Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Just so that you know, I've posted in the forum topic as well:
http://forum.piwik.org/read.php?2,105879
Regards,
Daniel Fenn
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
Jan Ehrhardt wrote:
Could you try to add a function_exists check to
libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php?
This at the function declaration of _json_encode:
if (!function_exists('_json_encode')) { function _json_encode($var, ...
And a extra } at the end.
This patch, together with upgrading to the latest OPcache from github
solved my segfaults and fatal errors.
Jan - could you post the solution on http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093
- better that you get the credit than one of us pinch it ;)
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Jan Ehrhardt wrote:
Could you try to add a function_exists check to
libs/upgradephp/upgrade.php?
This at the function declaration of _json_encode:
if (!function_exists('_json_encode')) { function _json_encode($var, ...
And a extra } at the end.
This patch, together with upgrading to the latest OPcache from github
solved my segfaults and fatal errors.
Jan - could you post the solution on http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 -
better that you get the credit than one of us pinch it ;)
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Grant wrote: I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 Is this a known issue? I'm running my own port of piwik in production with eaccelerator on 5.4 but I've made the decision not to move any of the machines to 5.5 until all of the legacy 5.2 machines have been brought up to 5.4. Not an answer, but explains perhaps why the problem is not being seen by others. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP-5.5.2 +opcache segfaults with Piwik
Lester Caine in php.general (Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:59:18 +0100): Grant wrote: I've tried php-5.5.2 and 5.5.3 but both segfault with piwik unless the opcache is disabled. Someone filed a piwik bug but was told it's a php bug: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/4093 Is this a known issue? (...) Not an answer, but explains perhaps why the problem is not being seen by others. It is more likely that users do not notice it. I have Piwik running with PHP 5.3 and php_opcache.dll (Centos 5) and it segfaults: [Sun Sep 01 17:06:53.131410 2013] [core:notice] [pid 25411] AH00052: child pid 25451 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Sun Sep 01 17:08:18.561917 2013] [core:notice] [pid 25411] AH00052: child pid 25453 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Sun Sep 01 17:08:19.569714 2013] [core:notice] [pid 25411] AH00052: child pid 25450 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) However, nothing special is displaying on the page. You have to grep your Apache error_log to know that it happens. How did you notice? Jan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
2013/8/22 David Harkness davi...@highgearmedia.com On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.comwrote: Sebastian Krebs wrote: Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. I didn't think of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than - which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator which is + in Java/C# The PHP language developers were pretty stuck. Because of automatic string-to-numeric-conversion, they couldn't use + for string concatenation. Sadly, they chose . rather than .. which I believe one or two other languages use. If they had, . would have been available once objects rolled around in PHP 4/5. I suspect they chose - since that's used in C and C++ to dereference a pointer. Actually I think .. is quite error-prone, because it is hard to distinguish from . or _ on the _first_ glance, which makes the get quickly through the code. [1] So . is maybe not the best choice, but also remember when it was introduced: That was decades ago. That time it was (probably ;)) the best choice and nowadays I don't think it is too bad at all, beside that _other_ languages use it for other purposes now ;) [1] Yes, I know, that _ is not an operator, but mixed with strings and variables names it is there ;) Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) I have not, but it looks interesting. I'll have to try it. Those are very good products which have had a strong following for a decade. The free IDE NetBeans also has quite good support for both Java and PHP, and the latest beta version provides a web project that provides front- and back-end debugging of PHP + JavaScript. You can be stepping through JS code and hit an AJAX call and then seamlessly step through the PHP code that handles it. I use NetBeans for PHP/HTML/JS (though I am evaluating JetBrains' PHPStorm now) and Eclipse for Java. You can't beat Eclipse's refactoring support in a free tool, though I think NetBeans is close to catching up. I would bet IntelliJ IDEA for Java by JetBrains is on par at least. Eclipse' code-completion and debugger never worked for me well (and most of the time: at all). It became slower and less responsive with every release. That was the reason I decided to leave it and I don't regret it :) Peace, David -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Sebastian Krebs krebs@gmail.comwrote: Actually I think .. is quite error-prone, because it is hard to distinguish from . or _ on the _first_ glance, which makes the get quickly through the code. [1] I surround all operators except member access (. and -) with spaces, so that wouldn't be a problem for me. I thought there was an older language that used .., but all I can find now is Lua which was developed in the early nineties. So . is maybe not the best choice, but also remember when it was introduced: That was decades ago. That time it was (probably ;)) the best choice and nowadays I don't think it is too bad at all, beside that _other_ languages use it for other purposes now ;) C introduced . as the field access operator for structs in the early seventies, C++ kept it for object access, and Java adopted it in the early nineties. C's use of pointers required a way to access members through a pointer, and I suppose KR thought - looked like following a pointer (I agree). Since PHP was modeled on Perl and wouldn't implement objects or structs for another decade, it adopted . for string concatenation. It works fine, and I don't have too much trouble bouncing back-and-forth. I honestly would have preferred . to be overloaded when the left hand side was an object. In the rare cases that you want to convert an object to a string to be concatenated with the RHS, you can always cast it to string, use strval(), or call __toString() manually. But I'm not staging any protests over the use of -. :) Eclipse' code-completion and debugger never worked for me well (and most of the time: at all). It became slower and less responsive with every release. That was the reason I decided to leave it and I don't regret it :) I agree about the slowness, and until this latest release I've always left autocompletion manual (ctrl + space). They did something with Kepler to speed it up drastically, so much so I have it turned on with every keypress. However, it's a little too aggressive in providing choices. Typing null which is a Java keyword as in PHP, it will insert nullValue() which is a method from Hamcrest. :( After a couple weeks of this, I think I'll be switching it back to manual activation. I can type quickly enough that I only need it when I'm not sure of a method name. NetBeans, while not as good with refactoring and plugin support, is still zippier than Eclipse. And my short time with the JetBrains products found them to be fast as well. Eclipse's PHP support via PDT is not nearly as good as NetBeans, and no doubt PHPStorm beats them both. Peace, David
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
Hi, my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it ok to work with not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ? Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it had be screwed around with ? Any think, should I change to 5 ? BR georg - Original Message - From: Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk To: PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
2013/8/21 georg chambert georg.chamb...@telia.com Hi, my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it ok to work with not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ? Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it had be screwed around with ? Any think, should I change to 5 ? ehm ... serious? http://php.net/eol.php BR georg - Original Message - From: Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk To: PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com; php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim --**--** -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On 21 Aug 2013, at 15:01, georg chambert georg.chamb...@telia.com wrote: my I shake the subject a little; Ive been doing some PHP and found it ok to work with not so much fuss, but that was PHP4, what about PHP5 ? Dont really checked the difference but made a short-scan and found that it had be screwed around with ? Any think, should I change to 5 ? Yes, even if it's only because PHP4 hasn't been supported in any way, including security fixes, since August 7th, 2008! This fact alone makes it pretty dangerous to be using it on a public site, and that's without getting into all of the improvements that PHP5 has introduced over the past five years! -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
Sorry in advance for the top post. Use the right tool for the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP. 1. I hate the Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use . notation in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky finger. 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what you want, but I have working with a string like 02 and have PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's int myInteger = Integer.parseInt(02); 3. Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and it works well. 4 PHP development environments are many and varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit, Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better on Linux than it does on Windows. Use the tool for the job at hand. Just my $0.02 worth. cheers, Curtis Tim Streater wrote: On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
2013/8/21 Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com Sorry in advance for the top post. Use the right tool for the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP. 1. I hate the Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use . notation in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky finger. Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what you want, but I have working with a string like 02 and have PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's int myInteger = Integer.parseInt(02); 3. Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and it works well. Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) 4 PHP development environments are many and varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit, Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better on Linux than it does on Windows. I use PhpStorm and it works quite fine. Use the tool for the job at hand. Just my $0.02 worth. cheers, Curtis Tim Streater wrote: On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
