Re: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Peter J. Alling
The linkages would be a bitch, and probably unprotected and fragile. On the plus side it would probably be expensive. Peter Loveday wrote: In the long run I would love a FF M42 DSLR. I do not think it is out of the question either once the DSLR market gets more mature. It would have to push the

PUG

2004-07-20 Thread edwin
I've got an entry for PUG all ready to go, but it occurred to me that I'd heard some mumblings about changes in where PUG lives and such. What's the e-mail address to send a PUG entry to? (I can't use the autopug site) DJE

Re: *ist D and Power sources

2004-07-20 Thread Cotty
On 19/7/04, arnie, discombobulated, offered: The other I went to downtown Manhattan to take some pictures and lo! my rechargable cr-v3's are dead! so i went into the nearest shop, bought a pack of AA's, and went on shooting. I love Pentax! arnie Sorry, I just can't get my head around this

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Herb Chong wrote: part of the reason film is as cheap as it is is because there are a lot of rolls of film being manufactured. the number of rolls in 2000 is about 15% Then how can you explain Ilford? A niche manufacturer that produces much lower volumes of a specialist

Sv: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread dagt
Fra: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't think film will die anytime soon. I pretty much agree with Graywolf's predictions that the big players will leave and the smaller ones will see their business go up. All processing will become

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread dagt
Actually, I was thinking about this rumour: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1028message=9474786 a REAL full frame 645... DagT Fra: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again I must ask, Why. It makes more sense to put the FF sensor in a 35mm size body, maybe with a

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread graywolf
But then on the other hand, my new at the time, Honeywell Pentax H-3 cost 200 1961-62 dollars. That is roughly $2500-3000 in todays money. Most current film cameras in that price range (Leica, Nikon F5, etc.) will last quite a while too. -- glenn murphy wrote: I don't think film will completely

Re: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Yes, and that is why for an equivalent focal lenght you get more DOF with the *ist than with film. Because a 50mm lens has more DOF than a 75mm lens. A. On 20 Jul 2004, at 02:36, Don Sanderson wrote: Tanya, that 50mm lens is still a 50mm, not a 75. You're just using a piece out of the middle

Re: Missing a LOT of posts!

2004-07-20 Thread Martin Trautmann
On Tue 2004-07-20 (02:47), Don Sanderson wrote: In the pastI've had a few posts not get to the list and a few from others I didn't get. But tonite I've read at least 15 responses that made no sense because I never got the post they were responding to. Hm - up to now I expected a local

Re: PAW OOC DOF

2004-07-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Well I thought it was about time for me particularly after the recent threads. Back to practicality, note the extensive out of control depth of field in my PAW image produced using the *ist D and A50/2.8 Macro at f8: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2541857size=sm Rob, this one

Re: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Camera companies in general like to sell new lenses as it makes them more money, so whilst it is possible I dont think you will find Pentax themselves doing it but rather smaller outfits like Cosina, as they have with the TM. A. On 20 Jul 2004, at 02:40, Peter Loveday wrote: In the long run I

Re: OT: Compaq Evo n160 and Fruit Punch (Resolved!)

2004-07-20 Thread Ryan Lee
So it's done! And successful. Following up tips from Bill and Don, I managed to stumble upon a service manual for another Compaq laptop, and searching harder I actually found one for my own model. Turns out, Bill, that two screws under the laptop did have to be removed before I could pry off the

Re: RE DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Thats right Jens, nobody said digital per se was the cause but rather the sensor size, and i particular the APS sensor of the *ist and other digitals (there are only 2 full-frame dititals on the market so for the purposes of the current discusiĆ³n digital currently means APS or smaller). Its

Re: PAW OOC DOF

2004-07-20 Thread Norm Baugher
No, he won't get the point Rob, but I do. Tks. Norm Rob Studdert wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 at 12:10, Antonio Aparicio wrote: So you see my point then, that is unless you think that that particular image has excessive DOF of course. I put that image up to exemplify the fact that even at f9 (sorry

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 7:58, Chris Stoddart wrote: Then how can you explain Ilford? A niche manufacturer that produces much lower volumes of a specialist product and charges a competitve rate whilst still making a profit. Chris have you had a good look at the Ilford catalogue of late? They aren't

RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread J. C. O'Connell
because it is shipable. You only need one supplier anywhere in the world, not a photofinisher in your neighborhood. JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Pentxuser
Related to this thread, I read that most digitally captured images are never printed, just used for web posting and email, Kenneth Waller I believe it Ken. Since we bought our lovely A60 Canon digital point and shoot we tend never to get prints done. We did once, but have just never got

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #878

2004-07-20 Thread edwin
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you could persuade Kodak to make one - they did for Nikon and Canon mounts. But then again, they are 5000 USD +. Who'd pay that much for a FF camera? Not me, anyway. Looked at the cost of the smaller-sensored EOS-1D2 or the Nikon D1X? Not much change

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Billy Abbott
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Related to this thread, I read that most digitally captured images are never printed, just used for web posting and email, And even more are just stored on a hard drive and forgotten about...they don't take up physical space so they're a lot easier to

RE: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #878

2004-07-20 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Regarding the M42 DSLR, I love M42 and have a huge collection both bodies and lenses but when it comes to shooting M42, I don't need metering, I don't need motordrive, I don't need AE, but there is one thing I will not accept and that is no auto aperture function. I would never buy a m42 DSLR

Re: pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 #878

2004-07-20 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless Canon actually does what is rumored and puts out a 10D replacement at 8MP I think that would be a very smart move for them if they could make it happen. Perhaps keeping as much of the 10D chassis as possible and leaving out all the high-speed technology of the

Re: July Pug comments: Part oneish

2004-07-20 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Augusts PUG is due tuesday, but I thought I would comment on some of Julys .I liked them all but I hope to add more comments later. -Robert Gonzalez Mortor and Pestle Very nice shot Robert. It shows the simple life. Man,

RE: PAW OOC DOF

2004-07-20 Thread Jens Bladt
No photograph in a grey space! Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 20. juli 2004 13:41 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: PAW OOC DOF On 20 Jul 2004 at 12:10, Antonio Aparicio

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Jerry Todd
A hard drive is physical space ... just smaller than a shoebox under the bed or a photo album. Eventually a hard drive runs out of space and then something has to be done with the photos stored on it. Jerry Todd Dancing Frog Studio Calaveras, California From: Billy Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

R/C flying(aerial photography

2004-07-20 Thread Jens Bladt
Calling the PDML knowledge bank... I need a lightwieght camera for R/C model planes (250 g) aerial photography. I remeber someone here not long ago (Rob Studdert ?) said that it was great for travelling - was it the Olympus AX??? Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Bill Owens
Yes, people USING film still outnumbers those using digital. However, those BUYING new cameras are buying digital and not film Bill - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:03 AM Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was:

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Bill Owens
Not so. Those consumers who used to bring film in for processing are now bringing in memory cards for us to print, and those prints are basically the same cost as film prints and are on the same paper. Bill - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: R/C flying(aerial photography

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Brigham
For film it may well have been the Olympus mju II, which is called something else in the US I think. This only has a fixed lens but is smaller than pretty much any APS compact and on a par with todays digitals (except the optio S its ilk). I am guessing you don't want/cant use zoom in this kind

RE: R/C flying(aerial photography

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Brigham
This rang a bell from something I read on the BBC website a while back - did a search and here it is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3343857.stm You will find links to what may be some useful resources on the right hand side. -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL

Super A : linear or circular polarizer?

2004-07-20 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Quick question: Super A : linear or circular polarizer? A.

Re: R/C flying(aerial photography

2004-07-20 Thread danilo
I know it is not what You have asked for, but probably may help http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=48632item=5709721060rd=1 There are also other kind of this things, some with audio, other infrared, etc... they all can be powered by batteries (9volt) danilo Alle 15:35,

Re: R/C flying(aerial photography

2004-07-20 Thread danilo
I know it is not what You have asked for, but probably may help http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=48632item=5709721060rd=1 There are also other kind of this things, some with audio, other infrared, etc... they all can be powered by batteries (9volt) danilo Alle 15:35,

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread Tim Sherburne
And eBay itself isn't a worldwide list with a searchable interface? Nice try, Kostas. On 7/20/04 2:45, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: That's quite different to publicising in a worldwide list with a searchable interface.

