Re: OT Instagram

[Doug Brewer]

On 10/11/20 5:28 PM, Bob Pdml wrote:

I use Instagram. I post from my iPhone or iPad. When I shoot stuff on a proper 
camera I import into Lightroom on one of the devices, edit it a bit and save to 
the camera roll on the device, then I post from there into Instagram. Never 
tried it from a ‘proper’ computer.


This is what I do, minus the "edit it a bit."

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Re: OT Instagram

[Henk Terhell]

I have earlier done this trick also by using Chrome in developer mode, 
but for me it is much easier to resize pictures when uploading from the 
phone using a cloud storage as onedrive.


Henk

Op 2020-10-12 om 16:08 schreef Mark Roberts:

Toine wrote:


Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
(they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
or mac!

You can easily upload to Instagram from a desktop computer by using
either Chrome or Opera and switching into Developer Mode. (I use Opera
and the menu access is Menu > Developer > Developer Tools, then pick a
phone to emulate.)

The trick is to format your images to one of the three accepted sizes:
square 1080px x 1080px, panoramic 1080px x 608px, or 8x10 1080px x
1350px.
  



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Re: OT Instagram

[Mark Roberts]

Toine wrote:

>Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
>as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
>(they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
>To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
>or mac!

You can easily upload to Instagram from a desktop computer by using
either Chrome or Opera and switching into Developer Mode. (I use Opera
and the menu access is Menu > Developer > Developer Tools, then pick a
phone to emulate.)

The trick is to format your images to one of the three accepted sizes:
square 1080px x 1080px, panoramic 1080px x 608px, or 8x10 1080px x
1350px.
 
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Re: OT Instagram

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I use Instagram, because I hate using FarceBook.  I use Instagram almost
exclusively for images I take with my iPhone that I want to share with
friends, so I use the Instagram app on my iPhone and click the button that
says share to Facebook.

It is not easy to post to Instagram from  Mac or PC, but it can be done.  I
have done it, so one does not have to be a computer genius.  The simplest
way on a Mac is to Air Drop the image from your Mac to your iPhone.  A few
better ways are shown below:

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-post-to-instagram-from-pc-or-mac-tricky-workaround/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2018/08/30/how-to-post-on-instagram-from-pc/#2edd740c516a
https://blog.sharelov.com/how-to-post-on-instagram-from-pc-mac/

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 5:14 PM Toine  wrote:

> Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
> as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
> (they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
> To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
> or mac!
> Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past
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Re: OT Instagram

[John]

I don't use it, but according to Wikipedia there's a desktop "app" (presumably 
for Apple OS) and a Windows 10 desktop app.


I also found this from Google: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e633jE45jvM

And at a guess, I expect you can post to Instagram from Facebook (something else 
I don't use, so it's only a guess).



On 10/11/2020 17:13:25, Toine wrote:

Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
(they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
or mac!
Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past




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Re: OT Instagram

[Toine]

Ok thanks. uploading with OneDrive works ok. Cropping of IG is a real annoyance.

My ID G name is repiuk.nl

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 04:58, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
>
> > On Oct 11, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Toine  wrote:
> >
> > Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
>
> Thanks for the reminder, I try to post my best stuff there, and have 
> forgotten.
>
> I’m redforestphoto there
>
> > as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
> > (they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
> > To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
> > or mac!
> > Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past
>
> that’s not their focus.  I’ve seen some things about it being possible now.  
> I installed flume on my mac to do so
> https://flumeapp.com/
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Re: OT Instagram

[Larry Colen]

> On Oct 11, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram

Thanks for the reminder, I try to post my best stuff there, and have forgotten.

I’m redforestphoto there

> as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
> (they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
> To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
> or mac!
> Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past

that’s not their focus.  I’ve seen some things about it being possible now.  I 
installed flume on my mac to do so
https://flumeapp.com/


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Re: OT Instagram

[Bruce Walker]

Toine, the lack of Real Computer posting was an intentional design
decision the Instagram designers made ages ago. At the time Twitter
was the big up and coming deal and the Instagram guys decided to
create something similar for images that would promote spontaneity and
casualness. They really wanted folks to share snaps from their mobile
devices pretty much live, like shots of your lunch or the concert
you're attending. The concept of enabling professional photographers
to join in was not on their radar.

So you'll find that the only legal way to post shots is via a mobile
device, and what's worse, if the EXIF contains a date older than a few
days it won't even show you the image to post it. They initially
enforced a square crop on all shots to fit in with some tight-assed UI
design aesthetic but eventually relented and relaxed that to include
up to 8x10 (4:5 ratio) in portrait, and even wider in landscape.

What I do is to export images from Lightroom on my iMac stripping the
EXIF (specifically: no date), and adding white bars to the image to
letterbox it if it's a narrower portrait than 8x10 format. IG will
happily accept reasonably wide landscape formats. Then I send the
images to my iPad through AirDrop, and post from the IG app on the
iPad. 1600px in the longest dimension seems to work okay for
resolution.

My IG profile is @bruce.walker

BTW, there are applications around that claim to allow posting
directly from a desktop but Instagram always thwarts these eventually
by changing their protocol. I used to use a Lightroom plugin called
Lr/Instagram but it broke completely last year and the developer
hasn't managed to fix it since. Some folks run the native Instagram
app in a browser developer window; I can't be bothered to go to those
lengths.

Cheers!


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> as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
> (they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
> To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
> or mac!
> Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past
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Re: OT Instagram

[Henk Terhell]

Toine, I do use instagram besides Flickr for easier showing some of my 
pictures to friends and family not having a Flickr account.

My username there is henkterhell.
What I figured out by trial and error is  that you can have a map with 
your photo's in e.g. microsoft onedrive on your PC, that is shared on 
your phone. from where you can then upload to instagram.


The format of instagram is a limiting factor so you can't upload wide 
format pics.


Henk

Op 2020-10-11 om 23:13 schreef Toine:

Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
(they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
or mac!
Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past



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Re: OT Instagram

[Bob Pdml]

I use Instagram. I post from my iPhone or iPad. When I shoot stuff on a proper 
camera I import into Lightroom on one of the devices, edit it a bit and save to 
the camera roll on the device, then I post from there into Instagram. Never 
tried it from a ‘proper’ computer. 

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> Anybody using instagram? It's very popular so I heard. I remember Instagram
> as a lomography retro vintage style app with a very silly and ugly icon
> (they changed that). Since it is focused on photography I started using it.
> To my surprise and an hour or so wasted: you can't upload from a desktop pc
> or mac!
> Thats nuts! Or they think a real camera is something of the past
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Re: OT: Instagram images

[Steve Cottrell]

On 1/5/20, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>*Some professional photographers are switching their Instagram accounts to
>private after a court ruling.* A judge ruled media companies could embed
>their Instagram posts in their articles without paying to use their work
>aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYnV6emZlZWRuZXdzLmNvb
>S9hcnRpY2xlL2thdGVidWJhY3ovcHJvZmVzc2
>lvbmFsLXBob3RvZ3JhcGhlcnMtaW5zdGFncmFtLXByaXZhdGU/
>5ba8969a24c17c423a61beabBeee786d7>

Seems to me the answer for professional photographers is to clearly *not* post 
any saleable images through Instagram or have watermarks on the image. or not 
use the platform for saleable images - maybe a single lo-res image to drive 
traffic? If a photog earning money from his/her pics is using Insta as the sole 
output mechanism, then they probably deserve everything they get!




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Re: OT: Instagram

[P. J. Alling]

The length of time a non-compete agreement lasts depends on how high you 
are in a company.  A key man, (could be a woman), say a founder with 
intimate knowledge of the workings of a proprietary system, or important 
contacts in the case of a sales oriented company,  could have a much 
longer period of time than a year.


Of course depending on the legal jurisdiction that clause might not be 
worth the paper it's printed on.  In Connecticut, it's a dead letter the 
moment it gets to court.  Getting to court could still be a costly and 
involved procedure depending on the exact wording of the clause.



On 9/26/2018 10:31 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Non-compete contract clauses are usually only for a year or two. You
couldn't enforce one beyond that as employment lawyers would
successfully show they impair the executive's ability to make a
living.

Now, maybe they had stock options that vested over 5 or 6 years.
That's kind of long too (3 years is usual) but possible considering
the amount of money involved.

Neither of these were mentioned in the tech press though.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:16 AM P. J. Alling
 wrote:

Most developers are independent types, they more or less began the high
movement low loyalty workplace.  Mainly because they're smart enough to
realize that most employers care less about them than they do about the
furniture.  Zuckerberg, seems to be loyal to his friends, at least while
they're valuable to him, but would treat the rest of his employees with
a certain level of contempt.  They probably had contracts, that
guaranteed them employment and pay for a number of years, that kept them
from competing in their chosen field of endeavor,  which are now up, and
they left as soon as they legally could.

On 9/25/2018 1:54 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I'm surprised they lasted 6 years at FB. Entrepreneurial types are
generally allergic to large corporations, and dealing with FB
"optimizing" the app in order to clobber the competition, Snapchat,
and fine tuning the thing to maximize ad revenue at the expense of it
being, well, actually interesting, would frustrate anyone.