Sebastian Krebs wrote: 2013/8/21 Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com Sorry in advance for the top post. Use the right tool for the Job. I've use Java, C# and PHP. 1. I hate the Perl-like object calls in PHP. I'd rather use . notation in C# and Java. It saves a lot of wear and tear on my left pinky finger. Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. I didn't think of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than - which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator which is + in Java/C# 2. Java and C# are both typed languages. Say what you want, but I have working with a string like 02 and have PHP convert that to an integer. sometimes I want that zero in front. If I want that to be an integer in Java it's int myInteger = Integer.parseInt(02); 3. Java development environments (Eclipses, NetBeans, IBM RAD) are pretty horrible. Visual Studio is hands down a better envrionment, even the older versions of it. I've hooked Visual Studio into SVN in the past and it works well. Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) I have not, but it looks interesting. I'll have to try it. 4 PHP development environments are many and varied and all of them suck at web debugging. I've used PHPEdit, Zend, Bluefish, Eclipse and a couple others. Bluefish works better on Linux than it does on Windows. I use PhpStorm and it works quite fine. Use the tool for the job at hand. Just my $0.02 worth. cheers, Curtis Tim Streater wrote: On 20 Aug 2013 at 23:59, PHP List phpl...@arashidigital.com wrote: While I don't have any references to back it up - my guess would be that Java may be seen as more versatile in general programming terms. A staggering number of enterprise level web applications are built with Java, add to that the possibility of writing Android apps with the same knowledge. To me the salient point is, does java has as extensive a library or set of interfaces to other packages (such as SQLite, mysql, etc)? I would say that, in general, the other teacher is incorrect speaking strictly in terms of web development. PHP has already won that crown many times over. That said, when I was in University, it was difficult to find a programming class that taught anything but Java - and that was 10yrs ago now. I chalked it up to the education bubble not being able to see what the rest of the world is actually doing. Was PHP OOP-capable at the time? Perhaps the edu-bubble was simply looking down its nose at PHP. There being lots of courses proves nothing in and of itself. 20 years ago, there were lots of PC mags you could buy, which caused some folks to say look how much better the PC is supported than other platforms. Truth was, at the time, such support was needed given the mess of 640k limits, DOS, IRQs and the like, most of which issues have ceased to be relevant. Anyway, why should one need a course to learn PHP, assuming you already know other languages. It's simple enough. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP vs JAVA
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Curtis Maurand cur...@maurand.com wrote: Sebastian Krebs wrote: Actually the problem is, that the dot . is already in use. With $foo.bar() you cannot tell, if you want to call the method bar() on the object $foo, or if you want to concatenate the value of $foo to the result of the function bar(). There is no other way around this than a different operator for method calls. I didn't think of that. It seems to me there could be an easier operator than - which sometimes will make me stop and look at what keys I'm trying to hit. Just a thought. I forgot about the concatenation operator which is + in Java/C# The PHP language developers were pretty stuck. Because of automatic string-to-numeric-conversion, they couldn't use + for string concatenation. Sadly, they chose . rather than .. which I believe one or two other languages use. If they had, . would have been available once objects rolled around in PHP 4/5. I suspect they chose - since that's used in C and C++ to dereference a pointer. Ever tried the jetbrains products? :D (No, they don't pay me) I have not, but it looks interesting. I'll have to try it. Those are very good products which have had a strong following for a decade. The free IDE NetBeans also has quite good support for both Java and PHP, and the latest beta version provides a web project that provides front- and back-end debugging of PHP + JavaScript. You can be stepping through JS code and hit an AJAX call and then seamlessly step through the PHP code that handles it. I use NetBeans for PHP/HTML/JS (though I am evaluating JetBrains' PHPStorm now) and Eclipse for Java. You can't beat Eclipse's refactoring support in a free tool, though I think NetBeans is close to catching up. I would bet IntelliJ IDEA for Java by JetBrains is on par at least. Peace, David
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!
Awesome! On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Marco Pivetta ocram...@gmail.com wrote: Well done! Congratulations! On 20 Jun 2013 23:23, Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net wrote: Hello! The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug fixes. A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog. Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5 Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0 Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available. regards, David Soria Parra Julien Pauli
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] [PHP] PHP 5.5.0 final has been released!
I hope this will get people like WordPress to get up and support mysqli out of the box. going to cause big issues if they don't. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Martin Amps ph...@rtin.so wrote: I second this - great to see both finally available. Fantastic release! Martin Amps | CIO www.iCracked.com iCracked | Redwood City, CA On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Julian jswprog.mailingli...@gmx.at wrote: Awesome work and the new design for the php.net website is also nice ;) Am 20.06.2013, 23:22 Uhr, schrieb Julien Pauli jpa...@php.net: Hello! The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release of PHP 5.5.0. This release includes a large number of new features and bug fixes. A separate release announcement is also available. For changes in PHP 5.5.0 since PHP 5.4, please consult the PHP 5 ChangeLog. Release Announcement: http://www.php.net/release_5_5_0.php Downloads:http://www.php.net/downloads.php#v5.5 Changelog:http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.5.0 Thanks to all contributors that made this new version available. regards, David Soria Parra Julien Pauli -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] feature request : easy shared memory
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Larry Garfield la...@garfieldtech.comwrote: On 03/14/2013 01:21 PM, Bob Weinand wrote: Sharing active memory between processes goes against the shared nothing design of PHP. The lack of the feature you're describing is itself a feature. :-) If you had real shared memory, then you're now writing a multi-threaded app. Even if you aren't using threads per se it's the same level of potential for spooky action at a distance. If your problem space really requires that (and there certainly are those that do), Java or NodeJs will suit you better because those are built specifically for a persistent-server model, rather than PHP's shared-nothing design. However, in practice most PHP/web applications don't need that, because HTTP is a stateless request/response system. Shared-nothing more closely models what the actual environment is doing, and can still be very performant as long as you don't do anything naive. If you're doing something stateful like Web Sockets, then you can run PHP as a cli application that is its own persistent server rather than as an Apache add-on. For that, look at Ratchet: http://socketo.me/ --Larry Garfield If PHP should be so restrictive against sharing, why are there extensions like memcached, ...? Someone must have missed this possibility to share rapidly... If I need something like websockets, I use the pthreads extension: perfectly suited for stateful applications. For example: I want to have the database in memory (no, no mysql Memory-tables; this is too slow...) and only do the updates into the database for faster access when most contents are read-only. What are these good reasons against such a feature except it violates the shares-nothing superlative of PHP. (Even if this feature would exist, you can still write PHP without sharing) Bo Weinand Memcache is out of process. There are possible race conditions there, but FAR fewer and FAR more contained than true multi-threaded environments. This list has debated the merits of shared-nothing many times before; it was a deliberate design decision in the interest of simplifying development for the overwhelming majority of users. If your app is so performance sensitive that a memcache lookup is going to bring it to its knees, then either you're misusing PHP or you're better off using something other than PHP. (PHP is not the tool for every use case.) In any event, adding true shared memory to PHP would be nearly impossible without completely redesigning the way it interacts with web servers. The alternative is to write your own PHP CLI application that connects to sockets itself and runs as a daemon (possibly using the pthreads extention as you mention), and cut apache/nginx out of the picture entirely. If your use case calls for that, knock yourself out. But the good reasons against adding such a feature is that it would require rewriting everything and rearchitecting the entire Apache SAPI, which is not happening any time soon. --Larry Garfield I don't see why you would need to cut out apache/nginx. I would set up the server just like you (Larry) describe, with socket pthreads, but it would be far more easier to just create a simple php file inside your apache/nginx directory. Use something like mod_rewrite to redirect all urls to this php file. In this file, connect to the application server, send the request data ($_GET, $_POST, etc) to the application server, and pass all data retrieved from the application server back to the user. And there you go, you have an application server. - Matijn
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] new FTP function
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, KISE wowk...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Dragoonis,
Actually it wont work i did tried it before, if the dir end with / it will
list the directories inside the path you gave it and if it doesn't have any
directories it will return false since there is no directories to return.
