Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hacking actors

2001-07-10 Thread Stephen E Philion
Will they be able to do this with on-stage plays one wonders... steve On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doyle wrote: The computing problem of producing images (conversational agents) that are realistic in real time . . .is probably insurmountable. . . .is unrealistic about

Privatization dogma

2001-07-10 Thread ALI KADRI
The paragraph below is quoted from the web page of a typical developing government following the Washington concensus and underlines the Privatization dogma In addition, the Government is in process of preparing the privatization file for a number of sectors such as telecommunications and

Yet another take on Hubbert's peak

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Jim Devine wrote: In any event, people can and do figure out ways to use oil more efficiently each year. = In last December's Monthly Review (vol 52, no 7) John Bellamy Foster wrote a good article resurrecting the Jevons Paradox: Chapter Seven of The Coal Question was entitled 'Of the

Spookwatch

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Private Eye No. 1031 29 June - 12 July, 2001 In The Back: Hakluyt Watch Who exactly is Michael Maclay, director of Hakluyt, the mysterious intelligence agency exposed by the Sunday Times (17 June) as an employer of spies in the green and peace movements? Mr Maclay is an informative chap. He

Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim Devine wrote: In any event, people can and do figure out ways to use oil more efficiently each year. = In last December's Monthly Review (vol 52, no 7) John Bellamy Foster wrote a good article resurrecting the Jevons Paradox: Chapter Seven of The Coal Question was entitled 'Of the

Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Yoshie writes: In contrast, Mark's framework -- the second law of thermodynamics, the law of diminishing returns, etc. -- suggests that he thinks that the problem is not so much capitalism as industrialization that the solution is deindustrialization under socialism, substituting

New Labour and MI5

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Penners Michael Maclay gave a paper at a conference organised by the European Thematic Network in Political Science in Leiden, July 1999. His paper can still be accessed (http://www.epsnet.org/news/eurolei.htm). In it he describes his own career up to that point (sketchily of course), the work

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert'speak)

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: Unlike Mark, however, Foster doesn't argue against a possibility of a technological solution _under socialism Yoshie, please don't attribute to me things I have not said. As Michael Perelman might say, I can speak for myself. Mark Jones You might clarify your

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hacking actors

2001-07-10 Thread Ann Li
Thanks Doyle, for carrying the ball a bit further, that's what I meant. However, I think the commodification of that shared attention (as cooperative or uncooperative (not necessarily the game theory difference between SM and BD in the adult entertainment context)) will be a fruitful area of

Networks and niches, not nomenklatura

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
On 3 July Mark Jones wrote: Noam Chomsky has been saying that BAe has been taken over by the Americans and that there is now a split between Euro defence industry and Anglo-American defence industry, to mirror the big strategic divide. I haven't been able to find much for or against Chomsky; BAe

Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Yoshie writes: You might clarify your political program, then. If not deindustrialization labor-intensive production under socialism, what do you think would allow human beings to live with the constraints that you have us posit? Do you agree with Sweezy Foster that an energy revolution

Hardt-Negri's Empire: a Marxist critique, part 4 (conclusion)

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Forwarded from Louis Proyect: Hardt-Negri's Empire: a Marxist critique, part 4 (conclusion) Like a hot air balloon detached from its moorings, part four of Empire sails into the stratosphere with empty metaphysical speculation even more divorced from the material world than the preceding three

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert'speak)

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Keaney says: I won't speak for Mark, whose erudition in this matter is beyond reproach IMO, but I will say that, historically, it is capitalist development that has been the model. Even Lenin (and later Stalin, and now China) drank from the well dug by Taylor, Gantt et al. That is, what

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert'speak)

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie writes: You might clarify your political program, then. If not deindustrialization labor-intensive production under socialism, what do you think would allow human beings to live with the constraints that you have us posit? Do you agree with Sweezy Foster that an energy revolution will

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:58 PM 07/09/2001 -1000, you wrote: Here's another issue for possible consideration. Is the problem one of oil shortages given the stubborness of US car companies to not design autombiles that conserve greater amounts of gas? In fact, perhaps the argument could be made that we have way more

Yet another take on Hubbert's peak

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
Sam Pawlett said: Ok. I think I've nailed the problem: the energy base of capitalism is only sustainable as long as technological change and efficiency improvements offset the increasing marginal costs associated with exploiting the declining quality of the resource base, ((

Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Keaney Michael
Yoshie It's not clear to me that we disagree on anything substantive. The implication that I'm somehow having a go at Lenin is misplaced, because the point is not how mistaken Lenin was, but how constrained by his circumstances he was. Those circumstances included civil war and the unwarranted

news of the world

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Devine
I hadn't been paying attention, but there's a scandal a-brewing in Washington DC. Gary Condit, a Congresscritter from California has been accused of (1) having an affair with his intern/aide, Chandra Levy, who has dropped from sight; and (2) killing her. Well, not having totally purged my

RE: news of the world

2001-07-10 Thread Max Sawicky
The media here has been saturated with Condit/Levy for weeks, and JD has just found out. Fox news and the cable outfits are having a field day w/this stuff. Latest rumor is she may have gotten pregnant. Condit's wife was in town when she disappeared. Lots of circumstances, but no facts. By

Teamsters Convention

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
Teamsters Enter New Era With 26th Convention (Jul. 9, 2001) By Greg Tarpinian from ECONOMIC NOTES Putting the debacle of its divided 1996 Convention and scandal-plagued 1996 election behind it, the Teamsters union at its 26th International Convention, held June 25-29 in Las Vegas,

Re: RE: news of the world

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:03 AM 07/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: Jim, by the way, f.y.i. the Beatles have broken up, but they may do some recording separately. I'm willing to pay my entire life's savings if the four of those lads would get back together again to play a concert. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: news of the world

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Pugliese
Condit (D) R W R R R R W R W W 6 4 89 33 60% 73% AFL-CIO COPE rating http://www.aflcio.org/cgi-bin/member.pl?state=CApage=2id=36year=00congre ss=h 18 Condit (D) - + + - - - - - + + - + + + + + - - - + 50% http://adaction.org/ - Original Message - From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

For Another Europe, A Class Analysis of European Economic Integrationby G. Carchedi

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.versobooks.com/books/cdef/carchedi_europe.shtml

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert'speak)

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Keaney says: It's not clear to me that we disagree on anything substantive. The implication that I'm somehow having a go at Lenin is misplaced, because the point is not how mistaken Lenin was, but how constrained by his circumstances he was. Those circumstances included civil war and the

Re: news of the world

2001-07-10 Thread Nathan Newman
- Original Message - From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] One observer quoted in today's column by Bob Scheer in today's L.A. TIMES once said that Condit and the now-Attorney General John Ashcroft were the two most fundamentalist and conservative people in Congress. It might actually be an

Beatles, living standards, and military ties

2001-07-10 Thread Rob Schaap
I'm willing to pay my entire life's savings if the four of those lads would get back together again to play a concert. Alas, I doubt we shall see even three of 'em. George apparently now has cancer in his head. Oh, and having blitzed the 'citizens' contentment' poll and the 'perceived

Re: Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Devine
Michael Keaney says: It's not clear to me that we disagree on anything substantive. The implication that I'm somehow having a go at Lenin is misplaced, because the point is not how mistaken Lenin was, but how constrained by his circumstances he was. Those circumstances included civil war and the

IMF patronizes Japan

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
[NYT] July 10, 2001 I.M.F. Warning on Asian Recovery By DON KIRK SEOUL, South Korea, July 9 - A senior official for the International Monetary Fund warned today that the structural reforms demanded by Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of Japan could undermine long-term regional efforts to recover

Swoon gets interesting

2001-07-10 Thread Rob Schaap
I see that the Nasdaq is about to bust through 2000, and that they're beginning to get out of the finance sector now. Argentina's prospects are getting some suits a bit wet apparently. All Europe's fault, if the Yancqui G7 contingent are to be believed ...

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert'speak)

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Keaney says: It's not clear to me that we disagree on anything substantive. The implication that I'm somehow having a go at Lenin is misplaced, because the point is not how mistaken Lenin was, but how constrained by his circumstances he was. Those circumstances included civil war and the

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take onHubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Stephen E Philion
Michael, I'm not sure I agree. Yoshie isn't accusing Mark of not being a Marxist or not being a committed socialist or, even more ridiculously, supporting capitalism. Nor is she outright misquoting a person, just asking for clarification and/or making a challenge to someone w/o throwing out

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gold

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: what is meant by neutral with respect to interest rates? David Shemano writes: I mean that the Fed would stop its search for the holy grail of the perfect interest rate at any given moment of time. The Fed would not focus on the bond market, unemployment, capacity utilization, or any

Re: Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: in addition, Louis P. has argued (pretty convincingly) that the early Bolshevik regime was pretty ecologically-minded (especially by the standards of the day), until the rot set in says Yoshie: Many Greens understand the rot in question to be the ideology of productivism, but I

Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the extraction of fossil fuels is a messy process, threating water supplies and other scarce resources. ((( CB: A helpful summary review, Michael. In what sense is water a scarce resource ?

