Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.com wrote: --- On Tue, 9/27/11, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com

Re: Diploma thesis: a survey about Oracle's care of the OpenOffice.org community (and not LibreOffice)

2011-09-28 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, first of all, I feel sorry, that I did forward the request to this list. Seems you feel more disturbed than than realizing the chance to help someone with his thesis. Regarding questions about Oracle: I already asked Fabian if it was not better to ask about Apache, not Oracle. He then

why can't I access this address : http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/

2011-09-28 Thread Shao Zhi Zhao
hi, why can't I access this address http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/ thanks mail:zhaos...@cn.ibm.com tel:54747 Address:2/F,Ring Bldg. No.28 Building, Zhong Guan Cun Software Park, No.8, Dong Bei Wang West Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, P.R.China

Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
Hi all, The forums not reachable, at least to me, on address http://user.services.openoffice.org Somebody knows why? Thanks, Zoltan

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:50:41 +0200 Reizinger Zoltán zreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: The forums not reachable, at least to me, on address http://user.services.openoffice.org Somebody knows why? Not reachable here either, Zoltan, for at least the last 36 hours. A posting on oooforum.org notes

Re: [build] Who does frequently builds and on wich Systems?

2011-09-28 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, I am building frequently on Windows 7 using the Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Express together with Microsoft SDK for Windows Server 2008. Best regards, Oliver. On 28.09.2011 01:15, Raphael Bircher wrote: Hi at all To ensure that the code is buildable on any System, we should have

Re: [EXT][DISCUSS] Including Groovy as a scripting language

2011-09-28 Thread Andor E
I'm working on a local copy. So far I haven't changed much code in the extension. The extender is a separate project, because it could be be used without the extension. Given time I'm planning to add a better code editor. But first I have to overcome some idiotic problems in Eclipse. Greetings

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I'd recommend supporting Windows XP and beyond. XP is officially supported by Microsoft until April 2014. I'm certainly not making any effort to maintain or test support for earlier versions. Of course, that doesn't

Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed

2011-09-28 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, on http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html it is said: quote Asking Questions Please submit questions to the Legal Affair Committee JIRA space. /quote Thus, I expect that people from the Legal Affair Committee will response. Best regards, Oliver. On 28.09.2011 04:13, Shao Zhi Zhao

Re: why can't I access this address : http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/

2011-09-28 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, Eike posted on 2011-09-11 that this service has stopped working - see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201109.mbox/%3c20110911141738.gc15...@kulungile.erack.de%3E But, I have no answer for the question why this service is gone. Best regards, Oliver. On

Re: why can't I access this address : http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Probably the machine was turned off. You can see the source here: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/hg/DEV300/summary also in Apache: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Eike posted on

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Steve Lee
Hi Jean-Philippe Thanks for highlighting the need for IA2 support in AOO. I agree that IBM offering the Symphony support for the IA2 [1] accessibility API will 'potentially' make AOO available to a much wider user base by providing vital support to NVDA and other assistive technology running on

Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi, i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime on the project in the future as an IBM employee. After 14 years with Sun and Oracle and working on the OOo project since the beginning i was

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 28, 2011 3:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So total silence. Is that the best we can come up with? One problem is that what is being asked for here is a voluntary time commitment. Typically volunteers don't want to

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread FR web forum
Already published on users ML - Mail transféré - De: drew d...@baseanswers.com À: ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org Envoyé: Mardi 27 Septembre 2011 22:27:54 Objet: Re: Forum outage OK - quick update - received an email from Andrew R. at Oracle a few minutes ago and he is working to get

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So total silence. Is that the best we can come up with? hopefully not I'll sign up for the next post, planning on one related to the IP review of AOOo, to give the reader some sense of what we're doing and why we can't

Re: Diploma thesis: a survey about Oracle's care of the OpenOffice.org community (and not LibreOffice)

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 07:33, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: 2011/9/28 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net Hi, first of all, I feel sorry, that I did forward the request to this list. Seems you feel more disturbed than than realizing the chance to help someone with

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
2011/9/28 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com Hi, i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime on the project in the future as an IBM employee. Hi Jurgen, great to see you coming

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread floris v
Op 28-9-2011 8:58, Rory O'Farrell schreef: On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:50:41 +0200 Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: The forums not reachable, at least to me, on address http://user.services.openoffice.org Somebody knows why? Not reachable here either, Zoltan, for at least the last 36

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 12:00 +0200, floris v wrote: Op 28-9-2011 8:58, Rory O'Farrell schreef: On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:50:41 +0200 Reizinger Zoltánzreizin...@hdsnet.hu wrote: The forums not reachable, at least to me, on address http://user.services.openoffice.org Somebody knows why?

