RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-05 Thread charles murray
Jeff, List - Thank you Jeff for your May 31 comments on Smyth and Peirce, directing attention to 8.123, and for fleshing out that text with your remarks on W8 selection 6 as well as other textual material. I'm afraid I haven't done the homework on Peirce's mathematics that you have. How

Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-02 Thread Benjamin Udell
- *From:* Benjamin Udell [bud...@nyc.rr.com] *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2014 12:42 PM *To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu *Subject:* Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person List, I did it again, I hit 'send' too soon, sorry. I'

Re: SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread John Collier
At 03:08 PM 2014-06-01, Benjamin Udell wrote: Søren, Gary R., list, Søren, you wrote, But logic is semiotics? And semiosis is a process of relations and therefore quite a lot self-organizing through an evolution of meaning? I'd say that it's with semiotics and semioses, as with statistics a

RE: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
ent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 12:42 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person List, I did it again, I hit 'send' too soon, sorry. I've added some text in red between asterisks at the end of my post. - Be

Re: SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Søren Brier [sb....@cbs.dk ] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:52 AM To: charles murray; Peirce List Subject: SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person - PEIRCE-L subscribers

SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Søren Brier
@list.iupui.edu; jeffrey.down...@nau.edu Emne: RE: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person Jeff, Søren, Charles list, I agree with your succinct analysis of this matter of the evolution of the self through self-control, Jeff, and especially your very well-stated

Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
f Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 ____________ From: Søren Brier [sb....@cbs.dk ] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:52 AM To: charles murray; Peirce List Subject: SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Benjamin Udell
assumptions into the normative sciences that will tend to bias our inquiry. --Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Søren Brier [sb....@cbs.dk] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:52 AM To: charles

RE: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Gary Richmond
y NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Søren Brier [sb@cbs.dk] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:52 AM To: charles murray; Peirce List Subject: SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person Charles and list But section 9.4 is not really about t

RE: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Søren Brier [sb@cbs.dk] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:52 AM To: charles murray; Peirce List Subject: SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and pers

SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-06-01 Thread Søren Brier
9, section on Mind, self, and person Soren - In writing you I took the subject to be section 9.4, discussion of which you might facilitate as emcee of chapter 9 as a whole. I apologize for any inconvenience or awkwardness, and appreciate your response. Best, Charles On May 29, 2014, at 12:42

RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-31 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
is passage, but I'm hoping that we might be able to use this diagram for reflecting on the semiotic relationship between particular manifestations of the self and the larger self of which each of us is just a part. --Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o

SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-31 Thread Søren Brier
on of categories. Any comment from your perspectives of Cyber-semiotics? Cheers Jerry Fra: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] Sendt: 29. maj 2014 21:45 Til: Søren Brier; Peirce List; charles murray Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self,

Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-31 Thread charles murray
Soren - In writing you I took the subject to be section 9.4, discussion of which you might facilitate as emcee of chapter 9 as a whole. I apologize for any inconvenience or awkwardness, and appreciate your response. Best, Charles On May 29, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Søren Brier wrote: I did rea

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Roberto Assagioli and psychosynthesis - the mode of therapy he created - recognize the existence of multiple personalities. He called them sub-personalities and propounded that integration lay in recognizing the needs and goals of competing sub-personalities and actually negotiating. He is one of t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-31 Thread charles murray
Kees, Gary, Jerry, List - Thank you for your very rich responses. I will continue to study them. Respecting time pressures alluded to in Kees' post, I hope I will be forgiven for taking the helpful replies in hand to extend my queries a little. First I emphasize Smyth's appreciation of t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-30 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
? Cheers Jerry > > Fra: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] > Sendt: 29. maj 2014 21:45 > Til: Søren Brier; Peirce List; charles murray > Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and > person > > Dear Soren, Charl

SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-30 Thread Søren Brier
y Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person Dear Soren, Charles, List: First, your post on your beliefs about the CSP and religion was, indeed, a very thoughtful post. We concur on many points of view here. Next, with regard to Aristotle and the general

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-29 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
ous that the differences > between the course, of which Peirce only uses the three, is not absolute. > > Cheers > > Søren > > Fra: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] > Sendt: 29. maj 2014 15:40 > Til: charles murray > Cc: Peirce Lis

SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-29 Thread Søren Brier
murray Cc: Peirce List Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person List, Charles: A brief comment on: On May 27, 2014, at 3:08 PM, charles murray wrote: Clarity about Peirce's view of this matter is especially important to me because I take seri

RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-29 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Charles, I can't offer a very cogent comment on your post because I have read neither Smyth nor Kees' paper that you mention, but after reading part 9.4 of the book again I'd like to flag a couple of the background issues. One is the relation between personhood and individuality. According to Pei

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-29 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Charles: A brief comment on: On May 27, 2014, at 3:08 PM, charles murray wrote: > Clarity about Peirce's view of this matter is especially important to me > because I take seriously Smyth's insistence that minds are introduced as > theoretical entities which have no power of efficient cau

Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-29 Thread charles murray
: charles murray Date: May 27, 2014 4:08:28 PM EDT To: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person Reply-To: charles murray List - As a first-time contributor, by way of introduction: I am a long time follower of peirce-l, especially appreciative

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-28 Thread charles murray
Thanks Ben - I overlooked the courtesy of including a reference to Kees' essay online. With your link members will be able to more easily respond to my points/questions about its content. Thus awakened I will add a link to an online version of Smyth's _Reading Peirce Reading_: http://we

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-27 Thread Benjamin Udell
Charles, list, Here's a link http://revistas.pucsp.br/index.php/cognitiofilosofia/article/view/13591 to the page containing a link to a PDF of the article that you mentioned, Kees de Waal's "Science Beyond the Self", _Cognitio_, v.7 n.1, 2006, pp.149-63). Best, Ben On 5/27/2014 4:08 PM, ch

[PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-27 Thread charles murray
List - As a first-time contributor, by way of introduction: I am a long time follower of peirce-l, especially appreciative of the recent de Waal seminar. My interest in Peirce dates from courses with Richard Smyth and I am most indebted to his work for such understanding as I have of thi