Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Boz, perhaps there is a minor glimpse of hope here. Could it be that for K and M lenses the new mount would work, but it wouldn't allow open aperture metering? But wait, I am afraid I am wrong, because it would mean that mechanical aperture coupling would have to be different in order for

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Arnold Stark
Not so fast! I do not see, why K or M lenses should not work with future Pentax SLRs. All I see is that FAJ lenses won't be usable on pre-A-series cameras. However, that itself is a piece of sh*t. Well, I would not want to own such low-end zooms anyway. Arnold

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Boz wrote: So, let me be the first one to pronounce the death of the K-mount compatibility. :-((( Pentax has just rendered all K- and M-series lenses obsolete. Long live the crippled K-af mount!!! :-((( But the DSLR might feature support for K and M lenses, you say... Yes it might,

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Alin Flaider
Boz wrote: pbd What a slip by Pentax USA! This manual probably should have been pbd released after the new top-of-the-line piece-of-sh*t comes out, after we pbd find out that it doesn't support the older lenses. Well, there are two possibilities: - either these are the lenses to be

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
I wrote: They may have bearing on the general shape of things when it comes to Pentax K-mount system. It is supposed to be: They may NOT have any. Pål

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!!

2003-02-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Boz, on 11 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list: What a slip by Pentax USA! ACK. So, let me be the first one to pronounce the death of the K-mount compatibility. :-((( I wouldn't go so far. Those FAJ lenses cannot be the expected wide-anlge lenses for the DSLR. I suspect that the FAJ lenses

Re: posting eBay auctions - final remarks

2003-02-11 Thread Rfsindg
Doug, The act of hop over to ebay and stumble across an incredible deal qualifies as work. That puts you in a whole different class from those who whine I want a ..., but never even bother to look! (Are they waiting for someone on the PDML to hand them a bargain?!!!) Always happy to

Re: OT: Possible mobile phone virus

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Whaley
Hi Mike and all... Not to worry. This is a hoax. Your warning is welcome nevertheless. See: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/mobile-phone-hoax.html - wherein it's explained clearly. There are two versions of this hoax, and the ACE one is one of them. Your reputable source ought to

Re: Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread pentax
Hi Arnold, Not so fast! I do not see, why K or M lenses should not work with future Pentax SLRs. No technical reason, I grant you that. But if they made the marketing decision to leave out aperture rings away on some lenses now, they will leave them out on some more soon, and then they

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!!

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Whaley
Oh, let them stew, Heiko. They're all so concerned it's the 'end of Pentax as we know it' before Pentax has actually SAID anything at all about it's intended use! I too hope it's a misjudgement, and those lenses _are_ to be used on a new, inexpensive, yet-to-be-announced camera body. Pentax DID

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Matt Greene
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the time I try very hard to compose exactly what I want in the viewfinder, but a) I'm sometimes unable to do so because of not being able to change my location quickly enough or not having quite as long a lens as I needed at that

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: I HOPE I AM WRONG!!! Typical 3rd party lens junk. I've a used SF-1 that came with an autofocus Tokina. Only after purchase did I realize that the lens had no aperture ring! Maybe FAJ stands for FA Junk lens. Regards, Bob S.

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Arnold Stark
More from the FA lenses manual: - FA28-90/f3.5-5.6 , FAJ28-80/f3.5-5.6 AL and FAJ75-300/f4.5-5.8 AL lenses have no distance scale, adjust focus with the aid of the matte-field for non-auto focus camera or using focus indicator in the viewfinder for auto-focus camera - The FAJ zooms take 58mm

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...a good photo will overcome its format. That's a keeper! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!!

