They went out of vogue about 1928 or so. The actual definition that the
car collectors use is a bit convoluted and has to do with age and
features. It is broken down into sub-groups. Brass radiator, gas
lights etc.
Steven Medved wrote:
My definition of an antique car is one that has wheels
My definition of an antique car is one that has wheels with wooden spokes.
> Wikipedia is a joke. The generally accepted definition of antique,
> classic, special interest etc as it relates to automobiles is listed in
> Hemmings Motor news and was dreamed up by the collector groups
> themsel
st
Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I once tried to ship a phonograph through UPS. When I tried to insure
it
for $1,000 they insisted that I haave an indipendent appraisal before
they
would insure it. This was before eBay so maybe things have chang
he U.S. if older than 25
years, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be
considered antiques.
From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I don't know about tariffs, but I've alwa
Wow. What a waste of energy, getting so defensive over a definition.
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:20:31 -0600
> From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
>
> The antique car crowd has very different ideas on wh
s, and some electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be
> > considered antiques.
> >
> >> From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> >> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +
> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
> &
+
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of
"antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique
by any definition.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600
From: rich
ssage-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:30 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen
anything close to
, I had
always heard 100 years too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique
Dan
- Original Message - From: "Rich"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I have seen the definition of age g
e forgot why the 100 year rule was in place and just
referred to anything 100 years old as an antique.
- Original Message -
From: "John Maeder"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
The
value of a given collection.
Or is the term "vintage" intended to fill the gap?
> From: lhera...@bu.edu
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:54:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
>
> Cars are considered officially antique at age
Cars are considered officially antique at age 25.
Ron L
-Original Message-
From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:30 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I have
s because they didn't meet the grade to be considered an
antique so not many people wanted them.
> From: steve_nor...@msn.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 19:18:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
>
>
> An item which is at least 50
value?
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I agree Peter. There are local UPS pack and ship stores that I have
utilized this same method. Pack the item and hand it over to them where
they box it for
t;
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Fraser
> To: Antique Phonograph List
> Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 1:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
>
> Actually UPS has a deal where if THEY pack it and there is a claim,
> they pay immediately, no questions asked. So
electronic gadgets of more recent vintage may be
considered antiques.
> From: esrobe...@hotmail.com
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:42:33 +
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
>
>
> I don't know about tariffs, but I've alwa
ue Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I have seen the definition of age greater than 100 but have never seen
anything close to 25 as being defined as antique.
Robert Wright wrote:
I don't know about tariffs, but I
ograph is an antique
by any definition.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600
From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
That will work for the items that you are willing to spend the time and
$$ shipping. I still would want to very caref
I don't know about tariffs, but I've always understood the definition of
"antique" to mean 25 years or older, not 100. A 1920 phonograph is an antique
by any definition.
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:26:39 -0600
> From: rich-m...@octoxol.com
> To: phono-l@oldcran
and ship store was resolved in about 7 - 10 days
for about $4500.00.
Ron
-Original Message-
From: Peter Fraser
To: Antique Phonograph List
Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
Actually UPS has a deal where if THEY pack it and there is a claim
r to collect from
FedEx since I've never had any damage from them to find out. FedEx also has
much shorter lines to stand in for some strange reason.
Greg Farmer
- Original Message - From: "Steven Medved"
To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l"
Sent: Friday,
age from them to find out. FedEx also
>> has much shorter lines to stand in for some strange reason.
>>
>> Greg Farmer
>>
>>
>> - Original Message ----- From: "Steven Medved"
>> To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l"
>> Sen
e "electronics" could result in a lot of problems in case of
damage.
Ray
- Original Message -
From: "john robles"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I must admit that I once
appened, I am sure Fedex
would have fought me on it. Since that time I haven't sent any phonographs
through FedEx ground, just other items.
John Robles
--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Bob wrote:
From: Bob
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Date: Saturd
"Steven Medved"
To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l"
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says
will be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2
t
I did better it only took me nine months to get paid for my horn and I had to
keep calling. The Smiths provided a repair estimate for me.
It is the attitude of UPS that bothered me the most. With the auto parts they
damaged the container of antifreeze which got the other parts wet, they ope
Rich"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
The last time I looked into the issue of "insurance" I found that the ONLY
shipping method that actually covered the value of an antique was USP
urance policies have been
changed. Thanks
- Original Message - From: "john robles"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I typically use Priority Mail or Fed Ex Ground. UPS has commonly da
u run
into this problem? I really like shipping with FedEx and would like to know
if the insurance policies have been changed. Thanks
- Original Message -
From: "john robles"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L]
i agree with you steve
and it took me over a year to get a settlement from them for a victor m
motor that was broken in transit
best to all
zono
In a message dated 1/1/2010 5:04:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steve_nor...@msn.com writes:
I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono tha
hi all
on bigger items, believe it or not, i have used greyhound and not had any
problem and its very cost effective
i agree on the fork lift problem
i had one victor one cabinet sent to me from vermont to florida that had a
gaping hole in the back of it from a fork lift and ups was the provide
lmost unimaginable. I double boxed a phonograph with tons
of packing material, yet in shipping part of the motor frame was broken. It
took awhile to get that claim paid.
