If you were a PC software vendor, would your customers expect you to know
all the details of Intel's newest chip? If you were an auto salesman, do
you think it's reasonable to think that they would know all the specifics
of a new line before it was announced? How about a biotech company?
David Fedor wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I hate being made to look uninformed in front of customers. I provide
custom
software solutions to them and they look to me to be the expert on all
things Palm. When they show me the ZDNet article and ask if I know any
more,
I'm left looking like
David Fedor wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Dear Palm OS (R) platform developers,
Today Palm, Inc. is announcing two new products: the Palm m100 (TM)
handheld and the Palm VIIx (TM) handheld. A developer-oriented
description of them can be found at
It means a lot if you depend on the Palm form factor so your product can
attach properly. My minimum system cost just went up $100 now that the IIIe
is being discontinued and the next cheapest Palm that accepts the standard
modem case is the IIIxe.
What do these new devices mean to developers?
I noticed that, so much for the 1000+ modem casings I just purchased.
You forgot the most important thing about the bottom curve ... it requires
yet another new mating formfactor for devices like modems cradles...
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For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to
I saw the announcement before lunch today and what do I find at Fry's? A
brand new shipment... they must have had 20-40 each of IIIc's, V's, Vx's,
and the new Palm VIIx's...
Wonder how the story might have gotten leaked to ZDNet? You think that kind
of timing (to have it on shelves and announce
Steve Sabram wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I like the new look of the
m100. It bottom curve is a very non-threatening form that a lot of
consumer items have taken recently. It is very egg like in look
and handling. Also, all those curves doesn't' have any corners to press
against your
A more valid question is why the 3.5.1 ROMS are not on the pavilion
yet. It would also be nice (but not entirely necessary) to see POSE
skins for these new devices released to developers on the day of the
hardware release.
I fail to see how a POSE skin helps develop and test an
Michael, remember, the m100 screen is smaller because the pixels are
smaller!
You just answered my last question, danke. I'll post "Over
There(tm)" with my other issues on 30a7 after catching up on past mail
there to see if others may have answered those questions ahead of
When a product is on the shelf it is far less likely to change than
when it is still being designed. It's far better than the plethora of
"announced" but unreleased Springboard Modules...
There's a certain company in Redmond who does this all the time
as a matter of business
From: Adam Wozniak
Reply To: Palm Developer Forum
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2000 1:02 PM
To: Palm Developer Forum
Subject: Re: New products from Palm, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be curious to know what hardware changes would require emulator
changes
ot; [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/08/2000 08:15:21
PM
Please respond to "Palm Developer Forum" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: "Scott Johnson (Bellevue)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Palm Developer Forum" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:(Keith Rollin/US/PALM)
Subject: RE: New produ
So, as Scott said, either stand further away from your screen, or bump your
screen resolution up to the next higher option in the control panel.
now... whats the point of this? did i miss something stupid :)) hehe
az.
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Java Certified Programmer
Michael S. Davis wrote in message 20271@palm-dev-forum...
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Richard Hartman wrote:
Michael S. Davis wrote in message 20190@palm-dev-forum...
...
If palm gave out the advance information to everyone that claimed to be
a developer, I don't care how much of a
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Richard Hartman wrote:
Certainly they do. On the other hand, we keep getting mixed
messages from them. They say that want to support developers,
including early releases of new ROMs/hardware emulations so
that things can be ready when the product rolls out. They even
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be curious to know what hardware changes would require emulator changes
for these devices.
Then look at the Poser sources (in particular, the EmRegsDevice.cpp files).
Those will tell you the relevent hardware differences for currently supported
devices. When
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Oliver King-Smith wrote:
Palm is definitely sharing information with favored developers. They also
share the information with the press (this was bragged about on PalmPower)
yesterday. So you are being very naive in believing that everyone gets the
information at the
Michael S. Davis wrote in message 20190@palm-dev-forum...
...
If palm gave out the advance information to everyone that claimed to be
a developer, I don't care how much of a non-disclosure agreement you
had, I guarantee you that many of those developers would let the cat out
of the bag.
It
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Richard Hartman wrote:
Michael S. Davis wrote in message 20190@palm-dev-forum...
...
If palm gave out the advance information to everyone that claimed to be
a developer, I don't care how much of a non-disclosure agreement you
had, I guarantee you that many of those
Richard Hartman wrote:
Adam Wozniak wrote in message 20133@palm-dev-forum...
I'd be curious to know what hardware changes would require emulator changes
for these
devices.
Because the emulator is emulating the _old_ hardware?
Perhaps I didn't state that very well.
