[ozmidwifery] Further to C/Section

I have been reading the latest stats for our womens hospital and find the figures alarming.  In the public sector (lots of high risk) the figures for last year, C/S are about 26% and instrumental and induction are high but understandable to some degree.  What alarms me is that in the private

[ozmidwifery] Caesarean complications

In the West Australian newspaper this morning is a small paragraph on page 4 "news in brief" reporting that a woman in Waitakere (NZ) CAUGHT FIRE  possibly from flamable swabbing solution, during a C/S in the last few days.  She is resting comfortably(?) with burns to her lower body.  Her ba

Re: [ozmidwifery] Gloria Lemay

I tried too and couldn't get the page at all.  Maybe it is temporarily "down"?

Re: [ozmidwifery] Overdue baby

again Denise     - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Overdue baby Dear Denise, I wiould send you a jpeg if I knew what it was.. Is it

[ozmidwifery] Pressure re ctg's etc

After replying to Joy's message I was thinking about where that "pressure in my head" came from.  It wasn't because I was afraid about the baby.  The movements were more than adequate, on palpation there was plenty of fluid.  All other obs were perfect.  Both of us felt that the baby was o.k

Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:overdue

Dear Joy, Sooo glad to hear the good news of your little one. I have to admit that I caved into the pressure which was in my own head and asked my daughter to have a CTG on Friday. She was very gracious in complying. The CTG was very reactive and the u/s showed plenty of amniotic fluid, however

Re: [ozmidwifery] Overdue baby

Dear Denise, I wiould send you a jpeg if I knew what it was.. Is it some kind of computer jargon for a photo?  cheers, MM

[ozmidwifery] Overdue baby

, no tears or grazes.  Apgars 7 & 10. No resusc needed (except for midwife/grandma) Many thanks for the support of my wonderful midwife friend Susanjane Morison.  Cheers, Mary Murphy

[ozmidwifery] The future? The answer?

lse is new? "  I recently saw this quote - Lewis Moris wrote- "Stand upright, speak thy thoughts, declare the truth thou hast, that all may share.  Behold, proclaim it everywhere. They only live who dare." It appealed to me.  cheers, Mary Murphy

Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC - how soon is safe?

. What's NELUCSC? Non-elective Lower Uterine Caesarean Section EDB? Expected date of birth Cheers, mary M -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Call for help regarding depictions of the midwife in fiction

THE RED TENT. Can't remember the author but I enjoyed it alot. a bit far back in history tho for any modern day useage, MM - Original Message - From: "Julia Monaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Call for help rega

Re: [ozmidwifery] home birth

Hi Carol, Good to see you are still out there and monitoring the mail. We miss you here in W.A. we are eagerly looking forward to the evaluation of our practice. Love mary M -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternity Crisis in WA Peel Region

Well, it looks like we all have to get used to the new system and not hit the Reply button when only wanting to reply to an individual.  The info in my last email about Sen Ruth Webber is luckily not private and when visiting her I gave her info on the situation of all of the midwives across

Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternity Crisis in WA Peel Region

Dear Lois,  As you know, Weds is my office day.  I will have to see how it pans out as I will also have the possibility of births and /or postnatals for 3 women.  I would love to come... we'll see!  Today I spent some time with Senator Ruth Webber (Amy Bachrach now works for her.)  She is a

Re: [ozmidwifery] ACA

While the rate as steadily increased over the last few decades, the rate of maternal and fetal mortality and morbidity has not increased - indicating that increases in caesarean do not mean childbirth is any safer. Debbie, did you mean "the rate of maternal and fetal morbidity has not DEcr

Re: communism

Dear Ben,  this was in reply to several messages on this subject on the ozmid list.  I didn't think it was not in "good form" to reply in this way.  I am a little miystified.  Can anyone assist me here? Mary M.  - Original Message - From: Sturmfels To: Mary

Re: communism

Dear Alphia, I am sure that we all knew where you were coming from!  I like your lateral thinking!  Cheers, MM

Re: insurance

Title: insurance So sad to hear you havew been forced to make this decision Joy.  Best wishes, Mary M

Re: Hospital trials birth monitor:Courier Mail news report (QLD)