you have to take out the last / and then remove the directory in question
and list the files in the parent directory and check if the dir exists
otherwise it will return false, i spent 3hrs yesterday thinking why its
returning false even though the directory exists.
The discussion is now getting more into the general coding realm
than internals, so let's move it over there in case anyone wants to
mention something like:
function ftp_dir_exists($conn, $currentDir) {
$currentDir = (substr($currentDir,-1,1) == '/') ?
substr($currentDir,0,-1) : $currentDir;
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, '-dF '. $currentDir);
return in_array($currentDir, $list);
}
Haven't played with ftp functions at all, but wondering what if you
gave it dirname($currentDir) instead of $currentDir? (Still have to do
the trailing '/'-ectomy)
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, dirname($currentDir));
untested, just a thought.
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Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DEV] new FTP function
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:26 PM, tamouse mailing lists
tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, KISE wowk...@gmail.com wrote:
Paul Dragoonis,
Actually it wont work i did tried it before, if the dir end with / it will
list the directories inside the path you gave it and if it doesn't have any
directories it will return false since there is no directories to return.
you have to take out the last / and then remove the directory in question
and list the files in the parent directory and check if the dir exists
otherwise it will return false, i spent 3hrs yesterday thinking why its
returning false even though the directory exists.
The discussion is now getting more into the general coding realm
than internals, so let's move it over there in case anyone wants to
mention something like:
function ftp_dir_exists($conn, $currentDir) {
$currentDir = (substr($currentDir,-1,1) == '/') ?
substr($currentDir,0,-1) : $currentDir;
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, '-dF '. $currentDir);
return in_array($currentDir, $list);
}
Haven't played with ftp functions at all, but wondering what if you
gave it dirname($currentDir) instead of $currentDir? (Still have to do
the trailing '/'-ectomy)
$list = ftp_nlist($conn, dirname($currentDir));
untested, just a thought.
Although on further thought, if $currentDir actually points to a
non-directory, that will still pass, won't it. Might have to go with
ftp_rawlist and parse it out to ensure it is a directory... Check the
first character of each line to see if it's 'd', then the file name
will be the last field in the line.
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: On 10/14/2012 1:10 AM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: This just dropped in my inbox the other day from Smashing #69: 2. PHP The Right Way If you are developing for the Web, the chances are high that you have to deal with PHP on a regular basis. However, once you've stumbled upon a problem that you have to solve, finding a good solution among thousands and thousands of (partly outdated) PHP tutorials out there can be quite a nightmare — especially if you are relatively new to PHP. Where would you go to learn about the current best practices in PHP? PHP The Right Way Perhaps PHP The Right Way. The site is an easy-to-read, quick reference for the best practices in PHP, accepted coding standards, and links to authoritative tutorials around the Web. Josh Lockhart has worked together with a dozen of well-respected members of the PHP community to create a useful, up-to-date resource for everybody to use. I've just been perusing it, and it offers some good advice. Anyone here work on it / read it? Thoughts? Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 which when I do (from a dos prompt) gives me a nice description of the command, but fails to do anything else for me. So how does this (as it says) help me learn with the hassle of configureing and installing a full-fledged web server? Are you running 5.4+? First thing it says is Use the current stable version (5.4). The PHP server (-S) is not available in anything earlier. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 That should be a capital S, not a five. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On 10/14/2012 12:06 PM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: On 10/14/2012 1:10 AM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: This just dropped in my inbox the other day from Smashing #69: 2. PHP The Right Way If you are developing for the Web, the chances are high that you have to deal with PHP on a regular basis. However, once you've stumbled upon a problem that you have to solve, finding a good solution among thousands and thousands of (partly outdated) PHP tutorials out there can be quite a nightmare — especially if you are relatively new to PHP. Where would you go to learn about the current best practices in PHP? PHP The Right Way Perhaps PHP The Right Way. The site is an easy-to-read, quick reference for the best practices in PHP, accepted coding standards, and links to authoritative tutorials around the Web. Josh Lockhart has worked together with a dozen of well-respected members of the PHP community to create a useful, up-to-date resource for everybody to use. I've just been perusing it, and it offers some good advice. Anyone here work on it / read it? Thoughts? Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 which when I do (from a dos prompt) gives me a nice description of the command, but fails to do anything else for me. So how does this (as it says) help me learn with the hassle of configureing and installing a full-fledged web server? Are you running 5.4+? First thing it says is Use the current stable version (5.4). The PHP server (-S) is not available in anything earlier. I'm not running anything. It says to type a command and I did. That's my point - it's kind of misleading in it's introduction. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP The Right Way (website)
On 10/14/2012 12:12 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: Sounds like a good idea, but as for me - if I was a newbie I'd have a problem with their very first instructions. It says right off the start to type in the following: php -5 localhost:8000 That should be a capital S, not a five. hmmm, that does make a difference. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: In this case, I do think that your insert statement is incorrect - I could be wrong. I think the VALUES clause s/b just 'VALUE'. Also if you added MYSQLI_ERROR to your error handling you should get a very helpful message. VALUES also work. See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/insert.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On 10/1/2012 9:12 AM, Tommy Pham wrote: On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: In this case, I do think that your insert statement is incorrect - I could be wrong. I think the VALUES clause s/b just 'VALUE'. Also if you added MYSQLI_ERROR to your error handling you should get a very helpful message. VALUES also work. See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/insert.html Yeah - I just saw it in one of my scripts. So - adding the error handling and the call to mysqli_error should help the OP diagnose his problem. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
