Andrea can I put this info on my home birth forum?
Best wishes,
Janet
Joyous Birth and Accessing Artemis
Home birth network and birth trauma recovery.
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women who contact us.
I look forward to seeing some more on this great list! We have a deep
commitment to birth activism so the NMAP and indemnity issues are big topics
for us and we have links on the forum to those.
Best wishes,
Janet Fraser
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. Anyone know anyone
real life around here?
Nicola
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:37 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New to list - Hi
Hi Nicola
Hi Sally
there's also Penny Simkin's book called something like When survivors give
birth.
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] sexual abuse and labour
Can someone help me with a
question about this? There was a study done on nasal inhalation of syntocinon
acting a little like the real deal oxytocin and inducing a trusting emotional
state in the sniffer.
Does syntocinon cross into the
I don't know what mechanically
delivered means unless they mean using instruments. However the radmid site has
great links to stories and pics of face presentations.
J
How incredibly beautiful and
inspiring! Congratulations to her from Joyous Birth!
J
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From:
Tania
Smallwood
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 2:28
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] new baby for SA
midwife of the
I find this website very helpful for info on larger women and pregnancy.
Cheers,
J
http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/
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Hi all,
I've tried emailing but had no
success. Does anyone know if the group is still operating? I'm looking for
details for the Joyous Birth website. We're doing a state by state breakdown of
hb groups. So anyone else who wants a listing, please contact me!
Best,
J
Joyous Birth Home Birth
On a related issue, I find
this to be an invaluable resource.
http://www.cordclamping.com/
It has some great info on
physiological 3rd stage as well as the dangers of early cord clamping. All OBs
could use this info. I'm startled by how many hospitals think pulling on a cord
is ok???!!!
Hi all,
a woman at 25 weeks gestation
has asked me about being induced around the 35-36 week mark. Her asthma has been
extremely severe during this pregnancy, resulting in a number of admissions to
hospital and she is taking lots of steroids. Her OB is saying induction is
warranted because
pelvis in the last few weeks of pregnancy - wouldn't that make more room
for her lungs?
Good question, Jo. I'll tell
her to ask her OB and see what happens...
J
Sorry folks but I was away and
my puter deleted the replies I got.
Can you respond again if you
were so kind as to respond the first time?
Thanks!
J
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From: Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: Home
This dad then
told them that he believed in the benefit of allowing the cord to stop pulsating
before cutting it and that he would sue them if they cut the cord unnecessarily.
This is pretty much what I
teach women about birth although I don't recommend suing all that often ;-). I
Hi all,
I've had such a huge response
I'm going to list what I currently have and you can just tell me what you'd
like.
Happy to help in any way with
other topics if you need them. I have usually made them up for women asking
specific questions.
Stuff I've written is about hb, natural
Dear all,
I have put the information on
my forum. You don't need to be a member to access them or cut and paste from the
site.
Bear in mind that we advertise
midwives and birth attendants/doulasfor free here so if you'd like us to
advertise you, we recommend you join us! We love having
: Re: [ozmidwifery] physiological 3rd stage
Could I bother you for a copy too?? Thankyou :)
Holly
JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Janet Fraser wrote:
This dad then told them that he believed in the benefit of allowing
the cord to stop pulsating before cutting
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From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] physiological 3rd stage
This dad then told them that he believed in the benefit of allowing the
cord to stop pulsating before cutting
As a consumer I'm finding this very intriguing. I was given suppositories in
the OR then nothing but panadol thereafter and went home the same day. I was
offered a huge C class drug to take home (and assured it didn't cross into
bm despite asking directly - big lie there) but I never took them. I
Do you know what she means? Was it one of those ugly OB dystocia moves?
I'm not sure what to offer with only that info. More please!
:D
J
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Yes to what everyone else said :D It's still not entirely clear how the
collar bone was broken, or am I missing something?
I would add in -
* practising optimal foetal positioning for the last weeks and in labour
through upright positions thereby helping bubs into a great anterior possie.
*
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Friday, 24 June 2005 7:31 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone subsequent birth
Yes to what everyone else said :D It's still not entirely clear how the
collar bone was broken, or am I
Can I ask, is the bone
breaking manoeuvre being employed AFTER the Gaskin Manoeuvre has been
unsuccessful?
Thanks.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Mary
Murphy
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:52
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can I ask, is the bone breaking manoeuvre being employed AFTER the
Gaskin Manoeuvre has been unsuccessful?
Thanks.
J
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From: Mary Murphy
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:52 AM
Try these too.
http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/shoulders.htm
Midwife management of shoulder dystocia
Someone asked about midwife management to avoid brachial plexus injuries.