  With stillborn births now outnumbering deaths from sudden infant death syndrome, his centre – with the SIDS and Kids Association – hopes to boost its research efforts into peri-natal health.      Anyone want to hazzard a guess why this is?  I thought that all the new techno

Re: Sayýn ozmidwifery-list ,

ME TOO! MM

Re: Lotus Birth

" Let's get back to the real thing with Lotus Birth." Hi Liz, Good to know your'e still out there. Could you tell me where this tradition came from? Some of my clients practice "lotus Placenta" and I'd like to know more. Cheers, Mary M -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <

Re: slogan

Striving for a Better Birthing Future    I really like that. MM

Re: RWH Bris Birth Centre Update

ke it tidy and hold it in place.  The weight of the water does the rest.  Is it possible to use one piece of plastic of a suitable size to line the hospital bath?  Just a thought, cheers, Mary Murphy

Re: PI Insurance expires

"Which states have attached PI insurance to registration," Sue, W.A doesn't attatch registration to P.I. Insurance. I think you can credit that to those strong midwives who have sat on the Nurse's Reg. Board,( including me) we have had to represent the independent midwife strongly because most ho

Re: Re: Breast feeding and diet.

You wrote:  "Diet is the problem because we are "starving" the mothers.   I remember that Dr Tom Brewer in the USA, many years ago wrote in his many books. "Feed the mother and save the child" referring to pregnancy, birth and lactation.  Seems like no one has been listening! MM

Re: Waterbirth

Midwifery guidelines for use of water in Labour Ethel Burns & Sheila Kitzinger is available on the Birth International website.  Also reviewed by me and available on their review site.  a very valuable little booklet.  Cheers, MM

Re:

The midwives are employed by the Health Dept and don't have individual insurance.  The program midwives are covered by the Insurer just as if they worked in a hospital.  MM ...if the midwives in the Community Midwifery programme in WA have PI insurance, and the insurance company agree

Re: Oxytocin and milk supply

,  An article in Mothering magazine No. 111 march 2000 pp50-61  by Sarah Buckley For those who may have missed my earlier correction, the year is 2002, not 2000, MM

How much of a good thing do we need?

From the recent New England Journal of Medicine: "Despite marked regional variation in the availability of neonatal intensive care, it is not known whether the supply of neonatologists or neonatal intensive care beds is associated with neonatal mortality. This retrospective cohort study inv

Natural childbirth

Not only did I press the wrong button, but I also sent it to the wrong list.  Sorry!, MM

Fw: team salary

Sorry, meant to send this to all but pressed the wrong button.MM - Original Message - What is required is the state/federal governments to make an award for caseloading midwives. We have had great difficulty with our income since this way of payment became impossible due to the change of

Re: monitoring at 41+ weeks

It would be good to see that research that you couldn't find before.  Any luck so far?  I'd appreciate it.  thanks, MM  

Mothering Magazine

OOPS!  the magazine No. 111 was march/April 2002 (not 2000). Sorry, MM

Re: Oxytocin and milk supply

Dear Joanne,  An article in Mothering magazine No. 111 march 2000 pp50-61  by Sarah Buckley a Brisbane G.P. "Ecstatic Birth: The Hormonal Blueprint of Labour"  follows much the same line and has 74 references.  It follows the hormonal path through conception , pregnancy, labour, birth, 3rd s

Re: address for ACMI Melbourne?

Thanks Andrea but the one I want is for the National office.  MM For Vic branch: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Is that the one you were after?   Andrea Bilcliff

address for ACMI Melbourne?

Could someone please post the email address for ACMI ?  It has disappeared out of my address book.  thanks, MM

Re: monitoring at 41+ weeks

The due date is the difficult one Jan. I had a similar case where the due dates were the 14 Feb, the U/S 5th March.  Baby born on the 22nd march.  no obvious evidence of "overdue"  3400gms.(She went 16 days Over her dates with her first as well)  always a dilemma. MM

Re: monitoring at 41+ weeks

 If travelling for the CTG is the problem, why not put her on a kick chart so she can monitor the baby herself??.. It is a really effective way to monitor the baby's wellbeing by the "expert"..the mum.  She WILL know when things aren't right.  Re "DUE" dates, well we have just had a discussi

Re: professional indemnity

the Community Midwifery Program in W.A was under threat for the same reason. It was temporarily (still) solved by the State Health Dept employing the midwives. Not a satisfactory arrangement for anyone, especially the midwives who are used to a case loading payment. Cash flow & underpayment has

Re: Oxytocin and milk supply

Use Michel odent's "Scientification of Love" as your starting point.  Lots of information and references in the book.