hey thanks guys adding debugging info worked. Actually it was mysqli_error() providing me with a specific error of where the problem was. Cannot insert query:Duplicate entry '0' for key 'PRIMARY' This is the data in the table mysql select * from guitarwars; ++-+---+---+---+ | id | date| name | score | screenshot| ++-+---+---+---+ | 0 | 2012-10-01 11:55:45 | Tommy Tutone | 2442 | bg_titlestrip.jpg | | 1 | 2012-10-01 08:34:18 | Dunphy| 2 | proof.jpg | | 2 | 2012-10-01 00:25:53 | ray davies| NULL | 2241 | | 3 | 2008-04-22 14:37:34 | Paco Jastorius| NULL | NULL | | 4 | 2008-04-22 21:27:54 | Nevil Johansson | NULL | NULL | | 5 | 2008-04-23 09:12:53 | Belita Chevy | NULL | NULL | | 6 | 2008-04-23 14:09:50 | Kenny Lavitz | NULL | NULL | | 7 | 2008-04-24 08:13:52 | Phiz Lairston | NULL | NULL | | 8 | 2008-04-25 07:22:19 | Jean Paul Jones | NULL | NULL | | 9 | 2008-04-25 11:49:23 | Jacob Scorcherson | NULL | NULL | ++-+---+---+---+ This was the query I was using: $query = INSERT INTO guitarwars (date, name, score, screenshot) VALUES (NOW(), '$name', '$score', '$screenshot'); It seems to be inserting a default value of 0 since the id is not being specified and that's when I realized that I had failed to auto_increment the id column. D'oh! So once I did that everything worked like a charm. @Ken First -- NEVER post code with your database username/password. Since you did, change your db password immediately. Well actually I did not. Did you really think 'secretsauce' was my password? :) But I guess you're right in that this may be a little ambiguous when seeking advice in lists so from now on I will take your advice on making login information unambiguously fake in the form of user='' and password='xxx'. @Stuart But take note of what everyone else is saying. You should be getting the error message when this happens which will tell you exactly what the problem is, above and beyond Cannot insert query (which, btw, makes no sense at all :)). Ok well I'm using an 'insert' query so I'm not sure why you say that this makes no sense at all. :)) If you don't mind giving this n00b advice what would be a better/more accurate error message? They take away from this for me was.. don't skimp on the error messages! The one I got was so clear that fixing the problem was easy at that point. But thanks again guys.. this list has been an indispensable source source of wisdom on my journey in learning PHP. Tim Thanks again guys, Tim -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
On 10/1/2012 12:20 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: hey thanks guys adding debugging info worked. Actually it was mysqli_error() providing me with a specific error of where the problem was. Cannot insert query:Duplicate entry '0' for key 'PRIMARY' This is the data in the table mysql select * from guitarwars; ++-+---+---+---+ | id | date| name | score | screenshot| ++-+---+---+---+ | 0 | 2012-10-01 11:55:45 | Tommy Tutone | 2442 | bg_titlestrip.jpg | | 1 | 2012-10-01 08:34:18 | Dunphy| 2 | proof.jpg | | 2 | 2012-10-01 00:25:53 | ray davies| NULL | 2241 | | 3 | 2008-04-22 14:37:34 | Paco Jastorius| NULL | NULL | | 4 | 2008-04-22 21:27:54 | Nevil Johansson | NULL | NULL | | 5 | 2008-04-23 09:12:53 | Belita Chevy | NULL | NULL | | 6 | 2008-04-23 14:09:50 | Kenny Lavitz | NULL | NULL | | 7 | 2008-04-24 08:13:52 | Phiz Lairston | NULL | NULL | | 8 | 2008-04-25 07:22:19 | Jean Paul Jones | NULL | NULL | | 9 | 2008-04-25 11:49:23 | Jacob Scorcherson | NULL | NULL | ++-+---+---+---+ This was the query I was using: $query = INSERT INTO guitarwars (date, name, score, screenshot) VALUES (NOW(), '$name', '$score', '$screenshot'); It seems to be inserting a default value of 0 since the id is not being specified and that's when I realized that I had failed to auto_increment the id column. D'oh! So once I did that everything worked like a charm. @Ken First -- NEVER post code with your database username/password. Since you did, change your db password immediately. Well actually I did not. Did you really think 'secretsauce' was my password? :) But I guess you're right in that this may be a little ambiguous when seeking advice in lists so from now on I will take your advice on making login information unambiguously fake in the form of user='' and password='xxx'. @Stuart But take note of what everyone else is saying. You should be getting the error message when this happens which will tell you exactly what the problem is, above and beyond Cannot insert query (which, btw, makes no sense at all :)). Ok well I'm using an 'insert' query so I'm not sure why you say that this makes no sense at all. :)) If you don't mind giving this n00b advice what would be a better/more accurate error message? They take away from this for me was.. don't skimp on the error messages! The one I got was so clear that fixing the problem was easy at that point. But thanks again guys.. this list has been an indispensable source source of wisdom on my journey in learning PHP. Tim Thanks again guys, Tim I think the comment about your cannot insert query was because it really did not make sense. Once truly cannot insert a query. Since you ask tho, a more approp message might be Insert query failed to execute.brError returned was . mysqli_error() . brQuery was $q As for your index issue - you are using an autoincrement(?) field as the primary key. Is this related to another record in your db? If not, why even have the primary key? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php can't insert data mysql table
I think the comment about your cannot insert query was because it really did not make sense. Once truly cannot insert a query. Since you ask tho, a more approp message might be Insert query failed to execute.brError returned was . mysqli_error() . brQuery was $q As for your index issue - you are using an autoincrement(?) field as the primary key. Is this related to another record in your db? If not, why even have the primary key? Hey! I really like your error message. Borrowing it! :) Yes I am now using auto_increment, and that's what seemed to solve my issue. Looks like a simple omission in forgetting to use auto_increment and using primary key. I usually know better. I'll blame this one on the clonopin. lol thank you tim On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.comwrote: On 10/1/2012 12:20 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: hey thanks guys adding debugging info worked. Actually it was mysqli_error() providing me with a specific error of where the problem was. Cannot insert query:Duplicate entry '0' for key 'PRIMARY' This is the data in the table mysql select * from guitarwars; ++-+--**-+---+** ---+ | id | date| name | score | screenshot | ++-+--**-+---+** ---+ | 0 | 2012-10-01 11:55:45 | Tommy Tutone | 2442 | bg_titlestrip.jpg | | 1 | 2012-10-01 08:34:18 | Dunphy| 2 | proof.jpg | | 2 | 2012-10-01 00:25:53 | ray davies| NULL | 2241 | | 3 | 2008-04-22 14:37:34 | Paco Jastorius| NULL | NULL | | 4 | 2008-04-22 21:27:54 | Nevil Johansson | NULL | NULL | | 5 | 2008-04-23 09:12:53 | Belita Chevy | NULL | NULL | | 6 | 2008-04-23 14:09:50 | Kenny Lavitz | NULL | NULL | | 7 | 2008-04-24 08:13:52 | Phiz Lairston | NULL | NULL | | 8 | 2008-04-25 07:22:19 | Jean Paul Jones | NULL | NULL | | 9 | 2008-04-25 11:49:23 | Jacob Scorcherson | NULL | NULL | ++-+--**-+---+** ---+ This was the query I was using: $query = INSERT INTO guitarwars (date, name, score, screenshot) VALUES (NOW(), '$name', '$score', '$screenshot'); It seems to be inserting a default value of 0 since the id is not being specified and that's when I realized that I had failed to auto_increment the id column. D'oh! So once I did that everything worked like a charm. @Ken First -- NEVER post code with your database username/password. Since you did, change your db password immediately. Well actually I did not. Did you really think 'secretsauce' was my password? :) But I guess you're right in that this may be a little ambiguous when seeking advice in lists so from now on I will take your advice on making login information unambiguously fake in the form of user='' and password='xxx'. @Stuart But take note of what everyone else is saying. You should be getting the error message when this happens which will tell you exactly what the problem is, above and beyond Cannot insert query (which, btw, makes no sense at all :)). Ok well I'm using an 'insert' query so I'm not sure why you say that this makes no sense at all. :)) If you don't mind giving this n00b advice what would be a better/more accurate error message? They take away from this for me was.. don't skimp on the error messages! The one I got was so clear that fixing the problem was easy at that point. But thanks again guys.. this list has been an indispensable source source of wisdom on my journey in learning PHP. Tim Thanks again guys, Tim I think the comment about your cannot insert query was because it really did not make sense. Once truly cannot insert a query. Since you ask tho, a more approp message might be Insert query failed to execute.brError returned was . mysqli_error() . brQuery was $q As for your index issue - you are using an autoincrement(?) field as the primary key. Is this related to another record in your db? If not, why even have the primary key? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- GPG me!! gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys F186197B