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Hi Jürgen, first off, glad to hear you stay with our code the ecosystem! :) Jürgen Schmidt wrote: From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer valid and it should be possible to continue one project, one office together. I don't believe it's helpful to start a discussion by

Re: handling of ext_sources - Juergen's suggestion [was: Re: A systematic approach to IP review?]

2011-09-28 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 20.09.2011 16:36, Pavel Janík wrote: Have we ever considered using version control to...uh...manage file versions? Just an idea. Maybe Heiner will say more, but in the past, we have had the external tarballs in the VCS, but then we moved them out and it worked very well. There never was a

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 11:53, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.orgwrote: Hi Jürgen, first off, glad to hear you stay with our code the ecosystem! :) Jürgen Schmidt wrote: From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer valid and it should be possible to continue one

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Sep 28, 2011 3:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So total silence.  Is that the best we can come up with? One problem is that what is

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
2011/9/28 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So total silence.  Is that the best we can come up with? hopefully not I'll sign up for the next post, planning on one related to the IP review of AOOo, to give the

Re: [build] Who does frequently builds and on wich Systems?

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Raphael Bircher r.birc...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi at all To ensure that the code is buildable on any System, we should have frequently builds on any system. I ask here who does frequently builds, and on wich system. Normaly I make one build per day if I see same

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I don't think the vendor support lifetime for a consumer OS has bring the end of application support on that OS.  What is known is that there will be further service packs, maybe not even OS security patches, but

Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, on http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html it is said: quote Asking Questions Please submit questions to the Legal Affair Committee JIRA space. /quote Thus, I expect that people from the Legal

Re: Bugzilla e-mail is bouncing and other e-mail issues

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Matt Richards mricha...@gmail.com wrote: heh, when did that happen? Must have missed the email about the ooo-issues list. ooo-issues was created when the podling was initially created. Since it was part of the initial configuration, like ooo-dev, there was

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 12:28 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: On 28 September 2011 11:53, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.orgwrote: Hi Jürgen, first off, glad to hear you stay with our code the ecosystem! :) Jürgen Schmidt wrote: From my point of view the reasons for the fork are

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi Jürgen, first off, glad to hear you stay with our code the ecosystem! :) Jürgen Schmidt wrote: From my point of view the reasons for the fork are not longer valid and it should be possible to

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
or why not just shake hands and part as friends. Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and is less good for Open Source in general. Fine strategy if we had thousands of developers in each project and a MS size budget. Two projects and two applications. - if AOO

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 13:05 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: or why not just shake hands and part as friends. Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and is less good for Open Source in general. Well, as you can guess I disagree - it's only inefficient if one doggedly

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Jürgen Schmidt wrote: It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well known brand OpenOffice for a binary release. It would be the best choice for our users. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but binary releases bearing that name can only be made by the ASF, or can

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well known brand OpenOffice for a binary release. It would be the best choice for our users. Please correct me if

my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
Hi, I will now join the folks who are working on the clean up regarding non-Apache license conform stuff. Looking at the wiki - http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/ApacheMigration - provides some low-hanging fruits for me for a start. I will create patches for the following Apache license

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 13:31, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 13:05 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: or why not just shake hands and part as friends. Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of the resources and is less good for Open Source in general. Well,

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Simon Phipps
On 28 Sep 2011, at 13:45, Rob Weir wrote: If you have a specific proposal for use of Apache-owned trademarks, then you are welcome to submit it to this list. We can then review, discuss and make a recommendation to Apache branding. I believe it was Juergen who was proposing this, not

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 09/27/2011 08:58 PM, schrieb Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: Hi Jean-Philippe, As ordinary blind user, I work very much to promote OOo and accessibility free software for blind people. The current problem is that public

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 September 2011 13:45, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: It is still early enough to reunify the code base and use the well known brand OpenOffice for a binary release. It

Re: Introduction and start working

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 03:03 AM, schrieb Maho NAKATA: From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmannorwittm...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Introduction and start working Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:08:01 +0200 Hi Nakata Maho, thanks for the welcome. Until last Friday I had a 21 iMac PowerPC on my home desk, but now it

