CRUD Restlet

2015-01-19 Thread Bert Verhees
On 19-01-15 12:06, "Gerard Freriks (priv?)" wrote: > Niet een slecht advies: Kijken bij FHIR van HL7 I will check that > > GF > > Gerard Freriks > +31 620347088 > gfrer at luna.nl > >> On 19 jan. 2015, at 11:29, Diego Bosc? > > wrote: >> >> I

CRUD Restlet

2015-01-19 Thread Bert Verhees
On 19-01-15 11:31, Birger Haarbrandt wrote: > The medrecord openEHR server is also based on REST and worth looking > at. There was a lot to learn from for me as the API is pretty neat. I will check that too, thanks for the links Bert -- next part -- An HTML attachment wa

CRUD Restlet

2015-01-19 Thread Bert Verhees
Thanks Ralph ;-) On 19-01-15 13:10, Ralph van Etten wrote: > Hi, > > > On 01/19/2015 11:31 AM, Birger Haarbrandt wrote: > >> The medrecord openEHR server is also based on REST and worth looking at. >> There was a lot to learn from for me as the API is pretty neat. > > > Thanks. We do our best to

CRUD Restlet

2015-01-23 Thread Bert Verhees
On 18-01-15 11:49, Erik Sundvall wrote: > Are you sure you have understood the difference between service > orientation and resource orientation? The background chapter in our > paper I referred to earlier briefly touches upon what a resource is, > Fielding's dissertation explains it in detail.

CRUD Restlet

2015-01-23 Thread Bert Verhees
Although the the stock market-information is a data-object, it is generated by a service, and because Rest is (mis)used to communicate with services the service must be seen as the addressed resource. If the service is out of order, or the address to the service is misspelled a 404 would be in i

"ordered" in CMultiAttribute

2015-01-29 Thread Bert Verhees
Hi, I wonder what a use-case might be for the "ordered" keyword in CMultiAttribute. It complicates software, and seems useless because elements in a list can be queried/sorted in any order in the result, as well be queried as a single element. Shouldn't it therefore not be in the AOM, but be s

Re: EHRServer is on the cloud

2015-05-29 Thread Bert Verhees
Very nice, Pablo, thanks for sharing Bert On 29-05-15 01:46, pablo pazos wrote: Dear friends, I'm happy to share with you that our openEHR EHRServer is on the cloud: http://cabolabs-ehrserver.rhcloud.com/ehr-0.1/ This is a pre-beta version, with no security. Anyone can play with it. Some b

Re: Updated Vim mode for ADL syntax

2015-06-24 Thread Bert Verhees
Very good Thomas, I often use vim for quick repair in terminal, I hope you get it distributed with vim, as some other programming languages, like C, are supported default. Regards Bert Op 23 jun. 2015 18:46 schreef "Thomas Beale" < thomas.be...@oceaninformatics.com>: > > I have uploaded new vim s

Re: Updated Vim mode for ADL syntax

2015-06-25 Thread Bert Verhees
h vim-syntax-files. Seeing at what you have, it is already very useful, with string-colors, and that kind of basic things. In good open source tradition, call it version 0.0.1, meaning: it is a good start, also invitation to do something with it. Bert - thomas On 24/06/2015 17:49, Bert Verhees

Re: ADL versions 1.4, 1.5 and 2.0

2015-08-13 Thread Bert Verhees
Thanks Thomas, for the clarification. Very useful. Bert Op 13 aug. 2015 06:26 schreef "Thomas Beale" < thomas.be...@oceaninformatics.com>: > > Dave, > > I'll try to answer a few. > > Firstly, please treat the active specifications as what you find by going > to the home page 'Specifications' butt

Re: latest updates to AD2 / AOM2 specifications

2015-08-21 Thread Bert Verhees
I cannot compliment the team enough for the wonderful work that has been done, so again, good job, very promising. Bert On 21-08-15 17:37, Thomas Beale wrote: I am finalising the ADL/AOM2 specifications, mainly updating text, and incorporating content from older separate documents. It's not

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-23 Thread Bert Verhees
I am working with Antlr4, studying it also. It's possibilities are amazing. I think it is the best grammar environment, Terence Parr (rhe designer of it) explains why, and I think he is right. One important reason is that Antlr4 does not need code fragments in its grammar so that he grammar really