Personally I doubt those two will ever produce anything really money
making again. I think they just got lucky with Instagram. They will
pour lots of dough into multiple startups and watch each fizzle. It
will take a few lifetimes to blow though the 1 billion they received
though, so I'm sure they'll have fun doing it.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The creators of Instagram apparently are unhappy with the way Facebook is
handling the app.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96699/why-instagram-founders-are-leaving-facebook-owned-app
?

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:30 PM Mark Roberts 
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Paul Stenquist wrote:


Facebook without words.

That sounds pretty good, actually.

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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bruce Walker]

Non-compete contract clauses are usually only for a year or two. You
couldn't enforce one beyond that as employment lawyers would
successfully show they impair the executive's ability to make a
living.

Now, maybe they had stock options that vested over 5 or 6 years.
That's kind of long too (3 years is usual) but possible considering
the amount of money involved.

Neither of these were mentioned in the tech press though.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:16 AM P. J. Alling
 wrote:
>
> Most developers are independent types, they more or less began the high
> movement low loyalty workplace.  Mainly because they're smart enough to
> realize that most employers care less about them than they do about the
> furniture.  Zuckerberg, seems to be loyal to his friends, at least while
> they're valuable to him, but would treat the rest of his employees with
> a certain level of contempt.  They probably had contracts, that
> guaranteed them employment and pay for a number of years, that kept them
> from competing in their chosen field of endeavor,  which are now up, and
> they left as soon as they legally could.
>
> On 9/25/2018 1:54 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> > I'm surprised they lasted 6 years at FB. Entrepreneurial types are
> > generally allergic to large corporations, and dealing with FB
> > "optimizing" the app in order to clobber the competition, Snapchat,
> > and fine tuning the thing to maximize ad revenue at the expense of it
> > being, well, actually interesting, would frustrate anyone.
> >
> > Personally I doubt those two will ever produce anything really money
> > making again. I think they just got lucky with Instagram. They will
> > pour lots of dough into multiple startups and watch each fizzle. It
> > will take a few lifetimes to blow though the 1 billion they received
> > though, so I'm sure they'll have fun doing it.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola  
> > wrote:
> >> The creators of Instagram apparently are unhappy with the way Facebook is
> >> handling the app.
> >> http://www.theweek.co.uk/96699/why-instagram-founders-are-leaving-facebook-owned-app
> >> ?
> >>
> >> Dan Matyola
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:30 PM Mark Roberts 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >>>
>  Facebook without words.
> >>> That sounds pretty good, actually.
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Re: OT: Instagram

[P. J. Alling]

Most developers are independent types, they more or less began the high 
movement low loyalty workplace.  Mainly because they're smart enough to 
realize that most employers care less about them than they do about the 
furniture.  Zuckerberg, seems to be loyal to his friends, at least while 
they're valuable to him, but would treat the rest of his employees with 
a certain level of contempt.  They probably had contracts, that 
guaranteed them employment and pay for a number of years, that kept them 
from competing in their chosen field of endeavor,  which are now up, and 
they left as soon as they legally could.


On 9/25/2018 1:54 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I'm surprised they lasted 6 years at FB. Entrepreneurial types are
generally allergic to large corporations, and dealing with FB
"optimizing" the app in order to clobber the competition, Snapchat,
and fine tuning the thing to maximize ad revenue at the expense of it
being, well, actually interesting, would frustrate anyone.

Personally I doubt those two will ever produce anything really money
making again. I think they just got lucky with Instagram. They will
pour lots of dough into multiple startups and watch each fizzle. It
will take a few lifetimes to blow though the 1 billion they received
though, so I'm sure they'll have fun doing it.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The creators of Instagram apparently are unhappy with the way Facebook is
handling the app.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96699/why-instagram-founders-are-leaving-facebook-owned-app
?

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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Paul Stenquist wrote:


Facebook without words.

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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bob W-PDML]

We have a lot to learn from the Romans and Greeks, but perhaps their farm 
breeding techniques were a little wayward at times...

I do wonder about the process of commissioning such a work, though.



> On 25 Sep 2018, at 01:22, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> At least it was classically inspired...
> 
> 
>> On 9/24/2018 4:55 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous disposition, 
>> and those at work or among family, may not wish to see this):
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n02.jpg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 24 Sep 2018, at 21:26, Stanley Halpin 
>> mailto:s...@stans-photography.info>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the “cleaned up” version hides your true character. The original is 
>> a much better portrait of you IMNSHO.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Bob W-PDML 
>> mailto:p...@web-options.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
>> selfie to demonstrate.
>> 
>> This is the original:
>> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ
>> 
>> This the Instagrammed version:
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Daniel J. Matyola]

" Entrepreneurial types are generally allergic to large corporations"

Technical types even more so -- like the Woz.

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> I'm surprised they lasted 6 years at FB. Entrepreneurial types are
> generally allergic to large corporations, and dealing with FB
> "optimizing" the app in order to clobber the competition, Snapchat,
> and fine tuning the thing to maximize ad revenue at the expense of it
> being, well, actually interesting, would frustrate anyone.
>
> Personally I doubt those two will ever produce anything really money
> making again. I think they just got lucky with Instagram. They will
> pour lots of dough into multiple startups and watch each fizzle. It
> will take a few lifetimes to blow though the 1 billion they received
> though, so I'm sure they'll have fun doing it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > The creators of Instagram apparently are unhappy with the way Facebook is
> > handling the app.
> >
> http://www.theweek.co.uk/96699/why-instagram-founders-are-leaving-facebook-owned-app
> > ?
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:30 PM Mark Roberts  >
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> > > Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > >
> > > >Facebook without words.
> > >
> > > That sounds pretty good, actually.
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bruce Walker]

I'm surprised they lasted 6 years at FB. Entrepreneurial types are
generally allergic to large corporations, and dealing with FB
"optimizing" the app in order to clobber the competition, Snapchat,
and fine tuning the thing to maximize ad revenue at the expense of it
being, well, actually interesting, would frustrate anyone.

Personally I doubt those two will ever produce anything really money
making again. I think they just got lucky with Instagram. They will
pour lots of dough into multiple startups and watch each fizzle. It
will take a few lifetimes to blow though the 1 billion they received
though, so I'm sure they'll have fun doing it.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>
> The creators of Instagram apparently are unhappy with the way Facebook is
> handling the app.
> http://www.theweek.co.uk/96699/why-instagram-founders-are-leaving-facebook-owned-app
> ?
>
> Dan Matyola
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>
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 8:30 PM Mark Roberts 
> wrote:
>
> > Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >
> > >Facebook without words.
> >
> > That sounds pretty good, actually.
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The creators of Instagram apparently are unhappy with the way Facebook is
handling the app.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/96699/why-instagram-founders-are-leaving-facebook-owned-app
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Re: OT: Instagram

[John]

The "old goat" obviously.

On 9/24/2018 18:27, mike wilson wrote:

Which one is you?


On 24 September 2018 at 21:55 Bob W-PDML  wrote:


Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous disposition, and 
those at work or among family, may not wish to see this):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n02.jpg



On 24 Sep 2018, at 21:26, Stanley Halpin 
mailto:s...@stans-photography.info>> wrote:

I think the “cleaned up” version hides your true character. The original is a 
much better portrait of you IMNSHO.

stan

On Sep 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Bob W-PDML 
mailto:p...@web-options.com>> wrote:

It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
selfie to demonstrate.

This is the original:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ

This the Instagrammed version:
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Re: OT: Instagram

[mike wilson]

> On 24 September 2018 at 23:58 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 24/9/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous
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> 
> 
> 
> You're the goat, right?

We know he's a GOAT.

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Re: OT: Instagram

[P. J. Alling]

At least it was classically inspired...


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Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous disposition, and 
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n02.jpg



On 24 Sep 2018, at 21:26, Stanley Halpin 
mailto:s...@stans-photography.info>> wrote:

I think the “cleaned up” version hides your true character. The original is a 
much better portrait of you IMNSHO.

stan

On Sep 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Bob W-PDML 
mailto:p...@web-options.com>> wrote:

It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
selfie to demonstrate.

This is the original:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ

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Re: OT: Instagram

[Steve Cottrell]

On 24/9/18, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous
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You're the goat, right?



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Re: OT: Instagram

[mike wilson]

Which one is you?

> On 24 September 2018 at 21:55 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous disposition, and 
> those at work or among family, may not wish to see this):
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n02.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> On 24 Sep 2018, at 21:26, Stanley Halpin 
> mailto:s...@stans-photography.info>> wrote:
> 
> I think the “cleaned up” version hides your true character. The original is a 
> much better portrait of you IMNSHO.
> 
> stan
> 
> On Sep 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Bob W-PDML 
> mailto:p...@web-options.com>> wrote:
> 
> It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
> selfie to demonstrate.
> 
> This is the original:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ
> 
> This the Instagrammed version:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRKk-cLVDeRmw8wxQ

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[Bob W-PDML]

Nah. This is my true character (warning, people of a nervous disposition, and 
those at work or among family, may not wish to see this):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Pan_goat_MAN_Napoli_Inv27709_n02.jpg



On 24 Sep 2018, at 21:26, Stanley Halpin 
mailto:s...@stans-photography.info>> wrote:

I think the “cleaned up” version hides your true character. The original is a 
much better portrait of you IMNSHO.

stan

On Sep 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Bob W-PDML 
mailto:p...@web-options.com>> wrote:

It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
selfie to demonstrate.

