Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Thierry Carrez wrote: > As announced previously[1][2], there were no PTL candidates within the > election deadline for a number of official OpenStack project teams: > Astara, UX, OpenStackSalt and Security. > > In the Astara case, the current team working on it would like to abandon > the project

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Sorry for the top post - fyi, i've submitted a review for OpenStackSalt https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377906/ -- Dims On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > On 22/09/16 17:15 -0400, Anita Kuno wrote: >> >> On 16-09-21 01:11 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >>>

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 22/09/16 17:15 -0400, Anita Kuno wrote: On 16-09-21 01:11 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2016-09-21 08:56:24 -0700: I think it might also be useful if we could make the meeting bot remind teams of any pending actions they need to take such as elections upon

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Hiya, On 24/09/2016 03:46, Mike Perez wrote: On 11:03 Sep 21, Doug Hellmann wrote: A separate mailing list just for “important announcements” would need someone to decide what is “important”. It would also need everyone to be subscribed, or we would have to cross-post to the existing list.

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

+1! The security project adds tremendous value to OpenStack. Regards -steve From: Doug Hellmann Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" Date: Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:35 AM To: openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 11:03 Sep 21, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Filip Pytloun > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > it's definately our bad that we missed elections in OpenStackSalt > > project. Reason is similar to Rob's - we are active on different > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Rob C's message of 2016-09-23 17:46:46 +0100: > I wanted to provide a quick update from Security. > > We had our weekly IRC meeting yesterday, dhellman was kind enough to attend > to help broker some of the discussion. In advance of the meeting I prepared > a blog post where I tried

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 13:17 Sep 21, Rob C wrote: > For my part, I missed the elections, that's my bad. I normally put a > calendar item in for that issue. I don't think that my missing the election > date should result in the group being treated in this way. Members of the > TC have contacted me about unrelated

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

I wanted to provide a quick update from Security. We had our weekly IRC meeting yesterday, dhellman was kind enough to attend to help broker some of the discussion. In advance of the meeting I prepared a blog post where I tried to articulate my position and where I think things need to go next

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Steven, Fair point. Thanks, Dims On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: > Dims, > > This isn’t any of my particular business except it could affect emerging > technology projects (which I find important to OpenStack’s future) negatively > – so I

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Dims, This isn’t any of my particular business except it could affect emerging technology projects (which I find important to OpenStack’s future) negatively – so I thought I’d chime in. A lack of activity in a specs repo doesn’t mean much to me. For example, as Kolla was an emerging project

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 16-09-21 01:11 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2016-09-21 08:56:24 -0700: Excerpts from Filip Pytloun's message of 2016-09-21 14:58:52 +0200: Hello, it's definately our bad that we missed elections in OpenStackSalt project. Reason is similar to Rob's - we

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

  -Original Message- From: Filip Pytloun Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Date: September 22, 2016 at 10:34:00 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 16-09-22 11:32 AM, Filip Pytloun wrote: If there's more we can do, we are available at Freenode/#openstack-salt. I think this right here is your issue. Believing it is the responsibility of the tc or other leaders to find you. It isn't. Be available on #openstack-dev at the very least.

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Thank you for your feedback - this is first one since we joined Big Tent and very useful. On 2016/09/21 17:08, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Data points so far are: > 1. No response during Barcelona planning for rooms > 2. Lack of candidates for PTL election > 3. No activity in the releases/

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 16-09-21 05:08 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Jakub, Please see below. On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Jakub Pavlik wrote: Hello all, it took us 2 years of hard working to get these official. OpenStack-Salt is now used by around 40 production deployments and it is

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

"My answer would be -that- is the most ideal scenario. I care about OpenStack and ensuring quality projects have adequate representation so I checked to see which ones didn't have anyone defined for leadership and picked one to step in and help, assuming no one was able to fill that role for that

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 2016-09-21 22:53:10 +0100 (+0100), Dave Walker wrote: > On 21 September 2016 at 22:41, Kyle Mestery wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Thierry Carrez > > wrote: > > > I privately received information that explains why the PTL was > > > not

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Dave Walker's message of 2016-09-21 22:53:10 +0100: > On 21 September 2016 at 22:41, Kyle Mestery wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Thierry Carrez > > wrote: > > > Chivers, Doug wrote: > > >> My concern is with the original

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 21 September 2016 at 22:41, Kyle Mestery wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Thierry Carrez > wrote: > > Chivers, Doug wrote: > >> My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward > there would be to remove the "Security

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Chivers, Doug wrote: >> My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward there >> would be to remove the "Security project team"”. >> >> This seems like a move to instantly reduce investment in

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 2016-09-21 10:18:58 -0700 (-0700), Morgan Fainberg wrote: [...] > For what it is worth the VMT had some discussion about this and in the case > the security team was/is dissolved/moved to a WG we will take some action > and make some proposals to handle the situation so we have a nice place to

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Jakub, Please see below. On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Jakub Pavlik wrote: > Hello all, > > it took us 2 years of hard working to get these official. OpenStack-Salt is > now used by around 40 production deployments and it is focused very on > operation and

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Please see below. On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Chivers, Doug wrote: >> My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward there >> would be to remove the "Security project team"”. >> >> This seems like a move to instantly reduce

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Hello all, We have our weekly OSSP IRC meeting tomorrow at 1700UTC (1200 Central) in #openstack-meeting-alt. This thread has raised some important issues, and we will devote a significant portion of our meeting to discussing them. My IRC handle is "ccneill" on freenode if you'd like to get in

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Chivers, Doug wrote: > My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward there > would be to remove the "Security project team"”. > > This seems like a move to instantly reduce investment in OpenStack security, > because the majority of members of the Security Project are