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-23 Thread Bert Verhees
I wrote this a bit confusing, too late at night and on my mobile (small screen). The idea I wanted to write is that with Antlr4, you can write a grammar, without knowing the purpose of the grammar. If it is used to write a query engine, or if it is used to write a translator from AQL to XQuery

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-24 Thread Bert Verhees
On 24-08-15 15:36, Thomas Beale wrote: Antlr4 rule capabilities and particularly pattern matching is weaker than yacc/lex (in some cases quite a lot weaker), Of course, Yacc/lex can only be used to generate C-code. It's functionality in pattern matching is limited to this. To do whatever you n

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-24 Thread Bert Verhees
On 24-08-15 15:36, Thomas Beale wrote: but it's more concise for the production rules, and as you say, it works for any output side. So that's a big win. Over time, I expect we'll cnvert everything to Antlr4. To say that, have you ever seen code generated by yacc/lex, bison or JJ. It is unread

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-24 Thread Bert Verhees
> Over time, I expect we'll cnvert everything to Antlr4. Last remark, I thought there were doubts and delays regarding to converting to antlr4, also because of the expressed doubt about its quality, this message gave me the idea, but as I checked the sources, which I was not aware of, there is rea

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-24 Thread Bert Verhees
On 25-08-15 04:12, Thomas Beale wrote: actually - these are all output stages, and they are perfectly doable with any yacc/lex compiler serialiser - which is what the ADL workbench is, and what it does. Antlr des make a lot of this easier however. That is interesting, I didn't realize that. Th

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-25 Thread Bert Verhees
On 25-08-15 04:12, Thomas Beale wrote: Antlr doesn't do anything like full regex. A teacher, years ago, told the classroom, if you try to solve a problem with regex, then you have another problem added. (he was joking, but not entirely) I would like to know an example or description of an is

Re: AQL ANTLR4-grammar

2015-08-25 Thread Bert Verhees
On 25-08-15 09:39, Bert Verhees wrote: I would like to know an example or description of an issue in which Antlr4.5 does not work good enough in the OpenEHR context. I think that information can help me and other developers really a lot. I did some shallow research, maybe it can help answering

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-26 Thread Bert Verhees
On 26-08-15 14:03, Diego Boscá wrote: I agree with most of the points, but I'm curious why you say that 13606 does not support AQL (and in any case wouldn't be "AQL does not support 13606"?) Yes, that is a good question, I did not know that AQL was considered to be OpenEHR specific. In my opinio

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-26 Thread Bert Verhees
On 26-08-15 14:23, Ian McNicoll wrote: but am not aware of any non-openEHR implementations Is there a Xhosa implementation of 13606 or OpenEHR? Does that mean OpenEHR or 13606 are not able to support Xhosa? I would leave it with: AQL is an archetype bound query language, and every system whic

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-26 Thread Bert Verhees
On 26-08-15 14:44, Ian McNicoll wrote: That is fair enough but we were asked to characterise the differences between 13606 and openEHR and I am comfortable that the actual and formal adoption of AQL is one of those differences. If you see it from the formal point of specifications, you are right

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-26 Thread Bert Verhees
On 26-08-15 14:57, Sebastian Garde wrote: AQL may not be quite as fundamental as it is to openEHR. How about filtering messages? Messaging is a process, in the cloud it will become very important, it will become more then two system interchanging information. It doesn't matter were your medica

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-26 Thread Bert Verhees
On 26-08-15 16:33, Kalra, Dipak wrote: The specification of archetypes is very mature, and during the revision we expect to upgrade to the latest AOM (which is 2.0). This part of the standard will also remain focused on a logical representation supporting archetype interchange. Thanks Dipak,

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
Like the Ocean Archetype editor. It only supports the OpenEhr RM only. That is understandable and no problem. The market will fill in that gap. Op 27 aug. 2015 01:49 schreef "Heath Frankel" < heath.fran...@oceaninformatics.com>: > Technical, the original grammar for AQL was bound to openEHR RM cla

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 27-08-15 19:54, Thomas Beale wrote: I would suggest that CIMI has been simiplified to the point of not being directly usable as an RM by openEHR or 13606 - most of the needed context information is gone in CIMI, and it doesn't distinguish any kind of 'Entry' or clinical statement. Are you

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 28-08-15 07:54, Seref Arikan wrote: Sorry, but I have to ask: are you doing a homework? This sounds like an accusation (the "Sorry, I have to ask"-part). Then I don't understand the point. How many in this community, in the past, were on this mailing-list for their school or university.?