Re: scared cousin

Try the local Library, they often have good books and videos.MM

Re: support people in theatre, and What should I do?

Try convincing KEMH to that point of view! MM

Re: Article in the "Siunday Times"

Saw that, felt disgusted, but of course the baby would have been sicker if she had had a vaginal birth , wouldn't it??mm  

Homebirth in Ireland

Does anyone have any information about the availablity of homebirth midwives in Ireland?  I have a friend whose daughter lives in Ireland (don't know where at this moment)  she was wanting to know if there was any one in particular who could help her daughter.  thanks in anticipation

Re: nitrous oxide

some offer Meptid instead of pethidine   Deb, What is this drug?  I haven't heard of it before. MM

Re: nitrous oxide

No,  I haven't any information on it's use, but there is research "evidence" that too much use of N202  by the mother is associated with increased amphetamine use in the offspring in later life.  MM  

Re: viruses

Yes! lots of weird things coming through which I won't open. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Vaccine reactions

This is a very interesting conversation!  http://abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s532401.htm

Re: quotes needed

Nursing 16:1226-1232 concluded that women who were informed about childbirth coped better with labour and had healthier babies than those who were not as well informed. There may be others, but as Debbie said, there is always Grantley Dick -Read.  Cheers, Mary Murphy  

address book problems.

People are disappearing out of my address book.  Can anyone give me any info?  Is it a virus?  thanks, Mary M

Re: postnatal discharge programs:

HBF of W.A. have a similar support program for women with obstetric benefits. This fund also has a generous rebate for homebirth and FBC with private midwife (who has ACMI accreditation) MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or

Re: moxibustion

In my Accupuncture studies we were taught that it was the heat that warmed the meridian. If the meridian is "cold" it is said to spasm, If heat is applied it relaxes the muscles and allows the baby room to turn. When studying in China, I was astounded to see a room full of arthritic people all l

Re: Guthries/breast feeding

I'd like to ask the researchers if they checked whether the babies continued to feed in a relaxed contented way after they had been subjected to the newborn screening programme procedure and breastfed simultaneously. I'd like to suggest they may at times be a co-relation of the baby being u

Guthries/breast feeding

In the study, 30 infants were held and breast-fed by their mothers while a blood sample was taken from the child's heel (a procedure known as heel lance) while researchers monitored the baby's reactions. Crying and grimacing was reduced by 91% and 84%, respectively, among infants who were b

Re: 'turning' breech presentations.

>From a plain midwife who is very reluctant to interfere with the natural > process. > Joy Johnston > I guess the problem is that if we leave it to the babies to turn if they choose and they don't, most women are left with a very unnatural pathway. ie C/S. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored b

Re: 'turning' breech presentations.

As I studied accupuncture at uni for 2 yrs, I have used Moxabustion in my midwifery practice to help turn breeches for many years. I honestly can't tell you what my success rate is as I also use positioning, visualisation and homeopathics at the same time, or close to the time. Like Lois, I have

Re: twin births

Wow, I bet there is an interesting story behind that! Cheers, Mary Murphy > Joy, our twins are now 4 and 1/2 yrs old, my wife went to term first was > beautiful birth at home the other was a caesarean some 6hrs later at the > local hospital, they both weighed in at 3.5 kg, no dramas e

Re: ABA

Title: Re: SHE FEB 2002 Article La Leche League has been here in Perth for at least 5 years that I know of.  Small groups run by motivated people.  They obviously find something there that NMAA didn't provide. MM - Original Message - From: Macha McDonald To: ozmidwifery

Re: VBAC question

Please explain just how he did this procedure?  I have never heard of it either.  MM - Original Message - From: Sue Cudlipp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: VBAC question Dear midwives I have been back 'listening' on

prenatal info makes a difference?

hospital or obstetrician is the only information freely available.(of course women can buy books,magazines etc).  Do you know of any studies that show that accurate, unbiased information in the prenatal/  pre-pregnancy period improves outcomes? thanks, Mary Murphy

prenatal information makes a difference?

