Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-20 Thread Paul Martz
In the category of beyond 2.4, the community can look forward to an OpenFlight export plugin. Should be submitted to OSG sometime in the February-April '08 timeframe. So maybe it'll be in 2.6. Its capabilities are pretty limited at the moment, but what is working works well and looks promising.

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-19 Thread Lucas Goss
Any volunteers, pretty please ;-) Ask you and shall receive! :) Hell, less than 24 hours is a pretty decent turnaround time... Beat me to it... thanks. I was going to ask the same questions I saw in your comments... should the interface restore the original display mode in the destructor or

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-19 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: Yep its working in 2.2, osgViewer is more rounded and complete in 2.2 than 2.0, and in SVN its a little bit further on still. Note quite viewer/windowing nirvana yet, but the closest the OSG has come in its history. Ah,

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-19 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Moles wrote: On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 20:35 +, Robert Osfield wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 7:47 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess RandR it is then, because some people voiced the support for changing the resolution on the fly. RandR

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-19 Thread Jeremy Moles
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 22:13 +0100, Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Moles wrote: On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 20:35 +, Robert Osfield wrote: On Dec 18, 2007 7:47 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess RandR it is then, because some people

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Robert, Robert Osfield wrote: An external script that invokes the 3D app only works when entering an application, not once its running, so it does have a bit of limited applicability. I understand that, however, how often do you need to change

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Jan, On Dec 18, 2007 1:22 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An external script that invokes the 3D app only works when entering an application, not once its running, so it does have a bit of limited applicability. I understand that, however, how often do you need to change

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Lucas Goss
That could work, but I am not sure whether it is actually worth the trouble - the original poster only wanted to change the resolution before starting the application, not during runtime, so this could be an overkill. Perhaps a poll to figure out whether this is a one-off request or a

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Rizzen
For many games (particular on Windows of yesteryears) and applications, I have changed resolutions and 3D effects once the application or game has started depending on the frame rate performance. Thus if possible it would be best to implement a feature into OSG to change resolution, though how

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Lucas Goss
For many games (particular on Windows of yesteryears) and applications, I have changed resolutions and 3D effects once the application or game has started depending on the frame rate performance. Thus if possible it would be best to implement a feature into OSG to change resolution, though

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: RandR support would be a reasonable way forward. SGI and other older workstation class machines are not so prone to users wishing to change resolution - Once I had 1280x1024 on an SGI Indigo Elan back in 92 this didn't

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-18 Thread Robert Osfield
On Dec 18, 2007 7:47 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess RandR it is then, because some people voiced the support for changing the resolution on the fly. RandR is the only reasonable way how to do this on Unix at the moment. The older X extensions change resolution, but do not

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-17 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lucas Goss wrote: Hmm, that might be alright, though I don't really like writing shell scripts, haha. Of course if that is an advantage for some they can still do it that way, they don't have to use OSG's implementation. But it would be nice to

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-17 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Jan, On Dec 17, 2007 7:21 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason for SDL's craziness and why I have suggested a shell script is easy - you can make a some kind of X hack that works on your computer using one extension, but I compile the program on my computer and it is very

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-17 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Jan, On Dec 17, 2007 8:21 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be quite a hackery, IMO. Are you going to handle all the issues with path, detection whether certain binaries are available or not and potentially which versions they are in the application code? An external script

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-16 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: Hi Lucas, On Dec 14, 2007 9:46 PM, Lucas Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to implement setScreenResolution for X11? Was it left out because it requires an X11 extension? I have some linux machines that

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-16 Thread Lucas Goss
Setting screen resolution isn't straight forward with X11 unfornately, if it had been it'd already have been done. The generic interface for setting resolution is in place, and implementation is done for Win32, but on the X11 side we did a volunteer to go forth and implement it. Hmm,

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-15 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Lucas, On Dec 14, 2007 9:46 PM, Lucas Goss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to implement setScreenResolution for X11? Was it left out because it requires an X11 extension? I have some linux machines that have older video cards that run the desktop ok at higher resolutions, but

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-14 Thread Lucas Goss
Would it be possible to implement setScreenResolution for X11? Was it left out because it requires an X11 extension? I have some linux machines that have older video cards that run the desktop ok at higher resolutions, but run 3D much faster if the resolution is scaled down. Lucas

