I think the most intriguing point she makes is about the film based cameras to
be without any further scope for development in terms of features, wheras
Digital has plenty.
But how she gets from there to predicting the death of digital I don't know.
Surely the hype factor will wear off, but
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Same as me, Cotty. No discernible shutter lag on my D60.
Len
* There's no place like 127.0.0.1
Len, didn't you recently acquire an *ist D as well?
Cheers,
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Hu.I have several prints on Canon paper and Ilford semi gloss and
pearl that are well
over 1
1/2 years old and now loss in quality with the S800.(My test strips)
I offer a 10 year quaranty with all my digital prints,no one has taken me
up yet.
Just
This one time, at band camp, Chris Stoddart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cons for the Canon are that a colleague bought one and got bad banding (I
think it was the 9000 though), so took it back and swapped it for another
- same problem. Took it back again and got the Epson instead, which he
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
I have to copy and paste sites like that into a simple text app and
change the font colour to black, and then read.
What I normally do in such situations is just highlight the all text in
the browser. That usually changes it to black-on-white which
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Cons for the Canon are that a colleague bought one and got bad banding (I
think it was the 9000 though), so took it back and swapped it for another
- same problem. Took it back again and got the Epson instead, which he
swears by. Cons for the Epson are
Oh yeah, the S9000 is very fast, and very very quiet (compared to my old
Epson Stylus Photo EX). Useful for printing off late at night when all
the little goblins are tucked up in bed ;-)
Cheers,
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Clarification:
No loss that i can see on the Ilford papers. I have one on Canon paper 2 years
old,printed
with the BJC8200 with i think the BCI 5 inks which is just starting to go funny,but
nothing with the
BCI 6 inks.
Dave
Just clarify that please Dave.
alex wetmore schrieb:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Since this camera has a smaller than 35mm frame size
sensor there is a possiblity that pentax will ( or already
has) issue lenses that only cover the smaller sensor.
They have already announced the DA 16-45mm lens that
I found that pre-focus was the one purely AF skill that I had to
practice, and, as mentioned, there is not appreciable shutter lag once
you get used to that. I also tried an approach similar to the one Cotty
mentioned of using the AF-C setting on the MZ-S (I kow it's not
digtial but the pricnipe
Kodak is going to close the complete photolab in Waddinxveen in the
Nederlands, and 116 people will lose their job. This all because of the
maassive move of consumers from film based photography to digital.
The diminishing sales on film is compensated by the increase of digital
Kodak products,
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Hello.
I just joined the list today after being directed here by a
friend in
the US. I'd like to introduce myself ...
(...)
kind regards from Sicily,
Tyrone
Hi Tyrone,
Welcome to the list. It's nice to have someone else from
Southern Italy here!
:-)
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Pat wrote:
John Francis wrote:
I don't do much trimming myself, but I've had good results from my cheap
little Fiskars personal trimmer.
I think one of the ones I saw yesterday was a Fiskars Personal Paper Trimmer
for about $10. It looks like it would fit into a
On 24 Oct 2003 at 12:10, Jostein wrote:
I think the most intriguing point she makes ...
One slight point, she's a he.
http://www.dantestella.com/info.html
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Chris Stoddart wrote:
All this talk about the pros and cons of Ilford paper and so on and so
forth gives me opportunity to asks for recommendations for an A3 photo
printer, which I am sure Santa will be bringing me. I'm really torn
between the Canon i9000 and the Epson
On 24 Oct 2003 at 5:19, Herb Chong wrote:
yes. www.fixerlabs.com. you get 20 uses of the filter for the trial. it
works a lot better than Unsharp Mask and gives you more control than the
built-in sharpening filters in Photoshop.
I ran it today for the first time and I must say I'm baffled
Greg,
Welcome.
I sell a lot on eBay and prefer to only ship to US Canada.
dpconsult.com
Several packages have been lost in overseas shipments and
nobody likes the situation. (The source for one of my negatives.)
I usually set a reserve, when I do it, at the absolute lowest I'll take
for it. At
True enough. It took 35mm 30 years to reach the point that it was considered
good enough for professional use and another 10 to become mainstream. Digital is
moving much faster than that but it is still an infant prodigy.