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
to Matijn Woudt: you are right there should be something like: public void synchronized increment(), but that is not the point. Sure there are disadvantages and other problems but what Alessando is saying is I would not use cure for cancer even if it existed because it can introduce other problems like overpopulation. There are cases when application server adds much overhead that is not needed and there are cases when it simplifies your tasks a lot. So from his mail the only problem I can see is memory leaks, and I am not talking about leaks in application because they can be caught in tests and fixed, but mostly leaks in poorly wriiten PHP core and modules. Other like session hijacking are not real problems (other languages somehow managed it to work) or not so big in face of some other advantages (like restarting application after change). Robert Williams points that the main problem is with PHP programmers who tend to ignore many aspects of multithreaded programming and PHP helps them in that by hiding all threading aspects. There are still people who can understand that and take profit from this knowlege. The memory is also not such problem. I did some quite large PHP projects and whole source code event if it were loaded in memory use only few megabytes (event 100mb is not a problem). And am talking about holding parsed structures in memory not the source files. Applications I am talking about are mostly targeted to maximize throughput and they are the only ones on server. In such cases *any* speed improvement is worth attention. I am not forcing anybody to use application server approach, but rather like Robert said - good to have choice and decide on my own if I want to write simple scripts or stateful application. The only problem is that I do not have that choice not considering changing language... at least I do not have such choice for now :) 2012/9/26 Robert Williams rewilli...@thesba.com: On 9/26/12 10:18, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: Writing scripts for an application server requires a much deeper understanding of threads and computer internals,so as a result it probably increases error rate. Well... yes and no. PHP's architecture pretty much keeps you from having to mess with thread management, but it does so by shifting the burden to a higher level, either process management of multiple PHP processes or thread management within the context of the HTTP server. If your application is sufficiently simple, that shift may be enough to keep you from having to worry about the problem. For most applications, however, it's still a concern. In some ways, this can make things worse, simply because PHP programmers tend to be oblivious of the potential problems, whereas the typical C# or Java programmer has at least some awareness of the various traps that await them. As an example, I see PHP code *all the time* that is wide open to concurrency issues with the database. Most code just assumes it's the only code doing updates, but unless the server is set up to serialize requests, that's an invalid assumption. Recently, more folks have started to address this by using database transactions, but this is often done in ignorance of what isolation level is being used and what the impact of that is upon the code - which can just make things worse. Even when there is that awareness, there are database concurrency issues with which transactions can't help. (Of course, people who are aware of isolation levels also tend to be aware of other concurrency issues.) The point is, if you have multiple things running in parallel, whether that be threads within your application or entirely separate physical servers running multiple copies of your application, you have to deal with concurrency issues. It's a necessary evil of parallel programming, and no mere technological solution (language, database, whatever), now or in the future, can fully overcome it. Well, maybe an AI engine somewhere in the chain, but that's about it, and that's not coming anytime soon. Incidentally, another advantage of PHP's share-nothing approach that hasn't been mentioned is relatively easy scalability. In a shared pool architecture, the easiest way to scale is typically vertically, that is, adding RAM, faster drives, etc. This is fine, but you can only scale vertically to a certain point, which you can usually hit pretty quickly. With PHP's share-nothing approach, you can still scale vertically, but you can almost as easily scale horizontally by adding more servers that each run merrily in their own worlds, with the primary added coordination logic being in the areas of communicating with the database and the data cache, something the application should be designed with, anyway. In contrast, the shared approach requires added logic, somewhere, to coordinate the sharing amongst the pools of all that data that the application takes for granted is always available at low cost.
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
Hi, Once again I didn't read it completely (maybe I will do so), but my 2ct: I recently played with Ruby and Python and of course with their application server (at least a little bit). My experience was, that it is less fun as it sounds in the first place compared to a well designed webserver-interpreter-stack (and of course common OS-specific stuff for CLI). In my eyes it is good the way it is: Let PHP do it's job and let more intelligent tools do the other things, like spawning request-handling processes. Not saying, that I'm against an application, but I currently don't miss it :) On the other side someone must maintain it and someone must make sure, that it is secure and efficient. This resources should not taken from the core-team. Regards, Sebastian 2012/9/27 Alessandro Pellizzari a...@amiran.it Il Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:28:00 +0200, Maciej Liżewski ha scritto: Sure there are disadvantages and other problems but what Alessando is saying is I would not use cure for cancer even if it existed because it can introduce other problems like overpopulation. Uhm, no. I see it as I would not use chemio if I could remove the cancer with laser therapy. They are two ways to solve the same problem, and I think the non- application-server way is the best. It is similar to the Unix way: many small pieces tied together to reach a goal. The application server is more like the Windows way: one big piece to reach a goal. I understand sometimes the application server can be easier or fit better, but I think most of the times it is the wrong solution, expecially in PHP, but not exclusively. Bye. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- github.com/KingCrunch
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
Well.. many things changed during last 30 years. Cobol is not
mainstream, we have got OOP, Java, Python, Ruby, Google and other
great things :)
I am talking about stateful application server. There are plenty
examples in other programming languages: Java has Jetty, Tomcat, Ruby
On Rails, Python and Passenger WSGI.
