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Question 1 This is an extract from an online encyclopedia Comrade means friend, colleague, or ally. The word comes from French camarade from Latin camera (room). The term has seen use in the military, but is most commonly associated with left-wing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing movements, where comrade has often become a stock phrase http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_phrase and term of address http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Term_of_addressaction=editr edlink=1 . The political usage of the term was inspired by the French Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution . Upon abolishing the titles of nobility, and the terms monsieur and madame (literally, milord and milady), the revolutionaries employed the term citoyen(ne) (meaning citizen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen ) to refer to each other. The deposed King Louis XVI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France , for instance, was referred to as Citoyen Louis Capet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Capet to emphasize his loss of privilege. When the socialist movement gained momentum in the mid-19th century, socialists began to look for an egalitarian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism alternative to terms like Mister, Miss, or Missus. They chose comrade as their preferred term of address. In German, this practice was started in 1875, with the establishment of the Socialist Workers' Party of Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Workers%27_Party_of_Germany . [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade#cite_note-vienna-0 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade#cite_note-laden-1 In English, the first known use of the word with this meaning was in 1884 in the socialist magazine Justice. This encyclopedia continues to give a brief overview about South African usage In South Africa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa , comrade is associated with the liberation struggle more generally and the African National Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress in particular. The members of unions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union affiliated to the ANC through their union federation use the term comrade to refer to each other. Comrade can also be a way of describing someone who is an activist, although it has an association with the ANC and the struggle against apartheid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid or economic inequality. The naming of the Comrades Marathon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrades_Marathon is however unrelated, as it commemorates soldiers of World War I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I . In Zimbabwe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe , the term is only used to people who are affiliated to the ruling party, ZANU (PF) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZANU_(PF) where the state media also use Cde as short for comrade. Members of the opposition mainly the Movement for Democratic Change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Democratic_Change_%E2%80%93_T svangirai are often referred by their names or Mr, Mrs or Prof. Second question 2 We are not Communist, the unsavory alliance between the ANC and the Communists culminated in the PAC BREAKING AWAY FROM THE ANC IN 1959. Thus the PAC has been anti communist take over of the liberation struggle. One of our founder members Mfanasekhaya Gqobose once wrote that there were no Communist in South Africa, he referred to them as quarks From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mothibe, Lucas Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:32 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; PAYCO Azania Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Izwe lethu Maafrica I need clarity in the following: Are we Comrades or Africanist ? Comrade is the term that was used by soviets (Marxists and Leninists) when greeting each other during those days. Are we socialist or communist ? Are we for a National Democratic Revolution(NDR) or African Nationalism? If NDR ,what is the difference between us and SACP. Regards Lucas Mothibe From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mawande Jack Sent: 19 January 2010 05:24 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; PAYCO Azania Subject: [PAYCO] Haiti-A Call For Global Action by Randall Robinson January 07, 2004 Part I January 1, 1804 - January 1, 2004: This day is sacred. It is the 200th anniversary of the Haitian Revolution. Fought by Haitians. Won for us all. Between 1791 and 1804, hundreds of thousands of Africans enslaved in Haiti ignored the rivers, forests, precipices, swamps, mountains, gorges, bloodhounds, rifles, cannon, and whips that separated them and united to launch a massive, brilliantly executed, spectacular war of liberation that the armies of Spain, England, and France (with the help of the United States) all fought desperately -
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I sent the interview of Sobukwe long time ago but it appeared today Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest'
COSAS IS TURNING AGAINST MALEMA Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thembeka Majali Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:20 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' I would like tohear your views on this constructive criticism comrades, -- Forwarded message -- From: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za Date: Mar 25, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: Fwd: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' To: thembekamaj...@yahoo.com, thembeka.maj...@gmail.com Begin forwarded message: From: Nkwame Cedile nkwame.ced...@gmail.com Date: 25 March 2010 9:39:28 AM To: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za Cc: Helga Jansen tamara...@gmail.com, Verna Rainers verna.rain...@gmail.com, Tudo Nacosa nomfu...@wc-nacosa.co.za, vuyis...@mail.tac.org.za, Mandla Majola man...@tac.org.za, Lwazi Nongauza lwaziag...@gmail.com, Mamashoabathe Noko sho...@aidc.org.za, Mzu Cabanga mcaba...@gmail.com, siyabulela kenny ksiyabul...@gmail.com, Sibongile Somdaka somda...@hotmail.com, Wendy Pekeur we...@ssonke.org.za, mzim...@ilrig.org.za Subject: Re: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' The point is not Malema dear Cdes! Its the Pan Afrikanist Movement's lack of communication startegy. Why do they become visible when Malema said something? where are they? what have they been doing in the face of embarrassing demise of PAC?. Why is the PAC not capitalising on the monumental blunders made by the ANC elite On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mandla Ntlanganiso mandl...@sassa.gov.za Date: 24 March 2010 8:16:58 AM To: Thembeka Majali themb...@aidc.org.za,ntonzi...@cput.ac.za, sndam...@pgwc.gov.za, Simphiwe Nofuma snof...@pgwc.gov.za Subject: PAC angry over view they 'hijacked Sharpeville protest' 2010/03/24 THE ANC yester day refused to comment on its youth league president Julius Malema accusing the Pan Africanist Congress of hijacking the Sharpeville protest. We are not commenting on what the ANC Youth League president said on this particular matter, said spokesperson Jackson Mthembu. This followed after Malema on Monday reportedly said the Sharpeville uprising of 1960 - that later became a massacre when police opened fire and killed 69 people protesting about the pass laws - was organised by the ANC but hijacked by the PAC. His comments outraged the PAC Youth Congress who described Malema as a Mickey-mouse pop star who knows nothing about the liberation struggle. We will never allow this political buffoon to rape the proud rich liberation struggle credentials of the PAC A high school drop-out like Malema who cannot even pass woodwork. It is only in the ANC where fools like him are allowed to occupy leadership positions, Payco said in a statement. Payco slammed the comments as foolish lies and want a public apology from Malema The fact of history is that PAC organised and led the Positive Action Campaign and the ANC rejected an invitation from PAC founding President Mangaliso Sobukwe. Through its then secretary general, Duma Nokwe, the ANC refused to participate in the march saying '... it has no prospects of success'. ANC Youth League spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy, however, said: What he (Malema) was speaking about was the mobilisation prior to Sharpeville which was managed by the ANC. - Sapa -- Our lives begin and end the day we become silent about things that matter Martin Luther King OneLove Nkwame Mau Mau Cedile Cell: 078 227 6008 Skype: nkwame1 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words
[PAYCO] FW: Google Alert - pac of azania
Please open the link below and hear what Malema says about the PAC. Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-nore...@google.com] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:26 AM To: Mduduzi Sibeko Subject: Google Alert - pac of azania Google News Alert for: pac of azania The PAC remains irrelevant - Malema http://www.google.com/url?sa=Xq=http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsw eb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654%3Foid%3D168304%26sn%3DDetailct=gacad= 1:2:0cd=_89gy9RIrv4usg=AFQjCNGOyvpmo26iYuC_ll_bvqsUYILiDw Politicsweb For years, the PAC perpetually made the claim that they are being ignored ... is why did the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, that is so evidently proud ... Tip: Use site restrict in your query to search within a site (site:nytimes.com or site:.edu). Learn more http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=136861hl= engl=zasource=alertsmailcd=_89gy9RIrv4cad=1:2:0 . Remove http://www.google.co.za/alerts/remove?s=AB2Xq4isUY-JiLsn5Fx6HSq5BwgjJWv pjxkTxSAhl=engl=zasource=alertsmailcd=_89gy9RIrv4cad=1:2:0 this alert. Create http://www.google.co.za/alerts?hl=engl=zasource=alertsmailcd=_89gy9R Irv4cad=1:2:0 another alert. Manage http://www.google.co.za/alerts/manage?hl=engl=zasource=alertsmailcd= _89gy9RIrv4cad=1:2:0 your alerts. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to payco+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words REMOVE ME as the subject.
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Looking at these sentiments it very sad to observe that the PAC will always suffer from internal scuffles. When I was a young PASO and AZANYU in the early nineties I picked up a paper from the ground dropped deliberately or not I m uncertain. But, it had this caption has Sobukwe dream turned into rivalry or infighting ?. my point is that after the demise of uncle Zeph no leader in the PAC has enjoyed a plenary support within the file and rank members of the organization. From Makwethu up to now, we are still suffering from failing to elect leaders that we support or perhaps we support them and withdraw our support latter. I am saying this as I have observed that there is a lot of attacks taking place within the PAYCO itself. When will we elect leaders that will enjoy a plenary support from the organization ? Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mahlangu, Congress Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:34 PM To: Cunningham Ngcukana; Yandisa Ngcuka; just...@lebea.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; mophol...@yahoo.co.uk; Lulamile Ntonzima; nkru...@lantic.net; thembeka.maj...@gmail.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] RE: Hi Cunningham, There are several points to note about the whole scenario. The reason why PAC has politically and administratively performed so terrible in many areas is this type of its actions. They have leaders who lead without any slightest vision. Leaders, who never led anything, except their own pockets. They are dangerously spontaneous and very impulsive. Remember the amputation of hands; remember your sodla sonke slogan, just remember how the 1994 elections were planned by the PAC, with the subsequent emergence of the so-called revolutionary watchdogs. The recent being the call to injure Malema until he dies. The PAC programmes with an exception of the 1960 and few other activities are littered with poor planning which is normally based on slanders, spreading stupid calumnies and lies. Most heartily for the interest and love of this organization, we refuse to give up. But I refuse to be part of loose cannons. Everything that ANC is doing is well planned. They have a programme to plunge this country into anarchy. We know the ANC is run by mercenaries, Askaris. How do you explain the fact that a Premier in Mpumalanga has stashed R14m in his backyard? Let alone the hit list that exists in every province. To deal with such ills, you don't need some short cuts. I am currently reading a book on Wall Street and Bolshevik Revolution. It is about meticulous planning so as to sustain any potential revolution. We must separate a media stunt from the actual revolutionary programme. I understand that the PAC has suffered enough media blackout. Eqala kanje, asoze yalunga Regards Congress From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com] Sent: 29 March 2010 02:48 PM To: Mahlangu, Congress; Yandisa Ngcuka; just...@lebea.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; mophol...@yahoo.co.uk; Lulamile Ntonzima; nkru...@lantic.net; thembeka.maj...@gmail.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Hi Congress I have been part and parcel of building party structures in the 80s. PASO started with by Cde Jojo through ASAAC issued statements and commented on the developments within the educational system from 1984. It led to the launch of PASO late in 1988. The issue of the drug snorting drunkard of the ANCYL being attacked by PAYCO is correct. Whether they have the capacity or not. Zuma did not call anybody to order when Malema said he was prepared to shoot to kill for him nor Vavi. I see nothing wrong with PAYCO statement as they clarified it that the country is run by a criminal from Zuma downwards. What may and may not be strategic is that Malema has enemies inside and outside the ANC. Our youth should not keep quite when an illiterate like Malema is urinating on our history! Ayesaba amagwala! Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana From: Mahlangu, Congress [mailto:vgmahla...@landbank.co.za] Sent: 26 March 2010 14:49 To: Yandisa Ngcuka; Cunningham Ngcukana; just...@lebea.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; mophol...@yahoo.co.uk; Lulamile Ntonzima; nkru...@lantic.net; thembeka.maj...@gmail.com; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Cde Yandisa, Threats and empty rhetoric do not advance our revolution. As a matter of fact, I don't know who are these cockroaches who call themselves PAC Youth League and their so-called President? I know of PAYCO as official component of the PAC. You are correct; such a plan cannot be advertise through the media
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Masemola and PAC leaders forgotten 13 April 2010 Sam Ditshego NOTORIOUS PRISON: A view of the outside of Robben Island prison TORTURED: Jafta Masemola These freedom fighters also suffered ON April 17 1990 our country was robbed of an intrepid freedom fighter, Jafta Kgalabi Masemola. Masemola died in a mysterious car accident on his way to hospital. He had been released six months earlier from Robben Island after serving 26 years, nine of which were spent in solitary confinement. He was tortured almost daily and had to go on numerous hunger strikes as a protest. Though enduring such hardships, he didn't attract international media attention. So far, he doesn't even attract local media attention. The PAC, to which he gave his life, also fails to do justice to him and Zeph Mothopeng. Their anniversaries just come and go without incident. Masemola was a victim of a systematic assassination campaign. Others were journalist Sam Mabe and Azapo's Muntu Myeza Masemola's death has not been properly explained and the PAC is doing little or nothing to ensure that his case reaches finality. For instance, who was the driver of the truck that collided with his car ? Did he appear in court to answer charges ? Which court? Are there records of the scene of the accident? Who were the police officers who were dispatched to the scene of the accident? There were reports that emergency service vehicles arrived late and Masemola died minutes after arriving at the GaRankuwa Hospital. He had dedicated his life to others. He was very generous. He had an undying love for his people and was determined to liberate them. In 1963 Masemola, Samuel Chibane, Philemon Tefu, John Nkosi, Isaac Mthimunye and Dimake Malepe were sentenced to life for furthering the aims of the P A C . In 1964 Rivonia trialists Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki, Ahmed Kathrada, Wilton Makwayi, Raymond Mhlaba, Elias Motsoaledi and Andrew Malangeni joined the PAC freedom fighters, but the media hardly reports about the PAC members . A founder PAC member , Masemola once said: We cannot negotiate with the usurpers of our land. After his release , Masemola said the time was not ripe for genuine negotiations. He had foresight. It is now clear that the political settlement reached at Codesa didn't benefit the African people. This was confirmed by Winnie Madikizela-Mandela about six weeks ago in an interview with the London Evening Standard, an interview she now denies ever giving to Nadira Naipaul. She denies it, but who believes her? Moreover, Naipaul couldn't have thumb-sucked the explosive information contained in that interview. Other PAC stalwarts, such as former president Zeph Mothopeng, who had foresight and whose analysis was insightful, said: We must put our heads together over this question of negotiations because it is bandied about as the most important thing in the liberation struggle. You cannot go to a negotiating table for your liberation. The PAC's founding president Mangaliso Robert Sobukwe said: We do not wish to use anybody, nor do we wish to be used by anybody. We want to make the African people conscious of the fact that they have to win their own liberation, relying on themselves to carry on a relentless and determined struggle instead of relying on court cases and negotiations on their behalf by 'sympathetic whites'. An oppressor is an oppressor. There is no benevolent oppressor. The people will have to fight for their freedom. That is the lesson we learned from people like Masemola. If we shirk our responsibility, these freedom fighters will turn in their graves. Masemola contributed enormously to our liberation struggle . The people of this country for whom people like Masemola dedicated their lives should keep their memory alive. JAFTA KGALABI MASEMOLA (1928 - 1990) JAFTA Jeff Kgalabi Masemola joined the ANCYL in 1958. In 1959 he and was inamong the the breakawaymembers who group that founded the Pan African Congress of Azania (PAC) in 1959. When the PAC was banned in 1961 Masemola and others were sent out of the country to set up the PAC's underground guerrilla structure, Poqo, the forerunner of the Azanian People's Liberation Army (Apla). Masemola was abducted in Lesotho by apartheid forces and was, with most members of his unit, later sentenced to serve life on Robben Island. Known as the Tiger of Azania, he was subjected to solitary confinement for much of his time on Robben Island. He rejected President PW Botha's offer of release on condition that he renounce the armed struggle. He steadfastly refused any negotiations unless it led to the return of land to dispossessed Africans and the establishment of a free and just society. * The writer is a media commentator and an independent researcher Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib