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Hi, Very interesting answer, thanks: I say 'potentially' as the developers in the community will make it a priority if, and only if, it is clear there is a strong demand for IA2 and someone leads the work and use of it. So I would encourage you to continue your work of letting us know of

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 September 2011 13:45, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: It is still early enough to reunify the code

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
2011/9/28 Jean-Philippe MENGUAL mengualjean...@free.fr I will try doing that. But I'd like to mention one problem and several elements which make me think I represent an enormous part of users who want IA2 to be integrated. The problem is that I have feedbacks essentially from France or

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; There was an interesting cross-posting by Malte Timmermann not long ago: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201109.mbox/ajax/%3c4e6dc5c3.9050...@gmx.com%3E I am not suggesting it should be done now but perhaps committing accfixes2 would help the IBM IA2 integration.

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Slightly off-topic. Wasn't there going to be a proposal from the Forum community regarding moving the Forums to Apache Infrastructure? I recall activity on the the CWiki about it, but nothing has happened here to move the process forward. Regards, Dave On Sep 28, 2011, at 3:28 AM, drew

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Wasn't there going to be a proposal from the Forum community regarding moving the Forums to Apache Infrastructure? I recall activity on the the CWiki about it, but nothing has happened here to move the process forward. The proposal is still in progress. There is still no agreement on if it

Re: handling of ext_sources - Juergen's suggestion [was: Re: A systematic approach to IP review?]

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW; I don't like the patches because I can't really examine well the code, besides this is something the VCS handles acceptably: commit the original sourcecode and then apply the patches in a different commit. If we start with up to date versions there would not be much trouble. just my $0.02,

Re: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Oliver-Rainer; --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I will now join the folks who are working on the clean up regarding non-Apache license conform stuff. Looking at the wiki - http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/ApacheMigration - provides some low-hanging fruits for me

EIS replacement needed? WAS Re: why can't I access this address : http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/

2011-09-28 Thread Bernd Eilers
Hi there! There is now no one anymore activly maintaining the EIS server, EIS software and EIS database. At Oracle some of my duties where just these tasks but I now have no longer access to this service. It may have worked some time without maintenance but now it´s gone. That means that

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 September 2011 13:31, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 13:05 +0100, Ian Lynch wrote: or why not just shake hands and part as friends. Of course we can but that makes inefficient use of

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher
Jürgen, Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Regards, Dave On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:50 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime on the project in the future as an

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: If TDF wants to take the AOOo source code and build it, with or without enhancements, and release it under the name LibreOffice for use with Linux distros, then they are welcome to do that.  They need no additional

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I come back to the point that if division is intrinsically good, why not fork Inkscape, Audacity, Gimp, etc etc. GIMP has been forked for quite some time... Read up on the history of CinePaint (formerly known as Film GIMP) and its disagreements with GIMP. Here the reasons for the fork were mostly

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: 2011/9/28 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: You would need to open a JIRA ticket with Infra, to request names. Maybe start with a call on this list for

EIS replacement needed? WAS Re: why can't I access this address : http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/

2011-09-28 Thread Bernd Eilers
Hi there! There is now no one anymore activly maintaining the EIS server, EIS software and EIS database. At Oracle some of my duties was just this but I now have no longer access to this service. It may have worked some time without maintenance but now it´s gone. That means that neither the

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: 2011/9/28 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: So total silence.  Is that the best we can come up

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 9/28/2011 11:58 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: ...snip... Andy Brown and I volunteered to be Admins for the blog. Here are the steps to become an author. Thanks, Dave! One note: once the podling gets some more posts out there, we'll likely also need volunteers (with accounts on blogs.a.o) to

Re: Not new but under a new hat

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 10:50 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: i am not really new here and be one of the initial committers but i would take the opportunity to let you know that i got the chance to work fulltime on the project in the future as an IBM employee. Congratulations for the new job at IBM and for

Re: Editorial Calendar for the project Blog

2011-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote: 2011/9/28 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: You would need to open a JIRA ticket with Infra, to request

Re: Diploma thesis: a survey about Oracle's care of the OpenOffice.org community (and not LibreOffice)

2011-09-28 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 28, 2011, at 2:38 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 28 September 2011 07:33, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: 2011/9/28 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net Hi, first of all, I feel sorry, that I did forward the request to this list. Seems you feel more disturbed than

