[PEIRCE-L] Re: What Kind of ANYTHING is a Sign ???

2014-03-20 Thread Jon Awbrey
that the semiosic Sign is(5469-1) a single set of three interactive Relations, while you consider that it is a 'single triadic relation'. Jon Awbrey and I recently came to the agreement that The Peircean sign can be viewed as a mathematical (5469-2) category characterized

[PEIRCE-L] Category Theory, Relational Arrows, Sign Relations

2014-03-21 Thread Jon Awbrey
Sung, I appreciate your sticking with this, as I think the potential connections between category theory, relation theory in general, and triadic sign relations in particular is a topic well worth pursuing. At present, however, I need to keep my focus on Peirce's 1870 Logic of Relatives or

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Category Theory, Relational Arrows, Sign Relations

2014-03-21 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thanks, Robert, I have added this to the pile of fusionable materials. Perhaps we can generate a modicum of synergy before our sun goes nova. Regards, Jon Robert Marty wrote: My contribution using category theory :

[PEIRCE-L] Re: What kind of sign is a gene?

2014-03-24 Thread Jon Awbrey
Good Grief, are you understanding why I call it the bi-semiotics list now, Gary? Then again, semiology 2.0 would probably be more accurate. Jon Sungchul Ji wrote: Edwina, Howard, Vinicius, List, We have been having this, what I call the, Taborsky-Pattee debate on (the meaning of) symbols

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.4

2014-03-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.4 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/03/26/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-10-4/ Posted : March 26, 2014 at 9:30 am Peircers, just 2 bits ... a bit of segue ... From now on I will use the forms of analysis exemplified

[PEIRCE-L] Objects, Objectives, Objectivity

2014-03-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Recent discussions of purpose in semiotics remind me once more of a recurring theme: Jon Awbrey | 9 Sep 20:22 2011 [http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.inquiry/3713] Objects, Objectives, Objectivity I am constantly reminded of this favorite line from Peirce: No longer wondered

[PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5. Semeiotics, or the Doctrine of Signs

2014-03-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
As far as ends go, if it's good enough for Goethe it's good enough for me. Das Ewig-Weibliche zieht uns hinan. Cheers, Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Mar 26, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard jeffrey.down...@nau.edu wrote: Jon, List, Your reference to the Latin and Greek

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Kees Chapter 5: TITLE, Semeiotic/Semeiotics vs Semiotic/Semiotics

2014-03-29 Thread Jon Awbrey
John, Kees, List, This bit of sem{e}io-arch{a}eology has certainly excavated a wealth of fascinating historical nuggets, but my own vain ventures in language policing tell me that usage will be determined by almost anything but historical accuracy, more often by the way that newfangled words

[PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 5. Semeiotics, or the Doctrine of Signs

2014-04-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Frank, Thanks a million for your time and obvious care in reviewing my notes! You catch me entering on a period of intermittent travel, so it may be the middle/end of the month before we can get down to details, but I'll start now in stepwise refinement mode, with a few off the cuff remarks and

[PEIRCE-L] Re: “Let Us Now Return To The Information”

2014-04-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Frank, I'll take up your points one or two at a time, in no particular order, just responding to whatever stimuli bring something to mind right off. FR: I took the time to follow the three links and read through the webpages, and came up with some notes, some as commentary and others as

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Let Us Now Return To The Information

2014-04-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread Previous: JA:http://web.archive.org/web/20140403180003/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/12469 JA:http://web.archive.org/web/20140404040202/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/12480

[PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar : Chapter 5. Semeiotics, or the Doctrine of Signs

2014-04-07 Thread Jon Awbrey
Jeff, There's a rather long history of people borrowing Peirce's terminology while leaving his definitions and methods behind. I see that fine old tradition has now been extended to category theory, graph theory, and who knows what else. The full title of Peirce's 1870 Logic of relatives is

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.6

2014-04-16 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.6 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/16/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-10-6/ Posted : April 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, As Peirce observes, it is not possible to work with relations in general

[PEIRCE-L] Subscriber Options

2014-04-17 Thread Jon Awbrey
Subscribers may wish to note that there's a Subscriber Options mepage at the Sympa Web Interface where one has, among other options, the ability to set a Receiving Mode of No Mail (Useful for Vacations): https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/suboptions/peirce-l Regards, Jon

[PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6. Philosophy of Science

2014-04-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
o~o~o~o~o~o Where number is irrelevant, regimented mathematical technique has hitherto tended to be lacking. Thus it is that the progress of natural science has depended so largely upon the discernment of measurable quantity of one sort or another.

