Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
Where else should someone post something like this? I think that more appropriately if should be on the php-general list but this is php related. I would not be hearing you complain if he said that he was posting the code for free. BTW all the open source carts out there really suck. I guess you get what you pay for. Rick At 08:41 AM 4/10/01 +0200, B. van Ouwerkerk wrote: development (good price if you buy now). Top notch OO coding garenteed. go to firegarden.com and click the email link for more info. Why are you spamming this list shoppingcart FOR SALE?? There are LOTS of very very good shoppingcarts for FREE.. anyone interested should take a look at sourceforge.. devshed.com or any scripts repository. I don't have any problem if you earn money selling your cart. If people want to pay for it.. well.. that's up to them. But you should NOT spam this or any other list with your adds. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Rick St Jean, # [EMAIL PROTECTED] # President of Design Shark, # http://www.designshark.com/, http://www.phpmailer.com/ # Quick Contact: http://www.designshark.com/messaging.ihtml # Tel: 905-684-2952 ## -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
Where else should someone post something like this? NOT cause it's SPAM. spam (spm) n. Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail. This obviously was not sent to a hundred addresses indiscriminantly and is related to the nature of the list. therefore is not SPAM. I would not be hearing you complain if he said that he was posting the code for free. If he would post a message with a new FREE cart.. no you wouldn't. Changes are I would even help him to create docs .. add functions.. give support.. BTW all the open source carts out there really suck. I guess you get what you pay for. There are quite a few very good ones.. but you have to search. I'll give you one hint: look at www.php.net there's a link.. I have searched. I work for an ecommerce company. I have looked at the market very thoroughly. The carts suck. If you are happy with them then that is fine. But I know that none of the carts out there have anywhere near the functionality that ours does. They will get you through if you can't afford anything else, but they are not well designed or have what people store want. They do not support the number of operating systems that we do, and are no where near as easy to install. You get what you pay for.. right.. you don't pay for Linux, you don't pay for PHP, MySQL, PostgreSQL and many other products your using. Do you believe they suck too It is a matter of preference... I think that linux and postgres are really cool. MySQL bites. :-P I am not saying that all open source stuff suck, just the open source php merchants. My comment was directed at the merchant. I believe in opensource since it's the only way you can tweak things enough to fit in your setup or design.. You can add functionality to opensource.. share your code with others who can add more to it.. And have lots of fun.. Open source is not the only way. With our merchant you get the source code to modify and suit your needs. Not only that... we maintain and provide updates. We do not leave people hanging. We add features that our customers want and we fix the bugs in the code, and support installs. Try getting that with opensource. There are user groups and mailing lists, which will try and help you through but there is nothing that beats, support. We provide documentation, installations, and free support by the people who wrote the thing in a timely manner. I'm not stopping you from buying everything you need.. Go ahead and buy .. Remember.. having to pay for something doesn't guarantee the quality. Bye, B -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale - oh dear
i've just read the rest of the mails and must admit i am more than dismayed. the shopping cart is SIMPLE, and if you can be bothered is easy to set up and code. That is if you know how to develop. It is easy for a developer. but most people who want a store are not developers. store want. They do not support the number of operating systems that we do, and are no where near as easy to install. what operating systems do you support ? all the operating systems that php runs on perhaps ? web servers running on Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0 Intel machines as well as Windows 95. It is also supported on SCO UNIXWARE 7.x (not SCO OPENSERVER), FreeBSD, BSDI (4.x only), Linux on Intel, Cobalt (RAQ2, RAQ3 or RAQ4 only) and Solaris on Sparc (not Intel), Netscape, Zeus and Apache 1.36 and above. On Windows, it will run on NSAPI/ISAPI compliant (Apache, Zeus, Netscape, Microsoft, O'Reilly) web servers. The current installation program supports Netscape Commerce, Communications, Fasttrack, Enterprise, Apache, Microsoft IIS and Personal Web Servers as well as O'Reilly Web Site Professional. A new CGI loader now allows it to run on servers that do not have an API. We call this the CGIAPI and effectively gives non-API web servers the speed benefits. Not only that... we are Rock Solid on IIS, which php is not. I do know what I am talking about. You get what you pay for.. right.. you don't pay for Linux, you don't pay for PHP, MySQL, PostgreSQL and many other products your using. Do you believe they suck too It is a matter of preference... I think that linux and postgres are really cool. MySQL bites. :-P I am not saying that all open source stuff suck, just the open source php merchants. My comment was directed at the merchant. what's an open source merchant ? what we are talking about and open source e-commerce product. Open source is not the only way. With our merchant you get the source code to modify and suit your needs. Not only that... we maintain and provide updates. We do not leave people hanging. We add features that our customers want and we fix the bugs in the code, and support installs. Try getting that with opensource. There are user groups and mailing lists, which will try and help you through but there is nothing that beats, support. We provide documentation, installations, and free support by the people who wrote the thing in a timely manner. you've just described open source products pretty well. you get all that with open source without NEEDING your merchant. no you don't. You get the information if someone responds. When does someone install something on your machine or use remote access to fix an installation problem that you caused. You have no idea what you talking about. i'm afraid that this seems to be another way for people to climb on the back of open source products and try and cream a living from seeling something that is/was/should be free. I don't have a problem with open source. But to say that open source is better all the time is non-sense, especially when you do not know that product that I am talking about. I know for a fact that as of right now there is NO -- can you read this?? free ecommerce product that has as many features as our product. If you do not believe me then check out. www.ihtmlmerchant.com mercent.inline.net/store1 Now when you have checked this out you can apologize for your ignorance. If you don't believe that our support is tops. Then you can ask our users. true, if you've invested time and want compensating for that time then charge. but don't pretend it's better, or unique, or that you offer anything that can't be found for no cost. Steve -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