This is the original:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ

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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bob W-PDML]

I follow Magnum, among a few other things, on Instagram. There's a fantastic 
variety of new and old photos every day. Some very interesting ones today about 
a dam building project on the Euphrates.

> On 24 Sep 2018, at 17:08, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
>> Who gives a rat's patootie what Instagram "encourages"? I do what I want, 
>> and if I can't display it on Instagram, well, I won't use Instagram... :-)
> 
> Exactly. Dario Bonazza, for example uses Instagram and I enjoy his
> work there. I follow him and Doug Brewer and a few other people whose
> work I enjoy.
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Stanley Halpin]

I think the “cleaned up” version hides your true character. The original is a 
much better portrait of you IMNSHO.

stan

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
> selfie to demonstrate.
> 
> This is the original:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ
> 
> This the Instagrammed version:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRKk-cLVDeRmw8wxQ
> 
> 


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Re: OT: Instagram

[Dale H. Cook]

At 12:08 PM 9/24/2018, Mark Roberts wrote:

>Dario Bonazza, for example uses Instagram and I enjoy his work there. I follow 
>him and Doug Brewer and a few other people whose work I enjoy.

I am trying to keep things simple and stupid here. I am nearly done clearing 
space so I can have a permanent tabletop photography studio. I will be able to 
leave my box lights, background screen, and tabletop (actually a Workmate 
draped to match the screen) set up with a spare tripod so all I have to add is 
the camera. Once I start making beauty shots of my antique electronics 
collection some of the hi-rez images will get posted on a special set of pages 
in my domain with links posted here. I see no sense in trying to cope with 
Instragram, Flickr, or anywhere else when I have plenty of unused capacity in 
my own domain. I may not create the world's flashiest web pages, but my domain 
has always been more concerned with content than appearance.

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Re: OT: Instagram

[John]

Yeah. It cut off your head too.

On 9/23/2018 16:18, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is quite enlightening.  

Obviously, Instagram decided my heat was a blemish and cropped it out.
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On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 4:05 PM Bob W-PDML  wrote:


It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a
selfie to demonstrate.

This is the original:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ

This the Instagrammed version:
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

>Who gives a rat's patootie what Instagram "encourages"? I do what I want, and 
>if I can't display it on Instagram, well, I won't use Instagram... :-)

Exactly. Dario Bonazza, for example uses Instagram and I enjoy his
work there. I follow him and Doug Brewer and a few other people whose
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bruce Walker]

The encouragement is not so much from "Instagram the app" -- into
which you can toss whatever you darned well please -- but "Instagram
the marketing vehicle and popularity contest".

It is touted by enthusiasts as a way to get your work noticed (and so
make yourself more marketable), but to do that you find you have to
create work that is popular on IG, and that leads to a silly circular
feedback loop with everyone producing the same muck.

If you just want to share your work conveniently with a few friends
and family, it works just fine for that.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:04 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> Who gives a rat's patootie what Instagram "encourages"? I do what I want, and 
> if I can't display it on Instagram, well, I won't use Instagram... :-)
>
> G
> —
> No matter where you go, you'll piss off the idiots if you tell them they're 
> idiots.
>
> > On Sep 24, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> >
> > uh huh
> >
> >> On 9/23/18 8:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> >> Since Instagram encourages a tedious homogeneity of heavily tinted and
> >> HDR'ed landscapes and portraits with out-of-focus faery lights, if
> >> nobody on Instagram is digging your work, you are likely on the right
> >> track. :-)
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Who gives a rat's patootie what Instagram "encourages"? I do what I want, and 
if I can't display it on Instagram, well, I won't use Instagram... :-)

G
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> On Sep 24, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> uh huh
> 
>> On 9/23/18 8:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> Since Instagram encourages a tedious homogeneity of heavily tinted and
>> HDR'ed landscapes and portraits with out-of-focus faery lights, if
>> nobody on Instagram is digging your work, you are likely on the right
>> track. :-)
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Doug Brewer]

uh huh

On 9/23/18 8:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Since Instagram encourages a tedious homogeneity of heavily tinted and
HDR'ed landscapes and portraits with out-of-focus faery lights, if
nobody on Instagram is digging your work, you are likely on the right
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Re: OT: Instagram

[David J Brooks]

I dont have a data plan so i guess i'm not instant with my grams.

Dave

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 12:11 AM, P. J. Alling
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> I don't think age has that much to do with it.  It's just that we all have
> better taste.
>
>
> On 9/23/2018 7:39 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> We're all too old for Instagram.
>>
>> Apparently.
>>
>>
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Re: OT: Instagram

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think age has that much to do with it.  It's just that we all 
have better taste.



On 9/23/2018 7:39 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

We're all too old for Instagram.

Apparently.




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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bruce Walker]

Since Instagram encourages a tedious homogeneity of heavily tinted and
HDR'ed landscapes and portraits with out-of-focus faery lights, if
nobody on Instagram is digging your work, you are likely on the right
track. :-)

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 7:37 PM Doug Brewer  wrote:
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> Watching my new work tank so spectacularly is kind of awesome, though.
>
> On 9/23/18 3:08 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> > I post there, though I'm damned if I know why I bother. I dislike
> > pretty much everything about Instagram.
> >
> > If you use Lightroom, consider using the LR/Instagram plugin as it
> > eases a few of IG's annoyances. Most notably, it enables you to post
> > directly from Lightroom, and it solves the IG stupid arbitrary crops
> > by letterboxing.
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Facebook without words.

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Re: OT: Instagram

[Steve Cottrell]

We're all too old for Instagram.

Apparently.


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Re: OT: Instagram

[Doug Brewer]

Watching my new work tank so spectacularly is kind of awesome, though.

On 9/23/18 3:08 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I post there, though I'm damned if I know why I bother. I dislike
pretty much everything about Instagram.

If you use Lightroom, consider using the LR/Instagram plugin as it
eases a few of IG's annoyances. Most notably, it enables you to post
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is quite enlightening.  

Obviously, Instagram decided my heat was a blemish and cropped it out.
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On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 4:05 PM Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a
> selfie to demonstrate.
>
> This is the original:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ
>
> This the Instagrammed version:
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRKk-cLVDeRmw8wxQ
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It's quite good at detecting minor blemishes and tidying them up. I took a 
selfie to demonstrate.

This is the original:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtRNY5M6IZ1DivRInt4Osc1AyxjFmQ

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On 23 Sep 2018, at 19:48, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
mailto:godfreydigio...@me.com>> wrote:

I’ve been meaning to give it a try.

G

On Sep 23, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
mailto:danmaty...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does anyone here use Instagram for images?

I had never tried it.  At a recent meeting of tyhe Princeton Mac Users
Group, however, there was a presentation on saving and sharing images
through Instagram, so I though I would give it a try.  What appealed to me
was the apparently quick and easy way to take an iPhone image and upload it
quickly to FaceBook Through Instagram.

Las Sunday I was at the airport early in the morning helping to set up for
our charitable Motorcycle Ride and Fly event.  I noticed that I was casting
a macroscian shadow and snapped a quick image.  I then  uploaded the image
to both Instagram and Facebook using the Instagram app on my iPhone.  The
result was a disaster.

Here is the original image from my iPhone:
http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/shadow

Here is the image as posted on FaceBook via Instagram:
http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/headless-shadow

Notice any difference?

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Re: OT: Instagram

[Paul Stenquist]

Facebook without words.

Paul

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I post there, though I'm damned if I know why I bother. I dislike
> pretty much everything about Instagram.
> 
> If you use Lightroom, consider using the LR/Instagram plugin as it
> eases a few of IG's annoyances. Most notably, it enables you to post
> directly from Lightroom, and it solves the IG stupid arbitrary crops
> by letterboxing.
> 
> https://www.lrinstagram.com/
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 2:10 PM Daniel J. Matyola  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone here use Instagram for images?
>> 
>> I had never tried it.  At a recent meeting of tyhe Princeton Mac Users
>> Group, however, there was a presentation on saving and sharing images
>> through Instagram, so I though I would give it a try.  What appealed to me
>> was the apparently quick and easy way to take an iPhone image and upload it
>> quickly to FaceBook Through Instagram.
>> 
>> Las Sunday I was at the airport early in the morning helping to set up for
>> our charitable Motorcycle Ride and Fly event.  I noticed that I was casting
>> a macroscian shadow and snapped a quick image.  I then  uploaded the image
>> to both Instagram and Facebook using the Instagram app on my iPhone.  The
>> result was a disaster.
>> 
>> Here is the original image from my iPhone:
>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/shadow
>> 
>> Here is the image as posted on FaceBook via Instagram:
>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/headless-shadow
>> 
>> Notice any difference?
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Bruce Walker]

I post there, though I'm damned if I know why I bother. I dislike
pretty much everything about Instagram.