All of them have one common thing: application persist in memory
between requests. Even for interpreted languages (such Ruby) - this
has advantage of loading sources only once, parse it only once and
initialize memory structures for those definitions only once. On the
opposite - PHP loads EVERY single resource on every request. This is
why it needs op-code cachers, accelerators etc.
Another advantage of using stateful application servers is that you
can simply keep gloabal state of your application (global variables,
static object properties) in memory. It simplifies many tasks which in
PHP require sessions, writing files with serialized data and
deserialize them on every request...
Just imagine such scenarios:
now PHP acts like this on every request:
1. locate resources (source files in this case), parse and load them
(possibly with op-code cache)
2. initialize global context ($_SERVER, $GLOBALS, $_POST, $_GET, etc)
3. run code
4. destroy all resource and free memory for next request
persistent application servers load resources only on startup (or when
needed) and keep them in memory until programatically freed or until
end of application (server shutdown). So every request looks like
this:
1. initialize global context
2. run already parsed code
is that makes whole thing clear?
Another nice example - simple counter. In PHP you have to:
1. read file with counter
2. increment value
3. write serialized value to file
...on every request.
in Java (for example) you just write class:
class Counter {
static private counter = 0;
public void increment() {
this.counter++;
}
}
and because class definition persists in application server - static
member is maintained between requests and whole things works as
expected...
2012/9/26 Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com:
On 9/26/2012 5:58 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote:
Hi,
Maybe this topic have been already on board, but I could not find nothing
in google, so my question to PHP maintaneers (and other users too) is:
Why there is no possibility to run PHP in application server way among
other SAPI modules and other possibilities to run PHP? PHP would encounter
great performance boost and became more enterprise :) Just look at Ruby
which is slow as hell compared even with PHP.
By application server I mean scenario when there is statefull
application
on server side not only by session mechanizms but all classes definitions
maintained in memory (no need to load class definition on every request),
static class members (and their changes) persistent, background threads,
etc. This way any op-code cachers won't be necessary...
sounds great, huh? others have it already, so why doesn't PHP? are there
any cons? problems too hard to solve (one can be memory leaks, thread safe
coding, etc)? I mean it - I am realy curious why there is no such
possibility and is there any hope we could get it?
TIA for any answers on this topic.
Thirty+ years as a professional application designer, developer and manager
and I don't have a clue about what you are proposing. I must have been in a
different world. :)
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On 9/26/2012 11:23 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote:
Well.. many things changed during last 30 years. Cobol is not
mainstream, we have got OOP, Java, Python, Ruby, Google and other
great things :)
I am talking about stateful application server. There are plenty
examples in other programming languages: Java has Jetty, Tomcat, Ruby
On Rails, Python and Passenger WSGI.
All of them have one common thing: application persist in memory
between requests. Even for interpreted languages (such Ruby) - this
has advantage of loading sources only once, parse it only once and
initialize memory structures for those definitions only once. On the
opposite - PHP loads EVERY single resource on every request. This is
why it needs op-code cachers, accelerators etc.
Another advantage of using stateful application servers is that you
can simply keep gloabal state of your application (global variables,
static object properties) in memory. It simplifies many tasks which in
PHP require sessions, writing files with serialized data and
deserialize them on every request...
Just imagine such scenarios:
now PHP acts like this on every request:
1. locate resources (source files in this case), parse and load them
(possibly with op-code cache)
2. initialize global context ($_SERVER, $GLOBALS, $_POST, $_GET, etc)
3. run code
4. destroy all resource and free memory for next request
persistent application servers load resources only on startup (or when
needed) and keep them in memory until programatically freed or until
end of application (server shutdown). So every request looks like
this:
1. initialize global context
2. run already parsed code
is that makes whole thing clear?
Another nice example - simple counter. In PHP you have to:
1. read file with counter
2. increment value
3. write serialized value to file
...on every request.
in Java (for example) you just write class:
class Counter {
static private counter = 0;
public void increment() {
this.counter++;
}
}
and because class definition persists in application server - static
member is maintained between requests and whole things works as
expected...
2012/9/26 Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com:
On 9/26/2012 5:58 AM, Maciej Liżewski wrote:
Hi,
Maybe this topic have been already on board, but I could not find nothing
in google, so my question to PHP maintaneers (and other users too) is:
Why there is no possibility to run PHP in application server way among
other SAPI modules and other possibilities to run PHP? PHP would encounter
great performance boost and became more enterprise :) Just look at Ruby
which is slow as hell compared even with PHP.
By application server I mean scenario when there is statefull
application
on server side not only by session mechanizms but all classes definitions
maintained in memory (no need to load class definition on every request),
static class members (and their changes) persistent, background threads,
etc. This way any op-code cachers won't be necessary...
sounds great, huh? others have it already, so why doesn't PHP? are there
any cons? problems too hard to solve (one can be memory leaks, thread safe
coding, etc)? I mean it - I am realy curious why there is no such
possibility and is there any hope we could get it?
TIA for any answers on this topic.
Thirty+ years as a professional application designer, developer and manager
and I don't have a clue about what you are proposing. I must have been in a
different world. :)
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Sounds to me like you'd need more hardware to support such a concept. I
realize that memory can be mapped to disk to avoid the need to have HUGE
amounts of ram in your server(S!) but with ever-increasing processor
speed, is it really necessary to go this route?
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Maciej Liżewski
maciej.lizew...@gmail.com wrote:
in Java (for example) you just write class:
class Counter {
static private counter = 0;
public void increment() {
this.counter++;
}
}
And here's where things go wrong.. You assume ++ is an atomic
operation, but in Java that's not true for static variables (it is for
local, but what does it matter?)
So you might end up with a race condition here where the counter will
only be incremented once when there are two or more threads. You need
a mutex or semaphore to make sure there's only one thread
reading/writing the counter at the same time (though volatile would
work here too probably).
Writing scripts for an application server requires a much deeper
understanding of threads and computer internals,so as a result it
probably increases error rate.
I think Alessandro explained the rest of the downsides pretty clearly.
