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Sent: 30 May 2002 00:56
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thanks for the citation-- i now recall george had written me about
Dear Geoff:
You quote this text:
I'm not sure of all the Yalkut's sources here but
here is what we find:yalkut Jeremiah preserves: some say
their daughters married priests and their grandchildren offered
sacrifices--
Your reply was:
this doesnt make rechabites priests at all-- lineage
George Brooks wrote:
Can anyone provide the FULL texts of BOTH citations?
I'm sure it would help advance the discussion.
May I politely suggest, given that it's your interest that you want to see
pursued here, that you be the one to do the leg work on this one?
Surely, Tampa has libraries
George Brooks wrote:
Can anyone provide the FULL texts of BOTH citations?
I'm sure it would help advance the discussion.
May I politely suggest, given that it's your interest that you want to see
pursued here, that you be the one to do the leg work on this one?
Surely, Tampa has libraries
Dr. Altman,
Thank you for your response. Included in it was your
comment:
There are things we simply cannot know -- not now, not ever. What a
dead author was thinking when he wrote something must forever rest
in the realm of the unknowable. Accept it.
This pretty much applies to everything
George,
...and no doubt quasi-religious is probably a more useful term.
Quasi-religious is not merely a more useful term, it is, for a change,
an extremely accurate term.
All, repeat *all*, craft and/or skill clans/guilds/corporations/etc. are
quasi-religious. An ancient clan craftmaster or
I haven't been following this thred too much, but something just struck me
in this message. In Mesopotamia there are guilds and they take loyalty
oaths. David Weisberg studied this genre in his PhD dissertation,
published on the YNER series.
the Mesopotamian craftsmen who produced cult statues in
Dr. Altman,
You wrote:
These clans were not guild-like; they **WERE** guilds [emphasis mine]
with whatever specialty upon which they were economically dependent
passed down within the clan/guild and whose secrets were guarded by
the clan craftmaster. The role of clan craftmaster has nothing
George,
It's easy to explain why quasi-religious is an accurate term to describe
craft-clans and guilds. It's also easy enough to explain why the teacher/
guardian role of craftmaster can be confused with a priestly role.
But your question is unanswerable by anybody except the Talmudists and
Ian Hutchesson writes:
The book of Jeremiah is clear about the fact that the house of the
Rechabites was not a priesthood. The book says much about priests,
so there is no reticence at all talking of priests, so, if the
Rechabites had been priests, there is no reason for them not to
have
in many bookstores).
David Suter
Saint Martin's College
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In anycase
David,
Thank you for your clarifying that you said quasi-religious
rather than mystic. I stand correctedand no doubt quasi-
religious is probably a more useful term.
I will get to the Anchor Bible Dictionary article ASAP. I look
forward to reading about the religious links between Rechab
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Jeffrey wrote about the Rechabite passage from Eusebius:
More accurate
Dear David,
Thank you for your response.
First off, you ask me about my comment to Jeffrey. You
write: I think that you'reunfair to Jeffrey to demand that he
support you rather than BLOCK you.
Perhaps you have not had the pleasure of reading Jeffrey's
posts to ANY of my lines of inquiry on
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From: Geoff Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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On page 999 of JBJ, note 22, Eisenman writes: 'followed
by the tradition
Ian writes:
On page 229 of JBJ Eisenman writes We shall see below how the
Rabbinic tradition also connects these Rechabites [..] with the
High Priest or High Priest class... Then on page 241 he writes If
we keep in mind the Rabbinic notices above that the sons or
daughters of the Rechabites
extraordinarily generous towards converts-- but that does not
mean any converts were priests. of course, they were not.
Herb
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Herb Basser wrote:
thanks for the citation-- i now recall george had written me about this
months ago and i saw the passage but forgot about it until geoff brought it
tou our attention again. I'm not sure of all the Yalkut's sources here but
here is what we find:
yalkut Jeremiah preserves:
Herb,
It's not clear to me you are looking at the right footnote or footnotes.
Do you have the JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS book?
And if you do, can you cite the footnote that Eisenman quotes
in support of the marriage into the lineage of the High Priest?
The footnotes were about marriage not
Prof. Suter,
The view that the Rechabites were craftsmen in general is quite
well established. But I'm not quite certain why you think these
crafts preclude any capacity in Levitical or Priestly service.
Priests made things in the service of Yahweh. so why wouldn't
a priest be a metal
College
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Prof. Suter,
The view that the Rechabites were
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Herb,
It's not clear to me you are looking at the right footnote or footnotes.
Do you have the JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS book?
And if you do
Dear David Suter,
You are correct. I did miss your response. Thank you for taking
the time to re-send it. My responses are below:
You write:
The Rechabites as a priesthood seems unlikely. They are more likely
smiths (the meaning of the name Cain), with their customs to be
explained by
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Sent: 28 May 2002 05:29
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David Suter wrote:
The Rechabites as a priesthood seems unlikely.
George
Geoff Hudson wrote:
So how does one explain the almost incidental remark about priestly
Rechabites in Eusebius' history (2.23) and said to have been written by
Hegesippus?:
'While they pelted him (James) with stones, one of the descendants of Rechab
the son of the Rechabim -- the PRIESTLY
Prof. Gibson provides some ideas regarding the interpretation of
the Eusebius reference to the Rechabim.
He writes:
One explains it first by noting that you rely too heavily not on the
actual text of Eusebius, but on a particular English translation of it
(that of
G.A. Williamson) that is
George,
You apparently missed my response to your thesis (see below).
David Suter
Saint Martin's College
The Rechabites as a priesthood seems unlikely. They are more likely
smiths (the meaning of the name Cain), with their customs to be
explained by the demands of their trade rather than a
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