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Hi Cunningham: By a chance I was watching a documentary on DSTV, I can't remember which channel it was. But the discussion there at the UN Headquarters centered around the Cuban Missile crisis of the early seventies. Acute hostilities between the US including its allies and the soviet including its empire or rather satellite States. David Sibeko, appeared on the UN video clip and his address which lasted about seven munities or more was very illuminating and refreshing. This unsung hero of the Azanian struggle contribution has fallen in to oblivion. Has anyone ever undertaken to take the spade and dig what lies beneath the history of this gallant fighter ? Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
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Hi Cunningham: What has happened to Maxwell, former organizer and secretary general. Was he not satisfied with Dr. Pheko and decided to leave. I HARDLY HEAR HIS NAME IN THE FILE AND RANK MEMBERS OF THE Charterists. Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Hi: Mohlomphegi / Cunningham I observe that albeit we have material collections about our exile history in the University of Fort Hare, Switzerland, Wits University e.t.c, we still have dozens or of material scatted within the comrades and perhaps some private institutions. These materials in the hands of comrades, are by their nature in the hands of comrades classified as personal collections. My concern is that we need to collect these materials and organize a centralized archive, even if we make copies from the originals from the owners of these materials. There are photos in the hands of comrades which we do not know, on one occasion, I remember comrades bickering about whose photos were those they were fighting for. It very unfortunate that the organization like the PAC should not have a centralized collection of material. Let us glean all what we can get and get an organized or centralized archive. Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:06 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Comrade Mduduzi There was one comrade I knew who had a book on David Sibeko about his involvement in the UN. It was a green book with the face of David Sibeko. I happen to see this book arround 1990-1993. unfortunately the comrade passed away arround 2007/8 and was then a member of DA. His name was Makopo in Lebowakgomo Township Limpopo. His children are staying at Vosloorus. Comrades like Kingdom at Lebowakgomo/Mahwelereng should know the where abouts of this meterial as there was a huge collection of other PAC external mission materials at the hands of this comrade. Izwe Lethu! From: Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za To: Cunningham Ngcukana cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; k...@executivemail.co.za Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 4:26:12 PM Subject: [PAYCO] Hi Cunningham: By a chance I was watching a documentary on DSTV, I can't remember which channel it was. But the discussion there at the UN Headquarters centered around the Cuban Missile crisis of the early seventies. Acute hostilities between the US including its allies and the soviet including its empire or rather satellite States. David Sibeko, appeared on the UN video clip and his address which lasted about seven munities or more was very illuminating and refreshing. This unsung hero of the Azanian struggle contribution has fallen in to oblivion. Has anyone ever undertaken to take the spade and dig what lies beneath the history of this gallant fighter ? Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] RE: Interview with Sobukwe 8-9 August 1970
Thank you comrade for this interview: an extract from it reads WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT POQO? This thing was undisciplined. No movement can succeed without discipline. I could see that once the leaders were in jail, things had gotten out of control. There was no way of guiding this (Poqo) thing; it was the tsotsi element taking over. I don't think Leballo should have made the statement that PAC and Poqo were the same, because they weren't, really. Poqo had about the same relation to PAC that Mau Mau had to KANU. They weren't the same thing. I had always known that we had people who believed in blowing up things, in sabotage. When we were organizing for the campaign, people came to me and asked for permission to derail trains and things like that. I told them no, that we could probably succeed without that. But I did think that at some later stage of the campaign we might have to do this, to hit at the economy by derailing trains that carried workers into Johannesburg, for example. But I myself took no part in this, I thought I could leave it to those people (who knew how to do it.) We never considered blowing up pylons. We didn't think there was any point in hitting any targets except the government itself-transport, perhaps municipal buildings. We didn't believe in taking anyone's life.Soma have concluded that this not be authentic Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za -Original Message- From: Mahlangu, Congress [mailto:vgmahla...@landbank.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:04 PM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Cunningham Ngcukana Cc: Tulani Pike; nkru...@lantic.net; mophol...@yahoo.co.uk; payco@googlegroups.com; Yandisa Ngcuka; just...@lebea.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; Lulamile Ntonzima; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Mduduzi Sibeko Subject: RE: Interview with Sobukwe 8-9 August 1970 Thank you very much son of the soil. I guess this spell the end on the Mbeki era. Now we are entering the Prof's terrain. Prof is on the only representative of the living and the dead. Prof is founding President of the PAC and an agent of pan Africanism, while Mbeki is charterist product i-varara Period! This e-mail, its attachments and any rights attaching hereto are, unless the content clearly indicates otherwise, the property of the Land Bank. It is confidential, private and intended for only the addressee. Should you not be the addressee and receive this e-mail by mistake, kindly notify the sender, and delete this e-mail immediately.Do not disclose or use it in any way. Views and opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender unless clearly stated as those of Land Bank. The Land Bank Group accepts no liability for any loss or damages howsoever incurred, or suffered, resulting or arising, from the use of this email or its attachments. The Land Bank does not warrant the integrity of this e-mail nor that it is free of errors, viruses, interception or interference. Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za -Original Message- From: Mahlangu, Congress [mailto:vgmahla...@landbank.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:04 PM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Cunningham Ngcukana Cc: Tulani Pike; nkru...@lantic.net; mophol...@yahoo.co.uk; payco@googlegroups.com; Yandisa Ngcuka; just...@lebea.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; Lulamile Ntonzima; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Mduduzi Sibeko Subject: RE: Interview with Sobukwe 8-9 August 1970 Thank you very much son of the soil. I guess this spell the end on the Mbeki era. Now we are entering the Prof's terrain. Prof is on the only representative of the living and the dead. Prof is founding President of the PAC and an agent of pan Africanism, while Mbeki is charterist product i-varara Period! This e-mail, its attachments and any rights attaching hereto are, unless the content clearly indicates otherwise, the property of the Land Bank. It is confidential, private and intended for only the addressee. Should you not be the addressee and receive this e-mail by mistake, kindly notify the sender, and delete this e-mail immediately.Do not disclose or use it in any way. Views and opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender unless clearly stated as those of Land Bank. The Land Bank Group accepts no liability for any loss or damages howsoever incurred, or suffered, resulting or arising, from the use of this email or its attachments. The Land Bank does not warrant the integrity of this e-mail nor that it is free of errors, viruses, interception or interference. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than
[PAYCO] RE: Emailing: ajpe001001011
Comrade Mawande must be congratulated for scholarly papers that he sends. I benefit immensely from them From: Mawande Jack [mailto:ja...@avusa.co.za] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:47 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; paycoofaza...@gmail.com; Mduduzi Sibeko; Cunningham Ngcukana; sero...@hotmail.com; Tsietsi Subject: Emailing: ajpe001001011 ajpe001001011.pdf The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Hi Cunningham I t I recall some years in one of our congress your car tires were pricked, Patric Baleka was very angry with that. Who was involved in that ? were you at odds with those that did this ? Do you remember Baleka. What happened to him , I heard that he Joined COPE. From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:20 PM To: Mduduzi Sibeko; payco@googlegroups.com; Mawande Jack; sero...@hotmail.com; Khaliphile Sizani; Loyiso Mfuku; Yandisa Ngcuka; loymcit...@webmail.co.za; just...@lebea.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Lulamile Ntonzima; Simphiwe Nofuma; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: Hi Mduduzi I was part of the first meetings leading to the Convention and Thohoyandou. The meetings were held at SACWU with Sthembele Khala; Mudini Maivha; myself and many comrades. We debated the issue of leadership and Mogoba. I rasised a critical concern that without policies; strategies and tactics I has a problem of focussing on individuals. I raised the issue of Mogoba as a person who was outside the party mainstream and not aware of dynamics. I raised the issue of Muendane's history in the party in Robben Island and the external mission. The refrain was that Uncle Zeph had asked everybody to return back to the party. I raised the concern of Muendane's inability to submit himself to leadership by any person and such a character as a danger. Cde Jaki Seroke would remember these numerous meetings. The other concern was that the process was driven by Gauteng based comrades without input from key bases of the party like the Western Cape and the former Transkei and I feared a backlash from structures and cadres whom I had worked with. As a result I neither attended the Convention nor Thohoyandou Conference as I did not want to participate in a flawed process that was looking for a Messiah. Mogoba I subsequently met with the leaders of the labour movement and underground comrades. He promised consultation and an advisory structure like a politburo and he disappeared after that. Muendane attempted a process of policy development with a chosen coterie of people and wanted to jettison socialism from the PAC political and ideological approach. Mogoba was chased by lumpens in Cape Town who were a Makwethu faction and Muendane effected revenge to those he had a score to settle. Mogoba was a priest not a political animal even Dandala was better. He roped in Mayende who has no clue of economics and who wrote paraffin called the land policy of the PAC a similar thing Sipho Shabalala wrote As an economic policy of PAC without any economic bearing or understanding. The PAC was so far removed from the grass roots structures and was run in a corporatist manner. This allowed a revolt that carried Pheko into the leadership by branches with populism without substance. Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana From: Mduduzi Sibeko [mailto:msib...@randwater.co.za] Sent: 03 May 2010 11:05 To: Cunningham Ngcukana; payco@googlegroups.com; Mawande Jack; sero...@hotmail.com; Khaliphile Sizani; Loyiso Mfuku; Yandisa Ngcuka; loymcit...@webmail.co.za; just...@lebea.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Lulamile Ntonzima; Simphiwe Nofuma; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: There was euphoria when Mokgoba took the helm of the PAC. It was believed that the PAC poor electoral showings then were attributable to Makwethu. Thus a visionary was sought after, and Mokgoba emerged triumphant. Muendane was amongst the would be visionaries to reinvent strategies for the PAC. Muendane was very arrogant which established the claim made about him in exile. From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:30 PM To: Mduduzi Sibeko; payco@googlegroups.com; Mawande Jack; sero...@hotmail.com; Khaliphile Sizani; Loyiso Mfuku; Yandisa Ngcuka; loymcit...@webmail.co.za; just...@lebea.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Lulamile Ntonzima; Simphiwe Nofuma; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: Hi Mduduzi It was the frustration with the PAC leadership especially de Lille and Muendane. Muendane was basically settling scores with comrades from the external mission and Robben Island. That includes Mlambo and Malcom Dyani. He was so vindictive and de Lille was a perfect tool for Muendane and he held Gora responsible for his expulsion by Pokela. Dyani was part of the socialist group he despised in Robben Island very eloquent and articulate on Pan Africanism. Dyani also left the PAC as he saw no hoe with a 26 at the helm. I was a bit angry against both of them but understood the vitriol they daily faced in parliament with threats of expulsion like Letlapa has done with Godi I had to fly from my pocket Joe Mkhwanazi to attend Gora's funeral and it was a very sad thing. When Nyerere died I had to pay for Mkhwanazi to represent us at his funeral and the lumpens
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Hi Cunningham The comrade said exactly what I was about to say. In fact as we know historically that the movement losing the legal existence status through the fascist regime almost killed the movement. You have given us an insightful narratives about exile history. Leballo, Make, Muendane and others that have wrecked our development. But can you sincerely tell us if there is a positive prospect ahead of us ? given that, factionalism remains unresolved to this day. With Patricia leaving us, Godi forming an Africanist inclined formation, Thami forming the PAM. IS THERE A HOPE. IF OUR DISCUSSION WILL BE ENDLESS CAN WE HOPE OF A POSITIVE PROSPECT. DO WE NEED A CONGRES TO REDIRECT OUR STRATEGIES. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:12 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] RE: Majoni! Comrade I remain puzzled by our inability to come up with a lasting solution to our party demise. We continuasly refer to the programme that will address our demise. Can't we draw that programme and paste it here for further discusion and perusal? It is so sad that a party which habours such great thinking tanks who understand the dynamics of a revolution can fail to address and come with implimentable solution to our demise. Majoni we are no longer wasting time infact we are driving all the remaining Pan Africanists remnants within the party to its early grave. I truely sympathise with the comrades who were forced by circumstances to leave this party and found themself in the hands of charterists bouegeousies. We have heard what you have to say. Can you provide us with a wayforward to address our demise. Inkulumo yeno is now deafening our ears. Azanians are waiting impatiantly for the lasting solution to their revolution that went apace. we can work within the community and do well but will always be identified with PAC a FLAT TYRE. At this moment every PAC member should draft a silmple one or two page discusion document to outline the wayforward. Izwe Labo!!( Macherter)!! Sorry Majoni!! Izwe Lethu!! From: Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za To: Cunningham Ngcukana cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; Mawande Jack ja...@avusa.co.za; sero...@hotmail.com; Khaliphile Sizani sizan...@mweb.co.za; Loyiso Mfuku loy...@abangafrica.com; Yandisa Ngcuka yand...@aaatravel.co.za; loymcit...@webmail.co.za; just...@lebea.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Lulamile Ntonzima ntonzi...@cput.ac.za; Simphiwe Nofuma snof...@pgwc.gov.za; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 2:33:20 PM Subject: [PAYCO] RE: Hi Cunningham I t I recall some years in one of our congress your car tires were pricked, Patric Baleka was very angry with that. Who was involved in that ? were you at odds with those that did this ? Do you remember Baleka. What happened to him , I heard that he Joined COPE. From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:cunningham.ngcuk...@investecmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:20 PM To: Mduduzi Sibeko; payco@googlegroups.com; Mawande Jack; sero...@hotmail.com; Khaliphile Sizani; Loyiso Mfuku; Yandisa Ngcuka; loymcit...@webmail.co.za; just...@lebea.co.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Lulamile Ntonzima; Simphiwe Nofuma; crosby.njwab...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: Hi Mduduzi I was part of the first meetings leading to the Convention and Thohoyandou. The meetings were held at SACWU with Sthembele Khala; Mudini Maivha; myself and many comrades. We debated the issue of leadership and Mogoba. I rasised a critical concern that without policies; strategies and tactics I has a problem of focussing on individuals. I raised the issue of Mogoba as a person who was outside the party mainstream and not aware of dynamics. I raised the issue of Muendane's history in the party in Robben Island and the external mission. The refrain was that Uncle Zeph had asked everybody to return back to the party. I raised the concern of Muendane's inability to submit himself to leadership by any person and such a character as a danger. Cde Jaki Seroke would remember these numerous meetings. The other concern was that the process was driven by Gauteng based comrades without input from key bases of the party like the Western Cape and the former Transkei and I feared a backlash from structures and cadres whom I had worked with. As a result I neither attended the Convention nor Thohoyandou Conference as I did not want to participate in a flawed process that was looking for a Messiah. Mogoba I subsequently met with the leaders of the labour movement and underground comrades. He promised consultation and an advisory structure like a politburo and he disappeared after that. Muendane attempted a process of policy development with a chosen coterie of people and wanted to jettison socialism from the PAC political and ideological approach. Mogoba
[PAYCO] RE: indians - Indigenous?