2003-02-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Rfsindg, on 11 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Maybe FAJ stands for FA Junk lens. LOL. That's it. Who knows - maybe this is the next, subtly prereleased April-fool trick of Pentax, after the 110-DSLR. Cheers, Heiko

RE: OT: Possible mobile phone virus

2003-02-11 Thread Rob Brigham
Its OK if your name is not 'Ace ...' - you might wonder why nobody is answering your calls today?!?!?! -Original Message- From: Keith Whaley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February 2003 12:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Possible mobile phone virus Hi Mike and

Re: 30mm f2.8 on ebay

2003-02-11 Thread Fred
You are right, Frank. I apologize, John, for my sarcasm, the result of typing before thinking - Sorry. Gee, I sent this out at 9:44 AM EST on February 9, and it just arrived back in my mailbox, almost two days later. Maybe the PDML server choked on it - it's probably not used to me

Re: Best AND cheapest Pentax lenses

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone an opunion about the SMC M 100/2.8 lens? The general consensus seems to be that it is one of the best all-around bargains--very good optically and usually very inexpensive. Which brings up another interesting exercise. What would you say are

Re: John Daniele on Photo Net

2003-02-11 Thread John Daniele
William, Brendan and Bruce Thanks for the comments I am new at this so I appreciate the help I am not insulted or ripped in any way. I did my developing by reading the instructions on the bottle, there seems to be so many variables between what the negative looks like to how it is scanned to what

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 11.02.03 13:12, Pål Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the extent these lenses exist at all and not a printing error, they are obviously ultra cheap basement level lenses not meant for those who sit on large lens inventories. Unfortunately, the competition has cheapened out and removed

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can say for myself that MF is significantly better looking in the larger prints. That doesn't mean there isn't a time and place where 35mm is the best choice, just that a bigger negative makes for a better bigger picture. Bruce this month's

RE: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The file comes out with the right amount of megapixels because of the software interpolation making guesses about what's going on between the sensors. This adds to the filesize but doesn't add any actual information. interpolation adds

Re: Best AND cheapest Pentax lenses

2003-02-11 Thread Fred
Are you referring to: PENTAX - ZOOM LENSES 35-70 F4 SMC A (58) / 2 TOUCH ??? Because on Boz's site it does not mention a macro capability. It says that the min. focussing distance is .25 M, which I would assume is not macro? Maybe I have the wrong lens? If so, would you mind providing

Re: OT: Okay, the ultimate PC vs Mac antidote!!!!

2003-02-11 Thread gfen
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote: http://www.smuniverse.com/pmac/ In this case, you'd just get a slow Mac with a bad interface.* Convienetly enough, as I attempt to clean out my home, I've come across an old mac SE, a pile of 9 monitors, and a Compaq iPaq baby PC, and a stack of old

RE: Of all the normal lenses...

2003-02-11 Thread Butch Black
On 2/10/2003 Greg wrote; It's SMC PENTAX-M 1:2 50mm, according to the printing on the front. Is this one of the good ones, or one of the cheap ones? It's SMC, but it's not a Takumar 50/1.4. SMC Takumars 50/1.4 were screw mount lenses. The SMCP-M 50/2.0 is a good lens, you should not be having

Re: Best AND cheapest Pentax lenses

2003-02-11 Thread gfen
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote: I would say the SMCP-M 100/2.8 ranks. So does the SMCP-M 50/1.7. The A50/2 was one of my favourites...Dirt cheap, new at like $40, small, light, well built. I regret selling it, but it wasn't doing me much good. Also, teh FA28-70/4 seems to routinely

Cheapest Pentax Extension Tubes

2003-02-11 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Inspired by the best and cheapest lens thread, I was browsing lenses on BH, and saw extension tubes listed. And it looks to me like the cheapest Pentax AF extension tube is the Tamron 1.4x teleconverter with lens removed, for $50. The tubes without lenses cost around $150. What in the world is

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Arnold wrote: - FA28-90/f3.5-5.6 , FAJ28-80/f3.5-5.6 AL and FAJ75-300/f4.5-5.8 AL lenses have no distance scale, adjust focus with the aid of the matte-field for non-auto focus camera or using focus indicator in the viewfinder for auto-focus camera Something that proves that these lenses

