISP saying you want to know where THEY stand on Network Neutraility. You can customize this one. --- Dear (ISP): I am very concerned about my service. In a recent BusinessWeek article, SBC CEO Edward Whitacre made some very provocative statements regarding whether he will allow content from Internet companies without some sort of compensation. One commentator has noted this is well beyond blocking some ports...to actually blocking out websites and services unless they first pay SBC a fee. [http://techdirt.com/articles/20051031/0354228_F.shtml ] This is not the way the Internet is supposed to work. It is essential to keep the Internet as an open innovation platform and participatory communications commons for the long-term benefit of society. In response to SBC, NYCwireless is challenging every company that provides broadband services in NYC to make a public statement supporting the FCC's Four Network Neutrality principles [http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-151A1.pdf ] as outlinedbelow: 1. Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice; 2. Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement; 3. Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network; and 4. Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers. I agree with these principles and they will play a major part in my choice of an ISP. Please let me know your position on Network Neutrality. NYCwireless suggests providers use the following URL to publicize their policy: http://YourISPWebsite/neutral.html. You can and should also go on record with the NYCwireless campaign by emailing the policy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information can be found here: [http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php?page=BroadbandChallenge ] Please let me know by email your position. Thank you, (YOUR NAME) Business week article: [http://www.businessweek.com/@@n34h*IUQu7KtOwgA/magazine/content/05_45/b3958092.htm ] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Google: Mobile Product Search, please!
From [http://sidewayzen.com ]: Froogle ([Froogle.com ]) is Google's product search. Give it a search term, and it'll return a list of stores and prices. Cool, but it's not part of the [http://google.com/palm |mobile Google] you can use from your PDA or smartphone. Google needs to make it easy to do product comparison in the store itself. Here's the first use case at Barnes and Noble: 1. I see a big fat computer book. It's expensive. 2. I whip out my phone and go to froogle.com. It shows me a simple search box and a radio button for my saved filters--I've created a custom search to just do BN.com, Amazon.com, and Half.com. 3. I enter the ISBN of the book. 4. Froogle gives me a simple screen showing me the prices at each. 5. Based on the info, I suck it up and buy the book there. Let's get cooler... Second use case: There's an out-of-print children's book called JellyBeans for Breakfast. I want to know where I can find this book for my daughter. I whip out the phone: 1. I go to froogle.com 2. I type in Jellybeans for Breakfast, then I select based on location and enter 10011 3. Froogle shows a list of stores near me that have this out-of-print book. 4. I click the phone number of the store and the phone calls to confirm. As far as I know, neither of these features exist now, but not even the basic Froogle interface exists for mobile users. Please Google, help us here! -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] WifiDog presentation uploaded
The simple 9-page WifiDog presentation from this month's NYCwireless meeting is now on the website: [http://nycwireless.net/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?galleryId=6 ] It includes: * What is WifiDog? * What? * Client and Auth Server relationship * HotSpot Mapping and Monitoring * Sample Login Page * Sample Splash Only Page * Sample Reporting * Admin Web Interface * Links Rob Kelley -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: kyocera kpc650 v650 linux driver
Robert: Good for you that it works, but my firm and I had nothing to do with the work. This is the first I'm hearing of it. Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wifidog Rolls Out -- with Offer!
All: Our pilot testing of the Wifidog federation is complete. Wifidog is hotspot management software from Ile Sans Fil [ilesansfil.org] that runs on a standard Linksys WRT54G using open source firmware. With Wifidog, we can now have a federation of nodes that have access to a central server for: * real-time monitoring of node status * managed user authentication * splash page and login page hosting * web-based content management (though we haven't quite figured it out yet!) * traffic statistics for each node (user counts, total throughput, and traffic by time of day) Our federation now looks like this: [http://auth.nycwireless.net/hotspots_map.php] Our goal is to look like this: [http://auth.ilesansfil.org/hotspots_map.php] We want YOU to upgrade to a Wifidog. If you run an NYCwireless hotspot, we want you to switch to a Wifidog unit. If you're planning to put up a New York hotspot, we want you make Wifidog part of your setup. For more info on flashing a Linksys so it can run Wifidog, please see: 1. Our handy checklist [http://nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php?page=WiFiDog] 2. OpenWRT's docs [http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs] 3. Ile Sans Fil's docs [http://www.ilesansfil.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wifidog] We've also set up a forum [http://nycwireless.net/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=10]. __But wait!__ We'll trade you! If you bring us a brand new plain jane Linksys WRT54G or GS, we'll give you back a preconfigured Linksys Wifidog. Write us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks and we look forward to hearing from you! Congratulations to all who have contributed so far, and to future members and users! Rob Kelley --- Sent by NYCwireless SafeMail http://www.nycwireless.net/safemail -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Earthlink Pitches Municipalities (and New York's one of them?)
from [http://wifinetnews.com/archives/005415.html|Wi-Fi Net News] --- Earthlink Pitches Municipalities, by Glenn Fleishman EarthLink knows its dial-up market is eroding and DSL is competitive as all heck: Building municipal networks for Philadelphia and others may be part of the evolution of the company. The Wall Street Journal reports that EarthLink has bid on Philadelphias network as one of 12 firms; Verizon and Comcast decided not to. Esme Vos at Muniwireless.com has the [http://www.muniwireless.com/archives/000735.html|additional intelligence] that EarthLink has been negotiating with New York City to drop their pole fee in order to bid on that potential city-wide network... --- You'll want to check that second link... -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Who's Your Public Advocate....