What DID Prof ( Sobukwe) scornfully addressed them as stinking koolies of Sugar plantation of Natal. He continued by regarding them as having no leadership then, saying some have been tainted with the arrogance of white supremarcy Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za From: Mawande Jack [mailto:ja...@avusa.co.za] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:20 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; paycoofaza...@gmail.com; Cunningham Ngcukana; Mduduzi Sibeko; Tsietsi Subject: indians - Indigenous? 'Indians should be considered as indigenous South Africans' May 13 2010 , 6:13:00 Rivonia trialist Ahmed Kathrada says Indians should be considered as indigenous South Africans for their contribution to the country and their integration into the various communities. Yesterday marked the 150th anniversary of the arrival of Indians into South Africa. Indians were among the first settlers into the country and have played a significant role in every social field. In the early period of the country's history, Indians comprised about 25% of the country's slave population in the Cape. Most of them ran away from British colonialism. Kathrada says, They met with conditions that they thought they were escaping back home. But, what was important at the time of their arrival was that they made sure that they do everything in their power to protect their dignity. South Africa became a fully integrated society in 1994. While Indians have mostly kept true to their beliefs and culture, many say the debate on whether they can be viewed as indigenous Africans should be opened. International educationist Nico Jooste explains: Historically the Indian community played a very important part in developing South Africa. Not only did they bring their labour initially, they soon became traders and lawyers. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.cominline: image001.gif
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Hi: Cunningham/ Seroke It almost more than 30 years since David Sibeko passed away. Sadly he has gained a status of an unsung hero and fallen in to oblivion , a man that is credited with an agitation of removing South Africa in the UN in the mid 70's, nothing is said about him, not to mention that no monument nor any city is named after him. I have an idea without a capacity that Africanist that have access to the film industry must produce a documentary in appreciating this luminary of our struggle. Mduduzi Sibeko 011 724 9298 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
I have been saying this for many years. Comrade I hope you see how deleterious this bashing is. When should we start engaging each other constructively ? From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mfeka, M. (McMillan) Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:27 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of the soil You all don't know me because I am suppose to be a new member of the PAC. I am originally from KZN, south coast, I don't understand and also I don't like politics but I believe in self determination of the African people so they can advance themselves in all aspects of life hence my attempt to join the PAC because when it was introduced to me I understood that it is not a political party per se but as a revolutionary organisation that is concerned about the African masses. I now write with disappointment to learn that we are busy discrediting each other personally on this platform instead of engaging on the issues. It would have been so encouraging if there were debates regarding the programmes to advance the African masses instead of the finger pointing that is going on and it makes me wonder if are we clear with the programme of action because that should be above every individual. I think it is about time for the leaders of this organisation to seat back and take stock in order to acknowledge the current problems and also answer difficult questions about the relevance of the organisation because from where I am standing the organisation does not practically appear to be different to other political parties, may be on paper, hence it does not give any reason to the people to change their votes. As mentioned I joined the Pac ,or may I should say I attempted because I never got the membership card which I paid for, because I was hoping it is the organisation that is not based on individuals and does not tolerate selfish and opportunistic people who want to benefit on the expense of the masses. Sons and Daughters I believe there is a need for the REALLY PAC, people don't know where to go for help, each and every initiative/programme that is undertaken it always have political motive and corruption behind it hence it fails to address the core problem. Where are the real leaders like Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, to name the ones that I managed to read about, who are prepared to take the African people forward not themselves. Kind Regards Mcmillan Nkosi Mfeka Learning MIS Specialist People Development Group Human Resources Tel: 011 294 1445 Fax: 011 295 1445 P Please consider the environment before printing this email and/or any related attachments From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuma Andile Mangisa Sent: 08 June 2010 04:06 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity Sons and Daughters of Azania Afrcanists, this is something worth talking about and trying. I'm trying to change the topic for a while for us to continue breathing; may be there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Hopefully coming towards us not away from us. Please read the document carefully. I'm sure it will make sense to most of us. Izwe Lethu Chuma Andile Mangisa 0761277410 or 073 257 9480 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Nedbank Limited Reg No 1951/09/06. The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm ] This email is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. The following link will take you to Nedbank's legal notice. [ http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/EmailDisclaimer.htm ] -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] contact details
Seleka was an acting secretary General immidietely after the resignation of Barney elexander, latter known as Khoissan x -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Serame Mokgakala Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:04 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] contact details Who is he? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Mawande Jack ja...@avusa.co.za wrote: Ma-Afrika Kindly help me with Carter Seleka's contact details (telephone or mobile and e-mail). Izwe Mawande -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Ezrom Serame Mokgakala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Occupational Hygiene Environmental Officer
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Heavy Vehicle Driver
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by the drought to set up a medium- and long-term plan to achieve food self-sufficiency. To prepare for the twenty-first century, we have launched a huge campaign to educate and train our children in a new kind of school, financed by the creation of a special Teach our children raffle. Through the salutary action of the Committees for the Defense of the Revolution, we have launched a vast program to build public housing (500 units in three months), roads, small reservoirs, and so on. Our economic aspiration is to create a situation where every Burkinabè can at least use his brain and hands to invent and create enough to ensure him two meals a day and drinking water. We swear, we proclaim, that from now on nothing in Burkina Faso will be done without the participation of the Burkinabè. Nothing that we have not first decided and worked out ourselves. There will be no further assaults on our sense of decency and our dignity. 1. The Alma Ata principles of the World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund (UNICEF) emphasized proper nutrition, safe water, sanitation systems, maternal and child health care, immunization, and a reserve of basic medicine. UNICEF's GOBI FFF Strategy, focused on women and children, includes treating diarrhea-caused dehydration with an inexpensive solution of clean water, glucose, and salts; breastfeeding; immunization against six major communicable diseases; and education. Front page (for this issue) http://www.themilitant.com/2009/7314/index.shtml | Home http://www.themilitant.com/index.shtml | Text-version home http://www.themilitant.com/txtindex.shtml Kind Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9298/49 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.cominline: image001.gif
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ambassador was enthusiastic and had even financed household purchases for Leballo, because the officer felt that however Pan Africanist the party was, it simply couldn't trust African governments and it was advisable to find a secure base in North Korea. Leballo declined, saying the party had to rely on Africa, however treacherous politicians were. He was encouraged by the Libyan government's promise to finance an exiled University of Azania in Zimbabwe. In February 1981 John Nyati Pokela, a senior PAC member, was released from detention in South Africa and replaced Make as the leader of the reformist-diplomat PAC. Leballo wrote him suggesting a meeting, stating in private that he would accept Pokela as PAC President/Chairman if he (Leballo) could command APLA. Pokela never replied. They both attended the first anniversary celebrations of independence at Rufaro Stadium but merely waved to each other at a distance. Tanzanian sympathizers at the Tanzanian High Commission warned Leballo that the Tanzanian president, Julius Nyerere, and the Tanzanian secretary general of the OAU Liberation Committee, Hashim Mbita, had both demanded Leballo's expulsion from Zimbabwe. The next day Leballo was arrested while waiting to meet Edison Zvogbo, a government minister, imprisoned, and deported the next day. Handed a few dollars by his intelligence officer as he was rushed on to a plane, Leballo eventually arrived in Libya after being shunted around the Middle East and losing all his luggage. From 1981 until his death in 1986 Leballo worked in Ghana with President Jerry Rawlings' People's Committees but was mostly penniless in London. His Ugandan and Tanzanian diplomatic passports were revoked but he used his Liberian passport to build up links with the Rwandan Tutsi and Museveni's Ugandan resistance movements. After Pokela's sudden death in 1985 Leballo began to have success reuniting the PAC but died suddenly in January 1986 in Greenwich, London. He was buried in Lifelakoaneng, Lesotho. The Basutoland Congress Party, which he had co-founded and whose military wing he had trained, acknowledged that Leballo had played a major part in bringing down the regime of Leabua Jonathan Molapo in 1986. Although largely forgotten in South African politics, Leballo was responsible for temporarily turning the PAC away in the years 1966 - 1979 from semi-fascism towards Maoism. He recognized the futility of the Poqo slogan drive the whites into the sea (later revived by the remnant PAC as one settler one bullet with disastrous electoral consequences - 1.2% of the vote in 1994 and 0.7 % thereafter). Sibeko's grab for power in 1979, the Chunya massacre, and Leballo's peripheralization were not just the termination of one man's career but the death of a credible left wing alternative to the ANC/SACP alliance. [cite web|url=http://about-south-africa.com/html/pac.html title=PAC - Pan African Congress of Azania publisher=About South Africa] References * Leeman, Bernard (1992) Lesole la Mokhehle - Soldier for Mokhehle PAC Office Canberra * Leeman, Bernard (1999) Lesotho and the Struggle for Azania, Roma, Lesotho - updated 1985 Bremen University PhD Thesis * Leeman, Bernard (1995) The Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, Australian National University, Canberra * Mphanya, Ntsukunyane (2004) A Brief History of the Basutoland Congress Party 1952 - 2002 Morija, Lesotho, pp 95 - 98 Kind Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9298/49 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Does anyone know anything about these books? http://covers.openlibrary.org/w/id/6151044-L.jpg http://covers.openlibrary.org/w/id/6151003-L.jpg Kind Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9298/49 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.cominline: image001.jpginline: image002.jpg
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Hi Jackie: Mawande/ Cunningham/ Sebenzile The PAC doesn't seem to have fallen on a political oblivion Last weekend I put on my PAC t-shirt, (I had not worn PAC things for many years), despite the unfavorable climate these days. as it was month end, a lot of people were thronging to town for varied reasons. It was very much intrigued that I can count approximately 10 people who greeted me in open palm salute of PAC. They would shout or acclaim izwe lethu. Typically was an old woman, who must have been at her eighties, this woman was very thrilled. She recounted to me how police raided PAC camps in Lesotho, and she expressed her profound sadness at the untimely passing away of Prof Sobukwe. She continued to express her very deep sense of disappointment with the current antecedents making a continued history of internal rivalry in the PAC. Comrade: In your previous email you argued that there was no schism in this organization, except people taking over the PAC, probably to amass accruals through this organization. Be what this concerns maybe, their controversy and so on. Without taking any side, I was elated that ten people on Saturday gave PAC recognition. However, we fail to exploit these opportunities. I understand there were two separate PAC events celebrating hero's day. Can't we be pragmatic? Let's face reality and engage each other, let us dialog on the differences. Some time ago, I refrained from entering the fray between these groupings. I think now I can put my points very clear, let us unite. People ay to us izwe lethu when they greet us, but we say amongst ourselves my enemy when we greet one another. Kind Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9298/49 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Hi Jaki Did you meet Henry Issacks in exile, was he ideologically grounded ? Regards Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] media release statement
Comrade Seroke: I am bid confused now about some circulation within PAYCO. It seems all sorts of daily matters are circulated. wasn't the initial intention of this circulation to discuss political matters. What has Happened to the following comrades Mawande Jack Cunningham Congress And others, have the political discussions died From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomo Nkgadima Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:31 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] media release statement warm regards Thomo Nkgadima 072 829 6913 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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I understand the view prominent among the comrades. Even though my query about what we are discussing in this forum lately. I profusely aologise if that was a censorship Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9249 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Puff and pass. Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9249 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com Heavy Vehicle driver - EMS.DOCX Description: Heavy Vehicle driver - EMS.DOCX
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or Clash of Civilization?, Journal of Global Change and Governance, 1(4), pp. 17. (16) Ibid. (17) Aidan Lewis, 'Profile: Muammar Gaddafi', BBC News, 28 August 2010, http://news.bbc.co.uk. (18) Black, C. R., 2000. Deterring Libya: The Strategic Culture of Muammar Qaddafi. USAF Counterproliferation Papers, Future Warfare Series, No. 8, pp. 14. (19) Ibid. (20) Black, C. R., 2000. Deterring Libya: The Strategic Culture of Muammar Qaddafi. USAF Counterproliferation Papers, Future Warfare Series, No. 8, pp. 15. (21) James Chapman and Ian Drury, 'Gaddafi embraces Lockerbie bomber and thanks his courageous friend Gordon Brown for releasing him', Mail Online, 22 August 2009, http://www.dailymail.co.uk. (22) Ed Pilkington, 'UN general assembly: 100 minutes in the life of Muammar Gaddafi', The Guardian, 23 September 2009, http://www.guardian.co.uk. (23) 'Obama to Preside at the UN Security Council', Voice of America News, 02 September 2009, www.voanews.com. (24) Antoine Blua, 'Rights Groups Dismayed Over Libya's Election To UN Human Rights Council', Radio Free Europe, 14 May 2010, http://www.rferl.org. Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9249 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.cominline: image001.png
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Khoisan X dies Oct 14, 2010 8:22 AM | By Sapa Former Pan Africanist Congress (PAC) secretary general Khoisan X, otherwise known as Benny Alexander, has died. Current Font Size: [Benny Alexander addresses a rally in Cape Town in 1991] Benny Alexander addresses a rally in Cape Town in 1991 Photograph by: Philip Littleton Credit: NET Africa He died in hospital on Wednesday morning aged 55, the PAC's secretary general Mfanelo Skwatsha said. About week ago, he called his ex-wife that if he were to pass away, the PAC should take full responsibility for his funeral. He was described as having a Cinderella-pitched voice whose colourful language and missing front teeth made him the PAC's most recognisable face. According to sahistory.org.za he was born Benny Alexander on March 4, 1955 in Kimberley, where he grew up. In 1983 he joined the PAC underground and soon became the PAC's most recognisable face. He was instrumental in the formation of the Pan Africanist Movement in 1989, a legal front for the PAC, and was elected general secretary. He assumed the same position at the PAC's first post-unbanning congress in 1990. He stepped down in 1994 as secretary general. In 1996 he retired from active politics to concentrate on his studies, assist NGOs and civic structures, and build black empowerment structures. Around that time he also chose to capitalise on his San and Griqua ancestry by legally changing his name and taking up a job as adviser to Adam Kok V, the head of the Griqua traditional royal house. He set up Khoisan X Investment Holdings, a Section 21 company that aimed to benefit the San and Griqua people through a trust. In 2008 Alexander was part of a group that broke away and attempted to establish a PAC splinter grouping. The Bloemfontein High Court however ordered this group to stop gathering or organising under the PAC's name or colours. Skwatsha described him as a brilliant public speaker always at the forefront of the party during difficult times. Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9249 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.cominline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] KHOISAN X - MEMORIAL AND FUNERAL
