If I am misusing this list incorrectly, I apologize.
I am the author of MSession and the PHP msession extension. I just
finished up productizing a recommendations engine for e-commerce
sites. I need a few sites with a good customer history willing to be my
testers and example sites.
I'll
Changes committed will conflict with creation of a PHP binary using
MSession and Phoenix prior to Jan 17, 2003.
If you wish to continue using the older version of MSession, you will
need to revert msession.c, reqclient.h, and php_msession.h.
Using 1.2 msession gives you higher performance, a
I want to conduct a survey of the various behaviors of sessions as used
by PHP.
Specifically, I am wrapping up some new features on msession, and I would
like to come up with a more realistic test suite for the system. Some of
the questions are obviously hard to nail down, but any input
Dan Allen Wrote:
Tomas V.V.Cox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Stig S. Bakken wrote:
You tell me :) We currently have no nice way of bootstrapping PEAR
on Windows like we have on Unix (with make install-pear-installer
and go-pear). What would be the most sensible way of giving
John Lim Wrote:
If the cluster cannot handle the load, then the queues will just get
longer and longer. It's interesting that mlwmohawk asked about this
because msession is a lightweight session handler without rdbms
overhead. Similarly queuing is used instead of a real database
Peace through superior firepower? That's a trademarked american
concept at the moment, I think.
Kristian
Can we please keep the anti-american comments to ourselves.
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This was a great post, it says what I tried to say but lacked the
eloquence with which to say it.
Perhaps I am showing my age, but it seems these progammatic style
issues are common with developers with less experience. I remember
coding assembly language with pencil, hex-code sheet, and
John Lim Wrote:
Hi,
I like the PHP language the way it is with some exceptions. Private
members and methods are essential from a security view-point, and
perhaps
application variables, but that's about it. My main problem with PHP's
direction is that it seems stuck at the low-end
I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional
arrays, what sorts of things can you do in Java which can not be done
in PHP?
I'm actually curious about the multidimensional arrays point. Exactly
what do you mean? PHP can obviously do $a[1][2][3][4]...
Maybe it
I am curious, besides some language quarks, like multidimentional
arrays, what sorts of things can you do in Java which can not be done
in PHP?
I'm actually curious about the multidimensional arrays point. Exactly
what do you mean? PHP can obviously do $a[1][2][3][4]...
Maybe it
Jani Taskinen wrote:
I'm not that familiar with Java..so it would be nice to hear
what Java offers that PHP doesn't?
Private members and methods, interfaces, Application Servers, Beans,
Enterprise Beans.
And coming back to the original topic of this thread: perfect support
There are also a number of people for whom the above is not enough.
They strive for the possibilities the Java platform offers, without
being forced to develop in a closed-source environment. As I said
before, I really like Java as a language, but don't want to use the
Java
Stig S. Bakken Wrote:
But that is what you'll never get with PHP. Just look at how fast
creating objects is in Java. Java revolves aroun on objects, they are
created and destructed implicitly during execution of overloaded
operators and everything. PHP has a _much_ higher cost for
Sebastian Bergmann Wrote:
I love PHP, but I would like to design and implement my application
the same way I could do with Java.
I think this is the problem. PHP is not Java, so it follows you would
probably need a different approach.
When I code something in assembler,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it possible to configure the PHP session system to use a
dynamically loaded session manager?
I am loading the extension, but the session extension seems to try to
initialize itself prior to the dynamic extension being loaded.
This is the one of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:20 25/05/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marginalizing this capability IMHO is not the right direction, I
think there should, in fact, be a stronger push for this sort of
capability to be built in by default.
Agree with that too... but if
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with using databases are they they are expensive and they
are slow.
A generalized PostgreSQL session manager would be cool, I have
actually been thinking about such an extension. Using the schema from
the PG msession plugin, it would be fairly
Steve Meyers wrote:
Well, you didn't try it with MySQL, which is significantly faster than
Oracle and Postgres for most stuff. In any case, I agree that
msession is probably a better solution -- I just think that having
built-in MySQL session support would be a good thing for PHP.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MySQL's table locking during update pretty much make sure that
performance will degrade under heavy load with many connections.