Andrew Rasiej is throwing down his gauntlet (I don't know if Betsy Gotbaum even has one). Rasiej has got some new ads up on his site including one specifically on Internet for New Yorkers: [http://www.advocatesforrasiej.com/2005/08/18/rasiej-goes-up-on-the-airwaves] New York ranks 41st in the country in the user of technology in the classroomTwo-thirds of all New Yorkers do not have affordable Internet service...Demand a universal wireless Internet service for all New Yorkers! Woo Hoo! And they even got a Wi-Fi petition you can sign: [http://www.advocatesforrasiej.com/wifinypetition] Where are the other candidates on this one? Stormin' Norman Siegel, what you got to say on this issue? Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Powell: Another Chairman Goes to Work for the Companies He Once Regulated
Former FCC Commish Powell gets a cushy job after his favors to Big Business: [http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0811-13.htm] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] AlwaysOnGPS?
From gpspassion.com: [http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/news.asp#news_592] With the deployment of A-GPS (Assisted GPS - technical details) somewhat in the air, here comes AlwaysOnGPS [http://http://www.alwaysongps.com/], an innovative solution that uses WiFi to assist a GPS. The concept seems simple enough, the software memorizes the position of WiFi base stations you come across as you would do for 'war-driving', but instead of just mapping them out, their position can be used later to assist the GPS in case the signal gets lost and to increase accuracy. With the limited range of WiFi, it will likely only work well in dense urban areas, but that's also where GPS signals get blocked the most. You can give it a try with the 30 day trial version and use this thread of the 'GPS and Mobile News' forums to discuss. --- What's the skinny? Is this a plausible application? Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: DSL Prime: Verizon Killing WiFi Wants people
Now cable operators deployed under different franchise agreements, so their obligations varied by municipality. Nevertheless, they built these networks under agreements to offer television programming. Internet Access was not historically covered. Now I don't know but seems to me, that since many (most?) like Manhattan, included open channels for public access that at minimum, there should be similar OPEN access on Internet offerings, esp. because these services were not envisioned in original franchise agreement. My thoughts exactly--there should be similar OPEN access. TV has public access television at the local level. This was NOT by accident. Lawmakers understood that the cable franchise was a valuable commodity, and it used that leverage to ensure a little piece of that finite property was reserved for public access. Think of it as park space in commercial Manhattan. They should be doing something similar here. Public Policy. Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: skinny on the Junxion Box?
So I've been doing a little digging around to figure out what makes the Junxion different from the Stompbox, if at all. It doesn't seem to be the software. Check out the scoop from the user manual (nice screenshots), in particular pages 39 and 40: http://www.junxion.com/pdf/Junxion%20Box%20JB-110b%20User%20Guide.pdf quote The following Open Source Software is included with the Junxion Box: __GPL and LGPL Software.__ The Junxion Box is provided with the following software licensed under the GPL and LGPL. A copy of the GNU GPL license is available from the Free Software Foundation (http://www.gnu.org). * Linux operating system version 2.4.20 * iptables from Harald Welte and others (http://www.netfilter.org) * BusyBox from Erik Andersen (http://www.busybox.net) * SPLASH from Willem de Bruijn (http://splash-snap.sourceforge.net) * PPP from Paul Mackerras (http://www.samba.org/ftp/unpacked/ppp/README) * Host AP driver from Jouni Malinen (http://hostap.epitest.fi) * Card Services for Linux from David Hinds (http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net) * WISP-Dist from Vladimir Ivaschenko (http://www.hazard.maks.net/wisp-dist) __Other Open Source Software.__ The Junxion Box is provided with the following software licensed under BSD licenses or other open source software licenses. The software and license details are available from the referenced web sites. * Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server (http://www.isc.org) * thttpd from Jef Poskanzer (http://www.acme.com) * OpenSSH from the OpenBSD Project (http://www.openssh.com) * Net-SNMP from the NET-SNMP Project (http://www.net-snmp.org) /quote Is there any significant difference here? What added value is the Junxion providing (besides a nifty box cut-out and a nice paint job). I love both units--just looking to quantify the differences. Rob skinny on the Junxion Box? Somebody pointed out this unit as a solution for offering EVDO to wifi users: http://www.junxion.com/product/ As I get it, it's a wireless modem and a wi-fi AP inside one box? Seems to me this is similar to what was done with MagicBike (plugging a wireless AP into a cell phone's Internet account). Is this something that can be homegrown with current open-source Linux software http://www.junxion.com/solution/ Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] DSL Prime: Verizon Killing WiFi Wants people