Hi Cde Seroke I agree with you, even though I may not have all the facts. However, the point is that Khoisan X was an bona fide Africanist. Differences prevailing in the movement should not be in the public domain. How crazy can it be if in the media someone can say to the public that Khoisan was not the member of the PAC. Immediately after his passing away, the mainstream media carried various articles with a similar wording' Former PAC leader dies at 55'. I kindly implore anymore to desist to any temptation to spoil the reputation of Khoisan that we should respect, as we will be paying a final respect to him. Izwe Lethu From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:43 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] KHOISAN X - MEMORIAL AND FUNERAL Comrades On Sunday, 17 October, I attended a memorial service in honour of Benny Alexander (Khoisan X) organised by his family, his friends and comrades, his business partners, his spiritual leaders, and the Griqua royal house whom he advised on cultural and political matters. It was a touching ceremony held in the garden of Benny's business colleague, and it affected the participants greatly as speakers recounted their various experiences with him. An arrangement has been made to coordinate the week's events that will lead up to Saturday, 23 October, when this great son of Africa will be taken to his final resting place. On Monday morning, 18 Oct, SAfm will dedicate 09:05 till 10:00 to Khoisan X. Phillip Dlamini, Mark Shinners, Lesaoana Makhanda and possibly his ex-wife, Imani Milima Alexander, will discuss his political life including his experiences as a personal aide to Uncle Zeph Mothopeng, as PAC Secretary General, and how he was mentored in the philosophy and political theory of revolutionary Pan Africanism. His interaction with the Khoisan people will also be attested to. This is a talk show - we encourage all Africanists to call in and express their condolences and fond memories of the fallen comrade. On Wednesday, 20 Oct, a Memorial Service will be for at 11:00 for about three and half hours at the Joburg City Hall on President Street. PAC stalwarts and political allies will be on the platform. Again, we encourage all available Party members and supporters to attend. The funeral will take place in Kimberley on Saturday, 23 Oct. The coordinating committee for the funeral is making final preparations for the programmes of the day. However, the venue is on Long Street in Kimberly and is said to accommodate up to a thousand people. An advance guard is today on the way to the Northern Cape to work on final touches. The event on Sat will start at 07:30. We urge mourners to travel safely, to and fro. In early September I was asked by a comrade and friend from the PAC branch in Alex to arrange that Benny be interviewed on the women's television programme, Motswako, on the cultural heritage of the Khoisan. He agreed without complaining even though he was not well, and had lately been unable to attend our own political sessions on the grounds of ill health. The programme was flighted on the night of September 27, wherein Khoisan X in a feeble voice articulated the cultural heritage of the Khoisan correctly in the context of the PAC's position on the national question. We spoke about it the next day and he wanted to hear my opinion. I merely said the brain drain in the PAC is not doing us any good. We will live to regret our self-styled hara-kiri and death wish. Except for sms messages, we never spoke again after that. Uncle Zeph passed on in October 1990 - Benny Alexander (Khoisan X) died in October 2010. This is my sad and last memory of Benny. My parting shot is that having worked with Khoisan X closely in the leadership of the PAC in the 1990s, I have come to respect the man for his open-mindedness and the ability to take debates and differences of opinion on any issue without holding personal grudges. His infectious laughter and wit took him out of tight corners most of the time, and he was always one man up in adversarial circumstances. He was not a saint and he had his imperfections like all other mortals. We can learn a lot from him and his entire life. All we must do, at this stage, is work towards making his a decent funeral. Uncharacteristic of the PAC, there has been a few loudmouths and liars such as the statement attributed to Mfanelo Skwatsha in the media (SAPA) where he refers to Imani on the wishes of the deceased. Imani says these are deliberate distortions and she has never even spoken to Skwatsha. She then spoke to Letlapa Mphahlele privately to set the record straight - and his apologies were accepted. I say 'uncharacteristic' because never in our history have we used death as a platform to further own personal ends. I don't understand how you could say Benny was not a
RE: [PAYCO] ENDING THE CRISIS IN CAPITALISM OR ENDING CAPITALISM IN CRISIS
Dear Cde's Seroke and Sbu When I have time I will write putting my argument straight that neither socialism nor communism will strive as an economic system for any economy. The scientific socialism that our patriarchs such as Sobukwe, Leballo and others, spoke about must be evaluated. We do need to be agile, globalization has challenged the traditional methods of doing things. Even ideologies must be scrutinized to see if they are compatible with current world reality. But I am extremely exited to see that Payco has that need to discuss matters such as these. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:08 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] ENDING THE CRISIS IN CAPITALISM OR ENDING CAPITALISM IN CRISIS Sbu I'm not familiar with the PAYCO Economic Conference 2006 Resolutions. Please make references available. I take it this posed a continuing debate and vigorous discussion on a suitable economic model for the continent. South Africa is inherently a bastion of the western market economy and it is seen as a gateway for such penetration into the rest of Africa. Clearly there are difficulties and challenges which relate to the concepts of democracy, good governance, the criminality within the state, citizenship and the electoral system, and a host of others. 'Financial Aid' has always being used as a platform to impose regime change and to sustain neo-colonialism. These side issues de-focus and distract from discussing the macro economic environment for Azania. The SA public debate on economic models is therefore always slanted to prop up orthodox capitalism and in turn obfuscate the real crisis in capitalism. Revolutionary Pan Africanists pursue a socialist perspective, and I think in the revitalisation of this movement (led by the PAC) we should all take the debate seriously and add relevant views in public forums and contest key issues raised by the captains of industry in South Africa and their running mates in the government. The ANC leadership has announced on Monday 15 November 2010 that nationalisation will be left to experts to do an extensive research over two years, and then later thrown back as a report back to their members. This is pandering to the elites, and it delivers crucial decision making to the whims of a few. A typical top-down system. The Gear policy was also introduced in this manner - by World Bank trained experts. See where it led the combination of ANC/Cosatu/SACP. Marx said once the emerging elites taste the nectar of capital, they never let go. They want the status quo to remain. We should do better: our members, cadres and leadership must begin in earnest to debate these political and economic affairs. A lot has gone on in the world since the PAC was first formed and we need to redefine our Africanist Socialist Democracy standpoint with a greater detail and with specific application to the objective conditions in Southern Africa and then to the rest of Africa. Samir Amin (attached lecture notes) is an outstanding intellectual based in Senegal. We must familiarise ourselves with and discuss the merits of the Bamako Appeal (initiated by socialists) and their contradictions with the Nepad process, and other contributions which catch our fancy from critical and revolutionary thinkers. Including the concept of State Capitalism which you raise in you last missive. Izwe Jaki Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:18:23 +0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: Views from Cuba From: sbusiso.x...@gmail.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Comrades Excellent perspective from Cde Jaki on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and material conditions of both Cuba and China. I cannot resist the temptation to make primitive conclusion that state capitalism is prevailing economic model, currently. Russian Model, which progressed to state capitalism, Chinese Model is currently state capitalism (dominance of state owned enterprises) and USA force by economic meltdown to state capitalism (Government owns most banks, now). Even the emerging socialist pioneers like Venezuela and Bolivia are nationalizing through commercialization state owned enterprises. All these markets domestic private enterprises are playing a supportive role and foreign enterprises are tolerated for their technology. On hindsight, the 2006 Economic Conference of PAYCO identified number industries that need to nationalized, which is first step to state capitalism. Are our thoughts also in that ideological trajectory? It is only the shrinking economies of (Western) Europe that remains touched by this fashion. What am I missing? Can the ideals of socialism be met by socialist market economy? State capitalism? Most fundamental is approach of these countries results of vigorous application of scientific socialism or selling out? Sbu On 5 November
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Comrades from Two Camps. PAC 50 years of infighting is inherited by all generations to generations. Is this infighting genetically inherited ? Jacob Zuma attempted to save his day by ridiculing the PAC, not in an exact verbatim, but he said something like this as a warning to factions within their ranks, those going out of the ANC will be cursed like the PAC. Apart from the overt scorning of the PAC by Zuma. Are we really cursed ?If its true that from the inception there was rivalry in our ranks. Someone has pointed out that Josias Madzunya withdrew his Alexander constituency from participating in an anti pass campaign, because of his failed ambitions of leading the PAC. Then we would not date our paralysis in the Leballo's era. It is very unfortunate that the organization we so loved is so fragmented beyond any hope of repair to its pristine condition. The PAC will never come right, we like it or not, it will not. I know some of you comrades could be irked by these pessimistic assertions. But I tell you, in my case, I have been absent in participation, and when I was active in the early 90's, we had our sots of infighting. It's now close to 20 years in my life time that these infighting haven't ceased instead they proliferate.PAC going to court is bizarre, I saw this some years ago and I was befuddled. The PAC will be left with history of its own. I am afraid. No further appeal can be made. Resources are exhausted now. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9249/81 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za The contents and any attachments to this e-mail are subject to the following disclaimer: Click Here - Company Disclaimerhttp://www.randwater.co.za/Pages/LegalNotice.aspx The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke and Mmbara: Recently at Johannesburg I saw an Africa most ,likely from Nigeria, this man was selling t-shirts which had a good quality from the faced value . I was moved when I saw Robert Sobukwe in those Tshits and the inscription on it was the man that had a vision . today we live in the world that values much things such as patents, trademark and so on. The first thing that came to my mind, was to inquire if the guy had a permission to print Sobukwe on sell his t shirts. Whether the concern I had was legitimate or not, I was eventually thrilled that despite the unknown intentions of business people, Sobukwe has not fell on oblivion. I believe by now we should be having an operational Sobukwe Foundation. Look, Thabo Mbeki, who was not long ago removed from presidency by his principals has established for himself his own foundation. I believe the movement will triumph if we all dedicate out time and work so hard. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9249/81 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Riots in North Africa, a call for African Head of States to reform or face mutiny. Writes Mduduzi Sibeko 02-February-2011 08:33 PM Dear Comrades :Seroke, Sebenzile and others Current political unrests in Egypt and Tunisia present a watershed of the forceful unsetting of despotic rulers in Africa, Middle East and elsewhere in the Globe. It is not surprising, as it was earlier believed that globalization had the pros and cons in as far as governance is concerned. In the twenty first century, Nation States have completely lost their sovereignties. If the proliferation of international organizations in the preceding century challenged a Nation-State's sovereignty then Globalization has completely eroded it. How do then Nation States inhibit Globalization ? is the shutting down of cell phones connections, telephone lines and internet including its attendants now known as social networking sites such as Facebook, twitter and so on, as we have seen in Egypt, going to countervail Globalization. My conviction to the foregoing question is no. for starters, let us unpack what is going on in North Africa and the Middle east. The United States foreign policy is inimical for the world stability. 1. Firstly, foreign policy is the policy of a sovereign state in its interaction with other sovereign states this is how merriam-webster dictionary defines it. As this policy aims for the interaction of one Nation-States with other states, what is critical in this interaction is the protection of its national interests, such as national security and economic protection. There is therefore a symbiosis between national security and economic security. What do I mean by this. If the National Security of one nation is compromised, then its economic security is at stake. Consider for example the events of September 11, that is, the bombing of twin towers at World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001. How did this affect the aviation industry of the USA and the investors' confidence ?If this is understood, it will explain why the USA embroiled itself in the cold war with the Soviet-Union for more than fifty years in arms race with a total expenditure of 6 trillion US dollars from 1953 to 1990.In an effort to indoctrinate capitalism in the world which would latter benefits in own interests. The USA supported proxy wars in countries such as Afghanistan to withstand the Soviet influence in the early 1980's.Osama Bin-Laden was their main man in the standoff between the US and The Soviet Union. it also supported Saddam Hussein aggression towards Iran. With a fear of radical Islamist fundamentalists which would take over State's resources to fight the West, the US has been sponsoring the host of groupings against its perceived enemies. With approximately more than 1 billion $, the US has been sponsoring the Egyptian military. This is not a free ride for Hosni Mubarak who has ravaged his country for more than thirty years. His assumption of Arab leadership and a protection of Israel, which continues to this day to kill the defenseless people of Palestine and Syria, has earned him this financial support. The USA has hitherto supported Israel militarily. Today Israel is a Nuclear -power of the Middle East. Just consider Israel location, surrounded by Arabs left and Right, but no Nation States can eliminate Israel with its Military arsenal. The other threat of the US is the ascending of China, which has just outstripped Japan's second rating as an economic power. That is why the Obama administration was at pains to put pressure to Hu Jintaohttp://www.google.co.za/url?q=http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/people/hujintao.shtmlsa=Uei=jJZJTf7lMMWk8QP_-OyRDwved=0CDIQFjAIusg=AFQjCNFx4d9sCrUJZTNxH-D2tyTFiEAMeQ of China for human rights records and a Currency manipulation. The Yen is undervalued, goes the US argument. What about the Bailout plans of its Banking system. Why have they flooded more than 200 billion Dollars in their economy against the economics 101 teaching of demand and supply of money. If Human rights records mean anything to the US, the Obama administration would have long closed guantanamo bay which does not respect the Geneva Convention, the Taliban and Al qaeda fighters are never accorded the prisoner of war status. The US, even under Obama, has not up to this day ratified the Rome treaty establishing the international Criminal Court at the Hague. The fear is that the Court with International Jurisdiction would indict the US belligerents who are known for the violations of International law in as far the Treaty of Geneva and other successive are concerned. To compounding everything the US has shielded Hosni Mubarak, despite, an ensuring putsch by more than a significant proportion of the populace. If we retrospect, the US is guilty for massive lost of lives and underdevelopment of Africa, in its rivalry with the Soviet Union, in order to fight
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Heroes of the struggle come home at last Families bring remains back from Lesotho Feb 17, 2011 11:12 PM | By MICHAEL KIMBERLEY The remains of six struggle icons killed in Lesotho while in exile more than 25 years ago were exhumed and reburied in Eastern Cape this week. Current Font Size: * Tweethttp://twitter.com/share * Sharehttp://www.facebook.com/sharer.php [http://www.timeslive.co.za/multimedia/dynamic/00515/Graves_515052b.jpg] Photograph by: FINBARR O'REILLY Credit: REUTERS [quote]'My brother can now rest in peace' [quote] A prayer service was held in East London on Wednesday night for the fallen anti-apartheid heroes. Family members and hundreds of other mourners were in attendance, most of them waving PAC flags. Eight members of Umkhonto we Sizwe and of the Azanian People's Liberation Army from the Amathole district were buried in Lesotho during the apartheid years. Two of the Apla activists, Cassius Barnabus and Boniswa Ngcukana, were killed while crossing the border from Lesotho into South Africa in 1985. It was never established who was responsible for their deaths, but the then SA Defence Force was suspected. Mzukisi Skweyiya, a former South African non-white bantamweight boxing champion, was killed in suspicious circumstances in a car accident in 1985. His remains were among those of the six. The SADF shot dead the three others, Sipho Notana, Lepota Marayi and Mzwanele Fazzie, in Maseru in 1982. The bodies of Leon Meyer and his wife, Jacqueline, were left in Lesotho at the request of their families. Meyer died in Lesotho in 1985. His wife, Jacqueline Anne Quinn, was a teacher there. A delegation of more than 20 - relatives of the liberation fighters and Amathole district municipality officials - travelled to Lesotho on Sunday to exhume the remains and return them to East London. This was done with the co-operation of the National Prosecuting Authority and the SA National Heritage Council. The bodies were buried about 3.6m deep, reportedly on the apartheid government's instructions, to ensure relatives would struggle to retrieve loved ones. The National Prosecuting Authority has a team dedicated to investigating the disappearances of political activists between 1960 and 1994. The team faces a huge backlog - to date, the remains of only about 100 of 400 missing people have been tracked down and exhumed. Yesterday, Barnabus' wife, Nohle, said: It was very emotional, but I am very happy with what we have achieved. We have brought my husband home. Fazzie's older brother, Zukile, said: My mother is very happy. The remains have been returned to the family. My brother can now rest in peace. Amathole spokesman Gail Pullen said: There are many artifacts and mementos that are still located in foreign countries, including the bodies of struggle heroes who never received a proper burial in their home country. The municipality would help families bury their loved ones. The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpginline: image002.gifinline: image003.gif