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-27 Thread Bert Verhees
How many in this community, in the past, were on this mailing-list for their school or university.? For me, I don't care, homework or other work. We are all learning and work in the school of life. See the very interesting discussion he/she initiated. ___

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-28 Thread Bert Verhees
gt; twitter: @ianmcnicoll Co-Chair, openEHR Foundation ian.mcnic...@openehr.org <mailto:ian.mcnic...@openehr.org> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd. Director, HANDIHealth CIC Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On 28 August 2015 at 07:46, Bert Verhees <mailto:bert.ver

Re: difference and relationship between openEHR and EN13606

2015-08-28 Thread Bert Verhees
I agree it is a balancing act in how far the semantics should be in the RM or in the archetypes. Both ways have their pro and contra. Thanks for explaining it Bert On 28-08-15 19:17, Thomas Beale wrote: Hi Bert, On 28/08/2015 16:32, Bert Verhees wrote: On 27-08-15 19:54, Thomas Beale wrote

Advantage of ISO

2015-09-01 Thread Bert Verhees
I have written a text (reply to Erik) in Stackoverflow, describing why it will be good for OpenEHR if AOM2.0 will become an ISO-standard in the context of ISO13606 renewal. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32010122/are-the-hl7-fhir-hl7-cda-cimi-openehr-and-iso13606-approaches-aiming-to-solve/

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-01 Thread Bert Verhees
On 01-09-15 17:16, Bert Verhees wrote: I have written a text (reply to Erik) in Stackoverflow, describing why it will be good for OpenEHR if AOM2.0 will become an ISO-standard in the context of ISO13606 renewal. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32010122/are-the-hl7-fhir-hl7-cda-cimi-openehr

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
@openehr.org <mailto:ian.mcnic...@openehr.org> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd. Director, HANDIHealth CIC Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On 1 September 2015 at 16:48, Bert Verhees <mailto:bert.verh...@rosa.nl>> wrote: On 01-09-15 17:16, Bert Verhees w

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
On 03-09-15 09:10, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote: openEHR has one owner. CEN and ISO have members (countries) that are, all together, the owner. This is not true, Gerard, ISO has a statement on its website, that there can be IP which is not known about. So, even an idea in a ISO standard can s

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
ake more action to fightr these rumors. Best regards Bert Verhees ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
case IP is held on specifications archetypes are making use of. It is about ownership of IP of BOTH the Reference Model and the AOM Gerard On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Bert Verhees <mailto:bert.verh...@rosa.nl>> wrote: On 03-09-15 09:07, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote:

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
On 03-09-15 13:02, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote: This discussion is about who owns the IP. And then my points about it are not with spoken Which IP do you mean Gerard? The two kinds I know are not "owned" by the OpenEHR foundation. ___ openEHR-

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
So you are saying that you need a license to build an openehr implementation? That is very strange that several parties I know work without license except an open source license, and that for years. How do you explain that? Do you think the "owner" is sleeping? Should code24, marand, Pablo, zorgg

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
Gerard, you write "UCL owns the IP rights and licensing conditions. Members of, participants in, openEHR gremia, do not." Can you explain what you mean, what is the difference in rights between UCL and all those companies which are using it on an open source license? Which right does UCL have, wh

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
Gerard, is there a relation between the introduction of AOM2.0, and the coincidence of the renewal process of ISO13606, which has the potential that AOM2.0 will be a part of the renewed ISO13606, and your strong effort to make us aware of your concern about IP risk in using OpenEHR related technolo

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
On 04-09-15 08:16, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote: It is not a numbers game. Members/users need to own it. CEN, ISO, HL7, SNOMED, WHO, all have members that own the IP. These organizations are real Associations. I noticed you only read the first three lines of an message, so I send you short

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
The problem about IP ownership and openEHR is an long standing problem that has not been resolved sufficiently, until now. This is my personal opinion. Why now, if it is a long standing problem, why not five years ago, and why this sudden energy to harm the reputation of OpenEHR? If I don'

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
On 04-09-15 08:16, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote: It is not a numbers game. Members/users need to own it. CEN, ISO, HL7, SNOMED, WHO, all have members that own the IP. These organizations are real Associations. It is already said, as argument against your position, numbers do not count, righ

