On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 04:47, hameed afssari wrote:
> Microsoft Lunar Hijri calendar is based on Calculation of Saudi
> Arabian Authority and not Kuwait ...
I can't confirm that. Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar
where it specifically mentions that: Microsoft uses the "Ku
On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:05, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> The fact that Iranian authorities in this regard act as if they are
> directly appointed by God is another story...
Don't get hot, please.
roozbeh
PS: Where is this admin hat? I left it just here last time! :'-(
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On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 10:25, C Bobroff wrote:
> Is there any way to type a hyphen
> that will resist break-up during wrapping?
Use the "Insert | Symbol" menu in MS Word for lots of other things also,
copyright symbols, non-breaking spaces, longer dashes, ...
roozbeh
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On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> Hi Omid and Connie,
>
> MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the
> length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or
> minus two days -- true but not very useful. [...]
Hi Hooman,
The Hijri calendar introduced in MSDN does not
Hello,
I am slow these days to answer, sorry for that; I'm getting over the
exams now. I read the mailings for the last few days about the calendar.
It's nice to see new and knowledgeable friends like Hooman Mehr and
Ordak D. Coward taking part here. There were things new for me and mixed
up a bit
On Thu, 20 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> I'll write some crime stories. But don't expect anything this week, I
> am very busy.
OK! But if we are to properly judge your confession of past crimes, be
sure to not leave out any details and please start from the beginning. You
know, the glaciers were
Hi Connie,
OK, white flag up!
I'll write some crime stories. But don't expect anything this week, I
am very busy.
Hooman
On May 20, 2004, at 2:16 AM, C Bobroff wrote:
Dear Hooman,
I may move these stories to my pending
weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days.
Why should you move
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Behnam wrote:
> I don't see its use in Perso-Arabic script.
I meant both Latin input and output here.
The punishment for misunderstanding the question is that you have to
answer some Mac questions! (New form of flaming, hope you like it!) I'm
getting 1 or 2 Mac users per wee
On 19-May-04, at 1:55 AM, C Bobroff wrote:
Actually, all this off-topic mix of calendars and philosophy
has reminded me that when I was writing something (in English) a few
months ago on Al-Biruni, whenever his name came up at the end of the
line
in Word, it would wrap and so the "Al-" would be on
I don't see its use in Perso-Arabic script.
B.
On 19-May-04, at 5:38 PM, C Bobroff wrote:
U+2011 should definitely be part of the custom Perso-Arabic
transliteration keyboards. (Hint to Peter)
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Dear Hooman,
> I may move these stories to my pending
> weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days.
Why should you move to your weblog? I can't think of a better
place for the story of Persian computing than PersianComputing.
> One more thing, the reason that I may seem talented
On Wed, 19 May 2004, Behnam wrote:
> The Unicode character is U-2011, Non-Breaking Hyphen. If you don't have
> it on your keyboard, you may be able to use this information to type it
> with other tools or utilities.
As Ordak D. Coward reports, Ctrl-Shift-Hyphen instead of hyphen does
the trick in
Dear Connie,
Thank you very much for your interest and support. I will try to start
talking about such things soon. I may move these stories to my pending
weblog which hopefully will open in the next several days. When I start
the weblog I will announce it here. Although my limited time may
pre
Hi Ordak,
What you say makes perfect sense. I just didn't want to go into detail
of everything in this regard. Suffice it so say, in such cases people
come to agreement on establishing such authorities as part of their
civil society. I vaguely hinted this in my post. Such an authority
develops
Microsoft Word help says that you can do this by typing
Ctrl-Shift-Hyphen instead of hyphen.
--
ODC
On Tue, 18 May 2004 22:55:50 -0700 (PDT), C Bobroff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actually, all this off-topic mix of calendars and philosophy
> has reminded me that when I was writing something (
Actually, all this off-topic mix of calendars and philosophy
has reminded me that when I was writing something (in English) a few
months ago on Al-Biruni, whenever his name came up at the end of the line
in Word, it would wrap and so the "Al-" would be on one line and the
"Biruni" would go down to
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> On a second thought, I got reluctant
> to discuss this matter on the list. It would be way off topic.
> Moreover, I am afraid that whatever I say could be interpreted as
> political statement or religious evangelism and start flamewars.