Fwd: [marxistphilosophy] garage giveaway: HALDEMAN-JULIUS other left publications

2001-07-10 Thread Justin Schwartz
From: Ralph Dumain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [marxistphilosophy] garage giveaway: HALDEMAN-JULIUS other left publications Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:12:41 -0400 A request came to me for disposition of this material; anyone out there know who

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Perelman
Water is and is not renewable. Once it becomes contaminated, it can be very expensive to reclaim. On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the extraction of fossil

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the extraction of fossil fuels is a messy process, threating water supplies and other scarce resources. ((( CB: A helpful summary review, Michael. In what sense is water a scarce

World economy

2001-07-10 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
*-*-*-* Tuesday July 10, 11:04 am Eastern Time German Growth Prediction Is Slashed Leading Economic Institute Slashes Its Growth Forecast for Germany By HANS GREIMEL AP Business Writer FRANKFURT, Germany (AP) -- Shaking confidence in Europe's ability to stave off recession, a leading

S. Hersh on Exxon/Mobil and Kazakhstan Oil

2001-07-10 Thread michael pugliese
July 9th New Yorker magazine. Subsequent issue, E. Kolbert on Kathy Boudin and the Weather Underground. Michael Pugliese

RE: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread michael pugliese
Re: H20 The secret Knowledge of Water, by Craig Childs, www.sasquatchBooks.com From: Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/10/01 11:42:56 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the extraction of fossil

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 02:42PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 12:27AM Also, despite the fantasies of W. and his boss from Wyoming, the extraction of fossil fuels is a messy process, threating water supplies and other scarce resources. ((( CB: A helpful summary review, Michael.

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 02:28PM Water is and is not renewable. Once it becomes contaminated, it can be very expensive to reclaim. ( CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ? On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Perelman
Absolutely, the design of cars, the construction of housing, the location of housing, and a multitude of other factors affect the rate of depletion. I believe that the point that Mark is making is that even if we were to make enormous improvements in such areas, even if we find a way to drive

Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
((( CB: A helpful summary review, Michael. In what sense is water a scarce resource ? I sure hope it's renewable. = unless you have a quantum computer that can synthesize H20 from a bunch of probability amplitudes in mass quantities don't count on it. :-) :-) Ian

Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ? On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote: = What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into the atmosphere [atmofractal :-)] and killing people? Ian

Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
(( CB: Our use of H 0 doesn't break it down chemically like oil and gas, yes ? 2 The amount of water on earth remains constant , no ? == CB, 1]Yes, but the problem is undoing the chemical bonds of stuff that attaches to it easily, yet costs a

oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 03:57PM CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ? On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote: = What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into the atmosphere [atmofractal :-)] and killing people?

RE: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread michael pugliese
Re: Design of Cars: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (at Ohio State University, are you here today, Yoshie, Young Communist League chapter at OSU!) on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, just said that the East German cars were biodegradable! True? Michael Pugliese From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: Absolutely, the design of cars, the construction of housing, the location of housing, and a multitude of other factors affect the rate of depletion. I believe that the point that Mark is making is that even if we were to make enormous

Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Les Schaffer
Charles said: The amount of water on earth remains constant , no ? http://www.sprl.umich.edu/GCL/Notes-1999-Winter/freshwater.html CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ? the problem is to heat ALL that water up from 60 degrees F, say, to some much higher temperature to make

Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another takeon Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Brad DeLong
And there is much capitalist industry that can, without great disagreement among socialists, be decommissioned. That pertaining to the military sector would be a good place to start. Michael K. Military spending is 2% of OECD GDP, of which only 1/4 is the procurement of products that are

Re: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
(( CB: I didn't know about the chemically bonding contamination. How much is contaminated ? Sounds like a small percentage . How about taking a bunch of hydrogen and oxygen and combining it to make new water ? === That's where the Star Trek technology comes in. You'd need a

Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/01 03:57PM CB: Can't one just heat it and let it evaporate ? On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:13:10PM -0400, Charles Brown wrote: = What will you do to trap the toxic chemicals from diffusing into the atmosphere [atmofractal :-)] and killing people?