There are a couple of studies showing very good outcomes for midwife
management of shoulder dystocia. See for example [3]
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Hear hear! I think it's really
important to write thank you letters to hospital staff!
Great stuff : )
Janet
- Original Message -
From:
Jan
Robinson
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:54
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] lotus
Hi all,
I have contacts in all other
states for birth trauma groups and I'm anxious to know who works in NT and Tas.
Any ideas anyone? Big things are about to happen!
J
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Hooray for Jo!!! You're such
an inspiration to me!
Janet
Joyous
Birth
Would you like to share your caesarean and/or vbac/hbac story?
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If you would like
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a doula in
this area?
Cheers,
J
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Dear oh dear. And how many of these women actually had undiagnosed PTSD
caused by birth trauma, I wonder? And how many had births in which no normal
physiological processes occurred to give them the capacity to care for their
newborn?
Sometimes I despair!
J
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- Original Message -
From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] High babies
Surely if this baby is truly stuck in a transverse position at
If I was the woman in question, the very last thing I'd ask for is ECV, Too
dangerous and unpredictable. The Spinning Babes website has more information
on moving less-then-optimal babies than I have ever seen anywhere else.
Gentle Birth archives has a massive amount too along with explanations of
It's great to see you here,
Tracy. I'm so excited about your work. It's always great to be the women turning
the first sod, as it were.
Brightest blessings and
support from Australia!
J
No one has claimed the money he offered to prove hospital birth is safer
than home birth either. I'm laughing a lot over this one!
J
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From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
For most women, losing 5% of
their body weight is enough to kickstart their menstrual cycle. I have severe
PCOS and have never taken any drugs for it as I can manage it fine with low
carbing, exercise and occasional trips to my naturopath.
There are so many paths to
explore before heading
Hi all,
can anyone direct me to online
resources on the use and risks of ventouse? I have the info from ACE but that's
about it really.
Best,
J
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Or:
www.diseasesdatabase.com
Any good?
Brenda M
- Original Message -
From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:15
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ventouse
information
MessageThank you so much, everyone! I'm feeling very well informed now : )
J
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Given our recent discussions
about this brilliant dvd, I thought it might interest people to see
this.
Best,
J
Dear Friends,
Mindy Goorchenko and her family will be appearing in an episode of "Amazing
Babies" this Tues., Aug. 2nd at 8pm and 11pm Eastern Daylight Time on the
Discovery
I love that, Sally. I'm going
to borrow it today ; )
Thanks,
J
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From:
Sally Westbury
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:29
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Just thought
I'd share
I use a similar
Hi all,
we'd love some input from
student midwives (and their qualified colleagues, of course!) for NCAD in
Victoria. Contact with Joyous Birth gives student MWs an excellent group of
birthing women to talk toand of course we have always offered free
advertising across Australia for
Excellent news, Andrea. I await with interest, as does the rest of Joyous
Birth! The defence forces gold standard cover pays for hb entirely, which is
also useful to know : )
J
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I help heaps of Mums through
Homebirth Australia get a rebate.
Justine we'd love to hear more about this in Joyous Birth. Can you email me
details of what you do?
Thanks!
J
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HTH Philippa. I think there
are many ways to prevent it but hospitals don't promote them. I can look for
more if you need it, but start with these. Some counselling might help her make
decisions too as emotional stress is thought by many people to be a contributing
factor. I've seen many
Jo! You poor bugger! So painful : (
Have you given gentian violet a go for the surface thrush? I don't know how
it goes for the deeper stuff but LCs often carry it with them.
Sending you much sympathy and healing vibes.
J
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My understanding as a consumer is that hospitals will allow fathers to
catch as long as all is going well but not on the record by your MIPP.
Speaking as a consumer who had to transfer, part of how horrific it was
(apart from general staff attitudes which created massive problems for us)
was
http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2155highlight=#2155
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Hi all,
a Joyous Birther is looking
for a MW for a hb in Kalgoorlie sometime next year? Any thoughts,
anyone?
Thanks!
J
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OK here's an unusual one :
)
Anyone know who can help a
woman seeking a home birth in the UAE. So far her advice is that it's illegal
but I think that needs further investigating. Anyone?