Rob Brigham wrote:
Trouble is, that the people extolling the virtues of
Where did she say that?
What I got was that it has potential but is not really there yet. That the main
benefits of digital presently is on the sellers side of the equation. In her
last paragraph she basically says that digital has the potential to wipe out
conventional photography, but we
Me too. Way I read it, he is saying that digital will get there, but
that it has a looong way to go - which is in total contrast with what
the marketing machines tell us!
Digital is sold as the answer to everybodies problems, but it introduces
probably more problems than it solves.
I have to
Sometimes that is due to the curvature of the slide itself. I have run
into this with some slides that were quite curved.
Fred wrote:
Sometimes the lens defects in the slide projector's lens can make
a good slide (taken with a good camera lens) look bad. So, do
you know for sure that the
Thanks, you illustrated this far better than I could. I had to tread
lightly because I didn't have the knowledge of history to make any
claims, but based on what you say, this is the first time in the
photographic industry that there has been such a large uptake of such an
immature product.
If it is like my old BCJ-620 the head costs more than the printer is worth.
However, when it had clogged up badly (hadn't been used in a year) I pulled it
out and soaked it in a jar of rubbing alcohol for a week changing the alcohol
daily. That put it back in service. With the epsons you can't
But then you can find a bulk ink system for most Epson photo printers there is
even one available for the cheap Photo 820.
alex wetmore wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Chris Stoddart wrote:
All this talk about the pros and cons of Ilford paper and so on and so
forth gives me opportunity to asks
Reading the popphoto review of the Oly E-1, I was suprised,
that it was stated, that the E-1 should have the lowest
viewfinder magnification they ever testet.
Looking at the good overview about the D-SLR's at
http://www.photozone.de/2Equipment/digitalSLR.htm
a very good magnification for the
There's going to be a solar flare tonight, and apparently that will
create auraoras as far south as Oregon. I don't think I'll be able to
see them, but just in case...what settings does one use to shoot them?
:)
Robert Gonzalez wrote:
Not a Monarch. Would have to look it up though.
Beautiful image BTW, what camera, lens, settings, etc. did you use?
Thomas Haller wrote:
Hey does anyone know what kind of Monarch butterfly this is? It's been
hanging around my yard. I've never seen a wing pattern
Hi Chris,
I would give some serious thought to ponying up the extra and going with
the Epson 2100/2200. The three main reasons would be:
1.Archival inks
2.Individual ink tanks (I use 2 black and light m c to one of others
aprox.) so the ink saved may make up the difference in cost over
Pat, I've been using a trimmer I got from Photographer's Edge
(www.photographersedge.com). Got it several years ago and use it often. It
was around $20 and will cut up to 14 stock. Uses single edge razor blades.
You can spend more but why?
Kenneth Waller
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From: Pat
You know, there's some collateral damage on this exchange. I've had
that BBQ, and will think about it as I now go face lunch of leftover
veggies :-(
The food is surprisingly good at GFM, for those planning to go . . .
Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
På fredag, 24. oktober 2003, kl. 17:17, skrev Amita Guha:
There's going to be a solar flare tonight, and apparently that will
create auraoras as far south as Oregon. I don't think I'll be able to
see them, but just in case...what settings does one use to shoot them?
:)
ISO 400: 5-10s, f:1.4 or
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, graywolf wrote:
But then you can find a bulk ink system for most Epson photo printers there is
even one available for the cheap Photo 820.
Yup. I had one of these systems for my Epson 870.
The bulk ink is great if you are printing _a lot_. If you plan on
printing 4oz of
I ran it today for the first time and I must say I'm baffled regarding the
results. I ran it on an un-edited low compression 4Mp jpeg and regardless of
the settings it seems to totally butcher the image. The threshold at any
point
other than 100 creates nasty gray posterized areas across
I think it is interesting to note that the first DSLR's were built from Nikon's
by Kodak for the Associated Press (AP-2000, I believe). From the press's point
of view the ability to send the photos over the telephone is the major one.
First photos of a major breaking news event are the most
My slides are plastic mounted. In my case, expensive
projectors and lenses does not seem to solve all the
problems!!