Re: EIS replacement needed? WAS Re: why can't I access this address : http://tools.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi Bern; From what I read, I don't think we want to get into all that complexity right now. We have enough work already developing OpenOffice to start developing something like EIS from scratch :-(. Perhaps there something opensource already that we can use to some of the EIS functionality? I

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 01:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I don't think the vendor support lifetime for a consumer OS has bring the end of application support on that OS. What is known is that there will be further service

RE: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
If you mean ODMA.h, I don't believe there is any dependency on it and you should just get rid of it. If you need to deal with it as third-party code, I can get you a version with a BSD-variant license that applies, although the header itself has not been touched. AIIM approved the license

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 09:13 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 09/28/2011 01:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: I don't think the vendor support lifetime for a

RE: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Well... now that I think about it ... The linux header (which is actually an GNU iconv header), can probably be dealt without too. The MIT licensed header in XFree86 is not on X.Org anymore so they did something about it. Is OOo on a opengrok anywhere? It would be good to see where such headers

Re: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: If you mean ODMA.h, I don't believe there is any dependency on it and you should just get rid of it. If you need to deal with it as third-party code, I can get you a version with a BSD-variant license that

RE: handling of ext_sources - Juergen's suggestion [was: Re: A systematic approach to IP review?]

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The problem with bringing the 3rd party software completely into the SVN tree and modifying it in the tree has to do with the license the updated software is under. In that case, there *is* a code provenance issue and I believe it crosses a line that the Apache Software Foundation is unwilling

Re: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 19.09.2011 02:27, Rob Weir wrote: 1) We need to get all files needed for the build into SVN. Right now there are some that are copied down from the OpenOffice.org website during the build's bootstrap process. Until we get the files all in one place it is hard to get a comprehensive view

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details of Fedora 14 and 15 x68_64 build

2011-09-28 Thread Mathias Bauer
On 27.09.2011 04:36, Carl Marcum wrote: As of Repo version 1175305 I can Build on Fedora 14 and 15 x86_64. Thank you Ariel for helping me get the first one completed. I found that there is a problem trying to to build hsqldb using java 1.7 due to the build.xml only having targets for java up

Re: Iaccessible2 in OOo

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 03:47 PM, schrieb Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: Hi, Very interesting answer, thanks: I say 'potentially' as the developers in the community will make it a priority if, and only if, it is clear there is a strong demand for IA2 and someone leads the work and use of it. So I would

RE: handling of ext_sources - Juergen's suggestion [was: Re: A systematic approach to IP review?]

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
The idea (not originally mine) is to have keep only compatible licensed code under an isolated (3rdparty) directory. I think on the long run we should try to use the system versions of such software when available, and every linux/bsd distribution is probably doing that for LO already. Pedro.

RE: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ODMA.h would not be a contribution to Apache. It would be an updated file with a BSD-license adaptation notice and an AIIM Copyright Notice. (Only my urologist gets to do cavity searches.) If I spiffed up the files and reference code that are actually needed to have a production-quality

RE: Diploma thesis: a survey about Oracle's care of the OpenOffice.org community (and not LibreOffice)

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
What is not obvious in the survey is that the answer to the first question apparently branches you to a different remainder of the survey. It also doesn't even consider folks who contribute to both projects until near the end. I have communicated my feedback on the survey itself privately.

RE: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Marcus, I share your thinking about this. If you or Oliver or someone can put a recent successful trial build where I can get my hands on the installer version, I will be happy to perform platform-confirmation installs. This would help me set up a routine for doing that kind of QA in the

Re: handling of ext_sources - Juergen's suggestion [was: Re: A systematic approach to IP review?]

2011-09-28 Thread Michael Stahl
On 28.09.2011 17:32, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: FWIW; I don't like the patches because I can't really examine well the code, besides this is something the VCS handles acceptably: commit the original sourcecode and then apply the patches in a different commit. If we start with up to date

Re: Forums not reachable

2011-09-28 Thread Kay Schenk
Christian-- Can you supply an update to whatever is going on on this wiki page? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Forums The issue Terry refers to has been closed and the response is confusing to me, but perhaps it makes sense to someone else. After my panic about

opengrok (was: Re: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license)

2011-09-28 Thread Michael Stahl
On 28.09.2011 21:52, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: Is OOo on a opengrok anywhere? It would be good to see where such headers are used. this one still seems to work: http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok there is also this one, but of course it has a rather different source tree so such