RE: Film vs. Digital(long)

2004-07-20 Thread David Miers
Good grief, why did I ever bring up 3rd world! My apologies to the list. It doesn't matter where it is. If the family can't afford to buy a digital, but can afford to use a film camera occasionally it could be your neighbor I'm talking about. Dave -Original Message- From: Norm

Re: Super A : linear or circular polarizer?

2004-07-20 Thread Joe Wilensky
Linear -- it's the standard Pentax centerweighted gallium meter in the prism, which doesn't require the circular polarizer. Though it has TTL flash metering, it doesn't have the semi-silvered spot on the mirror that requires light to pass through the mirror to a meter cell (or an autofocus

SMC A* 85mm f1.4 LENS now at $610 from Henry's on Ebay

2004-07-20 Thread John Bailey
Too bad I can't sacrifice my 2 kids! g jb `:^)

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Tim Sherburne wrote: And eBay itself isn't a worldwide list with a searchable interface? Nice try, Kostas. No, it's only a searchable site. From which you missed the lens you wanted, as you admit, because it has a lot of noise and quirks. Kostas

Re: Super A : linear or circular polarizer?

2004-07-20 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Many thanks Joe. A. On 20 Jul 2004, at 18:23, Joe Wilensky wrote: Linear -- it's the standard Pentax centerweighted gallium meter in the prism, which doesn't require the circular polarizer. Though it has TTL flash metering, it doesn't have the semi-silvered spot on the mirror that requires

Re: SMC A* 85mm f1.4 LENS now at $610 from Henry's on Ebay

2004-07-20 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Thats cheap, did you see the one with start price of $900! I wonder if those who own this lens could comment on whether they think it is actually worth this sort of money given you could buy a rather nice SH MF setup for that sort of money. Would this lens beat say a Rollei 6003 with an 80mm or

Re: Super A : linear or circular polarizer? LX

2004-07-20 Thread John Bailey
--- Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linear -- it's the standard Pentax centerweighted gallium meter in the prism, which doesn't require the circular polarizer. Though it (like the LX or autofocus cameras). Joe Quick question: Super A : linear or circular polarizer? A.

Followup to autofocus Super Takumar

2004-07-20 Thread Mark Roberts
It's an autofocus MX! http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/trucs/trucs.htm big grin here -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread John Bailey
--- Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so. Those consumers who used to bring film in for processing are now bringing in memory cards for us to print, and those prints are basically the same cost as film prints and are on the same paper. Bill Is the light source led or laser in the

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread Tim Sherburne
Kostas... The long and short of it is that I think it's okay for people to post eBay listings. I don't want to put words in John's mouth, but I'm guessing that he wanted to simply let others on the list know of an opportunity, which seems neighborly to me. If I run across a good deal on eBay that

RE: SMC A* 85mm f1.4 LENS now at $610 from Henry's on Ebay

2004-07-20 Thread J. C. O'Connell
It is not going to match/beat hardly any MF lens/film combos. But placed on a future FF Pentax DSLR it might match/beat a lot more. JCO -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SMC A* 85mm

Re: PUG submission - jostein's page is back

2004-07-20 Thread AvK
The AutoPUG is back. I submitted all sent mails to it. Cheers Adelheid My sincerest apologies for this situation. This is not the first time my web space provider has extended periods of downtime. Mail to addresses at my domain will not come through either. This was the last drop for me,

RE: Film vs. Digital(long)

2004-07-20 Thread Tom C
Yeah, Can you believe these single-use digital cameras that are being sold? Twenty-five shots, LCD, $18.99? Tom C. From: Yefei He [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Film vs. Digital(long) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:30:41 -0500 China is already

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread graywolf
How about sharing the ones you are planing to bid on? Oh That is a different story, is it? -- Tim Sherburne wrote: Kostas... The long and short of it is that I think it's okay for people to post eBay listings. I don't want to put words in John's mouth, but I'm guessing that he wanted to

Re: AW: enabled and question (Optio S 4i)

2004-07-20 Thread graywolf
Been meaning to ask how that was coming along? -- AvK wrote: You will no worries :-) Started to work on the film. It is a nightmare to compress, but fun to watch at least for the attendees of GFM 2004 I think. Cheers Adelheid Yeah, I'm jealous toowe better see some pictures Adelheid. Norm

Re: Film vs. Digital(long)

2004-07-20 Thread Norm Baugher
I don't think they are really being sold, just a one use solution. You have to give the camera back, the payment is for the prints correct? Tom C wrote: Can you believe these single-use digital cameras that are being sold? Twenty-five shots, LCD, $18.99?