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Cde Seroke; Do you know comrade Victor Mayekiso, who was he ?. I have his speech to the combatants in Tanzania dated 1968 Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9249/81 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke: Yesterday, when I saw I notification that today, a memorial lecture of Prof Sobukwe was taking place at Fort Hare today. I spoke to professor Kondlo, who told me that he was flying today to deliver a keynote address. It was unfortunate, that it was taking place in a far flung area. I do not know about the existence of the Sobukwe trust. One information, that may be incorrect is that, some foundations or trusts have became defunct. But it appears that the existing foundation is independent to the PAC. I support this, if it's the case. Sobukwe is an unsung continental hero. Thatmi kaplajie, once said to me, we should venerate Sobukwe making his thoughts our daily bread, unfortunately he left heading to the wilderness. Sobukwe, should have a monument or any government building named after him. We should lobby strongly for this. In Daveyton, where I live, we have a place named after Stanley Mokgoba, Ironically, no sign of PAC members existing now. the charterist have failed to rename that area. What about Prof ? Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9249/81 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke: I am expecting to be soon blessed with a baby boy, and my intention is to name him 'Azania' and 'Patrice'. On the latter, Patrice Lumumba, a Congolese Africanist who was murdered untimely in a sectarian disunity of Congolese people. Lumumba is one of the forgotten heroes of Africa, among the list of the unsung heroes I may include Tom Mboya of Kenya. It is noteworthy that prof in his speeches made references to them and others incessantly. I have had a disagreement with my wife, who is uniformed about the gigantic contribution that these men made in our course of self-determination. Azania, adopted by the PAC in circa 1967 was a preferred name for a liberated South Africa ( a colonial name which marked the unity of settlers after the Anglo-Boer war in 1909). This name was latter adopted by the BCM activist in the late seventies. I have been attempting without a success to get its etymology. Where did we get 'Azania' ? one thought says it is an Arabic name which means land in the South. My overall intention is that whenever we are no more, those that will remain could say we were there, as pro put it in one of his speeches. Keeping the legacy intact, one means is to popularize the name Azania, I am happy that there are many people with the name Azania. At one instance, where I work, I came across with a vendor called Azania enterprises was emboldened with that, to me, that that an embodiment of pride with the Africanist ideology. To those scholars who subscribe that we are in a post -ideological era, I say to them their assessments or analysis is blind. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke: I first got acquainted with the name Zakes Mda some time ago, most probably from your writings, when you were writing about South African writers. Some months ago, in a shopping center at Benoni, where I live, I saw the book. They made separate collection of Zakes's books. To me, I had an impression that Zakes was a late author, I don't know where did I get that impression.. Lately, I have been googling about him, and I have established that he was and is an illustrious writer. I understand that currently he's lecturing in the US. I will definitely get myself a copy very soon. The other writer that become an unsung figure was Bessie Head, a South African native, who went to live in Botswana. Her masterpiece work, Maru was a textbook for English in Matric for many years in South Africa. I was befuddled at University, in the department of African Politics, when we were doing comparative politics in Southern African that that the name of Bessie Head appeared. Looking back at your contribution to this circulation on a host of issues, I must admit that your writings are second to no one, that is, they are unsurpassed nor unsurpassable. I certainly believe that maybe writers such as Zakes had an indelible impression on your pen. Where you a member of the COSAW, what was the role of this organization in the eighties ? Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Erratum on the preceding email. I wanted to write 'do addicts' instead of don addicts, please ignore 'n' when reading. Also an unfinished sentence which should read send my late brother's son to rehabilitation institution' -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mduduzi Sibeko Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:36 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] pictures and article for publication Cde Thomo: Don addicts really quit drugs. I have been flogging a dead horse by trying to send my late brother's son. He promises to quit when he is arrested. Once he comes back, he returns to his habit. I see that you are quite involved in bringing people back to life. Your affords are highly appreciated. Our society needs to be rehabilitated. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomo Nkgadima Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:09 PM To: tshere Subject: [PAYCO] pictures and article for publication Photos by Thomo waga Nkgadima Photo caption:Standing From left Daniel Nthole,Sonto Semelane, Gloria Hlazana,Anton Hendrics(wearing red T/shirt and school learners listerning attentively to an offender's life story. From smoking cigarette to drugs! By Thomo waga Nkgadima Baviaanspoort Emthonjeni juvenile correctional centre of excellence situated 28 km east side of Tshwane,Gauteng hosted crime prevention awareness recently educating school learners about the serious consequences of committing crime. About 124 school kids of Vukuzenzele primary school grade 6 and 7 learners with age ranging from 12 to 16 years from Mamelodi, Nellmapius Ext 3 visited juvenile prison following countless complaints from concerned parents about alarming and mushrooming drug abuse incidents among young people in their area. Offender Anton Rudy Hendricks (21) told an anecdote of how as a child he started smoking cigarette at an early age to be accepted among his peer rather to impress his friends(Due to peer group pressure). Hendricks latter graduated from cigarette to dagga and latter cocaine. That was his point of no return. Today he ended up in prison serving 3 years jail term after Roodepoort Magistrate court convicted him of robbery. Thankfully he acknowledged that he committed crime to feed his bad drug habit. I committed robbery, so that I can get money to buy drugs, He said. He described prison as 'hell'. It is not a walk in a park to serve a sentence in prison but learning through painful experience, he said. Hendicks is undergoing substance abuse programme behind bars and educates fellow inmates about the effects of drugs. There was once a time when the use of drugs was considered a minor issue in township schools but today it has become a major problem, and hardly a day passes without media reports on drugs in South African schools. This is a clear testimony of how the drug market is booming in South Africa. Nowadays it has became more fashionable for school kids to use drugs, unfortunately this affects their school performance, their lives at home, their social conduct and behavior on daily basis, Said: Sonto Simelane, Vukuzenzele primary school teacher. Simelane expressed her feelings about life of juvenile offenders behind bars: It is not a nice feeling to see sentenced kids behind bars. Emthonjeni Manager Social work services and Assistand Director Maggy Matlou warned parents to be aware: Kids are likely to become addicted to drugs as a result peer group pressure. However, doctors are prescribing stimulants, sedatives or tranquillizers for children who suffer from tension, anxiety or depression and that can also lead to drug abuse . We cannot allow drugs to rule lives of our kids, Matlou said. The tour that started at the centre's admission building block was an eye opener to learners. To get firsthand experience about life behind bars.Matlou concluded. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any
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Cde Seroke: Comrade Jan Shoba became popular during our PASO and Azanyu days. I remember I had his Tshirt with the inscription what the enemy oppose, support and what the enemy supports, oppose. I didn't see him in person. I remember when he was killed. Please tell us about what you know about this fallen unsung hero of our national liberation struggle. Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Sobukwe's memorial lecture This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com 6th Robert Sobukwe Memorial Lecture.docx Description: 6th Robert Sobukwe Memorial Lecture.docx
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Cde Thabo: I hope you are alluding to Letlapa Mphahlele, and your query is whether he voted or not. To my understanding and perception, the PAC lost a media hype. The whereabouts of Mphahlele during elections can be a matter of speculation, unless someone knows where did he vote. I can certainly believe, he voted. A week ago, I met an old friend who was an africanist, greeting him, I expected a warm reception. He began his long moan about his personal problem, which he claimed to have been worsened by the PAC. He claimed that africanist burnt his house, and other allegation which I believed to be baseless. At the end, all what he told me, explained his resolve to join the ANC. I have met tens of Africanists that have capitulated, others have been not been timid to tell me that they wanted an organization that progresses. By this, they mean that they need some state accruals in a form of benefiting from state's tenders. We are a neo-patrimonial state, by this we mean that allegiances to a particular ideology depends on clientelism. On other words, it matters not what are your personal values, money is all what matters. Unfortunately, africanist have fallen prey to this predator called clientelism. I wonder, how difficult was it for us to capitalize on the weakness of the ANC's service delivery. Should the DA transcend our ability to influence on African people. What did prof mean when he said ...the PAC will triumph, because we have African people on our side.. if we can make some imprints on the elections, how do we justify our relevance ? I suggest that we go back, think about using all recourses to attract attention to the PAC. Maybe lets go to the scattered ensemble of africanist groupings such as APC, Pan Africanist Movement And other unorganized formations. We need to work tirelessly. I believe three or four times ,Seroke has mentioned that the DP (now DA) was at doldrums in post 1994 era, clinching only 2 %, but look where it is today. There was a hype and anxiety about its inroads in the previously disadvantaged African communities. Lets us invite friends to our meetings, let us expand this circulation. I see, we have less than 500 people that are on PAYCO group. If we can have a goal of extending the list to 1000 before the end of the year. I hope we would have done well. I tell you, I got someone who joined the PAC through this circulation. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of thabo mathiba Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:50 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] ezwelethu ma-afrika is it true our president didnt vote yersterday if yes indeed its true why didnt he vote On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Cde Seroke: http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/goodlife/2011/05/17/quality-reading#leaf Attached is an article about Muendane. Some years ago, I attempted to establish some personal contacts with him as a stalwart of the PAC. Again, his involvement in the central role of the PAC around 1979-1980's after the deposition of Leballo ,meant that I could learn a lot from him. However, when I spoke to him, he snapped at me, insisting that I should speak to his secretary. Disappointed, I enquired about his personal outlook from those that worked with him, and I was told that he had an abrasive disposition. Among other things, he seems to be an passionate writer. His work about Vusimuzi Make, did not seem to have enjoyed a wide circulation among the PAC people. I have established that, in the criticism of his work about Make, that Muendane seemed to have over venerated Make. While I was extolling him on writing about Make, one PAC (who remains nameless) retorted and said we were there, and the things that Muendane say are exaggerations. Has Muendane fall into oblivion within the file and ranks of the PAC. Please relate to me about his literary contribution within the organization and his role in the Make's leadership. I got a glimpse from Kondlo's work about Muendane. KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance T +27-11-724-9281tel:%2B27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595tel:%2B27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929tel:%2B27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za/ This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption
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Cde Elijah Skhosana: The strategy of the PAC should be miscellaneous. Relying on a single narrow approach will be very treacherous for us. Are you aware that the DA has been campaigning in Universities to get graduates alluring them with some sots of lucrative offers in its cooperate formations. Someone told me that, in order to defeat your enemy, emulate and improve their strategy. We haven't fought blood fights with the charterists to bicker for membership or political influence. They have always been ahead of us, and we have been trailing behind. My central point is, whichever, strategy that we can come with. If its designed to lead us to the revamped PAC I am happy. Your argument is too simplistic, let us capture the poor, landless and so on. The question I have is do they believe in us as credible leaders. i tell you, we need to develop structures before we can claim the support of the downtrodden masses of Azania. Why did Vusimuzi Make seek to restore the splinter group Templeton Ntantala in exile ? the option should have been simple and said, these are just dissidents who must be ignored. Those that chronicle our history tell us that during the periods of Vusimuzi Make and John Nyathi Pokela the PAC was back to its pristine position in which it was the 60's. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Elijah Skhosana Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 11:11 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] National.xls M-Afrika Walter/Mduduzi, are you saying that the success of the PAC depends on those who deserted it instead of the masses who really need it for their ultimate freedom? Those who still believe in the revival of the PAC must work hard and with unequaled commitment in putting the line across in every corner of the land preaching the gospel of truth to the masses, perchance those who deserted the party will also hear the message and come back home. I am not suggesting that our fellow Africans and Africanists in those formations should not be recruited back but that should not be the programme of the party lest we will be like others surviving on making alliances so that we can get seats in parliament. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Walter Molapo Sent: 20 May 2011 10:13 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] National.xls Cde Ali Khangela Hlongwane, when are you guys gona realise that as Africans we really need each other. Comrades in PAM, APC, some in ID and DA including ANC were members of PAC, if PAC is serious about occupying a strategic place in the politics of our African continent and the world it must seek to claim these comrades back to PAC. PAC COMRADES PLEASE START TO THINK BIG. a...@joburg.org.za 2011/05/20 09:52 AM Cde Mduduzi I would like to point out that the line you are taking is meaningless. That is looking at PAM and APC as so-called brothers. The teachings of the founders of the PAC particularly Sobukwe, Pokela and Mothopeng was always that we must look up to the masses of African people. We are told that the population of Azania is 49 million people. We must look to those millions of Africans out there-intellectuals, students, the youth, workers, the rural poor, the unemployed and the homeless. It is by understanding the new struggles of these popular classes that we can rebuild the PAC. In fact it is these masses who can rebuild the PAC. This will translate into the PAC having a presence in the ever changing settlement landscape of Azania; it will mean the PAC evolving fresh perspectives on the complex problems of Azania, Africa and the world we live in; it will mean the PAC evolving new strategies and tactics for organising and mobilising- I agree with you that the PAYCO goggle group has potential and we should encourage more Africanists to subscribe. We may not agree with Obama but it would be foolish not to study his mastery of the new forms of communication. The same applies to the uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia. Can the sms, email, etc be one of many forums we can use to speak to each other, strategise and rebuild structure. In the final analysis a programme of renewal that looks to people who broke away from the PAC as opposed to the millions of people out there is bound to fail. Ali Khangela Hlongwane Chief Curator: Museum Africa 121 Bree Street Newtown 2001 Box 517 Newtown Tel:(011) 833 5624 Fax:(011)833 5636 Cell: 082 4639869 a...@joburg.org.za http//joburg.org.za/culture/museums-galleries (This letter was sent electronically and is therefore not signed) # The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system
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Dear Comrades Floyd shivambu, Julius Malema and ANC Youth league I certainly believe that this is the most trying time for the ANC and Youth League in the context of mass support. The saying goes as ' the hunter has become the hunted'. Over the past months the Youth League president Julius Malema has been ridiculing the PAC and its history. Among other things Malema has misguidedly deceived his followers and the African people in general about the PAC of Azania. Among other things, Malema including scribers in the ANC today have misled the African people about the history of South Africa. According to him, the PAC including other liberation movements have never been liberation movement. This is a blatant revision of history of this country. On one occasion, Malema falsely stated that the Sharpville day was a protest of the ANC, and that the PAC stole it from the ANC. This was extremely absurd in the sense that it negated what the historian authorities have said about the PAC's role in this campaign. Leading ANC figures who were at the highest echelons of the ANC then including Duma Nokwe admitted that the event was planned and belonged to the PAC. In an article that appeared in the ANC today, the writers cherry picked extracts from the work of historians such as Tom Lodge to ridicule the PAC. Admittedly, we haven't done well in the electoral game in this country, however, I need to point out that such seetbacks do not necessarily erode the history which we are part of. Firstly, I m not certain if you are aware that we are the organization that changed the history of liberation struggle in this country. Without the PAC'S anti- pass campaign, the liberation movement would not have been banned. Secondly, why was the PAC banned in 1960 if it was not a liberation movement. Thirdly, why would the PAC leader Mangaliso Sobukwe have his special law, Sobukwe Clause, aimed at keeping him in a political quarantine. Why would the liberal Helem Suzman, for a number of years agitate for the repealation of a Sobukwe clause for a number of years. Historians such as Tom Lodge, that your writers selectively quote, say unambiguously that PAC lobbying succeeded in the expulsion of the South African government in the General assembly of the United Nations in the 1970's. I am raising these historical antecedents chiefly because Malema denies the historicity of the PAC's role in the liberation struggle. We are happily today that we have achieved a political independence, however, your structure ( ANC youth League) denies our role in the struggle for liberation. We are perplexed when you reacted when liberal formations such as DA and COPE CLAIMED THAT Nelson Mandela voted then in these elections. Also the DA has been staging its rallies in places wherein you claim heritage. Is it ok when you discount others role in the liberation struggle and oppose that you claim to have stolen your heritage ?. Azapo which was the brainchild of BCM of the 70's has been stripped its liberation credentials. tell us how does one earn liberation struggle credentials. Is it belonging to the ANC ? I am certain that objective historian have engraved our history in the rocks, and to erase it is not difficult but impossible. I am a witness to the role of the PAC liberation struggle. surprisingly, Mr Malema has made some sort of a detour in your Freedom Charter by saying that the land doesn't belong to all who live on it, in his call for land expropriation campaigns. The PAC which has been harping on land question for many years, finds Julius Malema supporting that cause, but failing to acknowledge its architects. Hope to hear from you KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required
