Gary R., Phyllis, List:
GR: But on further reflection, it is quite clear what the 'type' of the
subway token is ...
I am likely belaboring the point now, but a subway token is *not *a token
in the semeiotic sense, and its type is *not *a type in the semeiotic
sense. The English *term *"subway
My work in non-verbal inferencing patterns stems from the arts considered
in light of Peirce's phenomenology. So, while I agree with you that not
much is written about the arts from a Peircean perspective, it is a rich
source for such study.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 3:09 PM Gary Richmond wrote:
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Phyllis, Jon, Gary F, List,
PC: What about a thought expressed without language as, say, a piece of
music, a modern dance or an abstract piece of art?
In my view it depends on whether the piece of music or dance or art object
was 'reproduced' internally from something already 'composed', in
What about a thought expressed without language as, say, a piece of music,
a modern dance or an abstract piece of art?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 12:17 PM Gary Richmond wrote:
> Gary F, Jon, List,
>
> GF: "A thought I am hosting at the moment is certainly *embodied* here
> and now in a pattern of
Gary F, Jon, List,
GF: "A thought I am hosting at the moment is certainly *embodied* here and
now in a pattern of neural activity, whether I *utter* it or not, just as a
spoken or written text is *embodied* in a pattern of sound waves or marks
on a page. The only difference is that it is an
Gary F., List:
GF: It would follow that the three words in the different languages are
*subtypes*, not tokens, of the more general type which Peirce referred to
as “the same sign.” This implies a hierarchy of *types *but not of *tokens*.
I agree, although I prefer to use "type" for what you are
Jeff, List:
This is another example of incorrectly applying Peirce's semeiotic
terminology of "type" and "token" to the *objects *of signs rather than to
signs *themselves*. Just as an individual man is *not *a token of the type
"man" as a word in English, the individual philosophers called by
Jon, Gary R, List,
Thanks for correcting my mistake about tokens, which somehow slipped by my
internal editor.
JAS: the three words in different languages are only tokens where they are
actually written or spoken, and each of those individual instances is governed
by the general type to which
Gary, Gary, Jon, list,
I think, being either an animal or a human does not make something either a sign or an object, but the context does.
Best, Helmut
05. November 2021 um 06:52 Uhr
"Gary Richmond"
wrote:
Jon A.S., Gary F, List,
JAS: Again, my
Hi All,
This is a frequent question, between token and type, in knowledge
representation systems. Of course, the answer to this question is
context. When talking about a thing or its attributes, token is your
choice. When talking about external relationships or group membership,
type is your
List,
To follow up on the message I just sent out:
When I first came to live in NYC, and for several decades after, when you
wanted to take the subway you would go to a booth and purchase
subway 'tokens'. Each subway token was a token (in Peircean terms) of
the *type*, 'that object which will
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