I have Apollo lens and Kodak Select lens. With Appollo
lens, its hard to focus on anything. Kodak Select lens
is very sharp but has poor-edge sharpness problem.
Kodak Select lens
I feel your pain, I just had a bowl of oat flakes, or as we like to
call it, Colon Blow.
The pizza is pretty good at GFM too.
tv
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From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You know, there's some collateral damage on this exchange. I've had
that BBQ, and
Peter Jordan a écrit:
I know we're not supposed to flag live e-bay auctions, but I never knew this
thing existed, never mind having seen one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2959427250category=152
240
There seems to be no mention of it on Boz's site and a passing mention under
Here are some hints for focus fixer:
http://www.ephotozine.com/equipment/buyersguide/fullbuyersguide.cfm?buye
rsguideid=39
OR an alternative product:
http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/focalblade.shtml
Or try the free Vtie Sharp Control:
At the weekend I was inspired by the wonderful autumn colours and wanted
to do something about it. Last year I roamed Stowe House gardens in Bucks
and did your usual landscapes of trees dripping with golden cover. This
year I collected a couple of dozen leaves and selected 5 for
photographing. I
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Another advantage of the Canon is that you can easily refill the ink
cartridges. Don't underestimate how much ink will cost you when
making a lot of prints. Being able to trivially refill cartridges is
a real plus.
Ah, this sounds good - any info you
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Clarification:
No loss that i can see on the Ilford papers. I have one on Canon paper 2
years old,printed
with the BJC8200 with i think the BCI 5 inks which is just starting to go
funny,but
nothing with the
BCI 6 inks.
Thanks Dave. That is reassuring.
Is there a way to set the aperture in OptioS?
Like Av funcationality.
It always seems to be in 2.8
Thanks
Ramesh
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Cotty wrote:
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Another advantage of the Canon is that you can easily refill the ink
cartridges. Don't underestimate how much ink will cost you when
making a lot of prints. Being able to trivially refill cartridges is
a real plus.
This is an industrial version of the A3000/A3 mounted on some computer hardware and
used to create title and text slides for presentations before the PowerPoint days. No
viewfinder and often has an electrical connection for firing the shutter from the
slide maker hardware.
Regards, Bob S.
I'd disagree with a lot of the opinions expressed in this thread.
But in this post I won't talk about digital in the pro market.
Digital penetration of the mass market isn't because of agressive
marketing; it's because digital is a better product, *when judged
by the criteria that are important
Hi,
Cotty wrote:
On 23/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Just done a series of 16X12 prints for a friend on Ilford Gallerie Smooth
Gloss. WOW. You could knock me down with a feather. The paper quality is
superb and the pics GLOW. Apologies - I don't often use caps. It really
is
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:
But what about long-time image storage? Well, what about it?
I'm sure my mother-in-law isn't the only person who throws away
the negatives and just keeps a handful of prints for a while.
Photography isn't an archive medium for the masses - it's all
I discovered the same behaviour with the 33WR which seems to favour wide
open aperture in most if not all cases. The shutter speed must be pretty
high before it starts to stop down (f6.7 at most).
Alan Chan
http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Is there a way to set the aperture in OptioS?
Like Av
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, mike wilson wrote:
I forget where I saw the comparison but even cheapo printer ink is more
expensive than vintage champage. Once you get to manufacturer's
products, the difference is an order of magnitude.
Yes, I read the same thing - I am pretty sure it was on the
- Original Message -
From: Ramesh Kumar
Subject: Re: FA 50/2.8 Macro
My slides are plastic mounted. In my case, expensive
projectors and lenses does not seem to solve all the
problems!!
I have Apollo lens and Kodak Select lens. With Appollo
lens, its hard to focus on anything.
Hi,
Friday, October 24, 2003, 6:35:23 PM, you wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, John Francis wrote:
But what about long-time image storage? Well, what about it?
I'm sure my mother-in-law isn't the only person who throws away
the negatives and just keeps a handful of prints for a while.