I applaud the Library analogy. In fact, I'd like to see a state legislature pass a resolution or law __affirming__ the right of local municipalities to set up low-cost wireless for their citizens. Can anyone think of a state ripe for enacting such a law or resolution? Oregon? New York? Rob -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:54:39 -0400 From: Joe Plotkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [nycwireless] DSL Prime: Verizon Killing WiFi Wants people to buy $80 EV-DO To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ; format=flowed ___ From the always astute Dave Burstein. Dave's key observation: This action is a very strong implicit argument for a municipal WiFi build, like Philadelphias, providing basic access to all at a small price or free. My concurrence: To encourage muni wifi (for free public internet access), I like to use an analogy to public libraries -- they allow those who cannot afford to buy books to read them. This does NOT harm bookstores thru lost sales -- in fact, it helps them by increasing the number of lifelong readers. More importantly, free public libraries also greatly benefit society overall, as they provide to those who may lack resources today, the opportunity to access tools they'll need for their future success. --- Joe -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Subway Entrance LED Screens use WiFi
FYI. From a press release from the Antenna manufacturer: [http://www.wifi-plus.com/pages/12/index.htm] ;:The content delivery process is all-digital and extremely fast, with the ads sent via the Internet from Clear Channel in New York to UDN's Las Vegas office. There, the advertising content is play scheduled using the Webpavement sign operating system and web-based server, edited (if necessary) by UDN's creative department and finally uploaded to individual screens via the Verizon wireless connection. We can remotely administer the system from anywhere - Las Vegas, for example - and the open architecture means we were able to customize the functionality to our specific needs, adds Williams. ;:Each screen is fitted with an omni directional WiFi-Plus Ultra-M antenna, which had proved to give the best performance on the Manhattan streets, a demanding environment because of the multiple obstacles of buildings, cars and pedestrian traffic. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Sawed-off Cantenna?
I have a technical question: Does sawing off the end of a Cantenna kill its usefulness? My assumption has been it's only the diameter of the tube that matters, not the length. Is this correct? Here's the item I'm talking about: [http://www.cantenna.com/catalogue/SCB10.html] Thanks, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Website: Forum location and formatting
Hi: As Dustin introduced last night, there's a new view of forums for NYCwireless. You can email to this list and it will appear automatically on the forum here: [http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-view_forum.php?forumId=1] HTML still is not allowed in the mailing list, but you can include wiki formatting and the website will convert it to HTML. It's a good idea to keep this formatting simple (the email distribution does not convert the formatting, and a lot of markup can make plain text hard to read. But here's the most basic stuff: __bold__(two underscores on either side) ''italics'' (two single quotes on either side) * unordered list item # ordered list item [link] (square brackets) Thanks! Rob [amazingrob.com] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] What's in a name--or a swirly Wi-Fi logo?
I don't know if it's been there for awhile, but I just noticed that the Wi-Fi alliance (the folks behind the black-and-white Wi-Fi symbol) has a Provider program [http://www.wi-fizone.org/zoneSignup.asp], complete with: 1. Legal Agreement - [http://www.wi-fizone.org/documents/Wi-Fi_Zone_License_Agreement.pdf] 2. Network Deployment Requirements Document - [http://www.wi-fizone.org/zoneDeploy.asp?TID=7] 3. Customer Service Requirements - [http://www.wi-fizone.org/zoneCustomerSupport.asp?TID=7] 4. Brand Manual - [http://www.wi-fizone.org/documents/Wi-Fi_ZONE_MarkUsageAgreement.pdf] The main benefit as far as I can tell is permission to use the logo. I like the idea of some standardized customer service benchmarks... Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Panera's has free wifi? (hoboken)
I was in Pennsylvania this past weekend, and I happened upon this place called Panera's. It was so Starbucky you'd think they stole the furniture from down the street. But unlike Starbucks their wireless was free--and unlike NYC Starbucks the place wasn't grotty from being three years in service without a good cleaning. i could imagine spending some good worktime at a Panera's. Apparently the nearest one is in Hoboken: http://www.panera-nj.com/locations.html Anyone been there? It's good to see another large chain going with free amenity wifi. Rob P.S. Here's a PR article about their wireless: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050117/175359_1.html - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] RE: nycwireless Digest, Vol 23, Issue 13