If you use Lightroom, consider using the LR/Instagram plugin as it
eases a few of IG's annoyances. Most notably, it enables you to post
directly from Lightroom, and it solves the IG stupid arbitrary crops
by letterboxing.

https://www.lrinstagram.com/


On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 2:10 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>
> Does anyone here use Instagram for images?
>
> I had never tried it.  At a recent meeting of tyhe Princeton Mac Users
> Group, however, there was a presentation on saving and sharing images
> through Instagram, so I though I would give it a try.  What appealed to me
> was the apparently quick and easy way to take an iPhone image and upload it
> quickly to FaceBook Through Instagram.
>
> Las Sunday I was at the airport early in the morning helping to set up for
> our charitable Motorcycle Ride and Fly event.  I noticed that I was casting
> a macroscian shadow and snapped a quick image.  I then  uploaded the image
> to both Instagram and Facebook using the Instagram app on my iPhone.  The
> result was a disaster.
>
> Here is the original image from my iPhone:
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/shadow
>
> Here is the image as posted on FaceBook via Instagram:
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/headless-shadow
>
> Notice any difference?
>
> Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I’ve been meaning to give it a try.  

G

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone here use Instagram for images?
> 
> I had never tried it.  At a recent meeting of tyhe Princeton Mac Users
> Group, however, there was a presentation on saving and sharing images
> through Instagram, so I though I would give it a try.  What appealed to me
> was the apparently quick and easy way to take an iPhone image and upload it
> quickly to FaceBook Through Instagram.
> 
> Las Sunday I was at the airport early in the morning helping to set up for
> our charitable Motorcycle Ride and Fly event.  I noticed that I was casting
> a macroscian shadow and snapped a quick image.  I then  uploaded the image
> to both Instagram and Facebook using the Instagram app on my iPhone.  The
> result was a disaster.
> 
> Here is the original image from my iPhone:
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/shadow
> 
> Here is the image as posted on FaceBook via Instagram:
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/headless-shadow
> 
> Notice any difference?
> 
> Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Doug.

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On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 2:23 PM Doug Brewer 
wrote:

> Yes. One is square and the other isn't. If you post using the default
> aspect ratio on IG, you get a square. If you want the rectangle, you
> have to touch the little angle bracket button on the bottom left of the
> selection screen.
>
> IG's rectangle is squat, though, so some vertical or horizontal shots
> won't fit. With a bit of practice, you can learn which images will work
> and which won't.
>
> On 9/23/18 2:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> > Does anyone here use Instagram for images?
> >
> > I had never tried it.  At a recent meeting of tyhe Princeton Mac Users
> > Group, however, there was a presentation on saving and sharing images
> > through Instagram, so I though I would give it a try.  What appealed to
> me
> > was the apparently quick and easy way to take an iPhone image and upload
> it
> > quickly to FaceBook Through Instagram.
> >
> > Las Sunday I was at the airport early in the morning helping to set up
> for
> > our charitable Motorcycle Ride and Fly event.  I noticed that I was
> casting
> > a macroscian shadow and snapped a quick image.  I then  uploaded the
> image
> > to both Instagram and Facebook using the Instagram app on my iPhone.  The
> > result was a disaster.
> >
> > Here is the original image from my iPhone:
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/shadow
> >
> > Here is the image as posted on FaceBook via Instagram:
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/headless-shadow
> >
> > Notice any difference?
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
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Re: OT: Instagram

[Doug Brewer]

Yes. One is square and the other isn't. If you post using the default 
aspect ratio on IG, you get a square. If you want the rectangle, you 
have to touch the little angle bracket button on the bottom left of the 
selection screen.


IG's rectangle is squat, though, so some vertical or horizontal shots 
won't fit. With a bit of practice, you can learn which images will work 
and which won't.


On 9/23/18 2:10 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Does anyone here use Instagram for images?

I had never tried it.  At a recent meeting of tyhe Princeton Mac Users
Group, however, there was a presentation on saving and sharing images
through Instagram, so I though I would give it a try.  What appealed to me
was the apparently quick and easy way to take an iPhone image and upload it
quickly to FaceBook Through Instagram.

Las Sunday I was at the airport early in the morning helping to set up for
our charitable Motorcycle Ride and Fly event.  I noticed that I was casting
a macroscian shadow and snapped a quick image.  I then  uploaded the image
to both Instagram and Facebook using the Instagram app on my iPhone.  The
result was a disaster.

Here is the original image from my iPhone:
http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/shadow

Here is the image as posted on FaceBook via Instagram:
http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/dans-pesos/2018/9/23/headless-shadow

Notice any difference?

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[Mark Roberts]

P.J. Alling wrote:

Instagram was never really hip. It was hiplike. Sort of like lifelike 
is to life.

Quite possibly one of the best PDML quotes ever.
 
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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[John]

You're right. That Nikleback parody on YouToob was funny, but other than
that, I don't care.

On 4/28/2014 8:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
worth a chuckle.

Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?

And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
million users do.

So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html



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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

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I guess I just became hip as I have been doing that for quite a long time.  

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 On Apr 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
 it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
 worth a chuckle.
 
 Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
 preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
 non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?
 
 And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
 images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
 million users do.
 
 So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.
 
 Heh! Unhip is the new hip.
 
 http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html
 
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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[steve harley]

on 2014-04-28 18:57 Bruce Walker wrote

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.


oh shit, my unhip gig is spoiled


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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[Ann Sanfedele]

Me too - but not on instagram.
ann

On 4/28/2014 22:26, Bruce wrote:

I guess I just became hip as I have been doing that for quite a long time.

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On Apr 28, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
worth a chuckle.

Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?

And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
million users do.

So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/04/whats-up-with-these-white-borders-on-instagram.html

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Re: OT - Instagram users fight the square

[P.J. Alling]

Instagram was never really hip.  It was hiplike.  Sort of like lifelike 
is to life.


On 4/28/2014 8:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Okay, like me you probably don't give a rat's ass about Instagram, but
it is a source of amusement from time to time. And this has gotta be
worth a chuckle.

Apparently, there's a movement that is letterboxing their shots to
preserve their original aspect ratio and uploading -- gasp! --
non-square images. Is this the new hip? Anti-hip?

And not only this, but these folks are espousing uploading unfiltered
images too. Ie, not mangled to look Polaroidesque like the other 50
million users do.

So uploading clean, unadorned, SooC images makes you stand out.

Heh! Unhip is the new hip.

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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Jens]

Communism has nothing to do with Instargram stealing (our) photographs.

As I understand it (Karl Marx) Communism is (just in theory - never existed in 
the real world) the kind of society, that is supposed to come after socialism. 
Socialism is supposed to start out with a dictatorship - the working mans 
dictatorship (proletarian dictatorship). 
Unfortunately history has shown, that this evolution - from socialism to 
communism  - will in fact never happen in the real world, due to the weakness 
of human nature; that is due to corruption, greed, hunger for power etc. 
Nations that tried socailsim never succeeded to reach a stage beyond the 
dictatorship!!! Very sad story. Just look at China, North Veitnam, Cuba, USSR 
etc.

So, human nature makes it possible for the individual to survive, mainly by 
putting ME first (before US or humanity). This way the individual may survive. 
For humanity to survive shurely something much better than selfishness is 
needed. In order to survive the climate changes, polution etc. surely something 
better than putting ME before US is needed. If not communism or socialism, 
maybe something much better, based on a philosphy, that can put US before ME! 
Or at least make US/humanity win in the long run.

Meanwhile I'll try to improve my photographic skills and equipment, while 
taking good care of my kids, whife and grandchildren and fellow man, not to 
mention our common Planet Earth. (I may start by getting the K-5IIs :-)

Mery Christmass to all and a very happy new year! 

Jens

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On Dec 18, 2012 23:27 knarftheria...@gmail.com
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 As I understand it communism is common ownership of the means of
 production.
 I'm not sure what that has to do with Instagram stealing photographs.
 
 Sadly, the term communism has been misused and abused more than just
 about any other word in the past century - including by those who
 purport to be communists (but clearly aren't).
 
 cheers,
 frank
 
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 From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com
 Sent: December 18, 2012 12/18/12
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...
 
  From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com
 
  Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to
  license
  all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
  including for advertising purposes, which would effectively
  transform
  the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.
 
  http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-ph
  otos
 
 Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate
 communism'.
 
 Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
 intellectual property theft.
 
 Tom C.
 
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RE: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Bob W]

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jens
 
 So, human nature makes it possible for the individual to survive,
 mainly by putting ME first (before US or humanity). This way the
 individual may survive.

that's not strictly correct. What seems to work best is enlightened
self-interest. This is the recognition that we all do better by cooperating
than we do by trying to maximise our own gains at the expense of others.
It's not a zero-sum game.