What hardware
Although a properly scaled display for the m100 emulation would be helpful
to see how our apps appear on a 40% smaller screen. For reasons I didn't
quite follow, the reviewer in PC Week said the smaller screen made it harder
to use AvantGo.
--
Michael Yam
www.ytechnology.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Michael Yam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Although a properly scaled display for the m100 emulation would
be helpful to see how our apps appear on a 40% smaller screen.
I wouldn't expect POSE to support any such scaling. Currently its onscreen
size bears no relation to reality, so why
um" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: (Keith Rollin/US/PALM)
Subject: RE: New products from Palm, Inc.
From: Michael Yam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Although a properly scaled display for the m100 emulation would
be helpful to see how our apps appear on a 40% smaller screen.
I wouldn't expect POSE to
Hehehe, so I guess what we saw on ZD weren't that far from true.these
things are just butt ugly!
I mean, it sorta looks like a PalmV, but then it looks like it was made by
the same aliens in the movie "The Abyss"...like play-dough.
Anyways, I am glad to see the PalmVIIx is out. That is
I saw the announcement before lunch today and what do I find at Fry's? A
brand new shipment... they must have had 20-40 each of IIIc's, V's, Vx's,
and the new Palm VIIx's...
Wonder how the story might have gotten leaked to ZDNet? You think that kind
of timing (to have it on shelves and announce
Bryan Batchelder wrote:
Hehehe, so I guess what we saw on ZD weren't that far from true.these
things are just butt ugly!
I mean, it sorta looks like a PalmV, but then it looks like it was made by
the same aliens in the movie "The Abyss"...like play-dough.
Anyways, I am glad to see
I hate being made to look uninformed in front of customers. I provide custom
software solutions to them and they look to me to be the expert on all
things Palm. When they show me the ZDNet article and ask if I know any more,
I'm left looking like just some pretender off the street.
In this case
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bradly J. Barton wrote:
rant
I hate being made to look uninformed in front of customers. I provide custom
software solutions to them and they look to me to be the expert on all
things Palm. When they show me the ZDNet article and ask if I know any more,
I'm left looking
hey
can't share a cradle...
-Rus
-Original Message-
From: Richard Hartman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:48 PM
To: Palm Developer Forum
Subject: Re: New products from Palm, Inc.
Steve Sabram wrote in message 20048@palm-dev-forum...
I like the new look o
What do these new devices mean to developers? Nothing, nada,
zip, zilch, zero. They still have the same OS, same RAM, same buttons,
same graffiti. It's mostly a new case.
With a NotePad application that simulates the same function as Jot did.
That's a bonus with people who struggle with
If you were a PC software vendor, would your customers expect you to know
all the details of Intel's newest chip? If you were an auto salesman, do
you think it's reasonable to think that they would know all the specifics
of a new line before it was announced? How about a biotech company?
You tell em Dave.
At 05:08 PM 8/7/00 -0400, you wrote:
It means a lot if you depend on the Palm form factor so your product can
attach properly. My minimum system cost just went up $100 now that the IIIe
is being discontinued and the next cheapest Palm that accepts the standard
modem case is
From: Bradly J. Barton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
What do I want from Palm? I'd like to see an announcement
like today's...
only a couple weeks before they actually hit the shelves. Included in
today's excellent announcement was information that it would
not affect
current
A developer-oriented
description of them can be found at
http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/palmhardware/details.html
Is the serial connector the same as the Palm V? From the scant details on
this page I take it the answer is no. Joining forces with Dave
Lippincott, I think it's quite
: New products from Palm, Inc.
From: Bradly J. Barton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
What do I want from Palm? I'd like to see an announcement
like today's...
only a couple weeks before they actually hit the shelves. Included in
today's excellent announcement was information that it would
Brian Mathis wrote in message 20055@palm-dev-forum...
I guess I don't understand why people expect Palm to release internal
information to *anyone*. If you're a developer, why should you get any
special treatment?
Because they want developers to support their new products.
I think Palm has
Bradly J. Barton wrote in message 20068@palm-dev-forum...
...
What do I want from Palm? I'd like to see an announcement like today's...
only a couple weeks before they actually hit the shelves. Included in
today's excellent announcement was information that it would not affect
current software.
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Richard Hartman wrote:
When the rumor hit ZDNet, I think Palm should have stepped up within a few
days of that story and made the official announcement..
Not necessarily an announcement to the public. But they should not have
continued denying the existance of these
One more question - is the data format specification of the new NotePad
published (as the others are via the published source code for MemoPad,
ToDo list, etc.)? Because there are many of us I'm sure, not just those
involved with hardware, who need that information for our apps.