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/29/05 9:00:13 PM To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.netnycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Subject: nycwireless Digest, Vol 23, Issue 13 Send nycwireless mailing list submissions to nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of nycwireless digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: wl Questions (Berns J. Buenaobra) 2. Re: wl Questions (Michael Stearne) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:45:49 -0800 From: Berns J. Buenaobra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] wl Questions To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net,Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 May I ask this group? What was that WAP from LinkSys that was suppose to have a single provision (a reverse TNC connector?) for an external antennae? And emits 18dbm from a version 2.0 firmware? This is a lab project prototype I'm working on. Thanks, Berns B. - Original Message - From: Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: [nycwireless] wl Questions Using the wl scanresults command... I have 2 questions First, how can I tell which of the following 2 APs have a better signal or is a better choice to connect to: SSID: NETGEAR Mode: Managed RSSI: -71 dBm noise: -85 dBm Channel: 11 BSSID: 00:09:5B:85:xx:6CCapability: ESS ShortPre ShortSlot Supported Rates: [ 1(b) 2(b) 5.5(b) 11(b) 6 12 24 36 9 18 48 54 ] SSID: NETGEAR Mode: Managed RSSI: -77 dBm noise: -85 dBm Channel: 11 BSSID: 00:09:5B:85:xx:34Capability: ESS ShortPre ShortSlot Supported Rates: [ 1(b) 2(b) 5.5(b) 11(b) 6 12 24 36 9 18 48 54 ] Second, since these 2 SSIDs are the same, using the wl join command, which AP gets connected to? Is there any way to specify which AP to join by MAC? Thanks, Michael -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:02:07 -0500 From: Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] wl Questions To: Berns J. Buenaobra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:45:49 -0800, Berns J. Buenaobra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I ask this group? What was that WAP from LinkSys that was suppose to have a single provision (a reverse TNC connector?) for an external antennae? And emits 18dbm from a version 2.0 firmware? This is a lab project prototype I'm working on. It doesn't look like a standard connector but it seems you can make one and maybe buy one: http://www.kcip.com/wireless/wap11.html I am using a WRT54G. Michael Thanks, Berns B. - Original Message - From: Michael Stearne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nycwireless@lists.nycwireless.net Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: [nycwireless] wl Questions Using the wl scanresults command... I have 2 questions First, how can I tell which of the following 2 APs have a better signal or is a better choice to connect to: SSID: NETGEAR Mode: Managed RSSI: -71 dBm noise: -85 dBm Channel: 11 BSSID: 00:09:5B:85:xx:6CCapability: ESS ShortPre ShortSlot Supported Rates: [ 1(b) 2(b) 5.5(b) 11(b) 6 12 24 36 9 18 48 54 ] SSID: NETGEAR Mode: Managed RSSI: -77 dBm noise: -85 dBm Channel: 11 [Message truncated. Tap Edit-Mark for Download to get remaining portion.] -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] NC court rejects BellSouth's ploy to own all broadband
Hey hey! BellSouth lost again Tuesday in its fight to stop the city of Laurinburg and a Fayetteville company from providing high-speed Internet access in Laurinburg. http://www.ecorridors.vt.edu/news/topic/?article_id=123cat_type=topiccat_id=3 judgement here: http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2005/040145-1.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Indiana Ponders Legalizing De Facto Discrimination in Broadband Service Provision
Remember Pennsylvania? According to Fierce Wireless, Indiana Ponders Legalizing De Facto Discrimination in Broadband Service Provision. Blogger Sascha has the story and a comic strip: http://www.saschameinrath.com/?q=node/view/62 I wonder how many more chances there are going to be to knock these things down. One for each state? Should we be setting up fledgling municipal networks before the telco's lobbiests finish writing the laws for us? At least then you have a legacy network in place that people are using. Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] WA State Ferry to provide Wi-Fi to passengers over water
From: http://www.govtech.net/?pg=magazine/sup_storyid=92349magid=17issue=12:2004 Wireless Crossing December 2004 By Jessica Jones The Washington State Ferries system is testing a way to provide wireless Internet access from the dock to the ship and over the water. Serving more than eight counties in Washington state and the province of British Columbia, Canada, the Washington State Ferries (WSF) system includes 10 routes and 20 terminals served by 29 vessels. To improve the ride for the more than 75,000 Puget Sound residents commuting to work or school via ferries during the week, the WSF worked with Mobilisa and Chantry Networks to implement and test the Wireless Over Water (WOW) system, said Jim Long, director of information technology for the WSF. Our riders are, for lack of a better term, basically captive -- at least while they're on the vessel, he said. Many of our passengers arrive 20 to 30 minutes before the vessel sails. On our San Juan Islands route, our international route, some people arrive two hours early, so this would be a way for them to surf the Web and do their e-mails. In the Central Sound, Long said some vessels transport 2,600 people, many of whom are professionals, and wireless access would help them with productivity during their commute. Many professionals also live in the West Sound and commute to Seattle. In their cases, some are billable hours, so they can extend their hours -- I say they can make partner faster -- things like that, Long said. Or people like me, running an IT department here, I can take my laptop home with me, and on the boat I can deal with the administrative e-mails -- the ones I never get to. The wireless network has gone live on the M/V Klickitat, which serves the Port Townsend to Keystone route. The network will eventually be installed on three major ferry routes and is expected to serve 300 to 400 simultaneous users. Nest Egg U.S. Senator Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Mobilisa helped the WSF secure an $800,000 