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Jakub Pavlik wrote: > it took us 2 years of hard working to get these official. OpenStack-Salt > is now used by around 40 production deployments and it is focused very > on operation and popularity is growing. You are removing the project > week after one of top contributor announced that they

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Travis, My answer would be -that- is the most ideal scenario. I care about OpenStack and ensuring quality projects have adequate representation so I checked to see which ones didn't have anyone defined for leadership and picked one to step in and help, assuming no one was able to fill that role

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Hello all, it took us 2 years of hard working to get these official. OpenStack-Salt is now used by around 40 production deployments and it is focused very on operation and popularity is growing. You are removing the project week after one of top contributor announced that they will use that

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Filip Pytloun's message of 2016-09-21 20:36:42 +0200: > On 2016/09/21 13:23, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > The idea of splitting the contributor list comes up pretty regularly > > and we rehash the same suggestions each time. Given that what we > > have now worked fine for 57 of the 59

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

"So all this said, there are individuals interested in the PTL role to ensure project teams have someone handling the logistics and coordination. My issue however was that I was not yet eligible to be a candidate which I'll remedy moving forward. I'm still interested in serving as a PTL for a

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Chivers, Doug's message of 2016-09-21 18:20:35 +: > My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward there > would be to remove the "Security project team"”. > > This seems like a move to instantly reduce investment in OpenStack security, > because the

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 21 September 2016 at 19:20, Chivers, Doug wrote: > My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward there > would be to remove the "Security project team"”. > > This seems like a move to instantly reduce investment in OpenStack > security, because the

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 2016/09/21 13:23, Doug Hellmann wrote: > The idea of splitting the contributor list comes up pretty regularly > and we rehash the same suggestions each time. Given that what we > have now worked fine for 57 of the 59 offical teams (the Astara > team knew in advance it would not have a PTL

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

My concern is with the original wording “The suggested way forward there would be to remove the "Security project team"”. This seems like a move to instantly reduce investment in OpenStack security, because the majority of members of the Security Project are corporately funded, which will be

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Filip Pytloun's message of 2016-09-21 17:43:46 +0200: > Hello, > > > With 59 separate teams, even emailing the PTLs directly is becoming > > impractical. I can’t imagine trying to email all of the core members > > directly. > > > > A separate mailing list just for “important

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On Sep 21, 2016 09:37, "Adam Lawson" wrote: > > But something else struck me, the velocity and sheer NUMBER of emails that must be filtered to find and extract these key announcements is tricky so I don't fault anyone for missing the needle in the haystack. Important needle no

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Agreed entirely with Travis's points. I think it was a given to anyone within the OSSP that Rob would be our PTL going forward. I recognize that the community needs feedback to make these decisions, but I am in our IRC channel 5 days a week, at least 8 hours a day, and I have never seen any

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2016-09-21 08:56:24 -0700: > Excerpts from Filip Pytloun's message of 2016-09-21 14:58:52 +0200: > > Hello, > > > > it's definately our bad that we missed elections in OpenStackSalt > > project. Reason is similar to Rob's - we are active on different > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

You know something that struck me, I noticed there were several teams last cycle that did not elect a PTL so this round I was watching to see if any teams did not have a PTL elected and presumed it was because of many of the reasons surfaced in previous emails in this thread including being heads

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

But something else struck me, the velocity and sheer NUMBER of emails that must be filtered to find and extract these key announcements is tricky so I don't fault anyone for missing the needle in the haystack. Important needle no doubt but I wonder if there are more efficient ways to ensure

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Ouch. I'd be among the first to admit I don't keep up with dev ML as I should. Missing the PTL elections is certainly embarrassing for us and it shouldn't be the community's job to baby-sit us and make sure we're meeting our OpenStack deadlines. That being said, relegating us to a working group

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Hello, > With 59 separate teams, even emailing the PTLs directly is becoming > impractical. I can’t imagine trying to email all of the core members directly. > > A separate mailing list just for “important announcements” would need someone > to decide what is “important”. It would also need

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Filip Pytloun's message of 2016-09-21 14:58:52 +0200: > Hello, > > it's definately our bad that we missed elections in OpenStackSalt > project. Reason is similar to Rob's - we are active on different > channels (mostly IRC as we keep regular meetings) and don't used to > reading

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

On 09/21/2016 05:17 AM, Rob C wrote: > Apart from missing elections, I think we do a huge amount for the community > and removing us from OpenStack would in no way be beneficial to either the > Security Project or OpenStack as a whole. I definitely agree with Rob here and I support keeping the

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Filip Pytloun wrote: > > Hello, > > it's definately our bad that we missed elections in OpenStackSalt > project. Reason is similar to Rob's - we are active on different > channels (mostly IRC as we keep regular meetings) and don't used

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Excerpts from Rob C's message of 2016-09-21 13:17:07 +0100: > For my part, I missed the elections, that's my bad. I normally put a > calendar item in for that issue. I don't think that my missing the election > date should result in the group being treated in this way. Members of the > TC have

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

  -Original Message- From: Rob C Reply: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Date: September 21, 2016 at 07:19:40 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

Hello, it's definately our bad that we missed elections in OpenStackSalt project. Reason is similar to Rob's - we are active on different channels (mostly IRC as we keep regular meetings) and don't used to reading mailing lists with lots of generic topics (it would be good to have separate

Re: [openstack-dev] [security] [salt] Removal of Security and OpenStackSalt project teams from the Big Tent

For my part, I missed the elections, that's my bad. I normally put a calendar item in for that issue. I don't think that my missing the election date should result in the group being treated in this way. Members of the TC have contacted me about unrelated things recently, I have always been