Doug Franklin wrote:
Adam Maas wrote:
[...] 940 ton Flower Class Corvette, which was pretty much the
smallest real ocean-going combat vessel.
For an interesting fictionalized inside look at fighting WW2 and the
North Atlantic in a Corvette, look for a book titled The Cruel Sea.
It's
On Sep 22, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Bob W wrote:
Depends. Some places let you have citizenship if you were born there.
I think I'm entitled to Australian citizenship, but I've never looked
into it.
Yes, NZ used to do that until just recently (about a year ago, I
think), as people were coming here
On 22/09/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, NZ used to do that until just recently (about a year ago, I
think), as people were coming here on holiday when they just
happened to be 8.99 months pregnant.
Yes, and then due to AUS/NZ reciprocal agreements they'd claim
residency In Oz
Unfortunately, not in the US.
Norm
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I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not where
you were hatched...
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I think the question was about the nationality of those born at sea, which
by definition is not in the US.
John
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:15:45 +0100, Norman Baugher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately, not in the US.
Norm
From: graywolf
I believe it is the citizenship of the parents
graywolf wrote:
Actually I have kind of thought on occasion that we should have an
ongoing general thread name for all this kind of stuff, but it would
just die out and the stuff appear when it did not fit. How could it not?
Thread morphing is an inalienable right, dammit! :-)
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--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at
all.
Don't give up so easily on your dream :-)!
I know a lot of people who are prone to seasickness
but still will not be deterred from travelling by sea.
Many people find great relief from the
On 20/9/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967.
Just about! Empress of Canada (CP) in 1964, to Montreal.
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I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
coming to England from Australia in 1958.
Bob - - you're ***Australian*** ??
Oh, I'm so sorry mate.
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On 20/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
coming to England from Australia in 1958.
Bob - - you're ***Australian*** ??
Oh, I'm so sorry mate.
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I was born there, mate, and my Mum's
At 02:43 PM 21/09/2006, Cotty wrote:
On 20/9/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
I can beat that. I took my first baby steps aboard the Strathnaver
coming to England from Australia in 1958.
Bob - - you're ***Australian*** ??
Oh, I'm so sorry mate.
Yes. Yes you are.
Dave ;-)
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:)
James
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From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
Well, I did my first trans-continental flight
PM
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
--- From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena
on the Capetown Castle -
never could make up my mind whether that was a
cruise or a voyage.
Line voyage.
A good friend of mine was a purserette
On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.
What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in
international waters?
- Dave the landlubber
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On 21/9/06, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed:
What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a ship in
international waters?
Wet.
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Op Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:12:17 +0200 schreef David Mann
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On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
You know it's bad when even Australia ships you out.
grin
What would you put on your passport if you'd been born on a
From: Douglas Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 04:29:09 GMT
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
--- From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena
on the Capetown Castle -
never could make up
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 06:42:07 GMT
To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
On 20/9/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/09/21 Thu AM 08:12:17 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
I was born there, mate, and my Mum's name's Sheila.
You know it's bad
On 21/9/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
Same year my uncle emigrated. What month?
I'll have to find out.
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On 21/9/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
Same year my uncle emigrated. What month?
I'll have to find out.
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On 21/9/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
I remember quite clearly waving them off and watching the Empress moving
to the middle of the Mersy and anchoring. We then went past it on the
ferry back to Birkenhead, even closer than we had been at Pierhead.
Yes, I 'm not sure where we got
Douglas Newman wrote:
--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at
all.
Don't give up so easily on your dream :-)!
I know a lot of people who are prone to seasickness
but still will not be deterred from travelling by sea.
Well,
, and the Bay of Biscay, of ill repute, was a pussy cat!
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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Mike, it was Liverpool we embarked from and it was July.
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On 21/9/06, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:
take the Channel Tunnel in one direction and the hovercraft
ferry in the other to access the mainland from England.
The Chunnel is brilliant but anticlimactic. The time taken from driving
off the freeway in England, to driving onto the
You will get over it in a couple of days GRIN!