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Matt Greene said: The talk aobut grain always bothers me. Grain is purely subjective. Some prints are absolutely horrid (most BW images) without grain. Then again, printing on textured paper defeats grain argument every time. Grain, like saturated colors is, for all intents and purposes,

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 11.02.03 15:38, Pål Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - FA28-90/f3.5-5.6 , FAJ28-80/f3.5-5.6 AL and FAJ75-300/f4.5-5.8 AL lenses have no distance scale, adjust focus with the aid of the matte-field for non-auto focus camera or using focus indicator in the viewfinder for auto-focus camera

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Matt wrote: And the whole idea of saying pixels seems somehow odd, since the discussion is about film and not digital images and slide or print film, by their very nature, do not have pixels, though I understood what you meant. How is the discussion about film? The thread is called

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Don't forget that digital camera marketers count each R, G and B sensor separately in the megapixel rating. In which case it should probably be called megadots. While I'm being pedantic, I assume you mean ppi instead of dpi in your printing resolution ;) The file comes out with the right

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a new one on me, but I just picked up an FA 28-70mm and wanted to find out about any special features it might have. I downloaded the FA Interchangeable lens Manual from Pentax USA and discovered it covered the FAJ 28-80 f3.5-5.6AL and the FAJ

Re: Top 10 Worst Clichés

2003-02-11 Thread whickersworld
Mike Johnston wrote: ...Which brings up another interesting question. What are the worst photographic clichés of all time? Mike, Without any doubt, the worst photographic clichés of all time are the Rules of Composition. Especially the Rule of Thirds. Regards, John

Re: ultrawide lens questions

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
for some time now i have been looking for an ultrawide lens (18mm and wider). i seem to somewhat narrowed my list of choices: pentax 15mm/3.5 voigtlander 15mm or 12mm pentax fisheye 17mm/4 pentax fisheye 16mm/2.8 does anyone here have experience with these? the review on luminous landscape gives

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
my own personal opinion, Bruce (and it's just between the two of us), having shot a few miles of MF and a few more miles of 35mm, is that a good photo will overcome its format. Well said, Doug. I might add to that a trivial additional observation, which is that a good photo will also

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Artur Ledóchowski
- Original Message - From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses) - or these lenses are MZ-60 dedicated and intended to further drop the price of the entry level slr kit. I'm pretty sure this is the case. The lenses seem

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck????

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
discovered it covered the FAJ 28-80 f3.5-5.6AL and the FAJ 75-300 f4.5-5.8AL. These lenses, and I quote, 'do not have aperture ring to control f-stop, camera body controls f-stop on A position.' These lenses aren't mentioned on Boz's site and I've never seen or heard of them before, anyone

Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven things up? ;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, How about cats playing in the flower bed? Hmm...I know I have some cat photos around here somewhere... AAUUUG! Flower shots are something I have mixed feelings about: I don't much like *looking* at flower photos, but I really

Hands up who crops?

2003-02-11 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Rob Brigham said: OK lets have a show of hands. Who here often finds they left just a little too much space around their subject, either due to not framing as well as possible or because you couldn't get close enough of enough magnification. Who here sometimes takes a lanscape format

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck????

2003-02-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Iren, on 11 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list: No. These FAJ zoom lenses are not even in the current product list in Japan. They are something for the future. Maybe they were intended for the MZ-D/MR-52 and now they are obsolete ;-) HAR! Cheers, Heiko

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
I'll admit it, I crop, (I feel like I'm in an AA meeting). Often I will compose a photo knowing I intend to crop from the beginning, some subjects just scream out for a panoramic treatment, or square treatment, as well as the reasons Bob listed At 09:51 AM 2/11/2003 +, Bob wrote: OK lets

Re: Optio S pre-order (and prices)

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
Must be the VAT. At 11:47 AM 2/11/2003 +0100, Scars wrote: Hi! Amazon Germany (or the zshops) has it listed for 529 Euro http://s1.amazon.de/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y04Y2262953Y2956152/qid%3 D1044959909/sr%3D1-1/028-5489151-1156544 - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL