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-03 Thread Bert Verhees
On 04-09-15 08:16, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote: It is not a numbers game. Members/users need to own it. CEN, ISO, HL7, SNOMED, WHO, all have members that own the IP. These organizations are real Associations. Which user owns ISO13606? They have to pay to read the standard, and quite much, 2

Re: openEHR is open but ISO may offer some other advatages

2015-09-04 Thread Bert Verhees
On 04-09-15 09:31, Gunnar Klein wrote: Irrespective of this, I argued a year ago for the foundation to take steps towards becoming a true international non profit foundation breaking its ties witht the UCL as a founder. It is an anomaly in today's world. Gunnar, Can you explain what the advan

Re: openEHR is open but ISO may offer some other advatages

2015-09-04 Thread Bert Verhees
On 04-09-15 13:31, Gunnar Klein wrote: I mean the submission of certain openEHR specs to ISO can be made with the present formal status of the Foundation being tied to UCL. To further gain acceptance also by governmental bodies around the globe where people may like openEHR but may hesitate to

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-04 Thread Bert Verhees
On 04-09-15 19:55, Ian McNicoll wrote: I am happy to debate the relevant merits of the ISO vs. open-source approaches recognising The one does not exclude the other, I would say. But on second thought, does ISO prohibit giving a free license, or publishing the specs for free? I am not sure ab

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-04 Thread Bert Verhees
I was very active, 10 years ago, in the anti-software-patent-lobby in Europe. I spent several weeks talking to European members of Parliament. We won. 😊 I made a presentation for Dutch members of the EP. http://www.rosa.nl/software_patenten/ It is in Dutch. I made it quick and dirty in OpenOffice

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-04 Thread Bert Verhees
FUD Fear Uncertainty Doubt This is an old technique for making people afraid. Microsoft was always "fudding" Linux. It is a marketing strategy. Thomas mentioned coaching bureaucrats, making them afraid. It happened before, and it still happens, at least in the Linux world. __

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-04 Thread Bert Verhees
designing this which offers so many good opportunities. Op 5 sep. 2015 00:17 schreef "Bert Verhees" : > FUD > > Fear Uncertainty Doubt > > This is an old technique for making people afraid. Microsoft was always > "fudding" Linux. It is a marketing strategy. T

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-06 Thread Bert Verhees
The ND on the specs, there must be a kind of protection. Brand protection could work, but must be registered in all countries of the world. You see the same problem at RFC's, they solved it like this, you cannot change them and publish them under the same name. In the case of RFC a changed ver

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-06 Thread Bert Verhees
On 06-09-15 22:18, Ian McNicoll wrote: My understanding is that removing ND (or Public Domain) could only really be safe if we have solid Trademark protection to prevent a fork representing itself as 'official openEHR'. This was the approach taken by FHIR, I believe that for some technical reas

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-06 Thread Bert Verhees
oes the following for the specifications: * requires attribution with all replublishing, sharing * prevents republishing in altered form with same document title, id, and also publisher i.e. 'openEHR' * but allows normal forking into artefacts that are clearly different - thomas

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-07 Thread Bert Verhees
On 07-09-15 16:02, Ian McNicoll wrote: Thanks Gerard, That is very positive and helpful. Would you consider adjusting to ‘ openEHR is a not-for-profit company established by UCL’ which I hope captures your reservations about single ownership without giving the impression that this is a 'for-

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-07 Thread Bert Verhees
On 07-09-15 16:15, Bert Verhees wrote: does he still think the word "proprietary" is appropriate for the specifications correction, must be: do you still think the word "proprietary" is appropriate for the specifications _

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-08 Thread Bert Verhees
On Friday, September 04, 2015 18:55:02 Ian McNicoll wrote: > However, your use of 'proprietary' in this context is highly misleading, > particularly as it applies to phrases like 'proprietary standards' or > 'proprietary specifications'. > > I could equally use the phrase 'proprietary specificatio

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-08 Thread Bert Verhees
Hi Ian, thanks for your answer. I do not completely agree > My primary concern was to establish that the use of 'proprietary' in the > context of openEHR, particularly in the context of specifications / > archetypes but also in terms of governance, gives the impression (perhaps > unintended), th

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-08 Thread Bert Verhees
Hi Ian, thanks for your answer. I do not completely agree > My primary concern was to establish that the use of 'proprietary' in the > context of openEHR, particularly in the context of specifications / > archetypes but also in terms of governance, gives the impression (perhaps > unintended), th