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.7

2014-04-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.7 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/18/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-10-7/ Posted : April 18, 2014 at 6:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Here is what I get when I analyze Peirce's “giver of a horse to a lover

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.9

2014-04-23 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.9 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/23/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%E2%80%A2-comment-10-9/ Posted : April 23, 2014 at 9:30 am Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, The use of the concepts of identity and teridentity is not to identify

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.10

2014-04-23 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.10 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/24/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%E2%80%A2-comment-10-10/ Posted : April 24, 2014 at 12:00 am Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, The last of the three examples involving the composition of triadic

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The e-version of the Transactions edition on Joseph Ransdell is now available

2014-04-25 Thread Jon Awbrey
Gary, Congratulations to you and Cathy on this work❢ Regards, Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.12

2014-04-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 10.12 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/26/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-10-12/ Posted : April 26, 2014 at 9:30 am Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, I think I finally got clear about this ... Potential ambiguities

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Selection 11

2014-04-28 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Selection 11 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/29/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-selection-11/ Posted : April 29, 2014 at 12:30 am Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Among other things, we may note in this section the roots of a connection

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.1

2014-04-29 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.1 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/29/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-1/ Posted : April 29, 2014 at 12:12 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, We have reached a suitable place to pause in our reading of Peirce’s text

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.2

2014-04-29 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.2 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/30/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-2/ Posted : April 30, 2014 at 12:30 am Author : Jon Awbrey NOF Said … == Let's bring together the various things that Peirce has said

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.3

2014-04-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.3 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/04/30/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-3/ Posted : April 30, 2014 at 3:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Before I can discuss Peirce’s “number of” function in greater detail I

[PEIRCE-L] Re: category theory in math

2014-05-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Esteban, Thanks for the links, I will add them to the pile of fusionable materials. And welcome to the List! Jon Esteban Fredin wrote: Dear list, This is the very first time I post here. I'm a student of Cognitive Semiotics at Aarhus University. When it comes to Category Theory, I have

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.5

2014-05-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.5 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/02/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-5/ Posted : May 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Everyone knows that the right sort of diagram can be a great aid in rendering

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.6

2014-05-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.6 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/04/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-6/ Posted : May 4, 2014 at 2:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Let’s continue working our way through the above definitions, constructing

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.7

2014-05-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.7 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/05/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-7/ Posted : May 5, 2014 at 6:30 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, We come now to the very special cases of dyadic relations known

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.8

2014-05-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.8 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/06/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-8/ Posted : May 6, 2014 at 12:34 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Let's take a closer look at the ''numerical incidence properties

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.10

2014-05-07 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.10 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/07/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-10/ Posted : May 7, 2014 at 10:36 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, In the case of a dyadic relation F ⊆ X × Y that has the qualifications

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.16

2014-05-21 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.16 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/21/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-16/ Posted : May 21, 2014 at 4:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, We have enough material on morphisms now to go back and cast a more

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.20

2014-06-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.20 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/06/01/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%E2%80%A2-comment-11-20/ Posted : Jun 1, 2014 at 12:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, We come to the last of Peirce's statements about the “number of” function

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.23

2014-06-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.23 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/06/05/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-23/ Posted : June 5, 2014 at 10:48 am Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Peirce's description of logical conjunction and conditional probability

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.12

2014-06-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
LOR Comment 11.12 JA:http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/12/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%E2%80%A2-comment-11-12/ JA:http://web.archive.org/web/20140512190003/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/12829

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's 1870 Logic Of Relatives • Comment 11.12

2014-06-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
LOR Comment 11.12 JA:http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/05/12/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%E2%80%A2-comment-11-12/ JA:http://web.archive.org/web/20140512190003/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/12829