Well, I got back from Australia on the 22nd and have been trying desperately
to recover from the east-bound jet-lag. Haven't slept for more than a
couple of hours over the past 4 days... Funny, going west is easy.
I had a great trip and managed to have dinner with Rob in Sydney, but missed
Paul
Even the higher end printers like the 2200 are ink
monsters, as far as the extra $200 for the epson, that
gives you better icc support, pigment inks, better BW
printing ( tho the new hp is damn good here ) more
paper choices, roll paper and auto cutting, thats
where the extra cash goes, if you
-Original Message-
From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did I miss anything interesting over the past three weeks?
Has anyone
commented on the *ist-D? :-)
It's been decided that digital is immature crap technology, you'll
have to send yours back.
tv
The latest round of HP's (6 color) are much better than people
give them credit for.
I got a chance to see the latest HP photo printers this week; HP
were partial underwriters of a Computer History Museum event, and
sent along some HP 945 digital cameras, some of their 6x4 printers,
and one
- Original Message -
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did I miss anything interesting over the past three weeks?
Has anyone
commented on the *ist-D? :-)
It's been decided that digital is immature crap
Thank you!
-Original Message-
From: Dag T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: shooting auroras
På fredag, 24. oktober 2003, kl. 17:17, skrev Amita Guha:
There's going to be a solar flare tonight, and
On 24/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
I've been watching this thread with interest - I'm planning
to purchase a large-format photo printer, and had pretty much
narrowed the choice down to the Canon i9100 or the Epson pigment
ink model (2000p or something like that).
I'm a little concerned,
- Original Message -
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where did she say that?
You're right. (S)he didn't. Must have been very tired last night when I read
it.
Jostein
What type of printing to the photo labs use?
Kind regards
Kevin
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Does the Kodak lens say CF or FF on it?
Ramesh Kumar wrote:
My slides are plastic mounted. In my case, expensive
projectors and lenses does not seem to solve all the
problems!!
I have Apollo lens and Kodak Select lens. With Appollo
lens, its hard to focus on anything. Kodak Select lens
is very
Photo labs do every kind of printing.
What are you talking about?
tv
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Waterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What type of printing to the photo labs use?
Kind regards
Kevin
At 12:49 PM + 10/20/03, Bob S wrote:
Jostein,
You won't want a car in NYC, but can rent one on the way out of town.
The most hetic part of the drive will be leaving the city, and
passing other major cities.
The real problem is daily commuter traffic into/out of the cities.
The Interstates
Need to see whether it is CF or FF
Thanks
Ramesh
--- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the Kodak lens say CF or FF on it?
Ramesh Kumar wrote:
My slides are plastic mounted. In my case,
expensive
projectors and lenses does not seem to solve all
the
problems!!
I have Apollo
This one time, at band camp, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photo labs do every kind of printing.
What are you talking about?
What type of printing machines do they use?
dye sublimation or other?
Kind regards
Kevin
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From: gregcooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:24 AM
Subject: new to list and a question
Hi Everyone:
I've read the list for a while now but
Hi, Greg,
I don't know the answer to either question. I don't own anything Pentaxian
newer than an MX (for now... Hee hee...), and I don't sell on eBay.
I just wanted to welcome you to the list. It's always nice to have another
Canadian aboard.
cheers,
frank from Toronto
The optimist
I wanna know why there's no piccies of Marnie.
cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NorCal PDML Meet
the November Popular Photography says that they estimate sales in the last
year of SLR cameras have been about 40% DSLRs. i don't know if i believe
that, but it sounds plausible. they said that half a million DSLRs were sold
in the last year worldwide.
Herb
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From:
I know what criteria are important to the consumers. Zoom, quality doesn't
matter, at least 5x - 10x is better. Notice that the focal length also
doesn't matter (what is that, anyway?). The megapixels - at least 4, noise
is not important. Next is the macro function, which must be present and
will
there are two threshholds you must discover and they are based on your image
size in pixels. these are the numbers i find best for images at around 20
megapixels. i use a deblur of 1.7 and a threshold of about 10. the images
must have some in-camera sharpening already (or sharpened a little
This one time, at band camp, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photo labs do every kind of printing.
What are you talking about?