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-08 Thread Bert Verhees
Sorry for sending it twice, that was an accident Bert On 08-09-15 16:52, Bert Verhees wrote: Hi Ian, thanks for your answer. I do not completely agree My primary concern was to establish that the use of 'proprietary' in the context of openEHR, particularly in the context of spec

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-09 Thread Bert Verhees
On 09-09-15 04:20, Thomas Beale wrote: On 08/09/2015 21:55, Erik Sundvall wrote: Hi! ND on the specification documents is not a big or urgent problem if there are Apace 2 licenced computable artifacts like UML-files/descriptions of all classes, ADL/AQL grammars, openEHR term lists/vocabulari

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-09 Thread Bert Verhees
On 09-09-15 09:55, Thomas Beale wrote: Bert, my comments relate to software only, contributed by companies and other organisations at their own development expense. It has nothing to do with specifications, nor specification-related computational artefacts (grammars, XSDs, and the like). Th

Re: Advantage of ISO

2015-09-09 Thread Bert Verhees
On 09-09-15 10:24, Thomas Beale wrote: I hope this is clearer. - thomas It sure is. I totally agree. Bert ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.opene

Re: SNOMED CT constraint syntax - for querying instances or terminology?

2015-10-01 Thread Bert Verhees
I am following this discussion with great interest, just wanted you and Michael to know, just in case you would want to stop it or have it private, which I would regret. Bert On 30-09-15 09:20, Thomas Beale wrote: ok - so the query would be applied to instances in a drug database (each instan

Re: New adl-antlr GitHub project

2015-10-06 Thread Bert Verhees
Good job, I check it later, too busy now. Thanks for sharing Bert On 06-10-15 14:33, Thomas Beale wrote: I have created a new Github project called adl-antlr , to contain a development set of Antlr4 grammars for ODIN and ADL, for use (at least currently)

Jack Rabbit

2015-11-01 Thread Bert Verhees
actively used: Mailinglists: 3 lists and 38,604 messages. First list started in March 2012. There are 3 active lists, recently accumulating 9 messages per day. Best regards Bert Verhees ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical

Re: Jack Rabbit

2015-11-01 Thread Bert Verhees
tation on the same. Thanks, Subhro. On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Bert Verhees <mailto:bert.verh...@rosa.nl>> wrote: Did anyone ever heard of Jack Rabbit, and how it behaves in OpenEHR context? It seems to have much, an OpenEHR database needs. It has support for structur

Re: Jack Rabbit

2015-11-01 Thread Bert Verhees
it more, and that cost much time, and time is the only thing which I do not have enough ;-) Modeshape is part of JBoss, and is advertised to be scalable, fast, and feature-rich. So is Jack-Rabbit Oak. Best regards Bert Verhees On 01-11-15 11:04, Subhrajyoti Moitra wrote: Hello Bert, I

Re: Adverse reaction archetype... just published

2015-11-19 Thread Bert Verhees
Just an idea: I think it is a good idea to do some more effort on marketing. This great archetype, high quality (as far as I can judge ;-) is a very good example to publish outside the OpenEHR-communities. There are many many many who never or only vaguely heard about OpenEHR, and/or don't trus

Re: Adverse reaction archetype... just published

2015-11-19 Thread Bert Verhees
enehr.org> Director, freshEHR Clinical Informatics Ltd. Director, HANDIHealth CIC Hon. Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL On 19 November 2015 at 11:14, Bert Verhees <mailto:bert.verh...@rosa.nl>> wrote: Just an idea: I think it is a good idea to do some more effort on mark

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-26 Thread Bert Verhees
My two cents, I believe OpenEHR is patient-centric, and a patient can have treatment in more healthcare-centra. So the patient should be on the root of an EHR, and the healthcare-organisation should somewhere appropriate being linked to a specific treatment/composition, received in that orga

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-26 Thread Bert Verhees
On 26-11-15 23:47, Dmitry Baranov wrote: OK Bert, let's say that an EHR system manages a graph of objects and my idea is just a representation of such a graph. PARTY_IDENTIFIED (Patient) - OBJECT_ID (Patient) - COMPOSITION - OBSERVATION - FOLDER - PARTY_IDENTIFIED (Organizaion) If you like :)