Re: Super A : linear or circular polarizer? LX

2004-07-20 Thread John Bailey
--- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Bailey Subject: Re: Super A : linear or circular polarizer? LX But, since the LX meters off the film after the mirror flips up the exposure will be correct if you use the auto exposure mode.

Re: *ist D and Power sources

2004-07-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/7/04, Kristian Walsh, discombobulated, offered: The point is, I don't need to replace them. I brought 3 proprietary batteries plus the charger to GFM. On the other hand: Lithium-Ion batteries lose their effectiveness after about 24-30 months, whether you use them or not, so buying three

Re: *ist D and Power sources

2004-07-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/7/04, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, offered: Batteries sometimes get lost; chargers can be lost or damaged. It is great to have a camera like the *ist d that can utilize AA batteries from the corner convenience store in an emergency. Point taken. I have yet to encounter a

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/7/04, graywolf, discombobulated, offered: How about sharing the ones you are planing to bid on? Oh That is a different story, is it? HAR! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Gonz
I have a roll of Kodachrome in my PZ-1 that has not been used since I bought my *istD 9 months ago. And my ME has a half finished Tri-x in it that has also been abandoned. My ME-Super is empty. My daughters are the only ones using film right now, one with a PZ-20 with chrome and the other

Re: Film vs. Digital(long)

2004-07-20 Thread Tom C
That's what I assume as well. I wonder what they do with the camera after that. Recycle? Rebuild? Sanitize? Could one accidentally get a camera that had been recycled and find that some one else's photos were still on the flash memory? Tom C. From: Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 12:51, David Miers wrote: How many will get sick of the battery game? Having to make sure the batteries always have a fresh charge on them ahead of time. I use my digital rarely and have this problem all the time. Shoot, the batteries will probably fail since I forgot to

LX Talk.

2004-07-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Bailey Subject: Re: Super A : linear or circular polarizer? LX I believe the continous light OTF metering in the LX only works at shutter speeds below the sync speed. At higher speeds the shutter speed in determined from light reflected off

RE: SMC A* 85mm f1.4 LENS now at $610 from Henry's on Ebay

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 12:44, J. C. O'Connell wrote: It is not going to match/beat hardly any MF lens/film combos. But placed on a future FF Pentax DSLR it might match/beat a lot more. Well if you look at absolute speed it's the outright winner. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying? Making sure batteries are charged on a digi-cam is analogous to ensuring that you have films with you a spare meter battery. I am finding that since I have to be constantly aware of the

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2004 at 15:45, Tim Sherburne wrote: Those of you who feel differently about John's posting need to wake up: The days of cheap, undiscovered eBay listings on good stuff is ancient history. I'm sure no one would get upset if the information was shared post auction. You do have to

Re: Missing a LOT of posts!

2004-07-20 Thread Jostein
Guys, The problem has been noted by people in at least four countries (UK, USA, Australia and Norway). I'm sure it happens elsewhere too. To me, this looks like an infrastructure problem. Graywolf mentioned a possible update of server anti-spam. That would make sense since it would only affect

Re: R/C flying(aerial photography

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 17:35, Jens Bladt wrote: Calling the PDML knowledge bank... I need a lightwieght camera for R/C model planes (250 g) aerial photography. I remeber someone here not long ago (Rob Studdert ?) said that it was great for travelling - was it the Olympus AX??? Jens I don't know

RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Jens Bladt
Not quite, since you can always (still) buy film as you go. Some digital cameras have very special batteries, you don't get in every mall. And you don't need to recharge film. I always have loads of film in the fridge. I just grab a handfull as I leave the house. I guess both the *ist D and MZ-S

RE: why i haven't switched to canon

2004-07-20 Thread Jens Bladt
My answer is simple. I don't want to. For many reasons. Pentax make brilliant user interfaces. And afforable consumer lenses as well a pro lenses. I can buy affordable and still hope for professional lenses. Good backwards compatibility (could be even better) - excellent old lenses may cost less

Tak WA hood question

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
Does anyone know if there was a square metal clamp type hood (like the one for the Takumar 1:3.5 28mm) made to suite 35/28/24mm lenses that would fit on a 54mm OD lens barrel (52mm filter ring)? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Rfsindg
Oh that Film vs Digital thread was so much fun, why don't we start it again, but this time do digital vs film. The noise to signal ratio on this list is getting terrible. Ultimately, I don't give a rats ass about digital, I'm not worried about film until they stop processing mine, and you can

RE: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Tom C
Hey that sounds like censorship to me! :) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Digital vs Film Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:14:16 -0400 Oh that Film vs Digital thread was so much fun, why don't we start it again, but this time do digital vs

Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............)