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.24

2014-06-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 11.24 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/06/08/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-11-24/ Posted : June 8, 2014 at 11:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, We come to the end of the “number of” examples that we noted

[PEIRCE-L] Re: NYTimes : From China, With Pragmatism

2014-06-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
good grief, what tripe ... - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line

[PEIRCE-L] Re: NYTimes : From China, With Pragmatism

2014-06-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
Yes, thankfully few of them saved me from total despair. Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Jun 9, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Phyllis Chiasson ath...@olympus.net wrote: Did you read the comments following the piece? Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: good grief, what tripe

[PEIRCE-L] Re: NYTimes : From China, With Pragmatism

2014-06-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
If we must re-import our pragmatism from overseas these days, I think that Finland might supply a higher quality re-cycling, at least a far as Dewey-eyed education goes. cf. http://dianeravitch.net/2014/06/09/pasi-sahlberg-speaks-in-massachusetts-on-finnish-lessons/ Regards, Jon

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 12.3

2014-06-12 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 12.3 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/06/12/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-12-3/ Posted : June 12, 2014 at 4:32 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, We now have two ways of computing a logical involution that raises a dyadic

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 12.4

2014-06-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Peirce's 1870 “Logic Of Relatives” • Comment 12.4 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/06/14/peirces-1870-logic-of-relatives-%e2%80%a2-comment-12-4/ Posted : June 14, 2014 at 12:00 am Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Peirce next considers a pair of compound involutions, stating an equation

[PEIRCE-L] Astrobiology and Taology

2014-06-17 Thread Jon Awbrey
And then there's this — ☯ http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140615.html Jon - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L

[PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-23 Thread Jon Awbrey
Matt, List, I was minded more of Plato's demiurge than James' will to believe, a notion on which Peirce looked rather askance, if I recall correctly ... Jon Matt Faunce wrote: Here is William James in his lecture Is Life Worth Living? on the urge y'all are speaking of. Is it not sheer

[PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-23 Thread Jon Awbrey
the ideal Forms and the metaphysical Master Craftsman. Edwina - Original Message - From: Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net To: Matt Faunce mattfau...@gmail.com Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God

[PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-24 Thread Jon Awbrey
, point me toward Peirce's thoughts on James's Will to Believe, or any of his concepts that are contrary to it? Matt On Jun 23, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: Matt, List, I was minded more of Plato's demiurge than James' will to believe, a notion on which Peirce looked rather

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Logic Is Social

2014-06-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
Stephen, Gary, List, These would be the passages that always come most readily to my mind in this connection: Definition Of Logic http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2012/06/01/c-s-peirce-%E2%80%A2-on-the-definition-of-logic/ Logic As Semiotic

[PEIRCE-L] Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-06-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Just a note to anchor a series of recurring thoughts that come to mind incidental to the thread on entropy, etc., but I won't have to much to say on the bio-chemico-physico-thermo-dynamic side of thins, so I'll spin this off on under a separate heading. My interest in this topic

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-06-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://web.archive.org/web/20140630184801/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13445 Peircers, Correcting a few typos and continuing ... Just a note to anchor a series of recurring thoughts that come to mind incidental to the thread on entropy, etc., but I

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-06-30 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://web.archive.org/web/2014063022/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13446 SR:http://web.archive.org/web/20140701002000/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13447

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-07-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
JA:http://web.archive.org/web/2014063022/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13446 SR:http://web.archive.org/web/20140701002000/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13447

[PEIRCE-L] Doubt, Uncertainty, Dispersion, Entropy

2014-07-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : Doubt, Uncertainty, Dispersion, Entropy : 1 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/07/01/doubt-uncertainty-dispersion-entropy-1/ Posted : July 1, 2014 at 10:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Tags : Dispersion, Doubt, Entropy, Information, Information Theory, Inquiry, Inquiry Driven

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-07-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: Thread: JA:http://web.archive.org/web/20140630184801/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13445 Peircers, Correcting a few typos and continuing ... Just a note to anchor a series of recurring thoughts that come