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
I think it is very easy to solve. The premise is that several legal entities are sharing patients, and also share an EHR system, and you want to distinguish which treatment is given by which legal institution. It is easy, build your system so, that all compositions are also placed in folders

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
That is something funny, demographics are something which are treated as a stepchild, not only in OpenEHR, .. It is even so that in CKM for long time where no demographics archetypes at all. Until a moment, some years ago, in 2009, Sergio Miranda Freire posted them, a Brazilian version. In

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 27-11-15 09:56, Dmitry Baranov wrote: I agree that demographic details can be expressed via archetypes. Actors/Participation/Names etc are elaborated well in HL7 CDA spec, by the way That is a point, why is it not like that in OpenEHR or EN13606?

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
g it would not be necessary now, I guess. Thanks for your reply Bert - thomas On 27/11/2015 09:02, Bert Verhees wrote: On 27-11-15 09:56, Dmitry Baranov wrote: I agree that demographic details can be expressed via archetypes. Actors/Participation/Names etc are elaborated well in HL7 CDA spec,

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 27-11-15 10:34, Bert Verhees wrote: as ultrastructure. as ultrastructure.??? Must be "information-structure" (sorry) ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listin

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 27-11-15 10:33, Sebastian Garde wrote: …or if it is for an archetype, you can raise a Change Request directly for that archetype on CKM, I just did it, thanks for the tip Bert ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org h

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-27 Thread Bert Verhees
On 27-11-15 10:23, Thomas Beale wrote: there is no 'policy' about treating the Demographics specification as 'inferior'. I think I need to explain how and why I thought that. I found the message which caused my recollection that demographic information structures were regarded as inferior stru

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-28 Thread Bert Verhees
k was underpinned by solid funding by we simply do not have that > luxury right now. > > Ian > On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 at 21:42, Peter Gummer < > peter.gum...@oceaninformatics.com> wrote: > >> On 27 Nov 2015, at 21:30, Bert Verhees wrote: >> > >> > Anyway

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-28 Thread Bert Verhees
On 28-11-15 18:29, pazospa...@hotmail.com wrote: Did anyone tried the marand's online editor with the demographic model? Opinions? I would not advise to use an online archetype-editor, if you want your archetypes and templates to be private IP. It is good for students and newcomers who wa

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-28 Thread Bert Verhees
ed to create/edit archetypes and templates on someone else's server, just let it run in your private network (or locally on your computer). Cheers, Birger Von meinem iPad gesendet Am 28.11.2015 um 20:04 schrieb Bert Verhees : On 28-11-15 18:29, pazospa...@hotmail.com wrote: Did anyone

Re: Party-actor-folder relationships in hierarchy

2015-11-28 Thread Bert Verhees
On 28-11-15 18:29, pazospa...@hotmail.com wrote: Did anyone tried the marand's online editor with the demographic model? Opinions? I believe it does not support demographic archetypes, if this link is the right one http://ehrscape./marand/.si/designer//archetype-editor/.html _

errorhandling in AOM/ADLParser

2015-12-14 Thread Bert Verhees
uring this week I will implement the other errors. If you want to use the error-handling only, copy the different code to your project. Of course you are free to use my code, which is quite compact, has a generated AOM, also. I try to keep the AOM-part generated. Best regards Bert Verhees ___

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 46, Issue 1

2015-12-14 Thread Bert Verhees
using. I guess that you are responding to my message, because it is a reply to a digest. I hope you are willing to explain what the importance/consequence of your message is for the error messages I am implementing. Best regards Bert Verhees ___ openE

Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
Hi all, I am looking at this error message from http://www.openehr.org/releases/AM/latest/docs/AOM2/AOM2.html#_validity_rules * VARCN*: archetype concept validity. The |/node_id/| of the root object of the archetype must be of the form |id1{.1}*|, where the number of |.1| components equals th

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
enote the corrections/versions on an archetype. But maybe I misunderstand that concept. Or are you referring to something else? Bert 2015-12-16 9:42 GMT+01:00 Bert Verhees : Hi all, I am looking at this error message from http://www.openehr.org/releases/AM/latest/docs/AOM2/AOM2

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
)* ; 2015-12-16 10:42 GMT+01:00 Bert Verhees : On 16-12-15 09:50, Diego Boscá wrote: Parsing current archetype identifiers you can know the specialization depth and compare it with root node_id. Hi Diego, Thanks for your answer, and I hope you will answer my follow up question I thou