 

No mail

Just checking to see if anyone is sendin/receiving mail.  The last mail I received on the list was from Jill Ireland on 17/3 at 15.54

Re: Jaundice and meconium

Maybe the problem is in the phrase "looking jaundiced". Its not a very scientific basis on which to diagnose a pathological problem. Don't know about the meconium 's effect at such an early time. I await further input. Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit

Re: Anti-D

Dear Jill,  For years I have dropped off blood to the Red Cross lab & picked up my anti-D.  In the last year I was told I could not do this any more.  No reason given.  Cheers, Mary M - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, Mar

Sth Korean Birth

This lady has a midwife for her birth.(from Sweden)  Thanks to all who might have considered it.  Cheers, Mary Murphy

Re: Re Apgar scores

One problem I have seen with Apgar Scores done by paediatritions is that they give the score for birth, not 1 minute. I don't know why, but it irks me. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re: umbil cord bld merchandising.

Title: Re: umbil cord bld merchandising.   If midwives feel the sqme way as Andrea and me, then we should all be emailing/writing to the ACMI and telling them so.  I don't believe it is sufficient just to vent on the List. MM mary you beat me to it but I feel the same way as you

umbil cord bld merchandising.

I recently received a flyer from Cryosite cord blood service with my ACMI News/journal.  The company is subtly using midwives to market their service, the text reinforcing in our minds that the blood should be stored for the child's future use.  Maybe we should be reinforcing that the blood

Re: PUPPS

Thanks.  I thought it must be that, but wasn't quite sure.  I have found chickweed ointmment etc. helpful for some but not all women. MM " As we trust the flowers to open to new life   - So we can trust birth"Harriette Hartigan.---

Font size problem

Can any one assist me please?  The font size on recent items printed off the List or connected web size has blown out to about 18 instead of the usual 12.  My grandson has looked at all the settings and can't find the problem.  thanks, Mary Murphy

midwifery textbooks.

women were not just vessels being delivered of a baby and gave me skills to change my attitude from  the medicalised model I was then basing my practice on to a woman oriented approach.  Cheers, Mary Murphy

Re: PUPPS

PLEASE, what is PUPPS? MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Re Sth Korea.

Dear all,  Sorry I gave you an incomplete email address for Tehresa.  correct one is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

More on Sth Korean birth

Tehresa Morrissey rang me again from Seoul in Sth Korea to ask for a midwife for her 2nd baby's birth due in 4 weeks.  Seems she cannot fly home because her firstborn keeps popping his ear-drum when he flys. She made the decision late because she hoped she could come back to Perth where she g

Re: midwifery rebate

Denise Hynd did have a complete list of rebates. She is temporarily off line I think until after the Homebirth Conference. I do know that HBF of W.A refund $1400. for homebirth and FBC. We haven't had a rise in benefit and need to put a business case to them to justify the rise in fees over th

Birth in Sth Korea. 36 wks gest

? Julie Morrissey.  Not quite sure of the correct name as it was a bit muffled.  cheers, Mary Murphy

Re: Reasons for choosing homebirth

alanced in your approach, maybe the choice of words was unfortunate?  Cheers, Mary Murphy  

Re: VBAC

No controversy, just information! Today a very determined woman gave birth at our local teaching hospital after 3 previous caesareans, no labours, and LOTS of negative harrassment at A/N.clinic. She was supported by a homebirth midwife who was constrained by protocols, to birth in the hospital an

VBAC

.    A midwife can support your sister to 'rent the space' in the hospital, do things her way, and optimise her chances of having the birth experience she seeks.  I wish this were true here.  If a woman wants a VBAC and a midwife is willing to support her, if hospital is the only option, the

Re: VBAC soap box

ust a different model of care to add to our repetoire, thanks, Mary Murphy -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.

Dr John Stephenson.