Re: Pentax DSLRs

2003-02-11 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:12 AM, Juey Chong Ong wrote: Wedding/studio shooters are already wedded to their 'Blads; why would they want to give it up when they can get a square format, 48-megapixel digital back for their 'Blad and minimally disrupt their shooting workflow? (ok, it

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Rob, Sounds like square format would actually work well for you. I used to shoot too tight and when it came time to frame, I would not have enough around the edges so the subject would be uncomfortably tight in the frame. From my experience, at least with people shots, it is better to be just a

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck????

2003-02-11 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 11.02.03 17:04, Heiko Hamann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Iren, on 11 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list: No. These FAJ zoom lenses are not even in the current product list in Japan. They are something for the future. Maybe they were intended for the MZ-D/MR-52 and now they are

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!!

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
They may not even be released, it won't be the first time a product has found it's way into a manufacturers literature and never seen the light of day. For a non Pentax example my 1993 Saturn owners manual talks about the SL3 a vehicle that was never manufactured. At 01:19 PM 2/11/2003 +0100,

RE: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Rob Brigham
I agree I need both, but on the longer telephoto score, as I said both a 600mm and/or a track pass for a Grand Prix are out of my league. I do need to improve my skills, but just having a quick look at your shots on Sunday photog, you have a perfect example of the kind of crop I do for people

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
this month's Shutterbug has an interesting opinion on this. define better first, is what they boil down to, and then you can decide if 35mm format good enough or not. for some people, grain or lack thereof, which is what tonality that medium and large format photographers treasure is derived

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread pentax
Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: More from the FA lenses manual: - FA28-90/f3.5-5.6 , FAJ28-80/f3.5-5.6 AL and FAJ75-300/f4.5-5.8 AL lenses have no distance scale, adjust focus with the aid of the matte-field for non-auto focus camera My first thought: Pentax must have gone completely mad.

Re: Optio S pre-order (and prices)

2003-02-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Peter, on 11 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Amazon Germany (or the zshops) has it listed for 529 Euro Must be the VAT. And a very conservative price policy by Amazon. You can find various German online shops offering the Optio S at 469,- Euro. That seems to be a realistic streeet price

RE: Best AND cheapest Pentax lenses

2003-02-11 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What would you say are the best AND cheapest Pentax lenses for someone looking to put together a basic kit for reasonable bucks? I think that at least most of the lenses suggested so far are primes (not surprisingly).

Re: End of K-mount?

2003-02-11 Thread Arnold Stark
P - A - T- I - E - N - C - E!! Just wait and see what PMA really brings. Arnold Iren Henry Chu schrieb: Dear all, I feel sick by the news of two new KAJ mount lenses. I think it signals the end of K-mount afterall. Obviously, the new user manual is designed for future use, as the KAJ

Re: SMC M 100/2.8

2003-02-11 Thread Bill Lawlor
Thanks for the advice. It is in near mint condition, but $150 might be too high. I think I'll take it for a test walk around the block. Bill Lawlor Has anyone an opunion about the SMC M 100/2.8 lens? The general consensus seems to be that it is one of the best all-around bargains--very good

Re: Worst clichés

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Mike, Without any doubt, the worst photographic clichés of all time are the Rules of Composition. Especially the Rule of Thirds. Regards, John HAR! John, are you by any chance new to the list? Say, within the last couple of months? Or are you joking here? In any event, a man

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck????