What type of printing machines do they use?
dye sublimation or other?
Other, usually. They don't use printers - they use light-sensitive
photographic paper,
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From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This one time, at band camp, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photo labs do every kind of printing.
What are you talking about?
What type of printing machines do they use?
dye sublimation or other?
Other,
Frank,
At least two are forthcoming!
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Friday, October 24, 2003, 3:52:04 PM, you wrote:
ft I wanna know why there's no piccies of Marnie.
ft cheers,
ft frank
ft The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
ft fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
This one time, at band camp, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well...more common is a minilab, and increasingly common is the
digital minilab.
This is more what I am talking about, what type of printing are they
doing when Mr/Mrs Smith walk in with their holiday snaps?
The stick the roll of film
...is a necessity if you want to stop prostate cancer in its early stages?
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From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24-Oct-03 10:31
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fascinating - a must read!
Digital penetration ...
I don't think so-I don't know what the letters stand for. I work for a
printing company called Riley's.
Greg
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: new to list and a question
You don't by chance do work for
On 24 Oct 2003 at 17:01, Rüdiger Neumann wrote:
It seems that the Pentax is realy designed from scratch as a DSLR.
The Nikon D100 comes from the F80, the Sigma SD9 from the SA9,
that is the reason for the the low viewfinder magnification.
Olympus, which stated that the E-1 is specifically
On 24 Oct 2003 at 19:19, Herb Chong wrote:
there are two threshholds you must discover and they are based on your image
size in pixels. these are the numbers i find best for images at around 20
megapixels. i use a deblur of 1.7 and a threshold of about 10. the images
must have some in-camera
Hi, Bruce,
Egg-cellent!!
vbg
-knarf
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: NorCal PDML
Check out the exposure chart here:
http://www.ptialaska.net/~hutch/aurora.html
chris
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Dag T wrote:
På fredag, 24. oktober 2003, kl. 17:17, skrev Amita Guha:
There's going to be a solar flare tonight, and apparently that will
create auraoras as far south as Oregon. I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
that tells us that the end product is not the negative, or the digital
file, but the print.
So I recently bought 2 digital cameras. One was for the 24 year old son. He
and his new wife are getting a puppy. They wanted a better digital than she
had to take
Actually there are two questions, the second is while I have bought on
ebay and have never sold, I've noticed some sellers don't ship to
certain places -why is that? I live in Canada, should I only ship to
Canada and U.S?
It depends on your comfort level. There are some places (like
I THINK she's coming to GFM, we'll get some then.
Bill
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From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: NorCal PDML Meet Pictures
I wanna know why there's no piccies of Marnie.
cheers,
frank
Or automated printers that use chemicals..
Bill
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From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: What do the photo labs print with?
This one time, at band camp, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'll be taking the father-in-law home tomorrow after a 2 week stay.
Hopefully the fall colors will be better this weekend than last.
Monday the *istD goes to Pentax Colorado for, hopefully, a replacement. The
intermittent date/time problem is still there, and for that kind of money I
think a
Bill,
I know it sounds stupid but did you turn the camera off before you took out
the batteries? If not the cameras date time is reset.
/Paul
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Off to Virginia, again.
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003
I have sold (via eBay) to Italy, England, Scotland, Norway, Poland, Hong
Kong, Japan, Singapore, Australia, Canada, and the U.S.
Maybe also Belgium. No problems, except that there are extra steps to take
in the paperwork, it is more expensive (and harder to predict the cost) to
ship, and maybe
There's a bug in it somewhere. Sometimes it works okay for a day or so, but
then suddenly, when I power it on, the date/time screen appears. When it
happens it's reset itself to 01/01/2003 and 00:00. If it were my MZ-S I
wouldn't mind since I don't like the date/time imprinted on the negative.
Not from my Detachment so I would not be familiar.Are you interested?
:-)
I posted a web page of the 60-some-odd shots I took at work. A broad
spectrum of people. They all oohed and ahhhed over the shots. We can be
discerning over the shots, but the masses are not as critical. As long as
Cotty,
Only if you antagonize it :-) But fret not, I have them well tamed.
Cesar
Panama City, Florida
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