Just looked at the shopping-cart-website... Where is this e-maillink for more info?? ORIGINAL Hello all, PHP\MySQL shopping cart for sale www.firegarden.com/cart/ still under development (good price if you buy now). Top notch OO coding garenteed. go to firegarden.com and click the email link for more info. Rob -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
This obviously was not sent to a hundred addresses indiscriminantly and is related to the nature of the list. therefore is not SPAM. I'm still considering it SPAM. Perhaps not by the definition you use but it's ment to sell a product.. else, but they are not well designed or have what people store want. They do not support the number of operating systems that we do, and are no where near as easy to install. The quality of a cart is not defined by the numbers of operatings it's supporting. The cart I'm talking about can be installed within 5 minutes if you already know the cart. Otherwise it takes you 15-30 minutes. The old docs did suck.. I wrote a new one and started writing a complete howto on that particular cart. Some free products may need additional work. But that goes for commercial products too. updates. We do not leave people hanging. Most opensource products I know don't either.. True, you need to do more work on your own. I think your experience with opensource is different from mine. It's clear you're defending yourself, although I don't know why. I've seen enough products I paid for and still the support sucks.. The free usergroups may know more then the paid support does.. A choice for buying a product or using opensource is not always a matter of how much you can or want to pay. IF you know how to write code you could always join with the developers op opensource and create a better product. Otherwise you may help them by writing docs, test and point them to bugs/errors or just ask for features.. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
At 11:17 10-4-01 +0200, Bart A. Verbeek wrote: Just looked at the shopping-cart-website... Where is this e-maillink for more info?? Do yourself a favor. Take a look at www.fishcart.org it's free.. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
This obviously was not sent to a hundred addresses indiscriminantly and is related to the nature of the list. therefore is not SPAM. I'm still considering it SPAM. Perhaps not by the definition you use but it's ment to sell a product.. This is dead. By dictionary definition... it is not spam. What you call it is up to you. else, but they are not well designed or have what people store want. They do not support the number of operating systems that we do, and are no where near as easy to install. The quality of a cart is not defined by the numbers of operatings it's supporting. The cart I'm talking about can be installed within 5 minutes if you already know the cart. Otherwise it takes you 15-30 minutes. The old docs did suck.. I wrote a new one and started writing a complete howto on that particular cart. Some free products may need additional work. But that goes for commercial products too. It is defined by how it can satisfy the needs of a customer. And I am saying that do it better then any open source product which competes with ours. You seem to be fixated on the fact that I am attacking the open source movement. I am not. What I am doing is comparing the products. IF you know how to write code you could always join with the developers op opensource and create a better product. Otherwise you may help them by writing docs, test and point them to bugs/errors or just ask for features.. I can, and sometimes do, however there is nothing wrong with creating something that can fulfill a demand, and charge for it. Not everything that I do will be charged for, but I also have a little girl that wants to be fed, and the open source movement doesn't supply food yet. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
If you are looking for something that is free goto http://www.phpshop.org/ by http://www.edikon.com/ This is the best free product that I could find. At 11:18 AM 4/10/01 +0200, B. van Ouwerkerk wrote: At 11:17 10-4-01 +0200, Bart A. Verbeek wrote: Just looked at the shopping-cart-website... Where is this e-maillink for more info?? Do yourself a favor. Take a look at www.fishcart.org it's free.. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
At 12:23 PM 4/10/01 +0200, B. van Ouwerkerk wrote: It is defined by how it can satisfy the needs of a customer. And I am saying that do it better then any open source product which competes with ours. You seem to be fixated on the fact that I am attacking the open source movement. I am not. What I am doing is comparing the products. I've seen many opensource carts and most of them don't come close to what I want to use.. or what I want my customers to use. If you look at paid for sources you will hit closer to the mark. I think you're not using the right arguments in favor of a paid product compared to opensource.. I consider some of them false.. but perhaps the company you work for has a much better support.. You should not compare in general.. I can understand why some people prefer a commercial product above.. But support is not always the best argument.. No that is not what I said. If you go back and read I have been referring to merchants. I know that the company I work for has outstanding support. They are an exception. But if a company doesn't give you what you want go somewhere else. That is the rule of business. I find that most open source doesn't have great support either, and a company that charges for something will have more features that I want/need because if not then I will go somewhere else, and they have dedicated people on it. Generally the open source side of things has developers who work on it in their spare time. Which leads to longer delays then commercial. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to fight a M$ product.. with it's 'great support'. no one has ever attributed M$ with great support, not many companies operate like them... if they do they go out of business. M$ is where they are because of a their money and diversification. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale - oh please ....