It's not actually as bad as you think. With a table like this, the
table locking actually has a very minimal effect on it.
In
Is it possible to configure the PHP session system to use a dynamically loaded session
manager?
I am loading the extension, but the session extension seems to try to initialize
itself prior to the
dynamic extension being loaded.
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I kind of went off in a huff yesterday with the whole PECL/pear issue with
msession, it's over and lets move on. I did, however, want to explain *why*
I think msession should be in the main code.
In *big* websites, you need multiple web servers serving copies of the same
data in a load
For users of msession, beta3 was supposed to be the release candidate, but there were
far too many requests
for *important* features to be ignored for a 1.0 release. Instead, I opted for one
more beta release,
crossing my fingers, saying this time for sure.
New features:
Enhanced Windows
On Fri, 24 May 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Woa!! When did this discussion take place?
Why is it taking place on bugs and not dev?
Because most of the active developers are there, it seems.
I am looking at the bugs list on
On Fri, 24 May 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am looking at the bugs list on news.php.net, and I can't find any
mention of msession.
I would like a little more discussion BEFORE my extension is removed
the the main tree. To characterize my mood as anything less than
disturbed,
the point being is that modules being maintained by the maintainer, and
not everyone in general, should go into PECL (not just yours, we should
be moving more slowly...) and those which are considered main
main-stream, they should go in ext/)
The point being that I didn't put
I don't mean to be blunt here, but consider the following:
- working on the existing session stuff would probably have scored
higher
I tried to work with the session stuff, and lets use the word inflexable to describe
the developers.
Msession is actually a standard
I don't mean to be blunt here, but consider the following:
- working on the existing session stuff would probably have scored
higher
I tried to work with the session stuff, and lets use the word inflexable to describe
the developers.
Msession is actually a standard
Hey guys,
Out of courtesy, I think it would have been polite to at least
email the primary extension maintainer with:
1) A note to say that it was going to be moved
2) A couple of reasons why
3) An invitation to join the discussion.
-- before moving it!!
If the same thing
I would like reinstatement of msession into the main tree, and if you oppose I would
like a serious
discussion to take place on the developer list. If you support it, I need you to sound
in on the
discussion.
I intend to re-add it back to CVS early next week. I have spent a good amount
Just curious, but how many real users does it have? 30'000 ?
It has been under development for some time now. The same day the final release
candidate was released,
they pull it out of the main tree. How the hell will it get ANY more users?
It isn't legacy, it is *new* and new
Just curious, but how many real users does it have? 30'000 ?
It has been under development for some time now. The same day the final release
candidate was released,
they pull it out of the main tree. How the hell will it get ANY more users?
It isn't legacy, it is *new* and new
Just curious, but how many real users does it have? 30'000 ?
It has been under development for some time now. The same day the final release
candidate was released,
they pull it out of the main tree. How the hell will it get ANY more users?
It isn't legacy, it is *new* and new
Just curious, but how many real users does it have? 30'000 ?
It has been under development for some time now. The same day the final release
candidate was released,
they pull it out of the main tree. How the hell will it get ANY more users?
It isn't legacy, it is *new* and new
I don't see why msession is not part of the core PHP. On some levels, it is no
different that mod_mm, or
mod_files. My original proposal was that it should be part of ext/session. I was told
that it should be its
own extension.
I think, before you guys decide, that you look at it.
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I log everything, if you want logs just ask. And not to be blunt, but
the people who do actually something _are_ on IRC. (not saying that
it's the best forum to discuss things, but it is more 'vivid' than
mailinglists).
I think this is
On Fri, 24 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I log everything, if you want logs just ask. And not to be blunt,
but the people who do actually something _are_ on IRC. (not saying
that it's the best forum to discuss things, but it is more
If you use msession, this should all just work.
$sid = session_id();
$array_users = msession_get_array('users');
$array_globals = msession_get_array('globals');
$array_my = session_get_array($sid);
Msession does not handle classes all that well. It uses discrete variables.
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Msession is entering the final phase of development.There are many new features and
enhancements over
previous versions.
PostgreSQL plugin, which allows save/restore.
Extensive testing.