Where systems such as communism and laissez-faire capitalism fail is when we
forget that, and a small clique is able temporarily to run things for their
own benefit, at our expense.

B

 For humanity to survive shurely something much better than selfishness
 is needed. In order to survive the climate changes, polution etc.
 surely something better than putting ME before US is needed. If not
 communism or socialism, maybe something much better, based on a
 philosphy, that can put US before ME!
 Or at least make US/humanity win in the long run.
 
 Meanwhile I'll try to improve my photographic skills and equipment,
 while taking good care of my kids, whife and grandchildren and fellow
 man, not to mention our common Planet Earth. (I may start by getting
 the K-5IIs :-)
 
 Mery Christmass to all and a very happy new year!
 
 Jens
 
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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Stan Halpin]

On Dec 30, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Bob W wrote:

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jens
 
 So, human nature makes it possible for the individual to survive,
 mainly by putting ME first (before US or humanity). This way the
 individual may survive.
 
 that's not strictly correct. What seems to work best is enlightened
 self-interest. This is the recognition that we all do better by cooperating
 than we do by trying to maximise our own gains at the expense of others.
 It's not a zero-sum game.
 
 Where systems such as communism and laissez-faire capitalism fail is when we
 forget that, and a small clique is able temporarily to run things for their
 own benefit, at our expense.
 
 B

Note that the cliquers always seem to be able to rationalize that their own 
enrichment will in fact benefit all.

stan

 
 For humanity to survive shurely something much better than selfishness
 is needed. In order to survive the climate changes, polution etc.
 surely something better than putting ME before US is needed. If not
 communism or socialism, maybe something much better, based on a
 philosphy, that can put US before ME!
 Or at least make US/humanity win in the long run.
 
 Meanwhile I'll try to improve my photographic skills and equipment,
 while taking good care of my kids, whife and grandchildren and fellow
 man, not to mention our common Planet Earth. (I may start by getting
 the K-5IIs :-)
 
 Mery Christmass to all and a very happy new year!
 
 Jens
 
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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[John Sessoms]

From: Jens

Communism has nothing to do with Instargram stealing (our) photographs.


Communism as an epithet has little or nothing to do with any
socio-economic system. It's a coin that has been debased.

In Instagram's case what they're doing is actually corporate feudalism.
Our corporate overlords must have their seigneurial privileges from the
serfs.

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[Bob W]

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 Where systems such as communism and laissez-faire capitalism fail is
 when we forget that, and a small clique is able temporarily to run
 things for their own benefit, at our expense.
 

I've deleted an earlier reply to this about the cliques making
self-justifyingly specious claims such as what's good for X Corp is good
for the country, but here is a very interesting analysis which seems to
bear this out quite well:
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

 The argument for using the wealth distribution as a power indicator is
strengthened by studies showing that such distributions vary historically
and from country to country, depending upon the relative strength of rival
political parties and trade unions, with the United States having the most
highly concentrated wealth distribution of any Western democracy except
Switzerland. For example, in a study based on 18 Western democracies, strong
trade unions and successful social democratic parties correlated with
greater equality in the income distribution and a higher level of welfare
spending (Stephens, 1979). 

 Although overall income had grown by 27% since 1979, 33% of the gains went
to the top 1%. Meanwhile, the bottom 60% were making less: about 95 cents
for each dollar they made in 1979. The next 20% - those between the 60th and
80th rungs of the income ladder -- made $1.02 for each dollar they earned in
1979. Furthermore, Johnston concludes that only the top 5% made significant
gains ($1.53 for each 1979 dollar). 

 Next we study how that power operates, which is what most articles on this
site are about. Furthermore, if the top 20% have 84% of the wealth (and
recall that 10% have 85% to 90% of the stocks, bonds, trust funds, and
business equity), that means that the United States is a power pyramid. It's
tough for the bottom 80% -- maybe even the bottom 90% -- to get organized
and exercise much power. 


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[Eactivist]

Bingo!

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

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there is a world of difference between choosing  close contact with others,
and having others following you without your  knowledge or permission.

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[Christine Aguila]

Deleted my Instagram account, but I only had one photo on it.  I haven't had 
the app on my phone for some time.  Just didn't hold my interest, so no real 
big protest on my part.  The recent events reminded me I, indeed, did have one 
photo posted to my account.  All gone now.  Cheers, Christine




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 Bingo!
 
 Marnie aka Doe ;-)
 
 In a  message dated 12/19/2012 11:51:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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 and having others following you without your  knowledge or permission.
 
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[John Sessoms]

From: Doug Franklin

On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:

In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of personal
privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and trampled
upon)?  I understand privacy can be invaded in any number of ways, but
never in human history have major portions of populations, via
technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track them, including
their whereabouts, contacts, purchases, transactions, etc.


If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
privacy.  The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to the
living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much about
it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a privilege, a
circumstance, or a symptom.


I would argue that it dates back at least into the 17th Century. The
writings of the Enlightenment philosophers  scientists clearly had
profound effect upon the founding fathers and are reflected in the
Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The right to privacy is implicit in the 3rd  4th Amendments and to a
lesser extent in the 5th  6th.

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[Gerrit Visser]

A wonderful yet terrifying example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/malte_spitz_your_phone_company_is_watching.html 

Gerrit

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On 2012-12-18 23:53, Tom C wrote:
 When I wrote clandestinely track them, I meant the ability to, or to 
 back-trace an individual, were the desire to do so arise.

If you're on the internet, or have a cell phone, you're almost certainly
trackable.  Almost because you can do those things and remain untrackable,
but it takes a significant amount of effort.

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[Eactivist]

Practically every cell phone can be tracked as  to location, even those 
without GPS. I've always found that a bit scary,  actually. (I have a very 
basic flip phone and very basic service.)

You  know, 1984, Big Brother and all that. But don't listen to me I put 
masking tape  over the web cam on my laptop. 

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

In a message  dated 12/19/2012 10:01:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
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A wonderful yet terrifying  example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/malte_spitz_your_phone_company_is_watching.html  

Gerrit

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On 2012-12-18 23:53, Tom C  wrote:
 When I wrote clandestinely track them, I meant the ability to,  or to 
 back-trace an individual, were the desire to do so  arise.

If you're on the internet, or have a cell phone, you're almost  certainly
trackable.  Almost because you can do those things and  remain 
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his Facebook account, scanned all the entries there and built a 
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On December 19, 2012 7:43:53 AM Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org wrote:

On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:

 In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
 referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of personal
 privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and trampled
 upon)?  I understand privacy can be invaded in any number of ways, but
 never in human history have major portions of populations, via
 technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track them, including
 their whereabouts, contacts, purchases, transactions, etc.

If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
privacy.  The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to the
living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much about
it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a privilege, a
circumstance, or a symptom.

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[Boris Liberman]

John, I am sorry to burst your bubble, but if you look deep enough at 
any modern bureaucratic society, you will inevitably find certain signs 
of what you said in the quote below...


I do suggest to take further exchange on the matter of the list.


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On December 19, 2012 8:49:10 AM John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: Doug Franklin
 On 2012-12-18 22:17, John Sessoms wrote:
 The essential difference between Fascism  Communism is that under
 Fascism the government tells the people what to do and under Communism
 the people are told what to do by the government.

 I've long been under the impression that, at least as practiced by the
 Germans and Italians in the 1920s-1940s, the difference was that fascism
 was based on (allegedly) what's good for the peasant folk versus
 communism's (allegedly) what's good for everyone, in both cases, as
 judged by the powers that be.

Soviet style Marxist-Leninist communism was what's good for the
proletariat - supposedly the workers.

Russia had several different flavors of communists after the revolution.
Eventually the Bolsheviks won out and killed off all the others.

In action, both systems created a new governing class made up of the
party faithful to serve the interests of the peasant-folk/workers. And
for some reason the interests of the peasant-folk/workers was almost
always what most benefited the new governing class.

Whatever the differences in the guiding philosophical principles of
Fascism  Communism, when viewed from the lower social strata looking
up, they appear remarkably similar.

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 I was very
 heavily scratching my head from within as I was listening to him...

you must have really big nostrils

B

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 note 2 phablet. It was so cool, he said - it automatically connected to
 his Facebook account, scanned all the entries there and built a
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 On December 19, 2012 7:43:53 AM Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org
 wrote:
  On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:
 
   In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
   referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of
   personal privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and
   trampled upon)?  I understand privacy can be invaded in any number
   of ways, but never in human history have major portions of
   populations, via technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track
   them, including their whereabouts, contacts, purchases,
 transactions, etc.
 
  If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
  privacy.  The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
  fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to
  the living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much
  about it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a
 privilege,
  a circumstance, or a symptom.
 
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[Boris Liberman]

The caveat here that if you're grown up enough you can agree to limit 
some of your privacy by choosing to sign an agreement. Now if the 
'good' that may come to you is attractive enough (e.g. you won't be 
facebook-less outcast) you will sign it anyway. And since the state has 
so much to gain from 'partnering' with  facebook, they won't 
interfere... And so you will soon enough arrive at things such as 
instagram mishap.