research and development grant. Murray serves as the highest-ranking Democrat (and is the former chair) of the Senate transportation appropriations subcommittee. Long said the grant contains two main provisos: First, the wireless network must maintain continuous connectivity shore-to-shore. Second, it must improve the ridership experience. In that little egg are things like performance, being able to prioritize, types of traffic, limiting 'hogs,' if you will -- people who try to download a 300 MB file while other people are trying to answer a 20-byte e-mail, Long said. If all this comes together and works, which it will -- which it does -- then we float an RFP out to the private sector to outfit all of our vessels, all of our terminals, all of our decks. Long said a private company will run the service, and the WSF would collect a royalty, similar to how onboard food concessions are handled. Sign Me Up The WSF wants to offer a wireless experience ubiquitous to the user to eliminate worries about which wireless ISP to subscribe to. WOW users can log on to the network so long as their PDA or laptop is outfitted with a wireless card or antenna, and they have an account with a third-party provider, such as ATT, Verizon or T-Mobile, Long said. Subscriptions to such services are readily available and typically can be paid for on a per-day or per-month basis. Cost is totally independent of the infrastructure, said Luc Roy, Chantry Networks' senior director of product management. Mobilisa can create a unique service set identifier [SSID] for every service provider -- T-Mobile, ATT Wireless, Verizon. It also has unique administrative domains for each of these SSIDs, he continued. We can actually work with T-Mobile's Web site where, if you were a wired user, you just enter your name and password; and if you don't [have an account], you can sign up for one. Actual cost also boils down to the ISPs and the payment method the person chooses, Long said. If they choose a monthly thing, maybe it's $19 a month; if they choose a daily thing, maybe it's $3 a day or $5 a day, he said. That's really up to the private sector to provide. An online customer survey received 2,000 responses, Long said, and other than those who said it should be free or who would pay quite a lot, most responses indicated a willingness to pay between $19 and $39 for monthly service. How It's Done There were two primary challenges, Long said -- the distance the signals would have to travel over water and maintaining signal connectivity. The system uses 802.11 radios from Proxim, and BeaconWorks routers and BeaconPoint access points from Chantry Networks, which partnered with Mobilisa and improved its software to perform a dynamic handoff from one signal to another, Long said. Imagine two overlapping circles radiating out over the water from two shore positions. A vessel on a route to a port moves between those circles as it chugs across the overlapping
[nycwireless] Re: Pennsylvania legislature gets suckered(?)
I can't comment on Philadelphia's track record as a muncipality. I do think wireless is a valuable and manageable infrastructure improvement, and it's something a municipality can implement. It seems a good use of people's taxes. I think of the example of Dennis Kucinich and Cleveland's power issue. As I understand it, Kucinich fought to keep it public. He was lambasted for it, but a recent audit showed that over the years it has saved the city a lot of money. If they turn over this game to oversized corporations, they'll never be able to oversee it or get it back. I don't think it's the same old thing, either. Each time this issue comes up with a municipality, it increases awareness. In this case, people should contact the governor and tell him: Don't sign. Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Pennsylvania legislature gets suckered(?)
Some said making all downtown Philly wireless was too ambitious (not me), but now according to muniwireless.com the Pennsylvania legislature has passed a law that prohibits its and gives the whole game to players like Verizon: As Harold Feld puts it: It looks like a public subsidy to build infrastructure, but, thanks to the statute, THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN BUY IT FROM IS VERIZON! It's on the governor's desk, awaiting his signature: http://www.muniwireless.com/archives/000509.html Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] 16 Multimedia Wi-Fi Hot Spots in 9 Major Parks in NYC
Was there any news that this concession was even available to bid on? How did this come about anyway? Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Mobility SIG
Wherever its location and name, please count me in! With Mobile Applications, Wireless, and GIS, I think New York City is one of the best testbeds out there.This city has the data, the people, the devices, and the connectivity. Perfect. R __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Handheld Designer/IA help
Hi: I'm looking for some help in designing attractive PocketPC, Palm, and WAP interfaces for my wireless site. I imagine I'll be using XSL translation or stylesheets based on user agent. Basically I want a unified look and feel. More Graphic Designer, less programmer. Does anyone specialize--or know of someone who does specialize--in developing unified frontends for multi-agent sites? Let me know. Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wanted: Cantenna?
Hi: Does anyone have a cantenna they'd be willing to sell. I'm looking for something like this: http://www.cantenna.com/ Please contact me off list. Thanks, Rob Kelley __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] Wi-Fi Meets 1930s Radio?