RE: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/28/11, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: Well... now that I think about it ... The linux header (which is actually an GNU iconv header), can probably be dealt without too. The MIT licensed header in XFree86 is not on X.Org anymore so they did something about it. X.Org uses git and

Re: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/28/2011 11:56 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: Marcus, I share your thinking about this. If you or Oliver or someone can put a recent successful trial build where I can get my hands on the installer version, I will be happy to perform platform-confirmation installs. This would help me

RE: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It is unlikely that machine-generated files of any kind are copyrightable subject matter. I would think that files generated by Visual Studio should just be regenerated, especially if this has to do with preprocessor pre-compilation, project boiler-plate (and even build/make) files,

EIS CWS data

2011-09-28 Thread Michael Stahl
EIS seems to be dead. some months ago somebody (and i'm too lazy to dig up who to thank) uploaded a dump of the CWS data here, guess that's all we have now: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1792694/cws.ods

Re: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: It is unlikely that machine-generated files of any kind are copyrightable subject matter.  I would think that files generated by Visual Studio should just be regenerated, especially if this has to do with

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details of Fedora 14 and 15 x68_64 build

2011-09-28 Thread Carl Marcum
On 09/28/2011 04:41 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: On 27.09.2011 04:36, Carl Marcum wrote: As of Repo version 1175305 I can Build on Fedora 14 and 15 x86_64. Thank you Ariel for helping me get the first one completed. I found that there is a problem trying to to build hsqldb using java 1.7 due to

Re: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: It is unlikely that machine-generated files of any kind are copyrightable subject matter. I'd imagine that Pixar, for instance, would have a problem with that blanket statement... The very existence of this

Re: [EXT][DISCUSS] Including Groovy as a scripting language

2011-09-28 Thread Carl Marcum
On 09/28/2011 01:29 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Carl Marcumcmar...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, I wanted to gauge the interest in including Groovy [1] as a scripting language. For those not familiar, Groovy is a dynamic language for the JVM that includes

Wiki status and freeze date?

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I want to know since when is the wiki in the apache server been on the server. Is there any plans to sync it with the one on the wiki.services.openoffice.org. I got some ongoing work and would need to sync it down to the apache location at ooo-wiki.apache.org. Regards -- *Alexandro Colorado*

RE: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'll stand by my original statement. I'm not going to get into the Pixar case since it doesn't apply here. The Bison manual may have license conditions on what can be done with the generated artifact, but I suggest that is not about copyrightable subject matter in the artifact. A similar

RE: [patch] Removal of Windows build requirement on unicows.dll - issue 88652

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The only reason for testing the installer on Win32 platforms older than Windows 2000 is to find out how they fail. If they don't fail that is interesting too, but I understand it is not part of any agreed support. If they fail, they won't be fixed. I guess Oliver is our source for fresh

RE: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
FWIW; --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: ... If you mean ODMA.h, I don't believe there is any dependency on it and you should just get rid of it. If you need to deal with it as third-party code, I can get you a version with a BSD-variant license that

BZ css testing

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Is there a way i can test de OOo CSS skin on the apache implementation? I had been tweaking to the current theme of the site. Also would be doing some custom imaging.

Re: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/28/11, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: ... On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: It is unlikely that machine-generated files of any kind are copyrightable subject matter. I'd imagine that Pixar, for instance, would have a problem with that blanket statement...

RE: my next (tiny) steps - clean up regarding stuff which is not conform to the Apache license

2011-09-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Right, So Odma.h cannot be in the grant, of course. The #include in odma_lib.hxx is only used for the type definitions, since the entry points need to be something that can be bound to pointers in a LoadLib of odma32.dll, and odma_lib.hxx does that. The usage is perfectly fine, even with

Re: BZ css testing

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni giffu...@tutopia.comwrote: Alejandro; --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Is there a way i can test de OOo CSS skin on the apache implementation? I had been tweaking to the current theme of the site. Also would be doing some

Re: BZ css testing

2011-09-28 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:47:10 -0500, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: . Ok I create INFRA-3970, feel free to add yourself to it. I would need to verify the version of the OOo's BZ vs the one in Apache (which I think is the latest). -- Anyone knows? 4.0 (or so it says in the

Re: A systematic approach to IP review?

2011-09-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I'll stand by my original statement. I'm not going to get into the Pixar case since it doesn't apply here. I did not say it applied to the Visual studio generated cruft... I merely commented on the blanket