Looks like Fortun
Dear Hooman,
I am not trying to be annoyingly responsive, it is just a bad habit!
What you said is fine, but I have to add that a calendar authority --
be it a person, a group, or just an algorithm -- is necessary in
resolving conflicts in observation of the date and time. For example,
if a cont
On May 18, 2004, at 2:48 AM, C Bobroff wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times)
look
very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason
behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason
On Tue, 18 May 2004 02:58:05 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
>
>
> > - Jalali vs Iranian. I strongly prefer Jalali, as it refers to a
> > spcific method of keeping dates regardless of the country it is used
> > in. For example, if
Hi Ordak,
Lemme welcome you to our list. Comments below.
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
> - As the lunar calendar in Iran is observation based, there is no way
> to have an exact conversion for a date in future to/from lunar
> calendar. However, it is possible to do so for past da
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Ordak D. Coward wrote:
> - Birashk's book. He had published a book on his work, if memory
> serves me, it was called 'taarikh-tatbighi-ye Iran'.
Looks like the English version of this book is on sale if you're
interested:
http://www.mazdapublishers.com/Comparative-Calendar.h
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote:
> Of course, it is possible to find the exact date, for example by looking
> at the archive of "Ettela'at" or "Kayhan" newspapers, and see when the
> date in their title changes. Unfortunately, I don't have access to them
> at the moment, maybe later.
ok,
practical and Civic( planning holidays,...) for this calendar.
>From: Roozbeh Pournader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Hooman Mehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'PersianComputing'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Iranian Calendar
>Date: Mon, 17 May
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Ali A Khanban wrote:
> "Shaahanshaahi calendar" was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357.
> It was simply a map:
> Add 1180 to "Iranian" calendar".
But is that the official name? I might have just made that up.
Abbreviations??
-Connie
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On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times) look
> very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason
> behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason or
> want to know it?
Please continue.
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> P.S.: Although Hijri calendar (and definition of the prayer times) look
> very strange and primitive, there is a very good philosophical reason
> behind it which makes sense once you know it. Do you know the reason or
> want to know it?
Yeah, the reason i
Hi,
Thank you for the refinements and clarifications. Maybe I've used to
the old Mac OS calendar API which used to correctly support dates way
before Gregorian calendar existed (even before Christian era). On the
other hand, even if you reduce my suggested number to 2000 days, you'll
find diffe
Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 15:39, Ali A Khanban wrote:
"Shaahanshaahi calendar" was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357.
When exactly? I know that not all of 1357 was known as "2537".
In Early 1357 it was abolished. Does it really matter? It is only a
historica
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:55, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> It comes upwith an initial estimate (or best guess) of the *adjusted*
> calendarwhich is usually only re-adjusted for Ramadan.
... and Shawwal.
> This pre-adjustedcalendar is not the same as the basic table in MSDN,
> nor the mostlyobservational H
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 02:13, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> I've heard they use the same
> calendar, is it right?
I've heard that they celebrate Nowrooz, like the Azerbaijani people, but
that's all. They use the Gregorian calendar.
roozbeh
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On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 18:56, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> I think we should avoid solar / lunar
> designations in the English name to make it more meaningful and less
> confusing for none-Iranians.
I don't agree. One can't reduce confusion by being less specific. People
who work on calendars already kno
On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 18:15, Omid K. Rad wrote:
> In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar,
> and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used.
I don't get you. Afghanistan clearly doesn't use a "Jalali" subtype.
Their current leap year algorithm is synced with the Gregorian system,
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 15:39, Ali A Khanban wrote:
> "Shaahanshaahi calendar" was introduced in 1355 and abolished in 1357.
When exactly? I know that not all of 1357 was known as "2537".
roozbeh
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On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 00:33, C Bobroff wrote:
> Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also
> about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert
We don't know that. Exact questions are: when exactly did the calendar
become official? And when did it cease to be the offici
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 01:41, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> You are self-conflicting yourself. I define consensus as 100%
> vote of the talking community, and again I say we have reached a
> consensus here.
Take a poll, then.
roozbeh
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Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also
about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert and what's its
official name was and abbreviations, if any? That will be nice if that
system also makes its way
Hi Omid and Connie,
MSDN way of specifying Hijri calendar is like saying the length of any month in Gregorian calendar is 30 days plus or minus two days -- true but not very useful. Alright my example is grossly exaggerated, but I mean to highlight my point.