Native builds for UNIX and Windows (not cygwin)
http://phoenix.mohawksoft.com
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Get to get a feel for common experience, what are the average and maximum number of
active sessions on
your web sites? It may be useful for sizing default values.
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$_PERSISTENT could store data key'd to the script that stored it.
$_PERSISTENT_GLOBAL (probably a better name can be found) could just
store data accessable to any script under a certain document root.
You definitly do not want to share persistent data across document
roots (ie
Did anyone write module for persistent variable module?
There is msession you know :-)
I have large static lookup array loaded every time.
It's waste of resource, so I would like to make it
persistent.
I thought someone wrote it already.
If you did, could you post URL to
If anyone is using msession, beta 2 is up on my website. http://www.mohawksoft.com
For those of you that do not know what msession is, it is a system for managing
session information across
multiple PHP systems. It is like a networked mm save handler, but it also has custom
features that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That could be a pretty cool extension. Should be
trivial to write. If no one else does, I will after
msession 1.0 is out of beta and released.
Do you have any idea how long will it take?
If it's short, I can wait rather than writing
one by myself :)
So have we discussed this enough, can I just apply it and be done with it?
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Why is it you do not wish the session save handlers to be able to generare their own
session IDs? The
patch does not break any save handlers, but adds a lot more flexibility to the session
system.
A pseudo-random number may not be what is desired. I may want the session id to be the
user's
Stefan Esser writes:
Hi,
I have not followed the discussion, but its nonsense to force
people to use
PHP generated session IDs. Its an argument against using PHP.
I don't think so.
There are several situations where it is not possible to let
PHP generate
the session
Hello Mark,
We would like this indeed, but not 'love' it :)
I meant to say I'm sure the SRM guys would love this. perhaps that was an
overstatement. Oh well, but
it answers a lot of issues about who creates the session id. Should php create the
session id, or should
the session
Should php create the session id, or should the session handler?
PHP should. Here is something to think about.
It is hard to generate hard to guess session ids. PHP has
various internal entropy sources and can read from system
provided entropy sources as well. That
The msession daemon (part of the Phoenix project) and extension is available for PHP
versions 4.0.6,
4.1.2, and current CVS.
For those of you unfamiliar with msession, it is sort of a cross between a database
and the mm session
save handler. It is a networked information server
I posted a patch to session a couple days, an only got one reply of looks good.
The patch is intended to help session handler writers. It allows them to intercept
PHPSESSID creation,
and optionally replace it with their own value.
The session handlers which will benefit right away
If it is possible, I'd like to push this one on to the fast track.
I have a couple msession users that would REALLY like this patch, and I'm sure the SRM
guys would love to
have it too. This patch is the product of a discussion a month back about session id
cookies. This allows
the session
I am assuming that he is making a very simple example for something much
larger, written in C.
erm, it would make more sense to use php:
?php
$c = 1 + 2;
print (Value C is $c);
?
You need to make an extension. Look in the ext/ directory. Those are
all PHP extensions.
I am submitting a patch that will enable a session handler to override the
default session id creation routine.
This will help extensions like srm and msession. It adds a new member to
the ps_module structure and defines a default if it is not overridden.
session.c is also changed in that the
You need to make an extension. Look in the ext/ directory. Those are all
PHP extensions.
HI,
I have a functino write in c, like as:
void addvalue ( int a, int b, int *c )
{
*c = a + b;
}
in php
?
phpinclude (alexlib);
addvalue ( 1, 2, c );
print (
I am trying to compile PHP CVS. I had a working development environment. I
download re2c, got all new source, and am trying to get my patches
working.
Alas I get the messeges included below.
Is this a common problem what is very pedestrian solution, or is this
something I have to slog
I am working on adding a new member to the session module structure. It
will create the session ID for the session module. It will default to NULL,
in which case the session code will call its normal session_create_id
function, however, if the modules define a custome session_id creation
In my module, msession, I have routines that guarentee that a session id
is unique within a cluster of web servers.
The problem I have is that session creates and sets the session cookie
without some mechanism to allow me to replace the session id string, prior
to the session code setting the
Try running some tests on this where you have the page you're talking
about and an additional page that dumps all environment variables you
can think of. Or, if you have a way to snoop the HTTP request (2nd
request) from your browser, that would be even better.