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Halliday wrote: I've been using osgswig ( http://code.google.com/p/osgswig/ ) for a project on a cave-type system combining python, vrjuggler, and osg. osgswig supports python, ruby, java and lua, although I've only played with the python

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Daly wrote: osgCal/Replicant are great, provided that you want to use Cal3D characters only. Why? Where is a problem about taking a character/animation from Collada and creating the Cal3D skeleton structure from it on loading? That is what

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vladimir Shabanov wrote: Yes, it has different implementation. But what about skeletal character with morphing face and maybe some particles around his body (imagine a small devil). Different rendering methods are tightly coupled here. And their

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jeremy, Jeremy Moles wrote: Nothing more was ever implied given the code provided, so I'm not sure why you even brought this up? The example is clearly a purposefully succinct and shortened summation. What brings it up to speed is adding

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-12 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vladimir Shabanov wrote: As I said before cal3d meshes are not used by osgCal for performance and memory usage reasons. They are used at export stage to generate ready to direct load meshes file. For compability loading from cal3d .cmf-files is

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread John Donovan
Robert Osfield wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 6:31 AM, J.P. Delport [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could we get support for multiple render targets (MRT) integrated into 2.4? I know some people are using hacky patches for this. Some patches have been submitted, but they have to be reworked. I can help

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread J.P. Delport
Hi, John Donovan wrote: Robert Osfield wrote: If we can get a clean set of patches to support MRT then I'm for reviewing/merging them :-) Mea culpa... I implemented JP's hack into my source and it worked for what I needed it for. Then I submitted a half-baked patch which Robert was right

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Jeremy Moles
On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 09:18 +, Robert Osfield wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 8:27 PM, Jeremy Moles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that should be kept in mind when using Cal3D is that in it's current state, Cal3D isn't a skeletal system alone--it's a skeletal animation system+mesh format,

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: On Dec 10, 2007 8:27 PM, Jeremy Moles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that should be kept in mind when using Cal3D is that in it's current state, Cal3D isn't a skeletal system alone--it's a skeletal animation system+mesh

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Vladimir Shabanov
2007/12/10, Jeremy Moles [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I noticed there was a lot of Cal3D discussion going on here so I'd figure I'd chime in and say a few things. I have write access to Cal3D SVN I obtained a year or so ago when Palle Raabjerg and myself rewrote the Cal3D Blender exporter, which we

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Vladimir Shabanov
2007/12/11, Jeremy Moles [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How big is Cal3D? I ask in terms how much effort would it be required to reimplement the unique parts not found in the core OSG? It's hard to say--there's a lot of code in Cal3D supporting the mesh format, XML loading, matrices, vectors,

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Vladimir Shabanov
2007/12/9, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am not sure what are you referring to when speaking about keyframe animation, though. Do you mean 3D morphing of meshes? I would keep that separate, it is a completely different beast with different problems than skeletal animation. Animation of an

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Jason Daly
Jan Ciger wrote: However, it doesn't solve any of the animation and skinning issues and is completely useless by itself. I cannot imagine somebody bringing it up to speed with other kits from this alone, for that you need something actually usable to start from. This is why e.g. osgCharacter

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread James Halliday
Jan Ciger wrote: Actually, I think that the focus should be on providing a meaningful API to export to these languages. That could even mean a wrapper in order to eliminate/minimize usage of pointers and some C++ functionality that is difficult to translate (templates?). Once you have that,

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-11 Thread Anders Backman
Just want to share my experience with using Lua for building applications. We have been using Lua fo building applications for quite some years now. THe binding is using tolua++ where we have exported most of osg, openal++, osgal, replicantbody, physics library etc... We took the path of

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-10 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Cedric, On Dec 10, 2007 10:48 AM, Cedric Pinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not like to have those node kit in the core of osg, because the functionnality they provide is not the core of osg, they are adaptators for others libs, and for me it should be a nodekit in a third party. The

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-10 Thread Jeremy Moles
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 14:07 +, Robert Osfield wrote: Hi All, After a two month break I'm now doing a purge of the submissions backlog. I doubt I'll get all the way through before Monday, but on Monday I'll tag the first dev release since 2.2 stable was made. This dev release will be