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Dear comrade Mzu: I was not able to respond to your response last week due to some daily chores and work commitments. However, I need to make the following comments. You seem to have a parochial view of our political antecedents. It is a simple thing to blame the ANC and NP for the World Trade Center settlement, and other thing to absolve the blame to the PAC . this, I say, because you indicate that the victory was the ANC'S. The point I wanted to make was that, during the negotiations, the capitalists were much aware of what they were likely to lose in negotiations. Eventually, they sought to safeguard the following *Sunset clause (Power sharing) *Bill of rights ( right to own a property) *TRC ( a means to evade jail for offenders of apartheid) The foregoing list is not exhaustive, however, it is indicative of the fact that whites acted proactively. As I indicated that in any armed conflict, parties in belligerence ought to negotiate the immunity of belligerents. World history in armed conflicts is replete with examples of diplomacy or negotiations after wartime for the protection of the guerrillas. Admittedly, we were inexperienced and myopic of the fact that our fraternal brothers ( ANC) would turn against us. As a result, we are sitting with an challenging problem of having our comrades languishing in prisons in a country they fought to liberate. Unfortunately, to resolve this problem, insurrection can never be an ideal solution, rather constitutional means can be appropriate. However, the so called presidential pardons are invariably taking protracted time. it is very touching that people that fought to liberate us are behind bars. KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke/Hlongwane Recently, I have seen some emails from comrades wanting to be unsubscribed. I asked myself, if maybe this circulation is no longer relevant or the issues that we discuss don't have any meaning for the readers. Do you perhaps have a clue ? KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke and Mzu On the issue of race and who was an African this is what Sobukwe said Politically we stand for government of the Africans for the Africans by the Africans with everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority, being regarded as an African. We guarantee no minority rights because we are fighting precisely that group-exclusiveness which those who plead for minority rights would like to perpetuate. It is our view that if we have guaranteed individual liberties we have given the highest guarantee necessary and possible. I have said before, and I will still say so now, that I see no reason why, in a free, democratic Africa, a predominantly black electorate should not return a white man to parliament, for colour will count for nothing in a free Africa. During the late eighties and early 90's. I grappled with the problem of harmonizing the concepts of white minority rule, (as it was a common phrase or a cliché that was used in the literature of liberation movements) and what Sobukwe had said about who was an African and our unqualified loathing of minority rights guarantees. Sometimes in 1993, Former president Clarence Makwethu had a meeting with Mr. fw De klerk. According to President Makwethu, F.W said to him. Mr. Makwethu, can I have a question to you ?. Makwethu said go ahead Who is a settler asked De Klerk. You see, without a coherent ideological understanding, it would have been difficult for Makwethu to delineate our position in as far as the issue of race and who was an African. however, Mr. Makwethu ,was at times, astute and vibrant in debates. He clarified the position to Mr. De Klerk. The question that you raised about the over- inclusiveness of the definition of African is a problem that I don't think that as an africanist i will address it satisfactorily. We define an African as everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority the questions becomes, what about those that are natives in this country but do not want to accept the democratic rule of the African majority. admittedly, we as africanist are extremely reluctant to regard whites as Africans. The very same tagging them as settlers was ideologically incorrect. I know very well that some of you that have read to this passage may be now beginning to tag me as a liberal. Be what it may be, this is my understanding which may also be ideologically incorrect. The question is, designations such as Settlers, Europeans and others, were they to be used perpetually. What did we mean when we said and venerated Sobukwe's words which read as in our vocabulary, the word races as applied to man, does not exist, we regard multiracism as racism multiplied I do not gainsay the indisputable fact that there are whites, who are even to this day, do not want to accept the democratic rule of the majority. Isolating them from the definition of who is an African becomes as difficult as flogging a dead horse to life again. Maybe, the concept of human race was just a simplicity, how is it applied. Let's be honest. Do we regard whites today as Africans ? the question is very difficult for me kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:59 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Dear comrade Mduduzi, As a young Afrikan I thank Afrikans like you and Jaki who I can see are still making it their duty to nurture young Afrikans out there unlike some who were in the APLA and are now a disgrace to Pan Afrikanism. Is the definition of an Afrikan that tata Sobukwe still relevant today given the experiences recently? I think I need a bit of a clarity on this as I think it is too inclusive, inclusive of people who wants to be excluded from this category. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Dear comrade Mzu: I was not able to respond to your response last week due to some daily chores and work commitments. However, I need to make the following comments. You seem to have a parochial view of our political antecedents. It is a simple thing to blame the ANC and NP for the World Trade Center settlement, and other thing to absolve the blame to the PAC . this, I say, because you indicate that the victory was the ANC'S. The point I wanted to make was that, during the negotiations, the capitalists were much aware of what they were likely to lose in negotiations. Eventually, they sought to safeguard the following *Sunset clause (Power sharing) *Bill of rights ( right to own
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Cde Mphahlele: You make a valid point through a citation in the foregoing. However, the same quotation reads ...and a man's colour will be as irrelevant as is the shape of his ears. I infer that your interpretation is that until the Land issue is addressed and the government of the Africans by the Africans is a fait accompli. I am among the millions that are frustrated and infuriated that its until now that the so called liberation of 1994, has not changed the status quo of before 1994. What is poignantly disappointing is that the PAC has not emerged in the hot debates currently taking place within the ANC in the media. The Land issue and distribution of wealth that Malema is harping on are the positions of the PAC. The PAC has let opportunists to steal its historic position. It's a similar thing it did in exile, that is, it failed to counter the propaganda machinery of the ANC. What do we mean by 'the government of the African by the African' ? does this recognise a government of the ANC as a legitimate government of the African People ? if it does, I would say your argument falls short of potency. I know that asking this question holding a bull by its horns. I am saying so chiefly because you argued as per your quotation, that the recognition of other national groups as Africans will take place once a complete independence is a fait accompli. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:49 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Cdr Mduduzi and all other Africanists Race remains as Sobukwe has said a thorny issue. Like you comrade it is really difficult for me to separate an African from a Settler. However I pasted an extract from Sobukwe State of the Nation Campaign and believe it should give us an insight into this whole issue of race. We will go on, Sons and Daughters of Afrika, until in every shanty, in every bunk in the compounds, in every hut in the deserted villages, in every valley and on every hill top, the cry of African freedom and independence is heard. We will continue until we walk the streets of our land as free men and free women, our heads held high. We will go on until the day dawns when every person who is in Afrika will be African and a man's colour will be as irrelevant as is the shape of his ears. We will go on, steadfastly, relentlessly and determinedly until the cry of Afrika for the Africans, the Africans for humanity and humanity for God becomes a reality; until government of the Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait accompli. Having read through this extract then the answer will be whites as part of the foreighn possesser and usurpers of our land remains settlers. All whites irrispective of whatever will remain settlers as long as they continue holding on our land that was brutally stolen from Africans. They will remain settlers and not Africans until the day dawn on which our revolutionary mission is complete. To take from the above extract; until government of the Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait accompli. I believe that though our leaders appeared more moderate for reconciliation purpose on the issue of settlers the truth remains as Mogabe has put it that A SETTLER REMAINS A SETTLER. We should stop contradicting our selve thinking for people who care less about us. --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: From: Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] To: payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Cde Seroke and Mzu On the issue of race and who was an African this is what Sobukwe said Politically we stand for government of the Africans for the Africans by the Africans with everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority, being regarded as an African. We guarantee no minority rights because we are fighting precisely that group-exclusiveness which those who plead for minority rights would like to perpetuate. It is our view that if we have guaranteed individual liberties we have given the highest guarantee necessary and possible. I have said before, and I will still say so now, that I see no reason why, in a free, democratic Africa, a predominantly black electorate should not return a white man to parliament, for colour will count for nothing in a free Africa. During the late eighties and early 90's. I grappled with the problem of harmonizing the concepts of white minority rule, (as it was a common phrase or a cliché that was used in the literature of liberation movements) and what Sobukwe had said about who was an African and our unqualified loathing of minority rights guarantees. Sometimes in 1993, Former president Clarence Makwethu had a meeting with Mr. fw De klerk. According to President Makwethu, F.W said to him. Mr. Makwethu, can I
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Hi Cde Mzu: Your writings seem to be averse to socio-economic policies such as GEAR, even though, you don't go at length ridiculing their counterparts such as ASGISA and others. Recently, you have been expressing your loath to the admiration of former ANC President, Thabo Mbeki by some of our comrades such as Cunningham. But my concern is PAC people have been championing to censure economic policies of other parties without voicing alternatives for the African people. In the 90's, I remember a policy document that was formulated by Dr. Sipho Tshabalala. It amongst other thing touched serious matters such as nationalization, privatization and other issue that have resurged recently in the ANCYL. That was the last time, I hear of an economic talk within the file and rank membership of the PAC. The neo-liberal socio economic policies of the ANC, which are Keynesian, have been a center of debate by the alliance itself and the intelligentsia. Many social science writers have poured scorn to what the ANC have been doing in the context of socio economic policies. For an extensive reading on this see Hans Maraais, South Africa's alternative to change The ANC has not succeeded in formulating an economic policy that will benefit the majority. But my concern is, the PAC has not come with an economic perspective viable for the country. So my challenge to you is: if a charterist were to come to you and ask you a questions as follows: what is the socio-economic policy the PAC government will implement ? what would your response be ? KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 Email: msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za URL:www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Dear Mzu: You wrote maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that the penny dropped after protracted time, that driving a white man in to the sea was never a PAC policy. The basic document that we have been recently invoking for our politics does not exclude white people as human beings. We talk of human race, an all inclusive approach to the question of race. I wonder why we continue with the rhetoric of driving settlers away in Africa. We us understand, in no uncertain terms, that even if the PAC were to win elections. Driving white people away if far from being our approach. Let us rather understand how do we approach the race question and the indisputable fact that they still own our material possessions, that is, 87 % of our land and 80 % of wealth is in their hands. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:10 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] It is not for me as an individual to come up with a solution for the Afrikans but all of the Afrikans collectively. Poqo we cannot do as the charterists are doing currently i.e. Presenting a solution for the masses as an elite that thinks they are more educated than the masses. Represantative democracy has proved itself that it is a disaster in many states around Afrika not that I am a fan of democracy. One thing I can say for now is that Land has to be expropriated(in a liberal democracy like SA but as Pan Afrikanists we reposses the land that was robbed from us) from the settlers and maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that. What we need for Afrika is an economic system which is pro-black(You affirmitive action policies,Ho can a minority affirm a majority in their indeginous land) an economy that will remedy the wounds of Afrikans which have been rubbed salt onto by the Market orientated socio economic policies that the ANC (infact the settlers under the disguise of the Vararas) which have proved themselves that they are anti-black. Our people need land and skills to use the land. We cannot promise people houses when land is still occupied by whites, we cannot promise jobs when that simply means making someone rich and you just surviving. We also need an education system which embraces indeginous knowledge and not this Eurocentric system which is destroying our youth like the Chinese who are teaching acupuncture and it is taught in Higher Learning institutions. All of this can only be attained if we can de colonise our masses and in doing so de colonising ourselves as well and UNITY is the only way we can defeat the enemy. I am sure zindlalifa you can also assist because we really need our own socio economic policy document for without it we will fail to deliver to our masses after we have taken the land and not after we are in power in Parliament because Parliament is hell. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Hi Cde Mzu: Your writings seem to be averse to socio-economic policies such as GEAR, even though, you don't go at length ridiculing their counterparts such as ASGISA and others. Recently, you have been expressing your loath to the admiration of former ANC President, Thabo Mbeki by some of our comrades such as Cunningham. But my concern is PAC people have been championing to censure economic policies of other parties without voicing alternatives for the African people. In the 90's, I remember a policy document that was formulated by Dr. Sipho Tshabalala. It amongst other thing touched serious matters such as nationalization, privatization and other issue that have resurged recently in the ANCYL. That was the last time, I hear of an economic talk within the file and rank membership of the PAC. The neo-liberal socio economic policies of the ANC, which are Keynesian, have been a center of debate by the alliance itself and the intelligentsia. Many social science writers have poured scorn to what the ANC have been doing in the context of socio economic policies. For an extensive reading on this see Hans Maraais, South Africa's alternative to change The ANC has not succeeded in formulating an economic policy that will benefit the majority. But my concern is, the PAC has not come with an economic perspective viable for the country. So my challenge to you is: if a charterist were to come to you and ask you a questions as follows: what is the socio-economic policy the PAC government will implement ? what would your response be ? KInd regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281tel:%2B27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595tel:%2B27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929tel:%2B27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176
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Mzu: The paralysis of the PAC has led other reactionary formations such as ANCYL to underscore our historical position of Land. The expropriation of land is of paramount importance. ZANUPF of Zimbabwe, for instance, which was a fraternal counterpart of the PAC, has some ties with the ANCYL. For 50 years now, PAC is in its infinite wrangling. The issue of parliamentary politics is a difficult one. It was AZAPO in 1994 which refrained from participating in the elections. However, in years which would follow, they came on board into the parliamentary system do understand your frustration, the problems of this country need radical approach. But, lets rather see if we can have sizable support base, before we lay acclaim of speaking for the African majority. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:08 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] How do we then forsee this repossesion of our land if we still have the settler around. Driving white people in the sea is a very bad way of putting it but how do you think the white men is going to hand the land to us after centuries of bravery from young white men fighting to destroy our race. Humanity is a very sexy name moAfrika Mdu but what claims do whites have in Afrika? they do not belong in Afrika. Why should we be so generous when there is no black men who owns land in Europe. I think moAfrika we are doing the mistake if we do not update the mistakes that our previous leaders made because of the political climate at that time. Firstly wether we like it or not the definition of an Afrikan is not accurate because tata Sobukwe never for a second did he try and use the word indeginous in his definition. Also we have fallen in the trap of Parliament hence we are defeated like boys fighting with men because we cannot fight for our people when the are Parliamentarians amongst us. They always sought to defend their priviledges and huge salaries of being Parliamentarians hence Lethlapa is the way he is now. We cannot fight for the emancipation of black people and at the same time defend white interests in Afrika. If that is what the basic document is then it needs to be updated. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za wrote: Dear Mzu: You wrote maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that the penny dropped after protracted time, that driving a white man in to the sea was never a PAC policy. The basic document that we have been recently invoking for our politics does not exclude white people as human beings. We talk of human race, an all inclusive approach to the question of race. I wonder why we continue with the rhetoric of driving settlers away in Africa. We us understand, in no uncertain terms, that even if the PAC were to win elections. Driving white people away if far from being our approach. Let us rather understand how do we approach the race question and the indisputable fact that they still own our material possessions, that is, 87 % of our land and 80 % of wealth is in their hands. From: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mzu Cabanga Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:10 PM To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] It is not for me as an individual to come up with a solution for the Afrikans but all of the Afrikans collectively. Poqo we cannot do as the charterists are doing currently i.e. Presenting a solution for the masses as an elite that thinks they are more educated than the masses. Represantative democracy has proved itself that it is a disaster in many states around Afrika not that I am a fan of democracy. One thing I can say for now is that Land has to be expropriated(in a liberal democracy like SA but as Pan Afrikanists we reposses the land that was robbed from us) from the settlers and maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not forsee that. What we need for Afrika is an economic system which is pro-black(You affirmitive action policies,Ho can a minority affirm a majority in their indeginous land) an economy that will remedy the wounds of Afrikans which have been rubbed salt onto by the Market orientated socio economic policies that the ANC (infact the settlers under the disguise of the Vararas) which have proved themselves that they are anti-black. Our people need land and skills to use the land. We cannot promise people houses when land is still occupied by whites, we cannot promise jobs when that simply means making someone rich and you just surviving. We also need an education system which embraces indeginous knowledge