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-07-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: JA:http://web.archive.org/web/2014063022/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13446 SR:http://web.archive.org/web/20140701002000/http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13447

[PEIRCE-L] ¿Shifting Paradigms? • 3

2014-08-22 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : ¿Shifting Paradigms? • 3 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/08/22/shifting-paradigms-%e2%80%a2-3/ Posted : August 22, 2014 at 12:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, A few thoughts on mathematical inquiry that arose in connection with a number of perennial issues ... Re: Harvey

[PEIRCE-L] C.S. Peirce • Syllabus • Selection 1

2014-08-25 Thread Jon Awbrey
Post : C.S. Peirce • Syllabus • Selection 1 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2014/08/24/c-s-peirce-%e2%80%a2-syllabus-%e2%80%a2-selection-1/ Posted : August 24, 2014 at 11:00 pm Author : Jon Awbrey Peircers, Returning to a text of Peirce that often comes to mind whenever I think

[PEIRCE-L] Re: C.S. Peirce • Syllabus • Selection 1 Comment on Categories • Food for Thought❢

2014-08-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
it is indeed one of the meanings of the ancient Greek word pragma. Regards, Jon Jerry LR Chandler wrote: JerryList, Jon: Thanks for posting this quote. On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: An Outline Classification of the Sciences 180. This classification, which

[PEIRCE-L] Re: C.S. Peirce • Syllabus • Selection 1

2014-08-26 Thread Jon Awbrey
natural inclination to examine its context. At any rate, I would probably avoid using the word categories for these classes of affairs as that word is confounded to much already in recent discussions. Regards, Jon Jon Awbrey wrote: Jerry, Thanks, you are very welcome. I have to run right now

[PEIRCE-L] Re: C.S. Peirce • Syllabus • Selection 1

2014-08-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
I was drawn somewhat against my natural inclination to examine its context. At any rate, I would probably avoid using the word categories for these classes of affairs as that word is confounded too much already in recent discussions. Regards, Jon Jon Awbrey wrote: Post : C.S. Peirce

[PEIRCE-L] Re: C.S. Peirce • Syllabus → Categories?

2014-08-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, There are a number of questions that come to mind as I return to the following paragraph: quote 180. This classification, which aims to base itself on the principal affinities of the objects classified, is concerned not with all possible sciences, nor with so many branches of

[PEIRCE-L] Re: C.S. Peirce • Syllabus → Categories?

2014-08-27 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, I'm about to be busy with other busy-ness for a little while, so let me just copy here the other selection from Peirce that I took as affording a ready plank in the bridge I was aiming to build between older and newer notions of categories. Selection 2 --- quote I will

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re:Frederik Stjernfelt At:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13825 Frederik, One small point that I find myself making on a periodic basis: I think it is better to describe Peirce's take on logic as non-psychologism rather than anti-psychologoism, the main thing being

[PEIRCE-L] Q. Why is there so much falsity in the world?

2014-09-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
A. Because people prefer falsity to truth, illusion to reality. ⁂ Being the drift of my reflections on the plays I saw at Stratford this summer — King Lear, King John, Man of La Mancha, Alice Through the Looking-Glass, Crazy for You, Hay Fever. ⁂ The Beaux’ Stratagem • Masks, Madness,

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Q. Why is there so much falsity in the world?

2014-09-01 Thread Jon Awbrey
for invention, man must deal with truth and reality. Or, the plane won't fly and the computer won't exist or work. So, aren't we a combination of both? And thus, don't we require both? Edwina - Original Message - From: Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net To: Peirce List 1 peirce-l@list.iupui.edu

[PEIRCE-L] Re:Natural Propositions

2014-09-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Gary Fuhrman At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13838 I think your book will change all that, showing as it does a dicisign — that is, a sign complete enough to be true — must involve both iconic and indexical components, but does not have to be symbolic.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
are not mathematicians, then surely, there is some way to arrive at such an understanding without also being a mathematician. Edwina - Original Message - From: Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net To: Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca Cc: Gary Fuhrman g...@gnusystems.ca; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee; Peirce List

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-02 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Tom Gollier At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13847 Tom, It is probably best to leave this particular wrinkle alone for now, but maybe I can say a few things by way of explaining my overall perspective on Peirce's logic and semiotics. My continuing interest

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: John Deely At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13872 John, My personal preference for that is objectivity, using the word in a telescopic sense that refers to an objective lens, the one that points toward the object (pragma). I wrote about that here:

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Q. Why is there so much falsity in the world?