Now THAT is cool! The Community Media Platform (http://cmp.pursuethepulse.org/) sounds like a great idea. It'd be great if they could establish some usability for people wanting to submit music to a central jukebox (view group playlist, upload personal song, vote on submitted songs, etc.). Great link! Rob -Original Message- From: Anthony Townsend [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:15 PM To: Rob Kelley Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Wi-Fi Meets 1930s Radio? or a 1970s Boombox... http://www.bass-station.net/ On Sep 20, 2004, at 1:00 PM, Rob Kelley wrote: From the sillier/cooler/artsier side of things: Slashdot just posted an article about Analog retro chic with a link to a NY company that uses old tube radios for PC cases. http://www.facadecomputer.com/photos/ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/20/1112253tid=126tid=1 Now that's a fun way to add Wi-Fi to a coffeehouse--slip a soekris and a DSL modem inside an old portable radio and put it on the countertop. Rob For do-it-yourselfers, a link to ebay's 1930's radios: http://collectibles.listings.ebay.com/Tube-Radios_1930 -49_W0QQfromZR11QQ sacategoryZ38034QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsocolumnlayoutZ3QQsocustoverri d eZ1 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wi-Fi Meets 1930s Radio?
From the sillier/cooler/artsier side of things: Slashdot just posted an article about Analog retro chic with a link to a NY company that uses old tube radios for PC cases. http://www.facadecomputer.com/photos/ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/20/1112253tid=126tid=1 Now that's a fun way to add Wi-Fi to a coffeehouse--slip a soekris and a DSL modem inside an old portable radio and put it on the countertop. Rob For do-it-yourselfers, a link to ebay's 1930's radios: http://collectibles.listings.ebay.com/Tube-Radios_1930-49_W0QQfromZR11QQ sacategoryZ38034QQsocmdZListingItemListQQsocolumnlayoutZ3QQsocustoverrid eZ1 -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
RE: [nycwireless] SMS Text - Show FREE Hotspots?
The app would need to translate the cross streets into something like lat/long before doing location comparisons. You'd also want your database to have both street address and lat/long--or again, a way for the app to derive one from the other. It seems the smart system would be to add an SMS gateway to an internet database. BTW, A quick look at sourceforge for SMS utilities brings up PlaySMS: https://sourceforge.net/projects/playsms/ and http://playsms.sourceforge.net/web/ (Beta, but looks promising (PHP, PEAR, SQL integration, and GPL) There's also http://kannel.org/ . It claims to be both a WAP and SMS gateway; it requires a C Compiler. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Goodwin Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] SMS Text - Show FREE Hotspots? Could we design something where you SMS the cross streets to the app and it replies with a list of nearby nodes? That way we don't need the network to give up the location information. - Dustin - Jon Baer wrote: Dammit .. I just had the link to a story about how they use SMS in the UK to ping/trace the tower info from a SMS message and send back hotspots in the area .. I didnt think it was feasible here since some of that info is hidden (last time I programmed WTAI/WAP it wasn't) .. Any thoughts on that technique? - Jon -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Client Stumbling?
I'm wondering about showing users who connect to my wifi network the strength of their connection. Sure, I could just give them a link to NetStumbler and tell them to download the client, but I'm wondering. Do wireless clients send out a signal that an access point can stumble on and theoretically measure? Is there a tool out there for accessing that information? The idea is a reverse signal-to-noise graph (your client is this far from the node). Thanks, Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Boilerplate AUP?
Can anyone post a standard Wi-Fi Acceptable Use Policy for a captive portal wireless access point? Thanks! Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] RE: nycwireless Digest, Vol 18, Issue 16
I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'll look over the documentation. Thanks for the tip! Rob -Original Message- From: Dana Spiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Rob Kelley Subject: Re: nycwireless Digest, Vol 18, Issue 16 Rob, This is exactly the model that NewburyOpen.net uses. I'm working with Michael Oh to get his system/network design documented so it can be reproduced. Perhaps you can help by talking with him and helping him document and build it here in NYC? Dana Spiegel Director, NYCwireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.nycwireless.net Subject: [nycwireless] How to build a street network that can grow? From: Rob Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:31:13 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm moving a little further uptown and taking http://sidewayzen.com with me. The new place has a couple coffeeshops on either corner. I want to approach the owners about offering free wireless themselves, but it occurred to me--what if I did get both to throw up an access point? Probably some overlapping signal. Why not design a network that can scale with the block? Is there a sensible roadmap for building a base network that new access points can join? In particular: 1. Do you recommend D-Links 900-APs and then configure them as repeaters? In this case Soekris any better? 2. Does it help for each coffeeshop to have broadband accounts at the same ISP (any coordination to be had there?) 3. Would each coffee shop having its own connection to an ISP work or not? What's the architecture? Any pointers? Thanks, Rob P.S. Granted, there's the whole issue of getting a shop to put up their own AP, let alone join a network of APs. Byut it seems like overlap is becoming the norm on some corners of Manhattan, so the idea could use some discussion. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] RE: NewburyOpen.net
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[nycwireless] How to build a street network that can grow?