John Robles
--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Abe Feder wrote:
From: Abe Feder
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
To: "Antique
Hi All,
I hate to tell all of you this but there is no magic bullet. I have been in
the art business for 35 years and have used FedX , UPS and others and the
fact is that you gotta build a box that will take just about any form of bad
treatment. One of my nephews grew up working 1st for FedX -4 yea
Steve-
FedEx does not always use kid gloves when handling packages. During
this past year I shipped a banner front Edison Home in 3 boxes with
each carefully packed to withstand any rough handling. One box was
for the case, one for the mechanism and one for the horn. The
mechanism was b
ved"
To: "phonolist" ; "Phono-l"
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Shipping phonographs
I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will
be sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and
a
UPS should be last resort. I was told FED EX still handles most packages by
hand. I took that to mean that they don't drop from conveyor belt to
conveyor belt. The post office does a great job and is much faster than both
of the private carriers. The Snap On tool guy gets his deliveries at my
shop.
I highly recommend if anyone purchases a phono that the seller says will be
sent UPS, ask them to send it Fed Ex ground. I have had 2 triumphs and an
order of auto parts damaged by UPS. UPS is wonderful for small, light parts,
but larger ones seem to get dropper or crushed by their automatic
m: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:51 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
The key word for FedEx and UPS is "rates and tarif". The USPS calls it the
"domestic
The key word for FedEx and UPS is "rates and tarif". The USPS calls it the
"domestic mail manual"
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:59:04 -0800, Loran T. Hughes wrote:
>Have you tried surfing ups.com and fedex.com for specific info? It's
>as bad/worse than finding something on microsoft.com!
>;)
>Lora
They have them posted on the internet site. That way you do not have to deal
with the uninformed
clerk. And, you are correct, there are limits.
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:28:36 -0800, Loran T. Hughes wrote:
>Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details. Anyone
>care to volunteer
lf Of Loran T. Hughes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:29 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
Like everything, I imagine that the devil is in the details. Anyone
care to volunteer to go down to UPS, FedEx, and USPS to get copies of
the insurance agree
Have you tried surfing ups.com and fedex.com for specific info? It's
as bad/worse than finding something on microsoft.com!
;)
Loran
On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Peter Fraser wrote:
> uh, "go down to..."? why not "surf to the sites of..."?
>
> On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Loran T. Hughes wro
You are running into the problem of the "local company employee staffed
customer service counter",
and "the local contract shipping center". This will happen with almost
anything except the post office.
Make a phone call to the home service center and ask or, better yet, go on the
internet a
Hi,
I used to ship a lot of antiques by FedEx ground. I found the
service was almost as fast as Priority Mail and considerably cheaper.
In Jan 2006 I took a very expensive phonograph to FedEx to ship to
Arizona by ground. To my surprise the clerk told me that the insurance
policy on ant
Pack and Send the company I use is a franchise and the owner of the store is
who packs the phonographs etc... for me. I stand there while things are being
packed too and watch as the item goes into the box.
Cheers,
Mario
> Andrew Baron wrote:
>
> My packaging store story is another reason n
You should look at it this way, You have helped take some idiot off of the
street and provide them with
a job. That is what your money went for as it definitely did not go for a
proper packing job, even when
instructions were provided. If you stand there and watch them , it goes better.
Rich
a very different vibe for employees.
>At the end of the day, they're (we're) all human, and where there's human,
>there's error.
>Best,
>Robert
>- Original Message -
>From: "Rich"
>To: "Antique Phonograph List"
>Sent: Thur
My packaging store story is another reason not to rest easy when
using professional pack-ship places.
I was having a mahogany Herzog cylinder phonograph cabinet shipped,
which was taken to a store to be packed. This is one of the models
with the interleaving shelves and rounded front (710).
both of which may have a very different vibe for employees.
At the end of the day, they're (we're) all human, and where there's human,
there's error.
Best,
Robert
- Original Message -
From: "Rich"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Thursda
OK, Here is my opinion on the "packaging store" it is real simple, a basic
waste of mony. I have yet to
see a decent job come out of one of those places. How do you expect a low buck
clerk to have any idea
on how to pack a phono? It does provide a small layer of insurance that the
final ca
saving a $5000 machine!
- Original Message -
From: "Albert"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
> I'm with Mario: If I sell a phonograph I take it to a packaging store and
&g
aging services
at the show, so if you fly in, you better know somebody who will bring it
back for you.
- Original Message -
From: "Mario Frazzetto"
To: "Antique Phonograph List"
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
&g
t and then
there is really little question that it is well packed. I only do this for
delicate and/or more expensive items.
Cheers,
Mario
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Stitt"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 5:35 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] shipping phonographs
> One o
One of the reasons ( of many ) I don't buy phonographs on eBay is it
breaks my heart to hear of yet another phonograph lost to shipping. I
can't afford to take that hit.I'm old school. Go to shows, go to Union.
Hey it is fun to meet others. At shows like Union if you do it right you
might just
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