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Dear comrade Mzu: I have noticed on myriad occasions that your thoughts exhibit the highest form of racial extremism. The armed struggle with its concomitants slogans such as one settler, one bullet is to be apportioned a blame for a continued radicalism that exist today in the PAC. Some of you think that our radicalism, which we espoused in late 60's and 90's, was to run perpetually. I challenge you to digest the writings of our pioneer fathers such as Robert Sobukwe, Peter Raboroko and others. You will come to a realization that kicking out white people or any national groups, as we have seen in some countries that followed ethnic cleansing, amount to the opposite of white PAC said. I can't cite Sobukwe, I think you have a literature to refer to. However, I am perplexed with your convictions of Herrenvolkism. admittedly, there are challenges that face the dispossessed African majority, but I have some reservation about how you believe we should attend them. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Seroke: It would seem that the penny has dropped that South Africa and AU have long been serving the West's interests in the Libyan crisis, when South Africa refused to vote at the UN Security council; to unfreeze the Libyan assets worth billions of US Dollars. The argument, cogent and reasonable is that the Libyan rebels leadership is a de facto Libyan authority. Reports have it that British Prime minister telephoned Zuma earlier this week imploring him that South Africa should vote in favor of the unfreezing of the Libyan assets to the rebel leadership at the security council. South Africa and the AU have argued that the all inclusive process that could encompass the fallen government of Gaddafi in a transitional process, that is, a transitional government as a harbinger to a new democratic government desired by the West. This defiance is long overdue. Voting for resolution 1973 was a manifestation of self- humiliation. Who in his right mind could not see the feigned hypocrisy of the no fly area zone was a naked regime change machination. In the last minute, South Africa, as a leader in Africa is doing a damage control. This is akin to ridiculing the devastating impact of lung cancer in the lungs without appreciating the culpability of smoking. Also playing the arson and extinguisher roles simultaneously. How dark was the window that it could not reflect that resolution 1973 was a legitimized and manipulated international law to get rid of Gaddafi. With the international economics intertwined and globalization suppressing Africa, it seem that we are a million miles away from self determination. We may have sovereign status as African countries, however, a Neo colonial forces are still powerful. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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When a leader that is abhorred by the US and its allies ids toppled, chaos ensure I was much younger when Saddam Hussein failed to annex Kuwait in 1990. With his allies, George Bush senior, drove Saddam's troops away from Kuwait and latter announced victory. This was as true as Bamba Ndwandwe once remarked friends today are enemies tomorrow. The erstwhile ally of US had been a its foe ostensibly of selfish US interests in the oil deposits that God has endowed on Arabs.The bin ladens, needless to mentioned, they fought proxy war funded by the CIA to drive out the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan. Jonas Savimbi, Mobutu Sese seko and others is just a handful people that can be cited. These people received patronage from the US. Today, as we speak, the champion of African unity, Gaddafi has fallen, with much varied commentaries of his 42 years of rule in Libya. The US and its allies continue with their endless pursuit of their interests in Libya. It appeared as if South Africa would defy further US and West imperialism. However, such defiance had a short shelf life; reports are that South Africa has finally yielded to a pressure from the West to agree with the unfreezing of Libyan assets to the rebels. I expect South Africa to yield again to the next demand. We don't know what that demand going to be. What is remarkable is a statement emitted by the British Defense Secretary Liam Fox. Fox misleads the world when he spoke to the radio, he saidThey wanted the world at one point to stand with them against apartheid,... I think they now need to stand with the Libyan people, help unfreeze their assets and allow their authorities to get access to the capital they need to rebuild the country during the uprisings in South Africa emanating from rent boycotts, consumer boycotts, June 16 matches And a tens of strike actions, did they see that the nationalist party had lost legitimacy? Not to mention that it never had one. Why didn't they launch offensives against the NP government to oust it? Why there was clamor internationally when the Azanian People's Liberation army fought the illegitimate security forces of apartheid South Africa (after the ANC suspended its armed insurrection). When it was convenient that the conflict should not hurt Europeans, they supported negotiation, but when the lives of Africans are at consideration, they shell Africans States arming rebels so that Africans kill each other. Suppose that during the recent uprisings in England, if the demonstration had degraded to calls that the government of UK must step down, would they have armed the insurrectionists? Let us wait and see, but I am sceptical that peace after the deposal of Gaddafi will ensure. Perhaps South Africa and the AU are correct for an all-inclusive interim government of Libya. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Dear Mzu: I took all the trouble of understanding the story of emeritus Bishop Tutu call for what he calls wealth tax on whites and the call that our public officials, especially parliamentarians, to sell their expensive automobiles. albeit, his argument does admit that not all white supported apartheid. This is a fact can be scarcely gainsaid. Tutu does not explain about what he envisage about those that did not support apartheid. The other argument would be that with or without support, whites in general benefited from apartheid. I always argue that the gap between Africans and people of European ancestry is like the distance between the earth's surface and the limit of the sky. I always weep when our nation is gradually being eroded by substance abuse, teenage pregnancy, early dropping out at high school and universities. I make references to the foregoing challenges principally because if our youth does not want to better themselves white people will continue to enjoy primacy. To digress to my discussion Tutu is right both whites including the nascent black elites must pay tax and give up extravagant lifestyles respectively, and a penchant of political careerism within the African national congress. I fully support Tutu for being so forthright. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Mzu A week or two weeks ago, you sent a block containing discussion and the reaction from an ultra- right winger about Tutu's call for a once off wealth tax. Professor Pierre de Vos surprised the country by publicly endorsing the call. I did not know who was De Vos, the only thing that I heard from this circulation was a tirade on him for his controversial judgments. Yesterday, interface on SABC 3 screened an interview of de Vos and Advocate Anton Alberts from the FF+. de Vos affirmed that Tax on wealth should be introduced, on the other hand, advocate Albert opposed that notion. These two gentlemen were very urbane in the articulation of their respective positions. De vos, somewhat sissy, but very elaborate and forthright in his arguments' I was impressed. Firstly, he argued that apartheid created inequalities that continued to have impact even in the post 1994 epoch. Reparation is an ideal means to have social cohesion, he argues. Remarkably, in his arguments he cited the case of East and West Germany. After the dismantling of the Berlin wall and the emergence of a united Dutchelande, Germans in the West were far better off than their eastern counterparts. Consequently, a 5.5 tax levy is imposed on the former western Germans due to their benefits that systemically prejudiced the easterners. Advocate Albert attempted to save the day, he relied on the 28 000 Afrikaners that lost their lives during anglo-boer war, de Vos rebutted that flimsy excuse. He pointed out that Afrikaners had 50 active years of affirmative action. I don't know about the other side of de Vos, what I do know now is that he supports us. Europeans have robbed us our resources. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacany: Process Controller
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RE: [PAYCO] EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE - A LEADERSHIP IMPERATIVE
Cde Seroke: I saw your email Saturday,l as I was working an overtime. Due to workload, I could not read nor have time to decipher its import. Suffice to say it was more of an academic discourse. My supervisor picked it up on top of the printer as I had forgotten it there when I went outside. Curiously, she asked Mdu, what going on putting her finger on the passage that read and went on to say B - Bloody, L - Lazy, A - AIDS, C - Carrying, K - Kaffirs I urbanely responded as no it's just an email I received from my blog group, I haven't read it latter I went to her and explained that it was just a recounting of event that deal with emotional intelligence. Politely she said if it were me, I would not have only retorted, instead I would have screamed if someone made such a remark on me . you see, you are touching a very imported aspect in human existence. Mastering the art of putting emotions at bay is one of the daunting task in human species. Some years ago, browsing on an internet, I saw a book penned by Michael Muendane, which was a biography of Vusimuzi Make, who was a chairperson of the central committee after the deposal of PK Leballo. The website happened to belong to an organization which Mike was a founder. I telephoned the organization and asked his admin assistant to put me through to him. Gasping as a result his tone which exhibited some abrasion, I aid to him Ma-africa Muendane I see you wrote an autobiography of Vusi Make the first thing he said angrily, what do you mean I wrote an autobiography because Vusi did not write this himself. I did not even know the difference between an autobiography and a biography. He then called his admin assistant ,as I could hear from the other end of the line, and began to scold at him for putting me through to him. From then, I have been asking people that worked with him, one thing I established was that he had uncontrollable temperament. Again, I can't recall exactly, however, it must have been one of the congresses we had in post 1994. I was in a group with Bamba Ndwandwe who was a national organizer, someone ask him a question. He got irked, and said to the comrade use your p*nis. The point I am making is that, there were leaders in this organization which I had admired dearly, but when I came to the management of their emotions, I was disappointed. I slightly disagree with how you put Mbeki to the group of those that have failed to control their emotions. Admittedly, the drama of pushing Winnie Mandela attracted a lot of censure from the always outspoken media, critics and populace at large. My assessment of him is that, he does have a knack of circumscribing his emotions. Take for instance, ever since his waterloo, in what was known as Polokwane. He has suffered a lot of tirade from his ANC family detractors chiefly among them was Malema. Mbeki has elected to refrain from rebutting those attacks,(weather they were legitimate or not, that is beside the point). Today the same detractors are hailing him as a hero, albeit, they haven't, and surely will not recant their attacks. He doesn't get carried away by excitement to the media. Peter Raboroko once told me that PK Leballo would discredit Selby ngedame at meeting, because of his playboy penchant, sometimes Selby would come to the meetings accompanied by girlfriends. As Robs recounted, Selby would deal with PK appropriately. I agree, we in the PAC need to learn these things. Of course, emotions play a major role in the process of thinking, decision-making From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:59 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE - A LEADERSHIP IMPERATIVE Cde Mduduzi After a nasty experience with my work mates, a friend recommended that I read what was by then a new publication, 'Emotional Intelligence - Why it Matters More than IQ', Bloombury 1996, by Daniel Goleman, a psychiatrist who captured the issues over emotions and leadership and represented his ideas with actual cases in order to reach the lay reader. The concept of emotional intelligence is now used in university courses that deal with leadership at business schools worldwide. It is worth exploring this issue in our discussions too. I want to make two examples of my own. We were a committee tasked to deal with transformation and empowerment matters at this JSE-listed company in the defence industry. Paris Mashile, a highly qualified scientist and electronics engineer, was head of the committee and I was the only other black person in a committee of five management policy makers. Some of the white directors were not happy with the envisaged changes, and almost all the time sabotaged the process deliberately. Paris convened this crucial meeting where final recommendations were to be adopted. I later learnt this from him after the meeting was adjourned,
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Cde's Ndebele, Seroke Comrades what is our current economic policy ? if I am asked about what the PAC envisage on matters such as nationalization, privatization, BEE and other policy issues. Where do we stand ? kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Ndebele and Seroke I conjure up the spirited love of the PAC of Azania at the funeral of Cde Joe Moabi. This morning, I listened to Motsweding, even though, I battle to understand the language. The commentators from SABC feted this comrade. I had lost confidence that one day a messiah would descend and extol our relentless fight against apartheid. The PAC of Azania will remain a vibrant force in the struggle for self-determination and the complete return of our land. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Mzu: Some time ago in this circulation, someone wrote that Gaddafi loved Africans. He added that he would from time to time inform North African Arabs that Africa belongs to Africans and not Arabs. Television footages show that there are quite a number of Africans working in Libya, some are natives and so on. Recently, reports have it that, rebels that have seized power from Gaddafi are now killing Africans. A sin have became being dark- skinned. Among the outspoken critics of Gaddafi was Justice Malala who wrote an article about this matter. However, his blazing guns have changed direction. He attacks the AU for being ...petulant, refusing to speak or intervene, while their brothers and sisters are being murdered unsurprisingly, Molala's tone is softened on the rebels, he passes the buck to the AU. Of cause, we resent this atrocity, I maintain however that writers such as Molala are never objective. Invariably, they pen stories with pen that dispense partisan inks. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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Cde Seroke: Who is Mongane Seroke? I read his article in the thinker magazine. Illustriously written article about African renaissance. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy Senior Cook
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RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: Court application
Cde Seroke: Did the PAC and ANC discuss the issue of freedom fighters languishing in jails ? I have a relative who happens to be an MK member, I am told he has been in jail from 1988. Does the ANC itself have comrades that are in jails for military operations of armed struggle. Maybe, address the issue of the independence of the judiciary with regards to political matters. I was assuming that the release of these prisoners was precluded by the independence of the judiciary, or the ANC used this as an excuse . From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sbusiso Xaba Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:03 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Court application -- Forwarded message -- From: s ombu sombu...@yahoo.commailto:sombu...@yahoo.com Date: 3 October 2011 09:24 Subject: Court application To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Cc: Sbusiso Xaba sbusiso.x...@gmail.commailto:sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Izwe Lethu!!! Revolutionary greetings. Be informed that an urgent court application will be made by Apla cadre M'Afrika Kenny Doshane Motsamai on the 4th October 2011 at the Johannesburg High Court at 10h00. The applicant will be seeking relief in terms of his placement on parole. M'Afrika Kenny Doshane Motsamai has been languishing in jail since 1989. It is common cause that the government of the day is not taking the plight of these comrades seriously, hence he is now approaching the courts to intervene and give direction in this matter! In a seperate matter to be heard on the same day at the same court M'Afrika Sipho Cindi and others who are members of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania, will make an application to seek relief against the Department of Correctional services concerning corruption within the department. You are hereby invited to attend this court hearing in solidarity of the struggle to have all those political prisoners who are still languishing behind bars released from prisons across the country! Please inform and invite all other progressive minded revolutionaries to attend this court hearing, your attendance is highly appreciated and most welcome. Forward with the release of all former political prisoners that are still incarcerated in South African Prisons forward. Long live the undying revolutionary spirit of the fallen martyrs long live!!! -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: PSO