2003-02-11 Thread gfen
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote: Hmm, those weren't supposed to be announced until later. Whoops! They're a couple of entry-level zooms for the most inexpensive bodies. So far available in Japan only, not here. Sure, sure... Don't worry, this is not the wave of the future. I

Re[2]: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Alin Flaider
Arnold wrote: AS - FAJ28-80/f3.5-5.6 AL: 8 elements in 8 groups, 0.4meters minimum focus AS disctance; 63x67mm, 180grams AS - FAJ75-300/f4.5-5.8 AL: 12 elements in 10 groups, 1.3 meters minimum AS focus disctance; 69x116mm, 385grams I haven't downloaded the manual, so I'm asking you to check

Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven things up? ;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Al Shaikh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another flower for mike http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=72 It must be that Valentine's Day is fast approaching. Feel the love! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!!

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They may not even be released, it won't be the first time a product has found it's way into a manufacturers literature and never seen the light of day. For a non Pentax example my 1993 Saturn owners manual talks about the SL3 a vehicle that was never

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Herb, I base better on my own taste - which is, as you say, tonality and detail. I have never been one that is that interested in grain as a positive factor in my images. Also, my clients prefer my MF stuff over my 35mm stuff (when they have a choice). Certainly as Doug put it, the image

Re: How to beat a $8000 DSLR for $300

2003-02-11 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd say having 140 shots on one card with no film costs, no developing chores, and no need to wait to see the results is light years away from the era of the press camera. You're welcome to go back if you prefer, but shooting with a press camera

Hands up who crops?

2003-02-11 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And nobody has even mentioned the poor, neglected spies and private eyes that need as much information in their photos as they can get. They need to read license plates and recognize people's faces from a distance, you know. they used to use

Cheap SLRs, WAS: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJlenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
I'm pretty sure this is the case. The lenses seem to be as simple, cheap and toy-like as possible - a proper addition to the similarly toy-like MZ-60, which is IMHO one big mistake by Pentax. It's not a mistake, actually. There's been a trend over the past couple of years of people who buy

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Mike, Very interesting point. When I first got my 67II, I always put it on a tripod. When doing studio and location portraits, I found that the tripod was too slow to work with to capture natural poses and expressions. There was always that last minute fiddling with the tripod before the shot

Re: Re[2]: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread pentax
Hi Alin, Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 11.02.2003, 17:23:30: I haven't downloaded the manual, so I'm asking you to check if there's anywhere SMC mentioned in the lens designations. Pentax is very careful with this. If it's no SMC then we can safely assume these are low end

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
The good Nikon G lenses also have other features that can't be properly utilized by bodies that can't fully use G lenses, like AF motor in lens and VR. You need a current body to make best use of the body anyway, besides control of the aperture from the body. This hasn't stopped the wailing of

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a matter of taste, so I don't argue that they ARE better, nor do I disrespect (at all) any photographer who disagrees. But I also don't easily accept it when people presume that larger is always better. That's an opinion, not a fact

Re: Cheapest Pentax Extension Tubes

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
My theory is that they do all of than then simply discard the lenses. That would account for the cost. ;) At 09:36 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: Inspired by the best and cheapest lens thread, I was browsing lenses on BH, and saw extension tubes listed. And it looks to me like the cheapest

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
This is, in fact, the deal with Nikon G lenses on older bodies. Welcome to the family. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AFJ lenses must have a mount that acts as if the aperture ring is permanently in the A position. So the lenses should be usable in P and Tv modes on the A- and P-series

Mystery link

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Sorry, I missed something. Whose shot is this, and what was it taken with? http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/images/bw2002-4-2.jpg TIA, --Mike

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
The information is here: http://www.pentax.com/docstore/index.cfm?show=6 Goto --Lenses--SMC FA Interchangeable Lenses (download the manual). The quote is on page 36 (I think). At 11:42 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: The good Nikon G lenses also have other features that can't be properly

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck????

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
I think it would take alot to convince these parts of that case, as many will then point to the VR Nikon G lens. What have Pentax lenses to do with Nikon? Pål

Re: Re[2]: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Alin wrote: If it's no SMC then we can safely assume these are low end lenses only - no danger of generalization. Isn't it enough that they lack focus scale to remove all doubt that they are strictly bottom level? Pål

Re: End of K-mount?