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
ideologies, eg, Buddhist, Christian retreat. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com *To:* Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca *Cc:* Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net ; Peirce List 1 peirce-l@list.iupui.edu *Sent:* Monday, September 01, 2014 6:57 PM *Subject

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
in theorizing its continuity with reasoning. gary f. -Original Message- From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sent: 3-Sep-14 9:18 AM To: Gary Fuhrman Cc: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee; 'Peirce List' Subject: Re: Natural Propositions Gary, This knee-jerk view of logic and thought

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Frederik Stjernfelt At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13888 Re: it may be expressed as the claim that all true triadic relations are signs vs. the claim that signs only comprise a subset of triadic relations. Frederik All, People may speculate until the

[PEIRCE-L] Relation Theory

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, The following article provides an introduction to polyadic or k-adic relations, at least so far as the discrete case goes. http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Relation_theory Regards, Jon -- academia: http://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey my word press blog:

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Relation

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, The following article introduces basic concepts relevant to triadic relations, giving simple, concrete, but non-trivial examples from mathematics and semiotics. http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Triadic_relation Regards, Jon -- academia:

[PEIRCE-L] Sign Relation

2014-09-03 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, The following article-in-progress sketches a view of sign relations as sets of ordered triples each having the form (object, sign, interpretant sign) and develops the examples of sign relations given in the article on triadic relations.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Frederik Stjernfelt At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13886 Frederik, Yes, the orthogonality or independence of descriptive and normative sciences is noted by McCulloch in his opening lines. The thing that struck me like a lightning synapse when I first read

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
No, it means that sometimes somebuddy's jes gotta go out and round up the cows ... Head 'em up, Move 'em out, Rawhide ... Jon Gary Fuhrman wrote: Does this mean the cows are home now? No more, please! gary f. -Original Message- From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sent: 4-Sep

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Relation Theory

2014-09-04 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Relation_theory The article on k-adic relations deals with a higher level of generality than we usually need for triadic relations and sign relations, but it does provide a theoretical context for discussing the latter special cases and it

[PEIRCE-L] Skiourosemiosis

2014-09-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
| The resultant metaphysical problem now is this: | Does the man go round the squirrel or not? — William James, ''Pragmatism'' ☞http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Differential_Logic_and_Dynamic_Systems_2.0#Differential_Analysis_of_Propositions_and_Transformations Speaking of hiking ...

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
/2014 kl. 16.10 skrev Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.netmailto:jawb...@att.net: Re: Frederik Stjernfelt At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13886 Frederik, Yes, the orthogonality or independence of descriptive and normative sciences is noted by McCulloch in his opening lines

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
between logical consequence and temporal sequence … If the two were identical, mental processes probably would be unable to address contents different from those processes … Best F Den 04/09/2014 kl. 16.10 skrev Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.netmailto:jawb...@att.net: Re: Frederik Stjernfelt

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Howard Pattee At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13948 Peircers, Let me just say I told you so and let Howard's remarks stand as an example of the kinds of futile discussions I have known to arise in the past from using the word antipsychologism to describe

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-06 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, Since the subject keeps coming up, here is the first of the old posts Google threw up when I did the search linked in my reply to FS below: [Arisbe] Re: Critique of Short — News Flash — The N.O.N.-Psychological Jon Awbrey jawbrey at att.net Sat Jan 22 11:08:16 CST 2005 Previous

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Jeffrey Brian Downard At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13971 Jeff All, With regard to non-psychologism, it was a slip on my part to use that term. I don't think I've ever used it before. At any rate I will try to avoid using it again. It may sound like a

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread Patch: FS:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13825 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13826 JBD:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13971 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13974 Peircers,