I'm moving a little further uptown and taking http://sidewayzen.com with me. The new place has a couple coffeeshops on either corner. I want to approach the owners about offering free wireless themselves, but it occurred to me--what if I did get both to throw up an access point? Probably some overlapping signal. Why not design a network that can scale with the block? Is there a sensible roadmap for building a base network that new access points can join? In particular: 1. Do you recommend D-Links 900-APs and then configure them as repeaters? In this case Soekris any better? 2. Does it help for each coffeeshop to have broadband accounts at the same ISP (any coordination to be had there?) 3. Would each coffee shop having its own connection to an ISP work or not? What's the architecture? Any pointers? Thanks, Rob P.S. Granted, there's the whole issue of getting a shop to put up their own AP, let alone join a network of APs. Byut it seems like overlap is becoming the norm on some corners of Manhattan, so the idea could use some discussion. -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] [App Idea] Here I Am - WiFi User Position Reporting
Hi. Here's a short idea for an app that's been bugging me for awhile. FYI for review, sharing, and comments. --- WIFI-BASED POSITION REPORTING A user submits a simple little form that sends the IP address of the local network to a system hosting a database of wireless nodes. If the IP or corresponding FQDN address matches a node in the database, the system publishes an update that says the user is at that node. The update can come as an RSS feed, or be part of a more sophisticated app. The app could filter results by location (show the users at this node only), user (show me where these users are, anywhere they are), or by area (show users in Portland). Both pieces should be tiny and modular for inclusion as a CMS module (PostNuke, etc.) or as a bit on a scripted webpage. Other more advanced--and debatable--features: * Make the sender run as an automated machine-based service pinging and sending as it finds networks (maybe under netstumbler) * Tie in the MAC address? (user has the option to assign MAC addresses to his account) * Integrate the location information into standard IM clients --- That's the idea so far. Any thoughts? Additions? Issues? Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: Of no commercial value(?)
only if its something that they can show has no commercial value (otherwise the city would get sued by the people who paid for franchises). Anthony: That's a hard one. What product of benefit to a community does not have some commercial value? Something the user couldn't afford on the open market? Something that is not currently sold in any market? Art? Can you give some general examples? Thanks, Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] How doe we preserve the good of Cometa?
This is a little rambly, but. I was sitting in a park today looking for wireless and I came across two Cometa networks. Wow, that's coverage. And they were going to spread 20,000. Wow. But they're shutting their doors. Argh. Does that mean they rip out all that equipment and shut down the line? Do all those hotspots just vanish? Argh. What a waste. There should be a way and a deal that helps these businesses continue to be a wireless hotspot. Maybe it's a goodwill gesture from Cometa's corporate investors (keep the equipment, for the good of all), maybe it's some help from a local ISP (look, you didn't need that T-1, here's a DSL line you can afford). Maybe it's also some instruction sheet from a community wireless group (yes you can manage an access point). In the big-picture, there should be some sort of transition plan that minimizes the loss. I don't see any corporate player big enough to step in to buy up these assets. So the network will just vanish. It'd be valuable to keep it going, and I wonder, more cost effective than starting anew. Thoughts? Rob -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Re: Linux on Linksys? (m0n0wall)
Spoke too soon. I seem to remember m0n0wall does not yet work with 802.11g... Sorry for the lost detail. Rob --- Rob Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NYCWireless, If anyone does want to try putting m0n0wall on a Linksys, get the WRT54GS (aka with Speedbooster). It comes with 8MB EEPROM, whereas the regular WRT54G has just 4MB (m0n0wall needs less than 5MB). Caveat emptor: I'm not saying it will work. I have no idea if you actually can put m0n0wall on a Linksys--that's what I'm asking. Has anyone done this? Here's the potential value... * Approximate price for a correctly outfitted Soekris: $300 * Approximate price for Linksys WRT54GS: $117 Let us know. Rob Specs on Router: http://docs.sveasoft.com/SV-WRT54GHardware.html Prices for WRT54GS http://reviews.cnet.com/Wireless-G_Broadband_Router_with_SpeedBooster/4505-3319_7-30825185.html m0n0wall: http://m0n0.ch/wall/ --- Rob Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Linux configuration on Linksys. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cringely says: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040527.html If you have a WRT54G, here's what you can use it for after less than an hour's work. You get all the original Linksys functions plus SSH, Wonder Shaper, L7 regexp iptables filtering, frottle, parprouted, the latest Busybox utilities, several custom modifications to DHCP and dnsmasq, a PPTP server, static DHCP address mapping, OSPF routing, external logging, as well as support for client, ad hoc, AP, and WDS wireless modes. If that last paragraph meant nothing at all to you, look at it this way: the WRT54G with Sveasoft firmware is all you need to become your cul de sac's wireless ISP. Going further, if a bunch of your friends in town had similarly configured WRT54Gs, they could seamlessly work together and put out of business your local telephone company. Huh! My main problem in the foreseeable future is overlapping independent access points. I think if people knew how to connect to a common node (Cornelia Street, etc.), they would. The problem I've seen is that while D-link will repeat for other d-links, no solution will repeat for another vendor. Could Linux enable a web of local access points using different hardware (Linksys, Netgear, D-Link, etc)? Is there a way in the software to two access points of different hardware to behave like family? Does this exist now? Rob BTW, m0n0wall (impossible-to-remember URL-- http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ ) turned out to be a very easy web-based router configuration tool and very Linksys-like. If you've used Linksys's utility, it's not a far jump to m0n0wall. I wonder if I could flash that onto my Linksys BEFWSR14. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Linux configuration on Linksys.