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Arnold wrote: P - A - T- I - E - N - C - E!! We don't have to wait very long Pål

Re: End of K-mount?

2003-02-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Good grief! How is possible to react in the way cited below to the fact that Pentax release two bottom level lenses? We had the same sort of reaction when they released the first plastic mount lenses. Suddenly all Pentax lenses would use plastic mounts! Pentax is just releasing the same crap as

Re: SMC M 100/2.8

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Whaley
Almost on topic (not an M-series) but I have a perfect little Super-Multi-Coated Takumar f:2.8/105 that I've been dying to try out, but haven't yet. Has anyone an opinion on this lens while I'm waiting for better weather? keith whaley Bill Lawlor wrote: Thanks for the advice. It is in near

Re: Optio S pre-order (and prices)

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
That's also true the initial price offering will drop rather quickly I'm sure. At 05:15 PM 2/11/2003 +0100, you wrote: Hi Peter, on 11 Feb 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Amazon Germany (or the zshops) has it listed for 529 Euro Must be the VAT. And a very conservative price policy by Amazon.

Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven things up?;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Another flower for mike http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=72 I find flowers disturbing. Especially in color. I think it was the French painter Edgar Degas who wrote that he was disturbed by the visual cacaphony of bouquets of flowers. He seldom painted them, with one famous exception, a

Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven things up? ;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
No you wouldn't At 10:13 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, How about cats playing in the flower bed? Hmm...I know I have some cat photos around here somewhere... AAUUUG! Flower shots are something I have mixed feelings

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!!

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
You can order one, I'll take the down payment and it'll be shipped just as soon as it's released, I promise. At 11:28 AM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They may not even be released, it won't be the first time a product has found it's way into a manufacturers

Re: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Also, my clients prefer my MF stuff over my 35mm stuff (when they have a choice). Bruce, How true. Fine-art buyers, also, are less impressed with 35mm prints, at least from contemporary photographers. Generally, buyers of all stripes tend to be more impressed the further you can get from

Re: Mystery link

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Whaley
David Brooks. Good brokeh, eh? He didn't mention what camera or any other particulars... keith Mike Johnston wrote: Sorry, I missed something. Whose shot is this, and what was it taken with? http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/images/bw2002-4-2.jpg TIA, --Mike

Re: Mystery link

2003-02-11 Thread David Brooks
Oh Oh.Do i have to go to the principles office for thisvbg Its mine,Mike. Shot last spring(2002)early June if memory serves, in the backyard. Gear: Pentax Super Program and SMC A 70-210 using the macro on it.Film i think was Tmax but may have been Delta 100. Dave Begin Original Message

Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven things up?;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Whaley
Mike Johnston wrote: Another flower for mike http://www.usefilm.com/showphoto.php?id=72 I find flowers disturbing. Especially in color. Disturbing? Hmmm. In person, or just in photos? keith I think it was the French painter Edgar Degas who wrote that he was disturbed by the visual

Re: Cheapest Pentax Extension Tubes

2003-02-11 Thread Jostein
When you buy extension tubes, you get a set of three, so your figures add up nicely...:-) My set of Chinon tubes cost me $25 a few years ago. Include Ricoh and all the 3rd party makes, and you add up with pretty decent odds for finding something second hand, in good shape, and cheap. Why do you

Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The information is here: http://www.pentax.com/docstore/index.cfm?show=6 Goto --Lenses--SMC FA Interchangeable Lenses (download the manual). The quote is on page 36 (I think). Still can't make it work. Got the direct URL, anyone? -- Mark Roberts

Re: Re: Mystery link

2003-02-11 Thread David Brooks
Begin Original Message From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:41:25 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mystery link Oh Oh.Do i have to go to the principles office for thisvbg David, No, no, I like it. (But you do have to go to the principal's office

Re: ?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Top_10_Worst_Clich=E9s?=