[PEIRCE-L] A Well-Known Rock On Tour

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
neighbors, nor would it serve us well even if we succeed. Jon Awbrey October 16, 2000 http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Poems_Of_Emediate_Moment -- academia: http://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey my word press blog: http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/ inquiry list: http://stderr.org/pipermail

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Frederik Stjernfelt At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13977 Frederik, In the 70s I read as almost as much Frege and Russell as I did Peirce and I think I grasped Frege's attitude fairly well, along with the mess Russell made of just about everything he touched.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
protested the very idea of interpreting his position as a refusal to regard logic as a branch of psychology. Can you produce any evidence to back that up? gary f. -Original Message- From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sent: 8-Sep-14 11:05 AM Re: Frederik Stjernfelt At: http

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
/pragmatic-maxim/ Regards, Jon Jon Awbrey wrote: Gary, List, With regards to the following line of mine: | It has to do with projecting any Weltanschauung or ism on a thinker | who protested the very idea of interpreting his position in that way. I see that it is possible to parse that sentence

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Science On The Side

2014-09-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
Dear Frederik, I am more than gratified to find that you are beginning to appreciate the felicities of the adjective form “non-psychological” in pointing to a higher level of abstraction, or as I have often expressed it, the use of “non” as a generalizing functor. Regards, Jon

[PEIRCE-L] Consequences Of Triadic Relation Irreducibility

2014-09-09 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, I will have to be out of the loop for some days, but this post will give me a peg on which I can hang a few thoughts via mobile device that have been tugging at the edge of my mind for a while. Regards, Jon -- academia: http://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey my word press blog:

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Knowing how to be • through the eyes of a child

2014-09-11 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: StJ:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14024 SCR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14025 StJ:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14026 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14027

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Knowing how to be • through the eyes of a child

2014-09-11 Thread Jon Awbrey
), | Topobiology : An Introduction to Molecular Embryology, | Basic Books, New York, NY. Regards, Jon Jon Awbrey wrote: Stephens, Howard, All, The literatures that have been brought to bear and might be brought to bear on this area are indeed deep in their historical roots and richly ramified

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Consequences Of Triadic Relation Irreducibility

2014-09-13 Thread Jon Awbrey
Peircers, I am still a bit loopy from jumping through a triple of orthogonal loops and it's taking me longer to get back in the saddle than I thought it might, so let me just paste in passel of links to a collection of background materials I've referenced before, a lot of it

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Consequences of TRI • Discussion

2014-09-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
dictates. Best F Den 13/09/2014 kl. 05.41 skrev Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.netmailto:jawb...@att.net : Peircers, From time to time I come to the realization that there are ways of reading Peirce that make no sense to me. When I stop to think about the potential sources of that evident divergence

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Physics Semiosis

2014-09-14 Thread Jon Awbrey
| If mind is grounded in triadic relations | and reality is grounded in triadic relations | then what remains is to study the ways that | more mindful materials and less mindful materials | differ within the variety of triadic relations. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.inquiry/3979

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Physics Semiosis

2014-09-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
The cardin o't, the spinnin o't, The warpin o't, the winnin o't❢ ☞ FS:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13888 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13890 CG:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13998

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Consequences of TRI • Discussion

2014-09-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
wrote on hypostatic abstraction may go toward explaining what I mean by relativizing the roles of subject and predicate. http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2008/08/08/hypostatic-abstraction/ Regards, Jon Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: Dear Jon, lists - Den 15/09/2014 kl. 05.06 skrev Jon Awbrey jawb

[PEIRCE-L] Teridentity Triadic Sign Relation

2014-09-15 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Gary Richmond At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14086 Gary, A teridentity relation is the triadic extension of a simple identity relation. For example, suppose our object domain is the set O = {0, 1, 2, 3, 4}. The identity relation on O is the following set of

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Teridentity Triadic Sign Relation

2014-09-16 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: GR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14086 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14122 GR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14123 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14124 Gary All, The

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Teridentity Triadic Sign Relation

2014-09-16 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: GR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14086 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14122 GR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14123 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14124

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Teridentity Triadic Sign Relation

2014-09-17 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread: GR: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14086 JA: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14122 GR: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14123 JA: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14124 JA:

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