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I don't mind heavy
I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not where
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David Mann wrote:
On Sep 21, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Bob W wrote:
graywolf wrote:
You can tell the old destroyer guys, because they never set their coffee
mug down for fear it will go flying across the room. BTW, I did not know
the RN had destroyers, I thought the RN called that class of ship a
corvette?*
*Ah, looked it up a corvette seems to be what
On 22/09/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.seacontainers.com/passenger/lg_seacat_hales_2.htm
Made in 'Stralia (like Bob W)
http://www.incat.com.au/product_fs.html
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Subchasers, have fun,
http://www.splinterfleet.org/
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Adam Maas wrote:
graywolf wrote:
You can tell the old destroyer guys, because they never set
Ah, those are dinky little coastal patrol boats, nothing like the ships
we were talking about.
An SC is 85 tons, less than 1/10th the size of the 940 ton Flower Class
Corvette, which was pretty much the smallest real ocean-going combat
vessel. The Destroyer Escorts which were the US's primary
--- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Empress of Canada (CP) in 1964, to Montreal.
Ah, the lovely EMPRESS OF CANADA! One of my favorite
(and highly under-appreciated) post-war liners.
She was broken up in 2004, but you can buy a piece of
her at:
http://www.midshipcentury.com/empressofcanada.shtml
--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've also wanted for a long time to do a Europe
trip where I fly in and out of England, and take the
Channel Tunnel in one direction and the hovercraft
ferry in the other
I'm afraid you're too late - the hovercraft have been
retired.
Crossing the
--- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forget the hovercraft - outdated slow ;-) You want
to go on the sea cat:
They don't have those on the Channel any longer,
either!
Not long after Sea Containers retired the hovercraft,
they shut down Hoverspeed entirely and sold the
SeaCats elsewhere.
The
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I believe it is the citizenship of the parents that counts, not
where
you were hatched...
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On 21/9/06, Douglas Newman, discombobulated, unleashed:
Ah, the lovely EMPRESS OF CANADA! One of my favorite
(and highly under-appreciated) post-war liners.
She was broken up in 2004, but you can buy a piece of
her at:
http://www.midshipcentury.com/empressofcanada.shtml
I highly recommend the
Douglas Newman wrote:
--- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forget the hovercraft - outdated slow ;-) You want
to go on the sea cat:
They don't have those on the Channel any longer,
either!
Not long after Sea Containers retired the hovercraft,
they shut down Hoverspeed entirely and
includes one or more phonemes from any language.
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Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
I
On 9/21/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable place.
Milwaukee?
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Scott Loveless wrote:
On 9/21/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable place.
Milwaukee?
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch, Wales.
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On 21/9/06, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
They still run a fast ferry between Holyhead and Dublin, I believe. Next
trip over we may fly into Dublin and get the ferry to Wales. Probably
less hassle than going through London.
Ahh, this is true. My parents live near Holyhead and have
Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable
place.
Milwaukee?
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch, Wales.
If Milwaukee is the arsehole of the Earth, and
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch, Wales is the
putrid
Heeeyyy!! I resemble that!
-P
Scott Loveless wrote:
On 9/21/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Har! That means anybody but me, my ancestors came from an unspeakable place.
Milwaukee?
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Adam Maas wrote:
[...] 940 ton Flower Class Corvette, which was pretty much the
smallest real ocean-going combat vessel.
For an interesting fictionalized inside look at fighting WW2 and the
North Atlantic in a Corvette, look for a book titled The Cruel Sea.
It's apparently been made into a
On 9/21/06 7:59 PM, Doug Franklin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] 940 ton Flower Class Corvette, which was pretty much the
smallest real ocean-going combat vessel.
For an interesting fictionalized inside look at fighting WW2 and the
North Atlantic in a Corvette, look for a book titled The
K.Takeshita wrote:
Lo and behold! I forgot it was the PDML! :-).
Subject Line? What's that? It's where?! Wow!
:-)
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On 9/21/06 8:24 PM, Doug Franklin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject Line? What's that? It's where?! Wow!
Was just so amused how quickly one subject morphs into completely another.
Keep on going :-).
Ken
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Actually I have kind of thought on occasion that we should have an
ongoing general thread name for all this kind of stuff, but it would
just die out and the stuff appear when it did not fit. How could it not?
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Idiot
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 11:25:18 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries!
Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?
People are scared of icebergs. Don't they know
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Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?
People are scared of icebergs. Don't they know modern ships are unsinkable?