2004-07-20 Thread Don Sanderson
On 19 Jul 2004 at 15:45, Tim Sherburne wrote: Those of you who feel differently about John's posting need to wake up: The days of cheap, undiscovered eBay listings on good stuff is ancient history. I'm not so sure I agree with that, after thinking about this post for a while I started

Re: New Sigma lens

2004-07-20 Thread Joseph Tainter
I'd sure want to see a lens test on this before I bought one. I'll bet it won't perform as well as the DA 16-45. OTOH, it may be less expensive, and more importantly, you may actually be able to buy one. Joe

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
at high cost, or low or unpredictable quality. Herb... - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying? because it is shipable. You only need one supplier

RE: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Don Sanderson
I took that thread as Pentax digi vs Penatx film. A decision I've been struggling with. Learned a very great deal from it. Sticking with film. (For now) Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:14 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: Apology for............

2004-07-20 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:43:51 -0700, Tim Sherburne wrote: If I run across a good deal on eBay that I can't use, I'll share it with the group because I know someone out there can use it. Please don't. The list has discussed this at least annually since I came on board in 1998. Each time the

RE: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Don Sanderson
Rut Ro Rorge, I smell smoke! ;-) Don -Original Message- From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Digital vs Film Hey that sounds like censorship to me! :) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

RE: OT: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Joseph Tainter
http://www.photo.net/learn/optics/dofdigital/ Thanks for the link, Rob. I guess my 35 mm. lenses will have less DOF on the *ist D. Joe

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
even at my rate of shooting, i keep everything online and expect my hard drive capacity to grow significantly faster than my ability to fill it. 165GB right now and growing about 1-2 GB each time i go out to shoot. i had planned to do archiving on DVD, but it looks like i won't ever have to, using

RE: OT: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Joseph Tainter
Dag wrote: The DOF scale on Pentax lenses refers to a CoC of 35 microns, while the corresponding CoC for the APS sensor is 20 microns. Dag, where did you get that 20 microns figure? Can we reliably use it? Thanks, Joe

OT: RIKENON 28-110mm f2.8-3.8 ?

2004-07-20 Thread Alan Chan
Does anyone know anything about this lens? The spec. and price are good, but I have found no review or reference. How is the optics? Anyone used or owned one? Any comments? Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Take advantage of

Re: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Caveman
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

RE: OT: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 18:37, Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.photo.net/learn/optics/dofdigital/ Thanks for the link, Rob. I guess my 35 mm. lenses will have less DOF on the *ist D. Well yes and no :-) As you may have seen in that article the DOF scales on most 35mm full frame lenses are

RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread J. C. O'Connell
wrong, I get C-41 superb results, no scratches, and CHEAPER than the photofinishers. Results are more consisitant because I do it myself and my techniques are easily repeated. Every photofinisher is going to be slightly different I would think. JCO -Original Message- From: Herb Chong

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 20:35, Herb Chong wrote: even at my rate of shooting, i keep everything online and expect my hard drive capacity to grow significantly faster than my ability to fill it. 165GB right now and growing about 1-2 GB each time i go out to shoot. i had planned to do archiving on

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
the major record labels now derive 15% of their profits from sales of ring tunes for cell phones. have you used a recent model Sony? you can choose your sounds for many of the camera's functions. Herb... - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
we will never have much effect on their market. most of the entire camera market is young women who are in charge of the family's memories of important events in their children's lives. by PMAI estimates, this is about 70% of all of the potential camera buyers in North America. they want a box

A problem you will never have with digital

2004-07-20 Thread graywolf
I came up with a new technique today. Pre-fixing negatives. Last night I loaded my daylight developing tank (the bathroom is still only light tight at night) with the 6 sheets of 4x5 Plus-X film I had shot last week. Today I measured out the D-76 1:1, a water stop bath, and fixer 1:3 all of them