Steve Patt
Latest eWeek magazine, arriving today, says the serial connector on the
m100 is "the same as those in other Palm devices." However the
information on palmos.com says, "Serial: pin order is the same as the
Palm IIIx, however, the size and shape is new."
Which is correct?
Steve Patt
Bob Whiteman wrote:
From: Bradly J. Barton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
What do I want from Palm? I'd like to see an announcement
like today's...
only a couple weeks before they actually hit the shelves. Included in
today's excellent announcement was information that it would
It would also be nice (but not entirely necessary) to see POSE skins for these
new devices released to developers on the day of the hardware release.
Skins? Skins are more important to you than emulation of the hardware? Good to
know...
-- Keith Rollin
-- Palm OS Emulator engineer
--
Adam Wozniak:
I fail to see the difference between what you propose and what actually
happened.
The difference is that Palm let the rumor mill churn for more than a month
between the ZDNet article and the official release. They told us they were
just rumors and to not worry about it. In short,
(Although I use the emulator as a selling support mechanism sometimes...
our clients like to play with our gadgets, but sometimes we don't have
them in house...bet you haven't realized it could be used for that yet!)
Actually, that's one of Poser's stated goals.
-- Keith Rollin
-- Palm OS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would also be nice (but not entirely necessary) to see POSE skins for these
new devices released to developers on the day of the hardware release.
Skins? Skins are more important to you than emulation of the hardware? Good to
know...
I said nice. I assume
I assume there's nothing really new in the hardware that needs a change in
the emulator. If I'm wrong, and had to choose between skins and real emulator
code, I'd choose the emulator changes.
Yes, you're wrong. For one thing, there are no m100 or Palm VIIx menu items in
the device menu,
Just curious, does "m100" have any meaning?
--
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Surveyor Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]4548 Broad Street
[EMAIL PROTECTED] San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
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For information on
Adam Wozniak wrote in message 20115@palm-dev-forum...
...
I fail to see the difference between what you propose and what actually
happened.
You aren't looking closely enough.
Assume they had made that announcement today, but product did not hit the
shelf for
a couple of weeks. What difference
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I assume there's nothing really new in the hardware that needs a change in
the emulator. If I'm wrong, and had to choose between skins and real emulator
code, I'd choose the emulator changes.
Yes, you're wrong. For one thing, there are no m100 or Palm VIIx menu
I'd be curious to know what hardware changes would require emulator changes
for these devices.
Then look at the Poser sources (in particular, the EmRegsDevice.cpp files).
Those will tell you the relevent hardware differences for currently supported
devices. When I post 3.0a7 (with m100 and
Richard Hartman wrote:
The course of action might not be different (i.e. test the hell out of the
product under the new OS). But the -result- might be different (i.e. a
fixed version of the product is available when the product hits the shelves
instead of two weeks later).
And we've
"Adam Wozniak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:20132@palm-dev-forum...
Just curious, does "m100" have any meaning?
I think they are trying to get all the old Tandy portable computer users to
upgrade. Will the unit with 4MB be the m102? GRIN
--
For information on using the Palm
palmorder.modusmedia.com is severely broken
I've just spent 30 minutes fighting broken server pages, timeouts, and shopping carts
which
don't remember their states. I'm about to give up.
I also note that you can buy Handsprings via Amazon.com, but not Palms
*sigh*
Things like this make me
What do these new devices mean to developers? Nothing, nada, zip, zilch,
zero. They still have the same OS, same RAM, same buttons, same graffiti.
It's mostly a new case.
You might want to check the specs a bit more closely. There are app
and button differences.
Regards,
Steve Mann
--
Skins? Skins are more important to you than emulation of the
hardware? Good to
know...
No, no, no! Hardware emulation/ROMs please. The hell with the skins.
Regards,
Steve Mann
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Creative Digital Publishing Inc.
1315 Palm Street, San Luis Obispo,
"Bradly J. Barton" wrote:
[...]
The difference is that Palm let the rumor mill churn for more than a month
between the ZDNet article and the official release. They told us they were
just rumors and to not worry about it. In short, I feel like I was lied to
by Palm on this .. and in turn,
This is my last comment on this thread..
From: "Adam Wozniak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
He seemed mostly concerned with looking uninformed.
Actually, that was only one of several complaints I originally had, but
others have more eloquently stated those positions (the software and
hardware issues). I
Steve Sabram wrote in message 20048@palm-dev-forum...
I like the new look of the
m100. It bottom curve is a very non-threatening form that a lot of
consumer items have taken recently. It is very egg like in look
and handling. Also, all those curves doesn't' have any corners to press
against
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