By the way it occurs to me that if instagram really decided to be truly 
communistic, it would say something like this - by uploading your pics 
to us you give up all the rights - we can use them as we please, but in 
return you can use pictures of any other user for any purpose 
whatsoever. Of course that's not gonna happen, ever.



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On December 19, 2012 3:08:21 PM John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: Doug Franklin
 On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:
 In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
 referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of personal
 privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and trampled
 upon)?  I understand privacy can be invaded in any number of ways, but
 never in human history have major portions of populations, via
 technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track them, including
 their whereabouts, contacts, purchases, transactions, etc.

 If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
 privacy.  The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
 fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to the
 living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much about
 it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a privilege, a
 circumstance, or a symptom.

I would argue that it dates back at least into the 17th Century. The
writings of the Enlightenment philosophers  scientists clearly had
profound effect upon the founding fathers and are reflected in the
Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The right to privacy is implicit in the 3rd  4th Amendments and to a
lesser extent in the 5th  6th.

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Naturally. It is caused by the size of my glasses...


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On December 19, 2012 9:36:16 PM Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 I was very
 heavily scratching my head from within as I was listening to him...

you must have really big nostrils

B

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 On December 19, 2012 7:43:53 AM Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org
 wrote:
  On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:
 
   In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
   referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of
   personal privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and
   trampled upon)?  I understand privacy can be invaded in any number
   of ways, but never in human history have major portions of
   populations, via technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track
   them, including their whereabouts, contacts, purchases,
 transactions, etc.
 
  If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
  privacy.  The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
  fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to
  the living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much
  about it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a
 privilege,
  a circumstance, or a symptom.
 
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[P. J. Alling]

That's true communism, however every communist system bigger than a 
shaker community that has been tried is actually a form of fascism, 
whereby all property and all citizens belong to the state. The rest is 
just window dressing.


On 12/19/2012 2:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
The caveat here that if you're grown up enough you can agree to limit 
some of your privacy by choosing to sign an agreement. Now if the 
'good' that may come to you is attractive enough (e.g. you won't be 
facebook-less outcast) you will sign it anyway. And since the state 
has so much to gain from 'partnering' with facebook, they won't 
interfere... And so you will soon enough arrive at things such as 
instagram mishap.


By the way it occurs to me that if instagram really decided to be 
truly communistic, it would say something like this - by uploading 
your pics to us you give up all the rights - we can use them as we 
please, but in return you can use pictures of any other user for any 
purpose whatsoever. Of course that's not gonna happen, ever.



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On December 19, 2012 3:08:21 PM John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com 
wrote:

From: Doug Franklin
 On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:
 In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
 referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of personal
 privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and trampled
 upon)? I understand privacy can be invaded in any number of ways, but
 never in human history have major portions of populations, via
 technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track them, including
 their whereabouts, contacts, purchases, transactions, etc.

 If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
 privacy. The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
 fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to 
the

 living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much about
 it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a privilege, a
 circumstance, or a symptom.

I would argue that it dates back at least into the 17th Century. The
writings of the Enlightenment philosophers  scientists clearly had
profound effect upon the founding fathers and are reflected in the
Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The right to privacy is implicit in the 3rd  4th Amendments and to a
lesser extent in the 5th  6th.

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[John Sessoms]

The tracking doesn't seem to work that well if your phone is old enough. 
I've got an old Motorola W315 and every time I've had to call 911 from 
my mobile I have to tell them where I am because I don't show up in 
their system. I don't think they can track my location in real time.


They might be able get Verizon to check their databases  calculate a 
location at any given time my cell phone has two or more towers in 
sight, but based on the way my service has gone downhill since Verizon 
acquired Alltel, I'm guessing that doesn't happen all that often any more.


How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service from 
one tower?


From: Eactivist

Practically every cell phone can be tracked as to location, even
those without GPS. I've always found that a bit scary, actually. (I
have a very basic flip phone and very basic service.)

You know, 1984, Big Brother and all that. But don't listen to me I put masking 
tape over the web cam on my laptop.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

In a message dated 12/19/2012 10:01:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
gerrit...@gmail.com writes:
A wonderful yet terrifying example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/malte_spitz_your_phone_company_is_watching.html

Gerrit

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On 2012-12-18 23:53, Tom C wrote:

When I wrote clandestinely track them, I meant the ability to,  or to
back-trace an individual, were the desire to do so  arise.


If you're on the internet, or have a cell phone, you're almost  certainly
trackable.  Almost because you can do those things and  remain
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[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service from one
 tower?

At least conceivably, beamforming antenna arrays at the tower (for
azimuth), and round-trip signal delay (for the range).

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[Paul Stenquist]

It would be good if someone kept track of where I am in case I forget.

Paul
On Dec 19, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service from one
 tower?
 
 At least conceivably, beamforming antenna arrays at the tower (for
 azimuth), and round-trip signal delay (for the range).
 
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[John Sessoms]

From: Boris Liberman

John, I am sorry to burst your bubble, but if you look deep enough at
any modern bureaucratic society, you will inevitably find certain signs
of what you said in the quote below...



No bubble. That's where I was headed anyway ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q



On December 19, 2012 8:49:10 AM John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

From: Doug Franklin

On 2012-12-18 22:17, John Sessoms wrote:

The essential difference between Fascism  Communism is that under
Fascism the government tells the people what to do and under Communism
the people are told what to do by the government.


I've long been under the impression that, at least as practiced by the
Germans and Italians in the 1920s-1940s, the difference was that fascism
was based on (allegedly) what's good for the peasant folk versus
communism's (allegedly) what's good for everyone, in both cases, as
judged by the powers that be.


Soviet style Marxist-Leninist communism was what's good for the
proletariat - supposedly the workers.

Russia had several different flavors of communists after the revolution.
Eventually the Bolsheviks won out and killed off all the others.

In action, both systems created a new governing class made up of the
party faithful to serve the interests of the peasant-folk/workers. And
for some reason the interests of the peasant-folk/workers was almost
always what most benefited the new governing class.

Whatever the differences in the guiding philosophical principles of
Fascism  Communism, when viewed from the lower social strata looking
up, they appear remarkably similar.



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[John Sessoms]

Right, cell phone tracking is not all pervasive nor always entirely evil.

If I dial 911, I *want* them to know where I am ... just not enough
replace a telephone that already works.

From: Paul Stenquist

It would be good if someone kept track of where I am in case I forget.

Paul
On Dec 19, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service from one
tower?


At least conceivably, beamforming antenna arrays at the tower (for
azimuth), and round-trip signal delay (for the range).



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[Gerrit Visser]

Cell phone tracking is entirely all invasive. The police can request from
your provider, without your knowledge, all cell tower data for months at a
time plus all your CDR's. I have seen the clear-text trouble tickets! An
even bigger issue is that the processing of CDRs and cell tower data is
often sub contracted to another company who does the billing. So now you
have 2 companies and 2 sets of employees that have access to your data. And
all too often, in NA, the company running the billing system is not US or
Canadian. Given the propensity for warrantless access laws, at least in NA,
you have a major opportunity to leak data. And of course open to abuse, you
can imagine that less ethical groups might just have someone on the inside.

If you watched the TED segment, you will know just how detailed that view
is. They tracked him on train, bus, etc.

So, the benefit of e911 is rather offset by what you give up.

Gerrit

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To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

Right, cell phone tracking is not all pervasive nor always entirely evil.

If I dial 911, I *want* them to know where I am ... just not enough replace
a telephone that already works.

From: Paul Stenquist
 It would be good if someone kept track of where I am in case I forget.

 Paul
 On Dec 19, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:

 How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service 
 from one tower?

 At least conceivably, beamforming antenna arrays at the tower (for 
 azimuth), and round-trip signal delay (for the range).


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[Paul Stenquist]

I don't have much to hide, and as a journalist, I'm frequently exposed  anyway, 
so I don't worry much about privacy.  Extreme concerns about privacy are a 
modern phenomenon in my opinion. There was a time when people sought close 
contact with others for protection. Too much privacy was dangerous.

Paul
On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cell phone tracking is entirely all invasive. The police can request from
 your provider, without your knowledge, all cell tower data for months at a
 time plus all your CDR's. I have seen the clear-text trouble tickets! An
 even bigger issue is that the processing of CDRs and cell tower data is
 often sub contracted to another company who does the billing. So now you
 have 2 companies and 2 sets of employees that have access to your data. And
 all too often, in NA, the company running the billing system is not US or
 Canadian. Given the propensity for warrantless access laws, at least in NA,
 you have a major opportunity to leak data. And of course open to abuse, you
 can imagine that less ethical groups might just have someone on the inside.
 
 If you watched the TED segment, you will know just how detailed that view
 is. They tracked him on train, bus, etc.
 
 So, the benefit of e911 is rather offset by what you give up.
 
 Gerrit
 
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 Sent: December 19, 2012 6:50 PM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...
 
 Right, cell phone tracking is not all pervasive nor always entirely evil.
 