They should trust technology - it knows what it's
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Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?
People are scared of icebergs. Don't they know modern ships are unsinkable?
They should trust technology - it knows what
--- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The North Atlantic is a dark and stormy sea in the
wintertime.
The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
you're lucky.
Thank you for joining out Masochists Special
winter cruise.
First,
Douglas Newman wrote:
First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing
You're that old Mark?
Norm
From: Mark Roberts
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before Cunard
Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite
First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made
Norman Baugher wrote:
From: Mark Roberts
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before Cunard
Lines ended transatlantic service. Quite an
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:07:20 +0100, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in
Well, I did my first trans-continental flight in 1952, in a DC3, of
course. Beat that.
John
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:07:20 +0100, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First, let's get this straight: if you cross the
Atlantic by sea, it's a CROSSING, not a CRUISE.
Oh yes! I probably represent
On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Norman Baugher wrote:
From: Mark Roberts
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I believe, the next-to-last crossing the ship made before
On 9/20/06, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 20, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Norman Baugher wrote:
From: Mark Roberts
Oh yes! I probably represent the last generation ever to emigrate to
America by ship. We came over on the Queen Elizabeth I in 1967. It
was, I
--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I probably represent the last generation ever to
emigrate to America by ship.
Well, by 1967, not only were few people emigrating to
America by ship, but few people were emigrating from
Western Europe to America by any means, except perhaps
some from
Douglas Newman wrote:
The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
you're lucky.
I've read so many books about the U-boat War in the North Atlantic
during WW2 that I've always wanted to do a winter crossing. It'd have
to be on
Douglas Newman wrote:
[...] it is also the 39th
anniversary of the launching of QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 at
John Brown Company, Clydebank.
Ironically enough, I was there to see the last craft launched from the
construction docks at Clydebank in 1994 or 1995. At least that was the
story then.
Modern Destroyers are roughly the size of WWII Cruisers, though more
lightly armored.
Doug Franklin wrote:
Douglas Newman wrote:
The North Atlantic can be a dark and stormy sea any
time of year... And it can also be quite pleasant if
you're lucky.
I've read so many books about the
Depends on the destroyer. The smaller ASW Destroyers like the Canadian
Tribal's are the size of a Light Cruiser, and similarly carry no armor,
while an Arleigh Burke is the size of a modern cruiser (They're
essentially the same size as a Ticonderoga) or a WW2 Heavy Cruiser but
carries no
, and the Bay of Biscay, of ill repute, was a pussy cat!
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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Douglas
P. J. Alling wrote:
Modern Destroyers are roughly the size of WWII Cruisers, though more
lightly armored.
I wouldn't do a North Atlantic winter crossing in a modern cruiser, much
less a WW2 destroyer, or worse yet, a WW2 corvette.
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levels above main deck. In some
scenes, the fore deck disappears under water due to the rolling waves with
the waves breaking over the front 16 turrets !
Kenneth Waller
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From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Now Virgin Bans Some Laptop Batteries
--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've read so many books about the U-boat War in
the North Atlantic during WW2 that I've always wanted
to do a winter crossing. It'd have to be on something
the size of the QE2 or the QM2, though.
I don't mind heavy weather but I would certainly not
cross
Douglas Newman wrote:
--- Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I don't mind heavy weather but I would certainly not
cross the Atlantic in mid-winter in a small ship.
Actually, I'm not sure I'd ever be able to do it at all. My longest
transit was a very fair weather run from Port Everglades to
--- From: John Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I travelled, in 1967, from Southampton to St.Helena
on the Capetown Castle -
never could make up my mind whether that was a
cruise or a voyage.
Line voyage.
A good friend of mine was a purserette (as they then
called female pursers) aboard U-C ships
Could be useful info for travellers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5355454.stm
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On 9/19/06, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could be useful info for travellers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5355454.stm
You might want to book your travel arrangements for GFM now.
http://cruises.affordabletours.com/Transatlantic/
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On 19/9/06, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
You might want to book your travel arrangements for GFM now.
http://cruises.affordabletours.com/Transatlantic/
Curly
Oh I get it - a wise guy huh!!
/Curly
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Now I wonder why the prices are so much less in the middle of the winter?
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On 19/9/06, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
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