Re: Re: Deindustrialization? (was Re: Yet another take on Hubbert's peak)

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Perelman
The last sentence is unnecessary. On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 02:01:30PM -0700, Brad DeLong wrote: And there is much capitalist industry that can, without great disagreement among socialists, be decommissioned. That pertaining to the military sector would be a good place to start. Michael K.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
CB: I didn't know about the chemically bonding contamination. How much is contaminated ? Sounds like a small percentage . How about taking a bunch of hydrogen and oxygen and combining it to make new water ? === That's where the Star Trek technology comes in. You'd need a quantum

Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Tim Bousquet
While pollution of water supplies is an issue in some locations, the real issue is building and maintaining a distribution system. We're pretty much maxxed out in CA, although there's some crazy proposals out there to do things like double the size of Shasta Lake and build an

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mark, given all that you have said, your estimation of the difference between people like yourself, moi, yoshie, or doug, it turns out is really not that great after allfor better or worse... Steve On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Mark Jones wrote: Stephen E Philion wrote: I'd be curious to know

Fw: ExxonMobil: Under Fire

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Pugliese
PEN-L folks like Gene Coyle ought to be on the rolodex at IPA. Michael Pugliese Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Tuesday,

Re: Swoon gets interesting

2001-07-10 Thread Tom Walker
Have a peek (but you might have to do some delving): http://www.uniondues.com/ Tom Walker Bowen Island, BC 604 947 2213

Re: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 2001

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
I've been looking over the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) annual report: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 2001: Making new technologies work for human development, published today on the UNDP website: http://www.undp.org/hdr2001/ It is a paean of praise to the globalising

Knowledge for the poor

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
Medical journals give free access to poor Sarah Boseley Tuesday July 10, 2001 The Guardian Six of the world's leading medical publishers pledged yesterday to allow free access to their scientific journals, via the internet, to those in the poorest countries who could not otherwise afford them.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hacking actors

2001-07-10 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Econo Mysts, Wrapping up with conversing with Eric, Eric Nillson writes I'm not sure, but we might be talking about different things. It appears you are talking about the creation of a cyber actor which could, in theory, act on the stage, live, while people watch. I'm talking about

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Pugliese
http://www.factservices.org/html/1999.html#lcsc Labor/Community Strategy Center (LCSC) $30,000 Contact: Eric Mann, Director 3780 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 1200 Los Angeles, CA 90010 Telephone: (213) 387-2800 Fax: (213) 387-3500 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web address: www.thestrategycenter.org or

Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Stephen E Philion
That's right, the bus riders' union page is http://www.busridersunion.org/index.html steve On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: He was, if I am not mistaken, the main organizer of the Los Angeles Bus Riders Union -- an almost impossible task. On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 11:45:46PM

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: oil predictions

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Perelman
My doubts were about whether he should be called the MAIN organizer. On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 04:12:20PM -1000, Stephen E Philion wrote: That's right, the bus riders' union page is http://www.busridersunion.org/index.html steve On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: He was, if I

Old-Fashioned Doctoring Keeps Cubans Healthy

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Los Angeles Times July 9, 2001 http://www.latimes.com/print/health/20010709/t56343.html Los Angeles Times July 9, 2001 Old-Fashioned Doctoring Keeps Cubans Healthy By SARAH LUNDAY, Special to The Times HAVANA--In the office of Dr. Alex Carreras near downtown Havana, water drips from a

International Trade as Constitutional law

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
http://www.ejil.org/journal/Vol12/No1/art1.pdf Abstract International trade is undergoing a transformation commonly referred to as 'constitutionalization'. Despite the ubiquity of the phrase, its meaning remains ambiguous and its significance underexplored. The purpose of this article is to

Re: International Trade as Constitutional law

2001-07-10 Thread Michael Perelman
Didn't international law evolve out of the rules that traders established (lex mercatoria)? On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 10:03:31PM -0700, Ian Murray wrote: http://www.ejil.org/journal/Vol12/No1/art1.pdf Abstract International trade is undergoing a transformation commonly referred to as

Re: Re: International Trade as Constitutional law

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
Didn't international law evolve out of the rules that traders established (lex mercatoria)? Externalizing/socializing the costs of protection via the struggle to mitigate the contradictions between advantage and neutrality/impartiality in juridical norm making. Ian

Re: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 2001

2001-07-10 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
I've been looking over the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) annual report: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 2001: Making new technologies work for human development, published today on the UNDP website: http://www.undp.org/hdr2001/ It is a paean of praise to the globalising

Re: Re: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 2001

2001-07-10 Thread Ian Murray
I've been looking over the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) annual report: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT REPORT 2001: Making new technologies work for human development, published today on the UNDP website: http://www.undp.org/hdr2001/ It is a paean of praise to the