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-10 Thread J.P. Delport
Hi, could we get support for multiple render targets (MRT) integrated into 2.4? I know some people are using hacky patches for this. Some patches have been submitted, but they have to be reworked. I can help with this if needed. regards jp Robert Osfield wrote: Hi All, After a two month

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi Paul, On Dec 8, 2007 4:48 PM, Paul Martz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is one Node, OcclusionQueryNode, derived from Group. This node has a few supporting classes that aren't exported. It also has a handful of small NodeVisitors for utility purposes. If we put this Node in a NodeKit rather

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Robert Osfield
On Dec 8, 2007 9:12 PM, Anders Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that osgAL is working rather well with osg as for now. OpenAL++ is a rather healthy abstraction rather than integrating OpenAL directly into osg... You get support for ogg-vorbis, streaming sound, capture (from input

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Anders Backman
Yes osgAL is tied with OpenAL++ And with Cmake it would be rather easy to make the ogg/vorbis integration a simple choice in the Cmake gui. /Anders On Dec 9, 2007 1:28 PM, Robert Osfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jan, On Dec 8, 2007 7:11 PM, Jan Ciger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rizzen wrote: Good points Jan, though maybe we should have a compromise here. Thus OSG supports two scripting languages, the best one for each scenario. Scenario 1: Have Lua for embedded scripting via osgLua, which would go well for the gaming

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: I am aware of both osgCal and ReplicantBody body am not very familiar with the code bases/current feature sets. I would like to see consolidation of related functionality. There is also the osgCharacter library out in the

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: I have been thinking about physics integration as well, but not suggested it on this round as there wasn't a contender sitting of the shelf ready to integrate. Longer term I'd like to see physics integration, ideally in a

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Anders, Anders Backman wrote: If the new osgCal, or whatever name it will have can make benefit of a tight osg connection, together with the high-level functionality of rbody, I think this is a good start. Then when its working, it can

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-09 Thread Jean-Sébastien Guay
Hello Anders and Jan, I agree, the most logical path (and I think we have discussed this quite a few times before) is to merge osgCal (with its better rendering back-end), with the higher functionality of ReplicantBody. That would be excellent! I am sure I am not the only one who wanted at

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Martz
be a showstopper for 2.4 integration. -Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Osfield Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:08 AM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it. Hi All

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Robert Osfield
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Osfield Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:08 AM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it. Hi All, After a two month break I'm now doing a purge of the submissions backlog. I doubt

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Paul Martz
To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it. Hi All, After a two month break I'm now doing a purge of the submissions backlog. I doubt I'll get all the way through before Monday, but on Monday I'll tag the first dev release

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Panagiotis Papadakos
Hi! Any chance for http://lists.openscenegraph.org/pipermail/osg-users-openscenegraph.org/2007-October/003523.html Regards Panagiotis Papadakos ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org

[osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Robert Osfield
Hi All, After a two month break I'm now doing a purge of the submissions backlog. I doubt I'll get all the way through before Monday, but on Monday I'll tag the first dev release since 2.2 stable was made. This dev release will be 2.3.0 and be the first concrete step towards the final 2.4.

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Jan Ciger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Osfield wrote: Hi All, After a two month break I'm now doing a purge of the submissions backlog. I doubt I'll get all the way through before Monday, but on Monday I'll tag the first dev release since 2.2 stable was made. This dev

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread KSpam
My own short list for contenders for integration are: osgOQ - Occlusion Querry support osgCal - Cal3D integration osgAL - OpenAL integration osgEphemeris would be a nice node kit to integrate for 2.4 as well. ___ osg-users mailing list

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Anders Backman
I would say that osgAL is working rather well with osg as for now. OpenAL++ is a rather healthy abstraction rather than integrating OpenAL directly into osg... You get support for ogg-vorbis, streaming sound, capture (from input devices) etc... So I don't thing integrating osgAL would introduce

Re: [osg-users] Looking towards 2.4, and what might go into it.

2007-12-08 Thread Rizzen
Jan Ciger wrote: One has to ask which scripting languages to go for - Lua and/or Python? Lua would be the easiest to integrate in terms of being very self contained i.e. which could stick the whole of the lua interpreter into the core OSG distribution and one would hardly notice as its