J
Joyous Birth Home Birth
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Hi all,
a woman I know has been asked
by her OB if she will consent to be induced at 39 weeks (ie right
now)because he's going away. Yes, you read it right. He took on a client
knowing he was going to be away when she came to the end of her pregnancy OR he
decided to go away after taking
Personally I hope that my healthcare practitioners will schedule holidays to recharge their batteries. My MW had a month off while I was pg and I felt happy that she was doing that rather than working to the point of exhaustion. The point is that seeking to induce a client because of a holiday is
I believe we need to get into the kinders and primary schools and teach the next generation of parents about healthy reproduction practices. Might be an interesting project for midwifery students to do? Introduce the concept of midwife to the kids. Cheers
A friend of mine did just this while pg
How about OBs don't take on clients for when they plan to be on holidays? "I'm sorry but I'm away in April when your baby is due. Perhaps you'd like to see my colleague Dr So-and-so?" This all came up because this one has either taken a client on knowing that he would be on hols in her last weeks
so huge I can't see how they'd squeeze any more in personally !
BM
- Original Message -----
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia
I believe we need to get into the kinders and prima
We have a milk bank here? I've
got my surprised face on!
J - in
Melbourne
- Original Message -
From:
Helen and Graham
To: ozmidwifery
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:15
AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Breastmilk
bank
Does anyone know how the Breastmilk bank in
Hmmm. Well I haven't heard
anything about it and I'm in contact with many lactavists who'd love this. I
shall do some investigating! Anyone know the LC in the article?
J
- Original Message -
From:
Helen and Graham
To: ozmidwifery
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:02
PM
I'm not one of the
professionals in here, Paivi but hi anyway. : )I've read in a few places
about how episiotomy rates suddenly drop when studies into them begin. A hb MW I
know does less than one a year so I figure that's a good
guide.Mostly in hospitals they're performed for no reason at
I totally agree with a
previous email that the people who make the rules ought to have to demonstrate
what the procedure is actually proving or helping. But here's a link to a study
more generally that also deals with weighing.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0dopt=AbstractMidwifery.
I totally agree, Gloria. And how about we hear more on the dangers of
babies sleeping in cots since that's where most die?
J
- Original Message -
From: Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery]
Me too. It's definitely
sparked my curiosity now LOL.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Ceri
Katrina
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:29
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF
video
Is it possible to get a copy??? Everyone's
It's excellent!!!
J : )
- Original Message -
From:
Ceri
Katrina
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:46
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:BF
video
thanks! it is extremely cute. I had the whole family in
stitches.Katrina
Sue this stuff really scares
me. I don't know what business a nurse in an incontinence clinic has
recommending major abdominal surgery, with it's attendant risks which are far
greater than vaginal birth. If I were the nurse, I'd be saying, "Have you
thought about having a home birth? Those
I've got that book. I'll hunt
around in it for you : )
J
- Original Message -
From:
Maxine
Wilson
To: ozmid
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:35
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] transition
Vedrana
I vaguely remember reading something
that I found meaningful in
I agree. It's one of themost
irritatingmyths about scheduled c-secs that it doesn't create pelvic floor
issues. I have a friend who's had 2 forced c-secs and she has terrible bladder
issues.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Maternity Ward Mareeba
Hospital
To:
Rachel (welcome btw!) I hear everything you're saying and I concur. It's so
transparently about a professional monopoly but their own brilliant
misinformation campaign is so entwined with our current cultural fears
around normal physiological birth that very little gets into the media to
Like I said, Justine, I've been published a lot in SMH and the Age, just
never on birth, so I obviously have the style etc for those other topics.
I'll look out for some of those consumer letters from MC.
J
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From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: OzMid List
A woman I know who was given 3
u/s in labour (to see where the baby was...)as well as countless others
through her pregnancy, was eventually told she had no option but c-sec for her
breech baby. When they cut into her, they sliced straight through her placenta
because NO ONE HAD PICKED UP
I wonder if
anyone does these or similar in Melbourne specifically for men
On the Joyous Birth forums
there is a private section specifically for fathers who have been present at
births which were traumatic. We also support them in planning, with their
partners,for subsequent births in a
Hi Tania : )
Have you put those details on
Joyous Birth? I'd be most grateful! I'll put them on Natural Parenting for you
too, if you wish!
J
- Original Message -
From:
Tania
Smallwood
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:55
Can I please have some
thoughts on where to look for info on this? This young woman was admitted to
hospital with a suspected clot on the lung and suspected pneumonia. She is
really freaked out and I'd love to direct her somewhere specific for
information.
This is direct from
her.
Cheers,
,
Janet
Fraser
Hi Debbie,
oddly enough I too know 2 women in
exactly this position atm. The dangers of choosing a surgeon for the care of a
perfectly normal pregnancy are becoming clear at this point.