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
this. I am now doubting if I should implement that error-detection/message. The issuetracker page seems under construction, so I cannot report it. http://www.openehr.org/programs/software/issuetrackers But I guess people responsible for this have read this. Best regards Bert Verhees

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
t from the archetype_hrid shows all the parents of a given node (or at least did in 1.4) 2015-12-16 10:42 GMT+01:00 Bert Verhees : On 16-12-15 09:50, Diego Boscá wrote: Parsing current archetype identifiers you can know the specialization depth and compare it with root node_id. Hi Diego, Thank

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
On 16-12-15 11:54, Bert Verhees wrote: I think it is best to wait for an official reaction of the openehr chief architect. No offending intended, just joking ;-) ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical@lists.openehr.org http

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
Thanks Thomas for your answers, I will study them tomorrow Best regards Bert On 16-12-15 14:12, Diego Boscá wrote: Must put AOM2 glasses on! 8-) 2015-12-16 14:03 GMT+01:00 Thomas Beale : This is not a specialised identifier, it's just an identifier that has '-' characters in it, which in ADL2

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
On 16-12-15 14:01, Thomas Beale wrote: That is gone in ADL2. in ADL2 you can know the specialisation depth of the archetype by looking at the root node code, e.g. id1 -> depth = 0 id1.1 -> depth = 1 etc I write, as you suggest, from now on the errors/remarks in the PR tracker, I had not u

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-16 Thread Bert Verhees
On 16-12-15 14:05, Thomas Beale wrote: that's why it is gone in ADL2/AOM2. The new ARCHETYPE_HRID class is the one that matters, and it does not know about specialisation depth. Please allow me a question, maybe it is explained somewhere. What is the meaning of the class Archetype_Id in the

Re: Specialization depth

2015-12-17 Thread Bert Verhees
On 17-12-15 11:09, Thomas Beale wrote: The error messages are actually in ODIN format, which can accommodate EN-US as well as EN, if we really want to bother with that. That is the good thing, you can create error messages in any language, even switch the language if wanted, which fits fine

some differences between specs and implementation

2015-12-25 Thread Bert Verhees
Hi Thomas and others, Happy Christmas, of course, but maybe, just like for me, workaholics, taking some time to work a bit in Christmas-day? I am looking at the specs at http://www.openehr.org/releases/AM/latest/docs/AOM2/AOM2.html#_validity_rules And I see the error: *VARID*: archetype ide

Re: some differences between specs and implementation

2015-12-28 Thread Bert Verhees
On 25-12-15 14:27, Bert Verhees wrote: Hi Thomas and others, Happy Christmas, of course, but maybe, just like for me, workaholics, taking some time to work a bit in Christmas-day? I am looking at the specs at http://www.openehr.org/releases/AM/latest/docs/AOM2/AOM2.html#_validity_rules

Re: Trial of openEHR's own 'stackExchange' on the openEHR wiki

2016-01-06 Thread Bert Verhees
On 06-01-16 09:07, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote: one of the features we don't use on the wiki is 'Questions', which you can see here . There seems to be an authorization-problem, the site says Not Permitted You are not permitted to perform this op

Re: Trial of openEHR's own 'stackExchange' on the openEHR wiki

2016-01-06 Thread Bert Verhees
answers which can scare people away from OpenEHR. By the way, hl7 and hl7-fhir have StackOverflow tags. El 6/1/2016 10:34, "Bert Verhees" <mailto:bert.verh...@rosa.nl>> escribió: On 06-01-16 09:07, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote: one of the features we don't use o

Re: Trial of openEHR's own 'stackExchange' on the openEHR wiki

2016-01-07 Thread Bert Verhees
On 07-01-16 16:19, Bakke, Silje Ljosland wrote: I think for this to be useful, the site have to be readable without logging in… That is also true, Google must be able to reach it, and not anyone wants to be known when searching information. ___ o

Re: Trial of openEHR's own 'stackExchange' on the openEHR wiki

2016-01-07 Thread Bert Verhees
Looks good, same as stackoverflow, about. good the options to watch and share questions On 07-01-16 19:45, Thomas Beale wrote: On 07/01/2016 17:12, Bert Verhees wrote: On 07-01-16 17:28, Thomas Beale wrote: I changed the wiki so that Questions is now visible read-only to non-logged in

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