 If I dial 911, I *want* them to know where I am ... just not enough replace
 a telephone that already works.
 
 From: Paul Stenquist
 It would be good if someone kept track of where I am in case I forget.
 
 Paul
 On Dec 19, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:
 
 How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service 
 from one tower?
 
 At least conceivably, beamforming antenna arrays at the tower (for 
 azimuth), and round-trip signal delay (for the range).
 
 
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[Boris Liberman]

On 12/19/2012 5:51 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:

I've seen a commentary or two lately that claim, with some historical
backing, that personal privacy was an aberration of Western society in
the 19th and 20th centuries, as compared to the rest of human history.


That is totally fascinating... Indeed people are willingly and en-masse 
join the social networks only in order to tell the world what was the 
color of their morning lipstick or the shape of the cloud on top of 
their house sometimes getting pretty much exhibitionistic about 
themselves. Then, after quite some time they would notice that they've 
been telling too much to too many people. So you may have a point here - 
the human nature is to boast first and to think later...





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I'm with you on this one, Bob. If it does not from frontal attack the 
best way to proceed is to retreat and apply the frog in the hot water 
tactic...


On 12/19/2012 5:00 AM, Bob W wrote:

this whole thing feels to me like a deliberately storm-provoking opening
move. They will came back soom with something else that's only slightly less
outrageous, and everyone will breathe a sigh of relief because it's not as
bad as it could have been, and 'we have listened to our customers'. They
will then bit by bit start nibbling away at it until they've got what they
wanted in the first place.

It's a very common ploy used by politicians, property developers and other
greasy bastards. A couple of years ago there was a plan put forward here to
build some collosal tower blocks at the end of the street, right by the
river, spoiling a world famous view. Of course there was a storm of protest;
the developers 'listened to local residents', and got permission to build
stuff that would probably have been rejected if they had proposed it first
time round. A few months ago, building halted 'due to the downturn', but has
recently been restarted but they have proposed a change to the plans which
almost reinstates what they originally asked to do.

It becomes a war of attrition as these greedy bastards do their damndest to
fuck the ordinary people every which way in pursuit of their filthy lucre.

'Monetize'. Whoever thought that one up should be buried up to his chin in
concrete and his mouth used as a public toilet. At 20p a time, to monetize
it.

B





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[Boris Liberman]

Do you really think, Peter that you and your property don't belong to 
your state? (notice that I am using word you and your a number of 
times on purpose)...




On 12/19/2012 10:01 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

That's true communism, however every communist system bigger than a
shaker community that has been tried is actually a form of fascism,
whereby all property and all citizens belong to the state. The rest is
just window dressing.

On 12/19/2012 2:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

The caveat here that if you're grown up enough you can agree to limit
some of your privacy by choosing to sign an agreement. Now if the
'good' that may come to you is attractive enough (e.g. you won't be
facebook-less outcast) you will sign it anyway. And since the state
has so much to gain from 'partnering' with facebook, they won't
interfere... And so you will soon enough arrive at things such as
instagram mishap.

By the way it occurs to me that if instagram really decided to be
truly communistic, it would say something like this - by uploading
your pics to us you give up all the rights - we can use them as we
please, but in return you can use pictures of any other user for any
purpose whatsoever. Of course that's not gonna happen, ever.


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On December 19, 2012 3:08:21 PM John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:

From: Doug Franklin
 On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:
 In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
 referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of personal
 privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and trampled
 upon)? I understand privacy can be invaded in any number of ways, but
 never in human history have major portions of populations, via
 technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track them, including
 their whereabouts, contacts, purchases, transactions, etc.

 If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
 privacy. The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
 fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to
the
 living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much about
 it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a privilege, a
 circumstance, or a symptom.

I would argue that it dates back at least into the 17th Century. The
writings of the Enlightenment philosophers  scientists clearly had
profound effect upon the founding fathers and are reflected in the
Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The right to privacy is implicit in the 3rd  4th Amendments and to a
lesser extent in the 5th  6th.

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[Boris Liberman]

Privacy is a right, Paul. At least this is my view. Further IMO, privacy 
is a basic right. Presently, in order to get my privacy I have to 
descend some 50 years to the past - turn off my cell phone, disconnect 
my home from the internet and may be do few more things. I am not saying 
that's unacceptable, but that's how it is.


Modern human has been enslaved my modern technology and some people are 
already paying the price...


On 12/20/2012 2:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I don't have much to hide, and as a journalist, I'm frequently
exposed  anyway, so I don't worry much about privacy.  Extreme
concerns about privacy are a modern phenomenon in my opinion. There
was a time when people sought close contact with others for
protection. Too much privacy was dangerous.

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[P. J. Alling]

Not quite yet, they're working on it though.

On 12/20/2012 12:06 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Do you really think, Peter that you and your property don't belong to 
your state? (notice that I am using word you and your a number of 
times on purpose)...




On 12/19/2012 10:01 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

That's true communism, however every communist system bigger than a
shaker community that has been tried is actually a form of fascism,
whereby all property and all citizens belong to the state. The rest is
just window dressing.

On 12/19/2012 2:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

The caveat here that if you're grown up enough you can agree to limit
some of your privacy by choosing to sign an agreement. Now if the
'good' that may come to you is attractive enough (e.g. you won't be
facebook-less outcast) you will sign it anyway. And since the state
has so much to gain from 'partnering' with facebook, they won't
interfere... And so you will soon enough arrive at things such as
instagram mishap.

By the way it occurs to me that if instagram really decided to be
truly communistic, it would say something like this - by uploading
your pics to us you give up all the rights - we can use them as we
please, but in return you can use pictures of any other user for any
purpose whatsoever. Of course that's not gonna happen, ever.


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On December 19, 2012 3:08:21 PM John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:

From: Doug Franklin
 On 2012-12-18 23:23, Tom C wrote:
 In what way I ask. There's certainly much I don't know. Are you
 referring to the concept of personal privacy or the state of 
personal

 privacy (i.e. the ease with which it can be invaded and trampled
 upon)? I understand privacy can be invaded in any number of 
ways, but

 never in human history have major portions of populations, via
 technology, enabled powers to clandestinely track them, including
 their whereabouts, contacts, purchases, transactions, etc.

 If I understand the argument correctly, it's about expectation of
 privacy. The argument seems to go along the lines of how, outside
 fairly recent Western societies, privacy didn't really exist due to
the
 living conditions, to the extent that no one really thought much 
about

 it, much less agonized over whether it was a right, a privilege, a
 circumstance, or a symptom.

I would argue that it dates back at least into the 17th Century. The
writings of the Enlightenment philosophers  scientists clearly had
profound effect upon the founding fathers and are reflected in the
Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The right to privacy is implicit in the 3rd  4th Amendments and to a
lesser extent in the 5th  6th.

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[Bob W]

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
 
 I don't have much to hide, and as a journalist, I'm frequently exposed
 anyway, so I don't worry much about privacy.  Extreme concerns about
 privacy are a modern phenomenon in my opinion. There was a time when
 people sought close contact with others for protection. Too much
 privacy was dangerous.
 

there is a world of difference between choosing close contact with others,
and having others following you without your knowledge or permission.

B

 Paul
 On Dec 19, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Cell phone tracking is entirely all invasive. The police can request
  from your provider, without your knowledge, all cell tower data for
  months at a time plus all your CDR's. I have seen the clear-text
  trouble tickets! An even bigger issue is that the processing of CDRs
  and cell tower data is often sub contracted to another company who
  does the billing. So now you have 2 companies and 2 sets of employees
  that have access to your data. And all too often, in NA, the company
  running the billing system is not US or Canadian. Given the
 propensity
  for warrantless access laws, at least in NA, you have a major
  opportunity to leak data. And of course open to abuse, you can
 imagine that less ethical groups might just have someone on the inside.
 
  If you watched the TED segment, you will know just how detailed that
  view is. They tracked him on train, bus, etc.
 
  So, the benefit of e911 is rather offset by what you give up.
 
  Gerrit
 
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  Sent: December 19, 2012 6:50 PM
  To: pdml@pdml.net
  Subject: Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...
 
  Right, cell phone tracking is not all pervasive nor always entirely
 evil.
 
  If I dial 911, I *want* them to know where I am ... just not enough
  replace a telephone that already works.
 
  From: Paul Stenquist
  It would be good if someone kept track of where I am in case I
 forget.
 
  Paul
  On Dec 19, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, John Sessoms
  jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
  wrote:
 
  How are they going to know where I am if I can barely get service
  from one tower?
 
  At least conceivably, beamforming antenna arrays at the tower (for
  azimuth), and round-trip signal delay (for the range).
 
 
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[Darren Addy]

As I said on Twitter:
Who da thunk after paying $1B for #Instagram that #Facebook would now
want to monitize it? Besides everybody, I mean.

One opinion to the latest news is that if you are going to use a free
service you should expect them to be able to make money off of their
service (YOU) somehow:
http://www.zdnet.com/so-instagram-can-now-sell-your-photos-get-over-it-708960/
That article also links to a couple of services that help you to
download your items from Instagram if you want to preserve them and
then terminate your service with them.

