Hi Richard,
thank you for your fast answer. I know you are a bussy man.
The longer I think about that, the longer I am getting angry to see a 100
men powered development
team to build a demo on a demo board for a hand full nerds.
I don't know where you got that impression. Jasper did
Richard, why do you choose Rasp.PI as demo platform instead of iPad or Android
tablet?
I really believe in you JFX guys and I really believe that you all love to see
JFX on tablets. So I don’t understand why you can’t open your mouth, go to your
management and legal department and tell him,
I suppose „legal reasons“….
For me it’s very frustrating to see every year the same procedure:
JavaFX-iOS/Android related tracks were canceled - „nerd“ stuff like Rasp.PI,
DukePad Co were announced. Maybe I’m really the only one who needs JavaFX on
mobile to use JavaFX on desktop as well… :(
No, you are *not* the only one. We *all* need it. In fact, without it
happening soon, JavaFX is already dead.
But let's not give up yet. Perhaps it's closer than we know. I am a glass half
full kinda guy :-)
On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:40, Tobias Bley t...@ultramixer.com wrote:
I suppose
I don’t understand why „all“ this people who needs JavaFX on iOS/Android does
not tell it Oracles management. And I don’t understand why all this people use
their time to develop all this demos and Rasp.PI stuff. Who needs it? Why don’t
we develop base stuff like iOS skins, Android skins,
I am sure Oracle management get it. There are lots of issues here, not just
technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they announce
anything. Let's hope that's why nothing has eventuated yet...
On 30 Sep 2013, at 17:04, Tobias Bley t...@ultramixer.com wrote:
I don’t
The lack of information on iOS/Android is a major bummer, but this also
highlights a deeper problem here.
We have a situation where Oracle won't talk to this community because the
topic is important, it's too big a game changer for them to comment on.
It's tied in with share prices, and market
I absolutely agree Daniel. I opened a very important bug reporting concerning
JFX performance on iPhone which currently prevents using JavaFX (and RoboVM) to
build apps for the iPhone (https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-31453) this
bug report is open since 3(!) month! How shall the
I'm also optimistic. We've all seen that it's possible from the technical
side… I think it takes quite some time to get legal approvement inside Oracle
to show something. Probably those guys simply didn't get their talks legally
approved in time.
BTW: There's a new implementation of JavaFX
If you add the pieces of information together (announced and then
shortly cancelled J1 talks), you perfectly get the right picture.
The *problem* certainly is not the technical part.
While I disagree that the RPi is just nerd stuff (the embedded market
is huge), I agree however that any further
Yes but the point is: that has nothing to do with a real „JavaFX community“.
Am 30.09.2013 um 10:03 schrieb Felix Bembrick felix.bembr...@gmail.com:
I am sure Oracle management get it. There are lots of issues here, not
just technical. I am sure they want to get it perfect before they
Performance differs depending on the browser. bck2brwsr is heavily optimized
for Chrome. The demos I've seen are running with 40-50FPS on Chrome but much
slower in Firefox. Performance on Chrome seemed definitely good enough to
create normal applications. Being aware that some things are not
I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet.
As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1
relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the
very last minute. I see this as a definite positive. To me that says that
they truly
Pardon? It’s not allowed to discuss with the JavaFX community the future of the
technology and community in their mailing list??? What’s up Hervé?
Am 30.09.2013 um 12:03 schrieb Hervé Girod herve.gi...@gmail.com:
It's not the place to talk politics here. If you want to channel your
Yes, perhaps Oracle have not yet grasped the degree of importance of
actively engaging the community in a project that is supposed to be
community-based.
I suspect the limited resources of the JavaFX team are working flat-out
just to get new versions released and to meet the targets for JFX8 and
Yes, but they use that for ADF mobile.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tobias Bley t...@ultramixer.com wrote:
Does Oracle really has an AOT based JVM for iOS and Android?
Am 30.09.2013 um 11:16 schrieb Udo Rader list...@bestsolution.at:
If you add the pieces of information together
I don’t think you. ADF mobile uses HTML5 as frontend, so there is no need to
execute JavaFX code on the client… maybe there is a J2ME based VM in ADF (like
Codename One do)
Am 30.09.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Ali Ebrahimi ali.ebrahimi1...@gmail.com:
Yes, but they use that for ADF mobile.
On
Hi,
@Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without choking
on it. Sure there
are many positive things about JavaFX but in the real world I can't be happy
over and over again about
the same things. A university can just devlop until a certain point, but we
have a
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:48:10 +0200, Felix Bembrick
felix.bembr...@gmail.com wrote:
I urge everyone *not* to walk away from JavaFX, at least not yet.
As has been pointed out, there were several sessions scheduled for J1
relating to JavaFX on mobiles and tablets that were only cancelled at the
Ok thx, than I will wait until there is this tooling support for JavaFX as well.
Am 30.09.2013 um 16:43 schrieb Anton Epple toni.ep...@eppleton.de:
bck2brwsr has really good tooling, and you can get started in less than an
hour. Here is a tutorial:
Hi guys,
I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it.
But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly
interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was
more frustrated that these sessions were cancelled than
Hello Matthias,
This is just how Oracle rolls, we have to get used to it. And actually it is
not that bad of an attitude; never make a promise you can't keep. When deliver,
deliver well. I'm in a project which communicates way to much to end users and
they keep being disappointed. I kinda
On 30/09/2013 17:38, Anton Epple wrote:
Hi guys,
I understand your frustration about the cancelled sessions, and I share it.
But when I talk to the engineers and see their posts here, they're clearly
interested in the same stuff we'd like to see in JavaFX. I guess nobody was
more
On 2013-09-30 18:27, John Hendrikx wrote:
To be honest, it is likely JavaFX already missed its window to become relevant on Android and iOS.
Maybe, but I've done my fair share of UI toolkits and JFX really has some great
features compared to the others (not counting layout - pun intended
2. Wow, there is a JavaFX enabled Dukepad. Beeing a soldering nerd myself,
hacking firmware and much cool stuff
in my spare time it really kicked me in the first place. Then I grounded when
I have seen that it was a childish puzzle
with lego blocks.
What?
The longer I think about that,
@Matthias, no, I am not kidding. Put your faith in the technology, not the
politics.
On 30 Sep 2013, at 22:03, Matthias Hänel hae...@ultramixer.com wrote:
Hi,
@Felix: you are kidding are you? We cannot take another breath without
choking on it. Sure there
are many positive things
@John, I do not believe it is too late for JavaFX on mobiles and tablets.
It is a far better UI toolkit and platform than anything else available on
those devices so if Oracle can get it to work well there then we are looking at
a potential world beater :-)
On 1 Oct 2013, at 2:27, John
I'm not an apologist for Oracle, but in their defense, I can't see any
commercial company telegraphing their punches by pre-announcing technology.
If you want support for those platforms, feel free fork the codebase and
write it. I'd be satisified if we could get high-priority bugs and
The sessions aren't up yet from the looks of it. It would be great to get an
overall roundup of any new announcements or directions in any case. Given this
is the developer community network it would make sense in my mind to highlight
stuff like that in here.
For me, I'd love it if someone
The sessions, I think, are all being uploaded to Parley's
(http://www.parleys.com), although I don't see any content there yet (not sure
how long it will take them to post-process, but usually it is pretty fast).
Richard
On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Daniel Zwolenski zon...@gmail.com wrote:
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