the wonderful thing about open source is that generally you are speaking to people that are FAR more qualified and FAR cleverer. you remind me a lot of someone (and i can name a lot of developers) who has something and is convinced that they are immediately superior because of this 'something' that they have. don't apologise. as i will not (as requested in your ealier mail). open source needs to be kept free of people like yourself. otherwise nothing will ever change. Steve -Original Message- From: Rick St Jean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 April 2001 10:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale - oh boy I have to apologize for how harsh that email was. I am not knocking the open source movement. I am a part of it, and I think that it is great. It drives me nuts when I have to buy some new software, and there are times when I will use something that is free instead. My points simply are: 1. open source is great. 2. open source is not always better. 3. paid products are not always better. 4. right now, php lacks what I would call a good e-commerce product. They have many products that will do. but nothing is good or outstanding. 5. it is 5 in the morning ... I can't sleep and I am cranky. 6. I guess everyone needs to do what is best for them. Rick -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale -ohmygod
Okay boys easy now - let's just get on with what we know best eh?? - developing. Russ #---# "Believe nothing - consider everything" "Web Developers do it on-the-fly." Russ Michell Anglia Polytechnic University Webteam www.apu.ac.uk/webteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0)1223 363271 ext 2331 www.theruss.com #---# -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale -ohmygod
My sentiments exactly - go find a PHP chat room to argue in!! Lisa -Original Message- From: Russ Michell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:00 PM To: Steve Brett Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rick St Jean Subject: Re: RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale -ohmygod Okay boys easy now - let's just get on with what we know best eh?? - developing. Russ #---# "Believe nothing - consider everything" "Web Developers do it on-the-fly." Russ Michell Anglia Polytechnic University Webteam www.apu.ac.uk/webteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 (0)1223 363271 ext 2331 www.theruss.com #---# -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
No that is not what I said. If you go back and read I have been referring to merchants. I know that the company I work for has outstanding support. They are an exception. But if a company doesn't give you what you want go somewhere else. The only disadvantage: they already got my money. I don't mind to pay for something as long as it's really good and better then a free product. I find that most open source doesn't have great support either, and a company that charges for something will have more features that I want/need because if not then I will go somewhere else, and they have dedicated people on it. This depends on the kind of support you expect. I see lots of messages here, on the MySQL and on the ProFTPD list saying I want to do this but how.. The answer might be read a book or people are pointed to online documentation, or just RTFM. For someone like me, and quite a few others on this list, support the way you're company provides it is not needed.. Generally the open source side of things has developers who work on it in their spare time. Which leads to longer delays then commercial. I don't know if that's true. Opensource has more developers.. if say 10 people work on a project it might even become available sooner then a commercial product.. For most endusers support and easy to use/install are important reasons to buy a product.. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale
apologies to the group. B. i completely agree with what you say. -Original Message- From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 April 2001 13:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DB] Robust OO Shopping Cart 4 sale No that is not what I said. If you go back and read I have been referring to merchants. I know that the company I work for has outstanding support. They are an exception. But if a company doesn't give you what you want go somewhere else. The only disadvantage: they already got my money. I don't mind to pay for something as long as it's really good and better then a free product. I find that most open source doesn't have great support either, and a company that charges for something will have more features that I want/need because if not then I will go somewhere else, and they have dedicated people on it. This depends on the kind of support you expect. I see lots of messages here, on the MySQL and on the ProFTPD list saying I want to do this but how.. The answer might be read a book or people are pointed to online documentation, or just RTFM. For someone like me, and quite a few others on this list, support the way you're company provides it is not needed.. Generally the open source side of things has developers who work on it in their spare time. Which leads to longer delays then commercial. I don't know if that's true. Opensource has more developers.. if say 10 people work on a project it might even become available sooner then a commercial product.. For most endusers support and easy to use/install are important reasons to buy a product.. Bye, B. -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