RE: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Don Sanderson
That's just way too cool! (ROTFLMAO) Don -Original Message- From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digital vs Film http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
in 5 years, i would like to see you do the same. we're not talking today. this instant, there are still more film cameras than digital cameras. if this instant were to continue without change, Butch, William, and Bill would not be thinking of new careers. Herb... - Original Message -

Re: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Jul 2004 at 20:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh that Film vs Digital thread was so much fun, why don't we start it again, but this time do digital vs film. The noise to signal ratio on this list is getting terrible. Ultimately, I don't give a rats ass about digital, I'm not worried

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Herb Chong
i'm looking at a 1TB RAID box too. Herb - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying? Lacie have a 1TB external drive box now too, it's pretty well priced

Re: OT: RIKENON 28-110mm f2.8-3.8 ?

2004-07-20 Thread Jim Apilado
The lens I have is the Rikenon P Zoom. I got it off eBay a few years ago to go with my Ricoh XR-X-3PF. The P lenses allowed you to use the program mode on the camera. The lens is a heavy beast. I am satisfied with the results I get with it. I can use the lens on my LX; I just have to watch

RE: OT: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread Tom C
I wonder if this has some impact on the issue of sharpness/unsharpness... not of the *ist D vs. other DSLR's, but in general, if DOF is somewhat less than expected... Tom C. From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: DOF and

Re: A problem you will never have with digital

2004-07-20 Thread Norm Baugher
Ah, embarrassingly, you're not alone Norm graywolf wrote: However, this is, I think, the stupidest thing I have ever done in a darkroom.

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread Otis Wright
Notice anything of note, interest, etc. in the profile of those bringing in memory cards, etc. for printing? Otis Wright Bill Owens wrote: Not so. Those consumers who used to bring film in for processing are now bringing in memory cards for us to print, and those prints are basically the same

PDML Mini FAQ (was Re-- Comment and Question (WAS: RE-- Apology for............)

2004-07-20 Thread graywolf
Not rules, Don, just general consensus. For Sale (and Want To Buy): Pentax stuff anytime. Although many only want to have to look on Fridays, and prefer For Sale Fridays. Most of us would prefer that you limit any non-Pentax stuff to Fridays as well. Ebay: It is all right to mention things YOU

Re: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for............)

2004-07-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Don Sanderson Subject: Comment and Question (WAS: RE: Apology for) SO hows about a little FAQ with dos and don'ts and definitions so us newbies don't have to rub quite so much fur the wrong way? Rules are for wimps. I figure if something

Re: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Joseph Tainter Subject: RE: Digital vs Film When I got my *ist D I expected still to use film. As it is, I haven't shot any since last September, and don't know when I will again. I wanted some realy wide angle stuff the other day, so I tossed my 15mm

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying? wrong, I get C-41 superb results, no scratches, and CHEAPER than the photofinishers. Results are more consisitant because I do it myself and my techniques are easily repeated. Every

Re: OT: DOF and digital cameras

2004-07-20 Thread graywolf
Hey, great idea! You could customize your prints to your customers eyesight. What a great marketing tool. Rob Studdert wrote: On 20 Jul 2004 at 21:04, graywolf wrote: CoC is fixed at 1/100th inch in such a case, and is based upon average human eyesight. I believe we should all have our

Re: Tak WA hood question

2004-07-20 Thread Jim Colwell
I use a Hama clamp-on rectangular hood for 52mm filter on SMCP 28/3.5 and SMCP 35/3.5 lenses. It is light plastic and not fancy, but it does a good job. I lined the inside of the hood with flocked paper, and it is a black hole. I do the same with most solid hoods; otherwise, many of them can

RE: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I use paper drums for sheet film and patterson tanks for roll film. both using constant agitation with a drum roller. Very consistant results. Total investment in the equipment about $100. JCO -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004

Re: Digital vs Film

2004-07-20 Thread Rfsindg
Thank You Norm... Regards, Bob S. I don't think Bob was referring to pros and cons of the new media, I would imagine, like me, endless speculation as to market stats and the end-time date of film's demise. Norm Rob Studdert wrote: If you are referring to the posts that have been made lately

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