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Artisan Assistant Motor Mechanic
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[PAYCO]
Dear Comrades Why are we silent in this discussion group. When this group started, we had some sort of vociferous discussions. I appeal let us return and discuss issues. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Fitter
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: DA Benoni 01-2012.docx
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[PAYCO] DA poster perpetuates colonial stereotype: iLIVE - Times LIVE
Comrades: can I get your comments on this link below http://www.timeslive.co.za/ilive/2012/01/24/da-poster-perpetuates-colonial-stereotype-ilive This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] STRATEGIC PLANNING, IMPLEMENTATION AND CONTROL
Dear Comrades: History is a repeating phenomenon, it is true as you put it that The PAC of Azania itself has really lost its moorings, and reached a stage of a total shipwreck during the December holidays I had a leisure of watching some documentaries making world History. It would be very interesting to note that the aftermath of the treaty of Versailles, German was left bleeding with economic hardship. The draconian dictator Adolf Hitler, emerged amid those conditions. He presented himself as a redeemer. Some may assume that the Nazi party that he led ascended to power without some constrains. This is not the case. The communist which he would latter exterminate had been a problem for his rise. They (Communists) won elections immediately after the Great Depression, but Hitler was not perturbed, he had a conviction that one day he would win. The reason I am bringing this anecdote, is that some within us have fallen victims of despondency. It is true that the Pan Africanist Congress has not done well in the electoral game of this country since 1994. It has aggravated this by having a plummeting support base. Against all odds, there are some valiant Africanists who have not surrounded with an inch. I remember during Azanyu we had a slogan no retreat, no surrender this was our mooring. I believe that from yesterday we should have started to work tirelessly for the regeneration of the PAC. The point is, if say, the PAC establishes a minimum of 20 branches per annum, it ten years time we would be stronger as of 1959-60. There is no doom yet for the PAC, we haven't been rendered insolvent. I appeal that let us keep on discussing these issues and if in some instances, certain things emerged from the dust to be prominent. I still have an unshakable conviction that we will win. Prof said we will triumph, because we have history on our side, ...because the African people are on our side...because we are being purified under the crucible of oppression these prophetic utterances will one day prove accurate. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image001.jpg@01CCDF5C.9E75D750] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:25 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [PAYCO] STRATEGIC PLANNING, IMPLEMENTATION AND CONTROL Cde Mduduzi I had an interesting discussion with a young revolutionary Pan Africanist early in the first week of this month. He posed the rubric that what was essential in sorting out the perennial difficulties of the PAC as a political party and its association with the worldwide Pan Africanist movement was the need for strategic planning. There is no clearly stated common cause around which we all rally, and there is no stated ways and means to achieve short term strategic objectives. In this way it is not clear who supports the programme to set a union of socialist states in Africa, and who leads it. This makes Pan Africanism as a thought pattern to evolve without form and shape. It always raises its voice from the margins to decry abuse of its supporters by the dark forces. This young comrade said this approach has to stop. There was a 7th Pan African Congress in Kampala, Uganda, in the early 1990s. It was a poorly organised damp squib as far as I can recall. There is a need to update this information on a global level, so that a more relevant Pan African Congress is held and perhaps this being done in South Africa (Azania) could have more impetus. The best way to host would have to be a local representative committee, supported by the active participation of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania. There are many Pan Africanists residing in South Africa for a variety of reasons, and the negative publicity this country has had as a result of wanton attacks on innocent people coming from other parts of the continent does not make the cause easier. It should however spur us on to call for hosting such a Congress. Brother Buntu and others should keep this point in mind. The Pan African Congress would have participants from all over the world - Brazil, the Caribbean islands, the US, the UK, and mostly from Africa itself. This requires proper planning. At the World Economic Forum they cite Africa as the next growth point - for whose benefit? . It is not the end of the world though, and a comeback can be surmounted and victory can be achieved. It often happens in history that organisations decline to levels where hope is seemingly lost, but real revolutionaries with their experience of hard knocks do regroup, and reorganise themselves to find their correct pathways. We are in a phase where democratic principles and conduct is upheld by the state in South Africa. We are not prohibited from expressing ourselves
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Operationtions Training Officer
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: TMO
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[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Fitter
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[PAYCO] Left to their own devices - Cape Times | IOL.co.za
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[PAYCO]
Cde's Seroke, Ndebele With the waterloo of a somewhat reactionary ANCYL leadership that has hitherto presented itself as a vanguard of the liberation of the African people. On the past few days the YCL has emerged as an alternative to the poor, that is, the economically downtrodden African masses. Reacting to the ahistorical assertion of Pieter Mulder http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=trct=jq=pieter+mulder+deputy+ministersource=webcd=1ved=0CCQQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPieter_Mulderei=1tBDT4n0BcKRswbX7bDMBAusg=AFQjCNGIH-7mBb1Y3UmXerixJzmN3qjFeA that Africans did not own 40% of the land before the advent of settler minority, it has called Zuma to sack him. In your own assessment, what is the significance of the communist formations in the 21st century after the fall of the Soviet hegemony in the late eighties. Mfanasekhaya Gqobose, addressing APLA cadres in the early 90s, once referred to the communist as quacks. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Vacancy: Stores Asst
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[PAYCO] FW: DA Townlands 05-2012.docx
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[PAYCO]
http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/05/03/minister-announces-28-anti-apartheid-heritage-projects kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [cid:image002.jpg@01CA5626.C30DADC0] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO]
Cde Ditshego Your recent article which appeared in the Mayihlome website, needs to be scrutinized. Some years ago, we had an extensive debate about Mbeki AIDS denialism. Comrade Cunningham was a staunch defender of Mbeki in the context of the handling of the AIDS pandemic. I notice that your writing is replete with some scientific opinions from renown scientists around the world. If we can open a debate between the orthodox scientists and the denialists, I am certain we will be heading towards an open ended whole. What is a reality, is that this pandemic has claimed more causalities than the First World War. I have some reservations about these scientists who debate the relationship between HIV and AIDS while deaths have been reported all over the world, the hardest hid region being Sub Saharan Africa. Is the debate about the relation between HIV and AIDS sustainable ? This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
[PAYCO]
Dear comrades Can anyone one help with the whereabouts of the late Victor Mayekiso's family . I got a call from someone who got into our discussion group through the internet. she is related to him. she found our discussion ( which we had some time ago). I understand he was from Soweto, probably the remaining family could be still residing in Soweto. Even, if i get someone who could have some links Izwe Lethu i Africa 071-101-2595 011-724-9281 This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] Interview
Does Stanley have some ambitions of leading the PAC now ? From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sebenzile Mlaza Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 2:33 PM To: 'payco@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Interview Comrades, To be quite frank with you comrades, Mlambo is clearly campaigning for Stanley Mogoba... From: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com]mailto:[mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mllolw...@gmail.commailto:mllolw...@gmail.com Sent: 17 May 2012 01:51 To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Interview Mlambo could have done better,ill prepared and unprofessional(being late) Sent from my BlackBerry(r) smartphone. From: a...@joburg.org.zamailto:a...@joburg.org.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:48:24 +0200 To: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Interview [cid:image001.jpg@01CD3444.09081EC0]http://brand.joburg.org.za/rs/gw8VUL This was terrible. The comrade was late for the interview. Clearly he did not prepare and what did he say Ali Khangela Hlongwane Chief Curator: Museum Africa 121 Bree Street Newtown 2001 Box 517 Newtown Tel:(011) 833 5624 Fax:(011)833 5636 Cell: 082 4639869 a...@joburg.org.zamailto:a...@joburg.org.za http//joburg.org.za/culture/museums-galleries (This letter was sent electronically and is therefore not signed) __ The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. Please note that the recipient must scan this e-mail and any attached files, for viruses and the like. While we do everything possible to protect information from viruses, the City of Johannesburg accepts no liability of whatever nature for any loss, liability, damage or expense resulting directly or indirectly from the access and/or downloading of any files which are attached to this e-mail message. __ -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.commailto:payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.comhttp://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
RE: [PAYCO] Sad news
This is very sad. Comraqde Mawande contributed immensely in this blog. I have been wondering why he has been absent from discussions. We should pay a homage for this great son of the soil. Izwe Lethu -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hulisani Mmbara Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:47 PM To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP Subject: [PAYCO] Sad news I'm told Cde. Jack Mawande passed on this morning. He is former AZANYU SG and later Deputy President. Many on this platform will remember him for his outstanding contributions. May his soul rest in peace. Izwelethu! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
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Cde Ndebele, Seroke The reactionary ANCYL has undercut our historical programs. The restoration of our land from the colonial settlers. PAC youth formations have never been forthright in articulating this position, there is a lull in the PAC and its structural components on the land question . This worries me a lot. kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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http://www.dispatch.co.za/news/article/3637 kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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At least the penny has dropped for the ANC government. See the attachment. I hope most of you comrades are up to date with this development. See the attachment. http://www.thenewage.co.za/55740-1016-53-Sobukwe_family_grateful_for_his_hometown_honour kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/mar/20/sharpevilleturningpointfor?INTCMP=SRCH kind regards Mduduzi Sibeko Admin/finance [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CD276E.55683170] T +27-11-724-9281 C +27-71-101-2595 F +27-11-900-1929 F 086-754-2176 E msib...@randwater.co.zamailto:msib...@randwater.co.za www.randwater.co.zahttp://www.randwater.co.za This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com inline: image001.jpg
[PAYCO] FW: Interns Required
KLM Empowered is looking for Internship positions in various fields of study to be filled in Bruma, Johannesburg, but not limited to Bruma (Interns have a probability of being placed anywhere within Gauteng (between Johannesburg and Pretoria). Probable dates of Internship commencement is 1 September 2012, for a period of six months with a possibility of contractual work or permanency on completion of the Internship. Stipend range: R3000.00 The following interns are required to commence from September 2012: * Qualified B.Com graduates preferably with Cost and Management Accounting; * Qualified B.Com graduates: Supply Chain Management; * Qualified B.Com graduates: Warehouse Management; * Qualified B.Com graduates: HR or Diploma in HR; * Qualified B.Com graduates: Occupationally Directed Education,Training Development Practices(ODETDP) or National Diploma; * Qualified B.Com Marketing or Diploma in Sales Marketing; * Diploma or Degree in Web Design; * IT Technicians; * Diploma in Graphic Design; and * B.Ed or Diploma in Higher Education. Contact details: Contact Person: Rebecca Molongoana; Call us: 011 856 4701 Fax Number: 011 622 5140/3727 Send CV to: h...@klmempowered.commailto:h...@klmempowered.com This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. This information is private and protected by law and, accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to delete this entire communication immediately and are notified that any disclosure, copying or distribution of or taking any action based on this information is prohibited. Emails cannot be guaranteed to be secure or free of errors or viruses. The sender does not accept any liability or responsibility for any interception, corruption, destruction, loss, late arrival or incompleteness of or tampering or interference with any of the information contained in this email or for its incorrect delivery or non-delivery for whatsoever reason or for its effect on any electronic device of the recipient. Views and opinions expressed or implied in this email are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of Rand Water. If verification of this email or any attachment is required, please request a hard-copy version. Report illegal or suspicious activities! Use the Anti-Corruption Hotline - phone toll free 0800 212 364 -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
RE: [PAYCO] THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF EACH CITIZEN IN SA
Cde Seroke Thank you for an insightful analysis of the contemporary politics in this country and abroad. The malaise of 'Ukukhonza abelungi' is embedded in some Africans. Especially, those who were never indoctrinated with the Africanist or black consciousness ideologies. After 1994, I had hoped that this malaise was on an advance stage of healing. However, I am startled with its resurgence more especially, as it comes from those who claim to have liberated the country. As you have touched the issue of Marikana, when events unfolded, I posited that they would never get anywhere in as far as their wage demands were concerned. The announcement of a wage settlement of 22 % plus a R 2000 bonus for ending the strike was good tidings for workers. In essence, this has demonstrated that the capitalist system is exploitative. Those who have been extracting our mineral reverses for the past preceding centuries, have demonstrated to us that they still have our money, when shove comes to push. It is not a question of affordability. The interest of this whole saga resides with some of the covert ANC big men who are surreptitiously benefiting from these arrangements. a story is told about Ramaphosa who purchased a Buffalo cow for 20 million rands while his workers can't make ends meet. From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jaki Seroke Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:03 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF EACH CITIZEN IN SA M'afrika Mduduzi Sibeko The republic of South Africa is often described in glorious terms in international forums for a variety of reasons. The core issues that negatively affect the lives of its citizens are mostly ignored in the very same circles, and when a social implosion occurs the analysts look askance at each other and make ridiculous observations. Let's face it, the views and opinions of the majority are marginalised at these forums, and even the decision making process in government belongs to a coterie of conflicted personalities. The majority of those who should benefit from an efficient state are not taken seriously. Like subliminal racism, the unequal treatment of citizens has become a norm and it is accepted as natural. This should not go on forever. The president who is leading a state delegation in Brussels is yesterday reported to have conveyed a sincere message of condolences to the families of bereaved victims of the suicide car bomb in Kabul, Afghanistan, after a suicide bomber took them to be foreigners who denigrate the Muslim faith in the light of popular Arab protests against a propaganda documentary made in the US. This presidential message could be well and good. Look closely and you will notice that the eight victims are white South African working for a private airline in Afghanistan. Contrast this with his attitude back home. Last month mineworkers were mowed down like flies in Marikana in a process that had been brewing up for four months at least in the dispute on wage increment between the workers and Lonmin management. In full view of the media, the killers of the workers were the state police. These killers are equally underpaid, ill-equipped and ill-trained personnel, largely Black, and led by a Black woman national police commissioner who encouraged the killers to do so more often in the future, and that they should not be sorry for what they did. I believe the difference between the two unfortunate incidents where loss of life occurred is the colonial mentality of the leadership that hold power of the state. Over a period of more than two thousand years, African people have been subjected to slavery and massive exploitation of the resources - they are treated as lesser beings by the imperialists and their local running dogs. I guess the process of resolving settler-colonialism makes it even more complex, with citizens expressing differing sets of needs and expectations from the state. The aggrieved group (the Marikana mineworkers, for example) continues to be treated like beasts of burden, they live in squalid conditions, get slave wage, etc., and are killed at will by their own elected government. Colonial mentality is a trained conditioning of the mind and body. In the story, the archer in a circus was aggrieved by the tyranny and dictatorial behavior of the leading man in the performance. The archer planned to accidentally shoot him with his arrow during performance. This never happened despite several genuine attempts. The archer was steeped into the habit of shooting the apple on top of the leading man's head. Just like colonial mentality - Ba khonza abelungu. This puts into question the value of each citizen in South Africa. The state perpetuates inequality - the government steals from the coffers of the state and do so with impunity. The services they offer to the rich and the poor