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
Don, Presumably it's OK to mention politics, guns and any other of the many irrelevant off-topic subjects that make up a very high proportion of the postings here. But when someone whose film cameras are 100% Pentax expresses a genuine on-topic opinion about photography you want to

Re: OT: Possible mobile phone virus

2003-02-11 Thread Keith Whaley
I totally disagree! Mike didn't have time to check it out, I did. Who knows how many hundreds of folks concern themselves about hoaxes like that, un-necessarily! What shall we do? not respond in any way, and all those folks out there keep worring about everytime they turn on their cell phone,

Re: How to beat a $8000 DSLR for $300

2003-02-11 Thread Timothy Sherburne
This doesn't mean that you have to use a digital camera, though. You could just as easily shoot with traditional film and provide them with scans that could still beat the quality you'd get from today's DSLR, even if they only keep 4MB. t On 2/11/03 8:33 AM, Herb Chong wrote: i just received

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! KT Minolta has already been selling the cameras of the similar concept Alpha KT Sweet II, Canon EOS Kiss III L and Pentax MZ-L. All these cameras are KT competitively priced yet with various features and automations. Thank you very much bg. Now my ZX-L (same as MZ-L or MZ-6) is an entry

Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven things up? ;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Doug Brewer
might as well trot these out again: http://www.alphoto.com/floral1.jpg http://www.alphoto.com/floral4.jpg Doug At 01:31 PM 2/11/03, Wendy wrote: Here's mine http://pug.komkon.org/02jul/tulip.html ---

Re: Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven thingsup? ;-)

2003-02-11 Thread David Brooks
Very nice, Doug(for colour) vbg Natural light i assume. Dave Begin Original Message From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:28:57 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven thingsup? ;-) might as well trot these out

Re: FS: Chrome battery door (four prong) for ESII

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
Ok, I'll bite. I have an ES-II how do I tell a 4 prong from 3 prong battery door. (It would be nice to have a spare since they look amazingly easy to lose). At 01:55 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: I purchased this on eBay just a few weeks ago as an extra for my ESII and somehow forgot that my

Re: John Daniele on Photo Net

2003-02-11 Thread Timothy Sherburne
Hi John... I'm new at darkroom work, too. There is a bewildering array of films, chems, papers, techniques and equipment that each alter your final image. Sorting it out can be a real chore. Probably the most helpful advise I've received is to focus on one of each and work from there. For

OT: Software fads (was Re: FAJ lenses what the heck???? (Was Most Unknown Pentax Lens)

2003-02-11 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Tuesday, February 11, 2003, 5:33:54 PM, you wrote: a crazy Pentax exec somewhere up the ladder who would single handedly and may I add single mindedly order to promote this new concept upwards across the whole lens range of Pentax ... Again, I hope I am wrong and Pentax is properly

Re: FS: Chrome battery door (four prong) for ESII

2003-02-11 Thread Joe Wilensky
Take off the battery door you have on your ESII -- if it has four prongs (two toward the front of the camera, two toward the rear) then you have the four-prong type. The other variation is three prongs, although I can't remember if the single-prong side points toward the front or rear of the

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread Carlos Royo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: I HOPE I AM WRONG!!! Typical 3rd party lens junk. I've a used SF-1 that came with an autofocus Tokina. Only after purchase did I realize that the lens had no aperture ring! Maybe FAJ stands for FA Junk lens. Some years

Re: K and M lenses are now obsolete!!! (was: FAJ lenses)

2003-02-11 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.2.11 0:10 PM, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! KT Minolta has already been selling the cameras of the similar concept Alpha KT Sweet II, Canon EOS Kiss III L and Pentax MZ-L. All these cameras are KT competitively priced yet with various features and automations. Thank

Re: Re: Slow list. How 'bout some flower photos to liven thingsup? ;-)

2003-02-11 Thread Doug Brewer
natural light, yup. thanks, Doug At 02:47 PM 2/11/03, you wrote: Very nice, Doug(for colour) vbg Natural light i assume. Dave

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