The official "Iranian Islamic Calendar
Hi Behdad,
Very good. Agreed to "Iranian Calendar" and "Iranian Islamic Calendar".
Hooman
On May 17, 2004, at 12:01 AM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Hi Hooman,
Thanks for the question. I go with "Iranian Islamic Calendar".
I think Primary/Secondary and Solar/Lunar are both very bad
names. And Islamic m
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
> http://emr.cs.iit.edu/home/reingold/calendar-book/second-edition/CIIT.ht
> ml
Thanks. I took a look. Perhaps the Islamic calendars should provide the
time as well as the date and also say which time zone/region the calendar
is referring to.
I guess this
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Something no
> body said is the Tajik people. I've heard they use the same
> calendar, is it right?
Hang on a few days. I'll ask. -Connie
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Well, this calendar is used in Iran, is computed with Iranian
rules. Afghan calendar is completely different. Something no
body said is the Tajik people. I've heard they use the same
calendar, is it right?
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>
On Sat, 15 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
> Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere also
> about the Shaahanshaahi calendar and how to convert and what's its
> official name was and abbreviations, if any? That will be nice if that
> system also makes its way into online conver
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Hamed Malek wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list.
> > So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for the
> > term referring to the solar calendar in action in
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Would you please tell me why "Iranian" is not perfect?
Because it's hard to please everyone at all times. Maybe some Baluchi
tribesman won't appreciate being lumped with "Iranian." Maybe someone from
Afghanistan, not having heard this discussion and ho
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list.
> > So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for the
> > term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehra
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
>
> > "Iranian Calendar" is okay IMHO, but I like the "Persian Calendar"
> > better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more
> > countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar,
>
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
> "Iranian Calendar" is okay IMHO, but I like the "Persian Calendar"
> better for the name of the calendar system, since it covers more
> countries. In Iran we use the Iranian subtype of the Persian calendar,
> and in Afghanistan the Jalali subtype is used.
Title: Message
On Sun, 16 May 2004, C Bobroff
wrote:>> On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr
wrote:>> > The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an
official calendar and> > is calculated independent from other Hijri
calendars used in other> > islamic countries. It is an important
calendar,
Title: Message
Hi Hooman,
I'm working on the Persian
locale project for .NET. The Hijri calendar is considered as an optional
calendar that can be used for the locale of Iran. Its name is "Hijri
Calendar" and it's defined for all the Arabic and/or Islamic countries. Since
the Lunar Hijri c
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Hooman Mehr wrote:
> The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and
> is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other
> islamic countries. It is an important calendar, since it determines
> half of the holidays on our calendar. We al
Hi Hooman,
Thanks for the question. I go with "Iranian Islamic Calendar".
I think Primary/Secondary and Solar/Lunar are both very bad
names. And Islamic makes sense since that's what this calendar
is called in English, so ours is the *Iranian* Islamic Calendar.
And then "Iranian Calendar" and "I
On Sun, 16 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>
> > So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for
> > the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran,
> > right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian
> > Calendar, qu
Hi Behdad,
I have a question (targeting you and everybody else working on Persian
locale projects such as .Net)
The lunar Hijri calendar used in Iran is also an official calendar and
is calculated independent from other Hijri calendars used in other
islamic countries. It is an important calenda
On Sun, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for
> the term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran,
> right? So we forget about Jalali name, and call it Iranian
> Calendar, quite like Chinese, Japanese, and other countries.
"I
> What we should look for, is clear and reasonable objection.
> There hasn't been any such objection for "Iranian calendar".
I think it's the most reasonable term when you look at it from a foreigner's
point of view. They're not interested in what Jalali means, or the
astronomical details of the
On Sat, 15 May 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for the
> term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right?
"Iranian Calendar" does sound like the best choice.
Can you please be sure to mention in the documentation somewhere al
On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list.
> So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for the
> term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right?
I don't know. I know that we can't reach con
On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just trying to close an item in the long open agenda of the list.
> So we've reached a consensus on using "Iranian Calendar" for the
> term referring to the solar calendar in action in Tehran, right?
> So we forget about Jalali name, an
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