Does anyone know the current email/snail mail address for Dr John Stephenson?  He usually attends the Homebirth conference, but I will not be attending. I would appreciate having it if anyone knows it and can forward it to me.   Thanks, Mary Murphy

365 ways

Was someone out there collecting 365 ways to calm babies?  I just found a book entitled "365 ways to calm your crying baby"  by Julian Orenstein.  I am not commenting on it's contents, merely that it exists.  Regards, Mary Murphy

Re: Homebirth numbers in NSW

Jackie, there is a space on the form which asks about previous c/s. MM - Original Message - From: "Jackie Mawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ozmidwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Homebirth numbers in NSW > > In W.A the state health dept

Re: Homebirth numbers in NSW

In W.A the state health dept collects the stats of homebirths in the same way as all other births in the state. There is a box for actual place of birth and one for intended place of birth so it picks up the transfers. Maybe this system would help? MM - Original Message - From: "birth.com

Re: twins

Looking over some old emails I thought worthy of keeping and found this.  Has anyone any idea how things are going and what model of care she was able to access?  Thanks, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Marian Bullard To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday

Re: Choices in Childbirth

heers, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Jackie Mawson To: Ozmidwifery List Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Choices in Childbirth I am now unable to make because my midwife’s PI Insurance cover runs out on May 30 2002 and she has c

Re: Second Midwife Role

In the 2nd last line I meant DEBRIEF not bebrief.. MM - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: Andrea Bilcliff ; Ozmidwifery Mailing List Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Second Midwife Role Dear Andrea,  the role of second midwife in

Re: Second Midwife Role

Dear Andrea,  the role of second midwife in our practice here in W.A. is to be a stand -in for the primary midwife at anytime that she is unavailable to the woman.  If we attend a birth as 2nd M/W it is because the Primary M/W has needed support for some reason... fatigue, intuition saying "

Re: FILM ON BIRTH * WORLD RELEASE

This film looks wonderful. I wonder who is organising the Perth screening. . Anyone know? Cheers, Mary Murphy. Do check out this website www.fatsalmoncinema.com ...this film looks wonderful! The email below explains how they are looking for potential hosts for the film (see below) Cheers

Re: Midwifery Resolution

lem/answer.  Regards, Mary Murphy - Original Message - From: Dean & Jo Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Midwifery Resolution "we need also to get out and talk to the mothers of whatcould have and sh

Re: PI In

Women have had to travel up to one hr to KEMH (and one had her baby in the carpark). I truly believe that insurance in most walks of life is becoming irrelevant.  If it costs the earth to insure something, why bother? Its like emotional blackmail.  Anyuway thats my thoughts on this lovely

multiple copies

Has anyone been getting multiple copies from me?  If so, I believe that is indicative of a virus and I would like to know ASAP Thanks, M Murphy

Re: Where are you all?

Thanks for those responses.  MM - Original Message - From: Jane Palmer To: Ozmidwifery (E-mail) Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: RE: Where are you all? Hi Mary   Lets hope we are quiet over here because of the holidays and not the f

Where are you all?

Is there anyone out there East of the border?  I am not sure if there is something wrong with the system or if everyone in the East is too busy with fires, holidays etc to chat.  Would appreciate a response from our Eastern seaboard sisters.  Cheers, MMurphy

Re: Penguin Book of Etiquette

I have never seen this in my 24 yrs of practice. MM - Original Message - From: "Jackie Mawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ozmidwifery List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Penguin Book of Etiquette > Hi all, > I received this query today and was about t

Re: Season's Greetings!

Title: Re: Season's Greetings! Geetings All!  I spent the first hours of Christmas with Lois Wattis, attending a birth for a first time mother.  A baby boy born at 0430hrs in the water at home.  A lovely way to start the day!.  Cheers, Mary M - Original Message - From: Jan

midwifery ideals/long

A quote from Jan Tritten... Midwifery Today.   We do midwifery to help families have good, healthy, and if possible, joyful pregnancies and births. Our greatest love should be for women and their babies. The bottom line for you as students and aspiring midwives is to keep your focus on mother

Re: ANZ college of Anaesthetists statement!

Is this the same  epidural anaesthetic that is so freely touted as being "the best, the only way to have a baby"? MM - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: ANZ college of Anaesthetists st

Re: Insurance

he organisational structure of this insurance pathway. I am concerned about the security of policies under this arrangement and ask that the ACMI seek truly "independent advice about it. Sincerely, Mary Murphy. - Original Message - From: "austmid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: hamburgers for breastfeeding

Please, release me from my misery! What has toy hamburgers got to do with anything MM - Original Message - From: "allison buck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: hamburgers for breastfeeding > hello to all those budding c

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