Cringely says: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040527.html If you have a WRT54G, here's what you can use it for after less than an hour's work. You get all the original Linksys functions plus SSH, Wonder Shaper, L7 regexp iptables filtering, frottle, parprouted, the latest Busybox utilities, several custom modifications to DHCP and dnsmasq, a PPTP server, static DHCP address mapping, OSPF routing, external logging, as well as support for client, ad hoc, AP, and WDS wireless modes. If that last paragraph meant nothing at all to you, look at it this way: the WRT54G with Sveasoft firmware is all you need to become your cul de sac's wireless ISP. Going further, if a bunch of your friends in town had similarly configured WRT54Gs, they could seamlessly work together and put out of business your local telephone company. Huh! My main problem in the foreseeable future is overlapping independent access points. I think if people knew how to connect to a common node (Cornelia Street, etc.), they would. The problem I've seen is that while D-link will repeat for other d-links, no solution will repeat for another vendor. Could Linux enable a web of local access points using different hardware (Linksys, Netgear, D-Link, etc)? Is there a way in the software to two access points of different hardware to behave like family? Does this exist now? Rob BTW, m0n0wall (impossible-to-remember URL-- http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ ) turned out to be a very easy web-based router configuration tool and very Linksys-like. If you've used Linksys's utility, it's not a far jump to m0n0wall. I wonder if I could flash that onto my Linksys BEFWSR11. __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] App Idea: A Web-based NetStumbler?
In line with providing apps that helps wireless users, I was wondering: is it possible to create some type of web-based widget that would show you the strength of the signal given your location? The idea is that when a user hit the portal, the portal webpage would show up and they could immediately see how far they were from the source. First thought was a standalone web app. But I don't know how this browser-based app would get its information (packet speed?). Does a browser have access to enough information to deduce signal strength? Would it be possible to get information from the card itself? What if there was a web-based plug-in to NetStumbler. If the user has NetStumbler installed, they can click the image and the view pulls in a simple dynamic graph. NetStumbler would feed info to the web app. Would that work? Are either of these feasible? What are the issues? Thanks for the help Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] SmartCard wireless
From the Gratuitous Technology Department... I came across this offering the other day (smart cards for Internet terminals -- wireless coming soon). http://www.txsystems.com/icafe.html But can I use the same card my building's laundry room requires? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
Re: [nycwireless] Access Point Suggestion (let them thank you)
Thanks for the reply. Not sure about Kagi, but I'll look. Honestly, my main concern was how to make money over wireless safe. Paypal _seems_ more safe than some type of credit card merchant thing. It's also pretty quick to set up. But I'm not sure about security. Expert opinion appreciated. You're right, I don't know if it's meant to be public (so I didn't post the name here). It further builds the case. If someone opens a laptop in the park outside my building, they'll see four nodes, three private and mine. Which one should they use? Well, all they have is the ESSID. So right now my ESSID is nycwireless (www.sidewayzen.com). I think that's enough to clue people in. We as community wireless folks really need to make our node stand out as open. Ideally, it'd be nice if access points could provide clients a full profile (not just an ESSID). NodeDB.com offers a profile online but you have to remember to check there (Maybe Joe's Node (Check NodeDB.com for info)). Not as simple as just the sitename, but if you don't have a website, it'll do the job. Comments welcome. Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] Wanted to buy: Soekris
Anybody have a used Soekris they're looking to offload? I'm looking for a 4521 or 4801 preferably with Orinoco card, storage card, and even the OS. Pigtail a nice plus. Must have power supply. http://www.soekris.com/net4521.htm http://www.soekris.com/net4801.htm Price range is between $150-$250, depending on item and goodies. Let me know, Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
[nycwireless] wifithankyou
Dana: This is very cool. I'm going to add it to my site. Thanks! Rob __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