I don't use Instagram, so this does not affect me directly, but it is
one more (significant) application of downward pressure to stock
photography prices (something that seems to be going the way of print
newspapers). So for anybody who makes an income off of stock
photography this is not good news (any more than Getty's collaboration
with Flickr was really good news in that regard).

In a larger sense, this highlights the problem inherent in any Terms
of Service that can change significantly with little notice to their
users. Facebook has a particularly egregious history in this regard so
it figures that anything they takeover is going to be afflicted by the
same disease. I fear that it is a trend that will only accelerate with
other services looking for ways to increase the bottom line.


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com wrote:
 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world’s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

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[Tom C]

 From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com

 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate communism'.

Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
intellectual property theft.

Tom C.

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[Mark Roberts]

Bong Manayon wrote:

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
the Web site into the world’s largest stock photo agency.

http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

Neat! Well, for Instagram it’s neat. Not so much for its end users.
But I have to admit I'm impressed with the diabolical game they've
played here.

TOS agreements like this haven’t been a problem in the past for a
couple of reasons: Firstly, the online service could never be sure the
person who uploaded the image was the copyright owner — and there are
big lawsuits waiting there if they guess wrong. Secondly, aside from
copyright they need a model release from any recognizable person in
any image they use commercially or license for commercial use.

Instagram sidesteps the first issue entirely because the person who
shoots the photo is the one who uploads it to the site. And because
Instagram encourages artsy photography of all kinds of subjects,
there’s a good chance they’ll get a significant number of photographs
which don’t show a recognizable person and therefore don’t require a
model release. 

Yes, it's evil, but impressively so.
 
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[John Sessoms]

So, facebook is owned by greedy assholes. Who would have ever guessed?

From: Bong Manayon

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[P. J. Alling]

Facebook is openly evil.

On 12/18/2012 10:07 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
the Web site into the world’s largest stock photo agency.

http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos




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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[John Sessoms]

From: Tom C

From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos


Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate communism'.

Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
intellectual property theft.



No can do! All disputes have to be submitted to binding arbitration. 
It's in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up.


THEY get to pick the arbitrator.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn-dD-QKYN4

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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Boris Liberman]

Oh, but they have gazillion members out of which gazillion and a half 
will stay signed in forever. Though there is hope in numbers, 'cause 
they have immense piles of images (even given the hints of the 
community assigned rating) to work through to find something useful.


Anyway, I'm rather amused by the consequences of mass hysteria when one 
is not considered fully human if one doesn't have a Facebook, twitter, 
etc account...


It will get progressively more bizarre to the people who could keep a 
date without a cell phone, and rather a second nature to the current 
generation...


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On December 18, 2012 8:14:48 PM P. J. Alling 
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

Facebook is openly evil.

On 12/18/2012 10:07 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:
 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world’s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos



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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Boris Liberman]

Tom, it would have been communism if it also said 'our pictures are 
your pictures' which iiuc it most certainly does not.



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On December 18, 2012 7:13:23 PM Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com

 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate communism'.

Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
intellectual property theft.

Tom C.

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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Tom C]

 From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

 From: Tom C
 From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com

 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

 Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate communism'.

 Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
 intellectual property theft.


 No can do! All disputes have to be submitted to binding arbitration.
 It's in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up.

 THEY get to pick the arbitrator.

I've never used Instagram and I activate my Facebook account once
every two months or so simply to enter a giveaway. Never put a photo
on either. It recently has become to where I don't even care about
that. Facebook is a good idea gone totally awry.

Tom C.

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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[P. J. Alling]

On 12/18/2012 3:19 PM, Tom C wrote:

From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
From: Tom C

From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate communism'.

Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
intellectual property theft.


No can do! All disputes have to be submitted to binding arbitration.
It's in the TOS you agreed to when you signed up.

THEY get to pick the arbitrator.

I've never used Instagram and I activate my Facebook account once
every two months or so simply to enter a giveaway. Never put a photo
on either. It recently has become to where I don't even care about
that. Facebook is a good idea gone totally awry.

Tom C.

If you believe the story, Zuckerberg started Facebook to meet women, 
probably because he couldn't stalk them any other way.


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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Mark Roberts]

Well, there goes my plan to Instagram all the photos for next year's
PDML Photo Annual...

 
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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Tom C]

 From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com

 Tom, it would have been communism if it also said 'our pictures are
 your pictures' which iiuc it most certainly does not.

True but I didn't want to perpetuate that part of the deception.
Twentieth-century communists (as we commonly like to think of them -
the eastern bloc) essentially had their own bourgeois elite class,
that was rich and privileged and didn't learn to share when children.

Tom C.

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[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

As I understand it communism is common ownership of the means of production.

I'm not sure what that has to do with Instagram stealing photographs.

Sadly, the term communism has been misused and abused more than just about 
any other word in the past century - including by those who purport to be 
communists (but clearly aren't).

cheers,
frank

--- Original Message ---

From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com
Sent: December 18, 2012 12/18/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

 From: Bong Manayon bongmana...@gmail.com

 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world?s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos

Your pictures are our pictures. Nothing less than 'corporate communism'.

Somebody needs to sue them for what is a flagrant attempt at
intellectual property theft.

Tom C.

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RE: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Gerrit Visser]

Just like democracy and freedom, 2 more words abused ad infinitum.

Of course Instagram is not stealing your photos, they are telling you that
you have granted them a license to do anything they like with your
copyrighted material. Unlike of course what you are allowed to do with
anyone else's copyrighted material. Of course that wording is in the
existing TOS so nothing new there.

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

As I understand it communism is common ownership of the means of
production.

I'm not sure what that has to do with Instagram stealing photographs.

Sadly, the term communism has been misused and abused more than just about
any other word in the past century - including by those who purport to be
communists (but clearly aren't).

cheers,
frank



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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Ann Sanfedele]

I JUST NOW heard that announced on my evening TV news and was about to 
mention it here. Oy


ann

On 12/18/2012 10:07, Bong Manayon wrote:

Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
the Web site into the world’s largest stock photo agency.

http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos



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RE: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Bob W]

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 knarftheria...@gmail.com
 
 As I understand it communism is common ownership of the means of
 production.
 
 I'm not sure what that has to do with Instagram stealing photographs.
 
 Sadly, the term communism has been misused and abused more than just
 about any other word in the past century - including by those who
 purport to be communists (but clearly aren't).
 

if you trace the term back to its roots in the French Revolution and the
'commune insurrectionnelle' of 1792 you may find that communism is
government of the people, by the people, for the people.

B


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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Tom C]

 From: knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com

 As I understand it communism is common ownership of the means of production.

 I'm not sure what that has to do with Instagram stealing photographs.

 Sadly, the term communism has been misused and abused more than just about 
 any other word in the past century - including by those who purport to be 
 communists (but clearly aren't).

 cheers,
 frank

Well Frank, the meaning of words change over time. Some words are
misused either accidentally or deliberately. Some words grow in
meaning and come to encompass wider concepts, or that same word can be
used to describe a smaller attribute of a larger whole.

You know that though... :)

I used the term in the sense that it applies to a general lack of
regard for personal property rights, and probably most readers
understood it in that context.

As I understand now, Instagram/Facebook is back-pedaling saying that
what they wrote isn't what they really meant. I find that hard to
swallow because dishonesty and unbridled self-interest is easy to
disguise and cover over as accidental, ineptness or stupidity. I had
no doubts about what the TOS in question meant when I read it.

I recall an underwear manufacturer commercial in the past depicting
only white underwear as being 'communistic' or like living under a
communist system because of a relative lack of choice. Viewers got the
point.

As Gerrit, wrote the terms democracy and capitalism (and just about
any word) can be used in endless ways.

Do you know what the word pedantic means? I'm sure you do. I do...
sometimes I'm that way. :)

Tom C.

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Re: OT- Instagram now has right to sell your photos...

[Igor Roshchin]

Apparently, today in the afternoon, this policy change has been 
revoked by Facebook:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57559890-93/instagram-apologizes-to-users-we-wont-sell-your-photos/


On 12/18/2012 10:07, Bong Manayon wrote:
 Under the new policy, Facebook claims the perpetual right to license
 all public Instagram photos to companies or any other organization,
 including for advertising purposes, which would effectively transform
 the Web site into the world.s largest stock photo agency.

 http://www.slrlounge.com/instagram-now-has-the-right-to-sell-your-photos



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[Eactivist]

Good, never used Instagram (not quite sure, what  it is actually), but was 
considering never showing a photo again on FB. Which I  sort of like, 
actually. Took me about a year, but now I am used to  it.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  Newflanged gadgets, grumble, istuff,  tablets, give me 
Twitter and FB and a computer. 

In a message dated  12/18/2012 5:26:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
s...@komkon.org  writes:
Apparently, today in the afternoon, this policy change has been  
revoked by  Facebook:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57559890-93/instagram-apologizes-to-users-w
e-wont-sell-your-photos/   


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