Your problem *might* be
Wow, that's nasty. :)
The cookie to get picked up will be the first one encountered as the
Cookie header's value is parsed from left to right.
Are these session cookies or persistent? I'm quite confused as to how
the browser is keeping two identical cookies. I'll try to look more
into
I had a report of a problem with mod_mm and msession. If you configure PHP
to use both msession and the mm session handler, you will render apache
unable to start.
The session.save_path is used by both msession and mod_mm. When mod_mm
uses it, it expects it to be a valid working directory.
At 10:16 PM 2/12/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are a number of ways to deal with this, but creating a socket
pool of active sockets, and have a number of threads handle the sockets
in a classing queue fashion seems like the best way.
Anyone have a better idea?
Either do a thread
Stig S. Bakken wrote:
Well, shouldn't Mark, who maintains the code in question, be the one
to decide whether a couple of extra ifdefs makes his code
unmaintainable?
Well, needs msession a ''prime time seat'' in /php4/ext/, or wouldn't
we all be better off putting it into /pear/?
That
I think the issue is not compatibility with external libraries but with
previous versions of the engine. IMHO, there is no reason for a module
in the HEAD branch to be compatible with older versions of PHP. In the
case of MySQL and GD, the ifdefs are used to maintain compatibility
with the
What I don't like is the attitude of the primary maintainer of the
msession extension. He reverts patches by other PHP contributors
without discussing it.
I can't recall ever reverting a patch. I recall being accused of it, and
when I asked for more details about what was lost/reverted
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have been down this road before. There is a reasonable expectation
that
extensions may differ subtly from extension to extension. I see no need
to
fork my source for 4.0.x and 4.1.x compatibility when it is simple enough
to
do with macros and maintain one source
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Removing backward compatibility for aesthetic reasons is bogus. To be
perfectly honest, I think the whole PHP extension API is truly ugly.
The removal of a few #ifdefs will not a Mona Lisa make.
to me readability is a maintainance issue, not an aestheic one ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sort of bothers me. Who is this our you talk about? As
contributor of the msession extension, am I not also part of our
and don't I get a say on the priorities of msession?
not if these priorities are in contradiction to the overall goals, and
as such BC is
We are seeing this problem too. I am thinking of having a standard error
page which executes
posix_kill ( pos_getpid()) ;
On Oracle errors.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Operating system: RedHat 6.2
PHP version: 4.0.6
PHP Bug Type: OCI8 related
Bug description:
If you want to maintain compatibility to 4.0.6, do it someplace
else. Anything in PHP cvs should be compatible with the latest CVS.
Or move your extension elsewhere.
I appreciate your position, but the source checked in *IS* compatible with
the latest version of PHP and uses the latest APIs.
If you are using msesson, and have downloaded phoenix-011223a.tgz you are
encouraged to update to phoenix-011223b.tgz, there is a small typo takes the
address of a pointer instead of the pointer in reqmsession.cpp, in reqUniq()
and reqRandStr().
Memory corruption is very likely.
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After just announcing msession, I am already getting requests for some
sort of hot spare system.
OK, here is the question: how hot is hot?
A periodic update, where once a minute or so, changes are batched out to
the hot spare.
A really hot spare where all write actions are mirrored on to the
Hello,
I am writing a book on PHP with Andrei Zmievski and I asked him a
question on how resources are handled and he suggested posting the
question here.
Hi Andrei,
I am doing the 2nd database chapter and had some problems that I hope
you can clarify:
1. Are open resources (eg.
If you enable msession, you have to have the phoenix library installed.
Right now it is expected to be in /usr/local/phoneix. If you have it
somewhere else, just make a symlink.
I would like to try msession so, I deleted and created new
configure script with ./buildconf. configure script
This is my bug and I am working on it now. I need to add a test in
config.m4 to test whether or not phoenix is installed and built. the
msession extension will not build if phoenix is not installed in
/usr/local/phoenix.
Nobody has problem with configure script generated by buildconf?
Oops, this is not my bug, I thought this was a continuation of something
else. (I should read the message before responding.)
