Title: SV: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
Please, drop this damn thread.
The list is obviosly not censured, just a bit sucky.
No one will wake up next to a swedish meatball smeared with cowberry jam and mashed potatoes..
Stop accusing people of being paranoid etc, it only floods
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Joseph,
You see, Joseph, it's this kind of humor that makes people think of waking
up next to their favorite racehorse's head.
Not sure what your point is, here, pardner. After all, I was saying this
My point is that some slow people, like me,
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Joseph,
Generally, I agree, but...
I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but
if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a
At 02:18 AM 6/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Joseph,
Generally, I agree, but...
I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc,
but
if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
the gurus, who will
Their j2ee implementations seemed like a bunch of open source glued
together. Throw in the oddDuck idea of running ejb's inside the db
server and it's no wonder they threw it away. Perhaps because they
couldn't give it away.
_
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Sure, I can understand this -- good thing we have orionsupport.com, which
isn't affiliated with Ironflare. This is why I've never been willing to
advertise anything on orionsupport, and why I'm not directly affiliated in
any way with Ironflare -
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Seriously, smartass, I'd like a 'yes' or 'no' answer from you: do you
really think the CIA doesn't monitor the web?
I'm not a smartass. I'm just out to get you :-)
From Catch-22:
They're trying to kill me, Yossarian told him calmly.
Joseph B. Ottinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
[...]
Greetings,
I respectfully request that those carrying on the conspiracy thread of
discussion please take it off-list. It has comprised, I estimate, at
least 50% of the orion-interest list the past few days.
Thanks!
Joseph,
At 12:57 PM 6/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Sure, I can understand this -- good thing we have orionsupport.com, which
isn't affiliated with Ironflare. This is why I've never been willing to
advertise anything on orionsupport, and why I'm not
I apologize to the group for responding in kind to a personal flame that
was off topic. I am well aware it's off topic, but you and Jeff made a
personal attack.
As usual, you have avoided the facts. I'm happy to take this one off line
with you, just as soon as you publicly apologize for your
We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but
all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal
madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines
that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly?
Hani
On a different note concerning the Oracle deal:
I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One
news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's
little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could
have produced all sorts
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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:30 PM
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...paranoia...]
Have you ever considered that maybe your communications are being
intercepted and preprocessed by a CIA computer? Do you hear clicking
noises
What is your point?
Johan
- Original Message -
From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag
We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal,
but
all we seem
Nathan,
A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is
relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
something like that), then had to remove that claim from the
: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
Nathan,
A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is
relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
something like
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Oracle deal gag
Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue.
I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to
respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this
thread and it's not showing up.
At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
Haha, I know... Hani
,
Jay
--- Johan Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is your point?
Johan
- Original Message -
From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag
We've all tried presenting
If I recall correctly, BEA did not challenge them (Ironflare/Evermind)with any numbers
of their
own, they just wanted them to remove their BEA reference. That would have appeared to
have been
just an action by BEA spin doctors and the legal department. So I will be interested
when Oracle
runs
Enough!
-Original Message-
From: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:40 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Oracle deal gag
What is your point?
Johan
- Original Message -
From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
Nathan,
A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is
relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
something like that),
Wow, I never realized engineers had become so immature!
Can we stop filling our mailboxes with junk? Get off the stupid list if
you're so unhappy! You have a choice! Stay on the boat and can it, or get
off the boat to something that will make you happier!
R
Robert S. Sfeir
Director of
.
Regards,
the elephantwalker
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 10:22 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
Nathan,
A lot of what you're saying is true. I
Joseph,
Generally, I agree, but...
I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but
if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart,
and a dump).
And usually if
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:53 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag... but on a different note.
J,
I am an oracle customer. All you have to do is call support, and they answer
questions about orion. They also have good
]
Subject: Oracle deal gag
Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue.
I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to
respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this
thread and it's not showing up.
At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
Haha, I know... Hani just said we should bitch so I
From: Jay Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EW,
[snip]
After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread
(RE: Oracle deal) also went through fine, but none of them were critical
of Ironflare. In fact, all of them either told me to shut up (Greg
Stickley and Hani Suleiman,
Jay,
Might I say in advance that I've read your posts in the past and they are
good, however this one is severly off the mark and badly wrong in judgement.
After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread
(RE: Oracle deal) also went through fine, but none of them
Orion.
Regards,
the elephantwalker
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J Armstrong
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:50 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Oracle deal gag
Just for fun, try bitching about
-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag
EW,
The message to which you replied has a slightly different title and is from
my alternate email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED], not [EMAIL PROTECTED]). It
went through just fine.
After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread
(RE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:54 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag
Okay, EW. I'll agree that some things are apparently not getting through.
They can write a great J2EE product, but can't get
From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...paranoia...]
Have you ever considered that maybe your communications are being
intercepted and preprocessed by a CIA computer? Do you hear clicking
noises every time you pick up the phone?
You have accidentally sumbled across The Swedish
...CLIP...
If it's a list problem, okay, but how can we possibly know? Time will
tell,...
...CLIP...
Since you are even able to say Time will tell why don't you just wait and
see if Ironflare's personality changes over time instead of assuming the
worst.
Even paranoid people have enemies.
I've never suggested a conspiracy. The response I got from Karl was an
immediate reaction to my comment that their testing was done for free. Now
testing/bug reporting by the open community will directly help Oracle.
Try dealing with facts. Six months ago,
Well, you're kinda asking for it, but your credentials clearly show why
you're so paranoid and are on very, umm, thin ground when it comes to
mental well being.
We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but
all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your
Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue.
I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to
respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this
thread and it's not showing up.
At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
Haha, I know... Hani just said we should bitch so I
did :P
- Phillip
---
...don't blame Orion.
Regards,
the elephantwalker
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J Armstrong
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:50 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Oracle deal gag
Just for fun, try bitching about
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