There's an OB at JHH that deigns to
catch breech babies - Andrew Bisits (sp?) - so perhaps he's one to
I keep reading this stuff places and it really irritates me. So they did
this whole study but forgot to ask WHY women are in this position? So what
was the point of the study? It's like a French study I read the other day
where they asked hospy birthing mamas (actually in the hospy!) what they
Won't even give them a capital for their title
!!!)
BM
- Original Message -----
From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:49
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Friend with
breach baby...
Following the post from Lynne Staff, and others
who talk of supportive (might even say sensible) obstetricians who do practice
woman friendly care. Wouldn't it be good if some of these rare creatures came
out and spoke to their less supportive colleagues about their methods,
I'll hunt it up for you. I
hope I wasn't dreaming!
J
- Original Message -
From:
Vedrana
Valčić
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:52
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Just a
thought
Marsden
Wagner talks convincingly
I'm so sorry, Anne. I deeply
sympathise with you and I wish I could do something to help.
I think it's time
thatthose of us with actual real evidence went on the offensive and
stopped allowing Obs to dictate the terms of this discourse. They need to be
asked to demonstrate their fitness to
I think you're right,
Ping.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Ping Bullock (G)
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:15
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Just a
thought
Hi Vedrana,
It is in his book 'The Birth Machine' I think.
You're invited to
National Caesarean Awareness
Day in Melbourne! When:
Sunday 11 September, 11am-2pm. Where: Rooftop Room Northcote Town Hall
189 High Street Northcote 3070 Entry: gold coin donation This
year's theme is Birth our way strong and
powerful! What's
happening: * Stories
Hi Tania,
I often use this article. It's
not exactly what you're after but has an extensive bibliography. Where did the
IOL in first time mamas has a 40% c-sec rate info come from. Jo???
J
http://wwwhencigoer.com/articles/elective_induction/
- Original Message -
From:
Tania
BUT we can safely say to women now - two
Australian studies have identified that whether you have IOL or not there is a
60% chance of having a c/section with epidural block.
I would really love the details of both of
these. I can wait for the yet to be released ; ) but do you have a link to
Brenda would you like me to
advertise this on Joyous Birth and Natural Parenting?
J
Hi
all,
I realise it's a late request but the one I had organised isn't available
: Could anyone with a home birth video, commercial or personal, please
stick it in an express post bag for me for this Sunday?I'd be ever so
grateful! I'll even pay for the postage!You know I would!
Joyous
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] URGENT - home
birth video?
Janet,
Home waterbirth OK?
Address ?
I know you aren't leaving town !!
Brenda
- Original Message -
From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday
I suspect there are even more happening in 2005 now that Joyous Birth has
such a strong recruiting drive ; ) If home birth had a pyramid selling
scheme, I'd have won a microwave and a toaster over for sure : )
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Hi all,
as part of NCAD in Melbourne,
I have collected birth stories and other creative responses from women who have
experienced c-sec and vaginal birth after surgery as well. Since many of the
members of this list care for us before, during and after our surgery, I thought
it might be
Really brings home to me why
my son has a tshirt that says "I love my mummy's milk - not just milk from any
old cow!"
J
- Original Message -
From:
Larissa Inns
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:00
PM
I think my sister's is ok and
she's in the inner west so near to where you've posted. Is it just for bloodwork
or the like?J
- Original Message -
From:
Tania
Smallwood
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 5:56
PM
Subject:
Try Lucy Balin, Stanmore, cnr
Trafalfar and Holt sts. Does shared care and is jiggy with home birth. My home
birthing sister has seen her for a while.
J
- Original Message -
From:
Tania
Smallwood
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, September 15,
Hi all,
I can't find which animals are
being pillaged for Synto/Pit production. The literature says "mammals" so can
anyone pin it down for me?
TIA
J
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LOL that was my suspicion.
It's what gets used in shampoos for the same reason. Yes, I'd love hair like a
pig...
Ta for confirming my worst
suspcions, Jo ; )
J
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Jo
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday,
Worse.
B
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From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:02
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] synthetic
oxytocin
LOL that was my suspicion.
It's what gets used
Ah Philippa, music to my ears!
Fanbloodytastic!
J
How about Evidence Based Care Centre?
: )
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I'll put my mind to work on
this one. All I can say is that I hear it all the time from women with Obs
(surprise, surprise) and most women I know have birthed larger subsequent babies
but at home without obstetric *ahem* "wisdom". A friend was dx with CPD with her
8lber and then pushed out
Hi all,
I've been asked if anyone
knows of any studies around twins and hb? Or any studies where twin births
weren't excluded from hb populations?
TIA,
J
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