This is my bug and I am working on it now. I need to add a test in
config.m4 to test whether or not phoenix is installed and built. the
msession extension will not
Do a cvsup of ext/msession, Jon Parise rewrote my config.m4, and it seems
pretty good. I should not legally be permitted to edit config.m4 scripts.
Of course, you will have to run buildconf again to get it into the
configure script.
Also, if you are using FreeBSD you will need to grab
If I do this in PHP:
?
$array = array();
$array[foo] = bar;
$array[hey] = you;
$array[pink]=floyd;
myext_function($array);
?
How do I find all the keys and values out of that array in my extension?
Is there a way?
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:00:18AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If I do this in PHP:
?
$array = array();
$array[foo] = bar;
$array[hey] = you;
$array[pink]=floyd;
myext_function($array);
?
How do I find all the keys and values out of that array
Just a thought. I have been using PHP for a while now, and have wondered why
it does not support class destructors? It would be a very useful thing.
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Has anyone else noticed that the current released version of squrrelmail
does not work with the CVS version of PHP?
It seems that they are re-including PHP files. This could means that either
the mechanism they use to keep this from happening has changed or that it
wasn't an error before. The
[Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Hi,
For a scripting language, integers should IMHO be bounded by a number
that will reasonally not be bound by numbers that will be used in
normal scripts.
That is currently not the case, 4 bytes are insufficient IMHO. Why not
make sure PHP
On 23 Sep 2001, Stig Sæther Bakken wrote:
[Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
In PHP performance is IMHO a bit less important than in DBMS's. If
you're after performance you shouldn't use a scripting language
anyway :).
Sorry for starting, but this is just nonsense.
First of
I would be very worried about making numbers 8 bytes by default,
unless the CPU supports them natively. There are a lot of consequenses
involved with something like that.
Assuming a 32 bit register system (x86) integers will no longer fit in
registers. This changes EVERYTHING, from passing
srand();
As of the CVS version of PHP, if you leave the seed out, the rand
implementation will autogenerate it for you (it really wasn't that
hard beforehand, but...)
I'm currently debating whether seeding at startup is a good idea,
because alot of scripts don't
Does it make sense for PHP to seed rand() with srand() when it starts up,
during MINIT in basic_functions.c?
It just seems that there is no good way to ensure you have a good seed for
random, and if rand() were ready to use, out of the box a lot of people
would not be pulling their hair out
That's not the point. If PHP seeds the random number generator at MINIT
time, with a pretty good random seed it will save a lot of work for
devlopers tying to use rand() to come up with a good random number.
As it is now, they need some sort of flag that indicates that they have
seeded the
Tried latest cvs update from zend and yy_state_type is typedef'ed in
multiple places. Attached is a patch which should allow you to compile. I'm
not sure what the procedure is for getting the fix back to zend.
patch.zend
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At my company we use Oracle as the main back-end server. We implemented our
own session class system. Unfortunately we noticed that its a pretty big
load on the server. So I started looking at PHP sessions.
The problem was the same, the shared session systems, NFS and SQL, assumed
reliable disk
Sorry, I guess I messed up. Which file is GPL? I will chage it to be PHP
license. The Library it requires is LGPL. So I hope that isn't an issue.
The extension is an interface to a stand-alone session management daemon.
Mark L. Woodward wrote:
mlwmohawk Wed Sep 19 09:14:23
Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
and the fact that the source is licensed under the GPL.
which is not a bad thing in the first place but needs
an additional statement that you give special permission
with php and especially the zend engine as these are not yet
compatible with the gpl
The
I wish to add two files to ext/session, and make some minor changes to
session.c and Makefile.in
? mod_msession.h
? mod_msession.c
cvs server: Diffing .
Index: Makefile.in
===
RCS file: /repository/php4/ext/session/Makefile.in,v
Hi,
I am developing an external php module which uses the pthread on
FreeBsd. It works well when compiling a standalone php binary. But if I
use the --with-apxs option to build the libphp4.so, then I got the
following error:
Syntax error on line 205 of
Hi f0lks,
I've just subscribed to this mailing list because I have a problem with
session handling that seems to be a bug (the one described at
http://www.php.net/bugs.php?id=13229).
I've spend a lot of time on analyzing session handling so I hope my
results help somebody to fix this
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