- Matijn
Ps. Please bottom-post on this mailing list
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP as Application Server
On 9/26/12 10:18, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote: Writing scripts for an application server requires a much deeper understanding of threads and computer internals,so as a result it probably increases error rate. Well... yes and no. PHP's architecture pretty much keeps you from having to mess with thread management, but it does so by shifting the burden to a higher level, either process management of multiple PHP processes or thread management within the context of the HTTP server. If your application is sufficiently simple, that shift may be enough to keep you from having to worry about the problem. For most applications, however, it's still a concern. In some ways, this can make things worse, simply because PHP programmers tend to be oblivious of the potential problems, whereas the typical C# or Java programmer has at least some awareness of the various traps that await them. As an example, I see PHP code *all the time* that is wide open to concurrency issues with the database. Most code just assumes it's the only code doing updates, but unless the server is set up to serialize requests, that's an invalid assumption. Recently, more folks have started to address this by using database transactions, but this is often done in ignorance of what isolation level is being used and what the impact of that is upon the code - which can just make things worse. Even when there is that awareness, there are database concurrency issues with which transactions can't help. (Of course, people who are aware of isolation levels also tend to be aware of other concurrency issues.) The point is, if you have multiple things running in parallel, whether that be threads within your application or entirely separate physical servers running multiple copies of your application, you have to deal with concurrency issues. It's a necessary evil of parallel programming, and no mere technological solution (language, database, whatever), now or in the future, can fully overcome it. Well, maybe an AI engine somewhere in the chain, but that's about it, and that's not coming anytime soon. Incidentally, another advantage of PHP's share-nothing approach that hasn't been mentioned is relatively easy scalability. In a shared pool architecture, the easiest way to scale is typically vertically, that is, adding RAM, faster drives, etc. This is fine, but you can only scale vertically to a certain point, which you can usually hit pretty quickly. With PHP's share-nothing approach, you can still scale vertically, but you can almost as easily scale horizontally by adding more servers that each run merrily in their own worlds, with the primary added coordination logic being in the areas of communicating with the database and the data cache, something the application should be designed with, anyway. In contrast, the shared approach requires added logic, somewhere, to coordinate the sharing amongst the pools of all that data that the application takes for granted is always available at low cost. Having said all that, there are many advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. And honestly, I would love to have the option of a shared approach with PHP, since that architecture simply works better as a solution to certain problems. Assuming the shared-nothing model continues on, it would make PHP that much more well-rounded. In that respect, the added option isn't that different from the addition of OOP: we now have the great ability to use procedural code where it makes sense, and to use OOP code where it makes sense. Where neither is a perfect fit, you can choose the one that creates the least personal pain. It's a wonderful choice to have. Regards, Bob -- Robert E. Williams, Jr. Associate Vice President of Software Development Newtek Businesss Services, Inc. -- The Small Business Authority https://www.newtekreferrals.com/rewjr http://www.thesba.com/ Notice: This communication, including attachments, may contain information that is confidential. It constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If the reader or recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, an employee or agent of the intended recipient who is responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, or if you believe that you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and promptly delete this e-mail, including attachments without reading or saving them in any manner. The unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail or telephone and delete the e-mail and the attachments (if any). -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP Bounce messages
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote: On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To: -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP Re: PHP Bounce messages
On 21 Sep 2012 at 20:56, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Tim Streater t...@clothears.org.uk wrote: On 21 Sep 2012 at 08:40, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: I know that the php list are one of the 'reply to sender' email handling camp rather than reply to list. I don't understand this. I reply (not that I mail that often) just to the list, if possible. Why would I do anything else? I believe Lester is referring to the behaviour of the Reply-To: field sent by the list serv, which is the sender's address. Some other listservs put the list reply address in Reply-To: Thanks, I'm with you now. And I also do the To: cc: musical chairs. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] php error
can we see the code of the form ? On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM, tomas lagro tomas.la...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, my name is tomas, i'm having a problem and i've checked a lot of times the script and it is not that, because in my local xampp server it works correctly, the issue is that i have a form on my webpage and when you submitt it, the post values are not being requested, so the query array has no values and has no result because of this. Is this a php.ini mistake? what can it be because its driving me crazy. Thanks for ypur time This email belongs on the PHP General mailing list (CC'd), Tomas, and you should subscribe to that list at php-general-subscr...@lists.php.net to follow the discussion and get help with your questions. -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 13:31 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: Sales tax isn't the point with SOPA/PIPA. Thinks like the government being able to force any site off the Internet at the ISP / DNS level on the say-so of a private corporation are the point. And no, that's not a defensible or acceptable position. Breaking the Internet to prop up industries that don't like being disrupted is not a proper use of governmental power. I'm quite happy to see PHP.net joining in with other defense-of-freedom voices. --Larry Garfield On 7/21/12 1:56 PM, With No Name wrote: On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings From what I can gather is that it will break DNSSEC, which has been designed to establish trusted connections with DNS calls. Essentially, browsers will accept only signed responses from web servers, and SOPA (and PROTECT IP) would be redirecting DNS requests for US citizens, which is precisely the sort of thing DNSSEC is meant to prevent; silent redirection of DNS requests. I'm not normally very vocal about these sorts of things, but it will have ripple effects that can't be predicted in the very industry we all have our livelihoods in, so I'm glad there's resistance against it. -- Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Fri, July 20, 2012 10:04, Lester Caine wrote: In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. It depends, because in Europe (I live in Germany), VAT is only added if the value + shiping exceeds 25 Euro and customs are only added, if the value exceeds 150 Euro It does NOT discriminate American sellers, because German sellers have to bill the VAT too Also I buy regulary in the USA and even with heavy USPS costs plus Import-VAT I am mostly lesser expensive as if I buy in Germany... Greetings -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 09:04:30AM +0100, Lester Caine wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax itself. In my opinion, VAT is worse than direct income tax. The only good thing about VAT is that you (presumably) don't have to file returns with every state/province involved. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
-Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 4:05 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Paul M Foster wrote: Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on*all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. In Europe VAT is applied even on on-line sales. It is the likes of Amazon shipping bulk stock from overseas 'clients' into European warehouses and then supplying them without VAT added directly in Europe that is the problem! How can I compete with someone who is also giving next day delivery, but 20% cheaper ... American sellers are one of the problems here. There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php This sounds more like a business annoyance than an internet freedom problem, but okay. Technically, in the US, I thought it is the end-consumer that needs to pay a sales tax to the state where they live. Consumer retail businesses are required to tack them on at the point of sale as a convenience for both the consumer and the government, then pass the money on. The seller only pays taxes, to the municipality(s) where their business is physically located, based on their net profit. So the sales tax itself does not come out of the company's pocket. The company bears the cost of tracking, processing, and forwarding the taxes to the government(s) involved, but that is a deductible expense. Sales taxes are a tedious, but not costly, normal business expense. Really, how hard is it for computer savvy people to sort their sales transactions by customer's state and sum up the sales tax amounts paid so they can write a check every quarter. Many businesses would be happy to have to mail 50 checks every quarter, one to each state. That means they are making sales in every state! That sounds like a profitable business to me. And as far as filling out 50 sales and use tax forms each quarter, they have these things called computers now that make pulling in data and printing forms happen at the touch of a button. Maybe some enterprising programmer could write software to do just that and sell it on the internet. We need to stop playing idealistic revolutionary and help shape real solutions. The fact that you are allowed to run a business on the internet is the internet freedom you are looking for. You have won the revolution! Now, deal with the realities of running a business. Putting your business on the internet should not be a magic pass to avoid the costs of doing business. We need to admit we are part of the system and figure out a streamlined way for internet businesses to pay their fair share. The Free in free economy does not mean it doesn't cost money, time, effort, etc. to do business. The internet is not a magic cloud run by fairy dust. The internet was created by military and higher educational systems, both tax supported entities. Corporations and governments maintain the infrastructure that keeps the internet working. Without governments and corporations there would be no internet. They are the internet. The alternative is to go back to ham radios. Sorry for the rant, this is a hot button topic for me. Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Paul M Foster wrote: There are two sides to every problem and simply fighting for one side is as bad. What is needed is a reasoned debate rather than things like 'The Cat Signal' which personally I find as objectionable as the laws it's complaining about! The real problem is the VAT tax itself. In my opinion, VAT is worse than direct income tax. The only good thing about VAT is that you (presumably) don't have to file returns with every state/province involved. The EU does have VAT sorted nicely across all the states of Europe, and I simply fill in a VAT return each quarter in the UK. For VAT registered European customers we simply bill them 0% rated, so there is no need for cross border paperwork at all. But European customers who are not VAT registered pay the rate of of the country the supplier is based in, which gives some small plus and minus advantages. Anything that comes into Europe through proper channels will also have VAT added as part of 'customs charges' and businesses simply claim it back, hence the irritation at supply channels bypassing the normal trade routes :( In theory those goods should have had VAT paid when they came into a European warehouse, so it would be nice to know what loophole they use to avoid it ;) And at least VAT only applies when I spend money, higher income tax would hit everything I earn ... but this is getting very much off topic for the list, as 'The Cat Signal' is anyway in my book. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Kris Craig [mailto:kris.cr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:40 PM To: Ferenc Kovacs Cc: Daniel Brown; php-webmas...@lists.php.net; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: 2012.07.19. 20:21, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net ezt írta: Forwarding to php-webmas...@lists.php.net, as it's not a general user issue where it pertains to php.net. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I just became aware of this: http://internetdefenseleague.org/ It's a site setup by Mozilla, Reddit, and others to defend internet freedom in the wake of recent legislative events in the U.S. and elsewhere (full members list here: http://www.internetdefenseleague.org/members). They've setup what they're calling the cat signal, an invisible bit of embeddable code you can put in your website that will activate (and display the afore-mentioned signal/link/etc) if/when the next SOPA/PIPA/etc comes along that threatens the open internet. I'd like to propose that we integrate this into the PHP website. This issue directly affects our community and we already staked a claim in this fight when we participated in the last great blackout. In addition, I'd also l ike to propose that we officially join this group as a member. I'm not sure if we'd do this by vote or something similar to the RFC process etc, but if you'll grant me permission, I'd be happy to do the legwork on this myself (make the HTML edits, contact the organization on PHP's behalf, etc). Thoughts? --Kris -- /Daniel P. Brown Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP Webmaster List Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Btw. we were asked by the to join the league as we were a big traffic source on the black out day. I don't know if Rasmus is on the webmaster list or not, but we should cc him, as he was the driving force behind us joining the anti SOPA movement. I heard back from the webmaster saying that we're already participating with the cat signal on our website. Given this and no objections, I went ahead and contacted them and asked that they list us on their participating members page. --Kris -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on how heavy handed the solution is ... Currently I can't get torrent downloads of Linux distribution DVD's because torrent is blocked. Just because some people abuse a technology is no reason to kill that technology for legitimate uses? Action groups that just target one country are a little irritating to the rest of us ... a world wide solution is needed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
Hi, I agree. My wife is from China and both copyright issues and government enforcement of things have a whole new meaning there, so I understand the concerns on both sides. Thanks, Jeff Burcher - IT Dept Allred Metal Stamping PO Box 2566 High Point, NC 27261 (336)886-5221 x229 j...@allredmetal.com -Original Message- From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:10 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal Jeff Burcher wrote: I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? It depends on how heavy handed the solution is ... Currently I can't get torrent downloads of Linux distribution DVD's because torrent is blocked. Just because some people abuse a technology is no reason to kill that technology for legitimate uses? Action groups that just target one country are a little irritating to the rest of us ... a world wide solution is needed. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP] The Cat Signal
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Jeff Burcher wrote: Hi, I have been out of the loop and just did some quick skimming of SOPA/PIPA to see what all the fuss was about. PIPA seems a little vague, but SOPA seems pretty straight forward, stop piracy of copyrighted materials. I don't understand what is wrong with that? Here's another one: There are currently discussions in the U.S. Congress in favor of forcing internet vendors to charge sales tax on *all* sales, regardless of whether the vendor has a presence in that state or not. Imagine having to file state sales tax returns in 50 states. This effort has rather significant bipartisan support. Now ask yourself what large corporation with brick and mortar stores *wouldn't* sign on to support this one? That's what you're up against. You've got Amazon.com on your side. Yay. You might want to get busy on that one. Governments and large corporations are about power and *control*. The internet is the antithesis of this. So expect their efforts to control some or all of the internet to continue until they succeed. Paul -- Paul M. Foster http://noferblatz.com http://quillandmouse.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
-Original Message-
From: Tim Dunphy [mailto:bluethu...@gmail.com]
Sent: 28 June 2012 01:18
Hey guys,
It's been a little while since I've toyed with this, and I hope you
don't mind my coming back to you for some more advice. But I've
enjoyed some limited success with David R's advice regarding adding
some strong quoting to the mix. Here is what I last tried -
form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['[PHP_SELF'] .'
Wow! That's completely wacko! (OK, just looked at the full code and
seen it's in the middle of a single-quoted echo, so it's not that bad
after all :). You've got a spare [ in there -- the notice saying
Undefined index: [PHP_SELF should have alerted you to this, as the
index you want is just plain PHP_SELF.
form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] .'
The pages do work, and the form checking code does its job (empty
text
displays what information is missing). Except that there is an
annoying message that appears on screen and in the logs -
Notice: Undefined index: subject in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendema
il.php
on line 23 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendema
il.php
on line 24 Notice: Undefined index: [PHP_SELF in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendema
il.php
on line 62
Looking at the relevant bit of your script (assume this is line 23
onward):
$subject = $_POST['subject'];
$text = $_POST['elvismail'];
$output_form = false;
if (isset($_POST['Submit'])) {
You're accessing $_POST['subject'] and $_POST['elvismail'] *before* the
check to see if this is a from a form submission - on the initial access,
to just display the form, these $_POST indexes will not be set so
causing the notices.
You either need to put the assignments inside the
if (isset($POST['Submit']))
branch, or conditionalise them in some way, such as:
$subject = isset($_POST['subject']) ? $_POST['subject'] : NULL;
$text = isset($_POST['elvismail']) ? $_POST['elvismail'] : NULL;
Another oddity in your script is that you're using the string values
true and false instead of the Boolean true and false. Because of
the way PHP typecasts, both true and false are actually regarded
as Boolean true, which could get a little confusing -- so it's much
better (and probably more efficient) to use the proper Boolean values.
Also, it enables your later test to be written, with confidence, as
just
if ($output_form) {
Also, also, with a little bit of rearrangement of the tests, you can
reduce the amount of code a bit:
if (!empty($subject) !empty($text)) {
// Both inputs supplied -- good to go.
$output_form = false;
} else {
// At least one input missing -- need to redisplay form
$output_form = true;
if (empty($subject)) {
if (empty($text)) {
echo 'You forgot the email subject and body.br /';
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email subject.br /';
}
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email body text.br /';
}
}
Actually, I think my inclination would be to assign $output_form
first, and then do the rest of the tests:
$output_form = empty($subject) || empty($text);
if ($output_form) {
// At least one input missing -- work out which one
if (empty($subject))
if (empty($text)) {
echo 'You forgot the email subject and body.br /';
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email subject.br /';
}
} else {
echo 'You forgot the email body text.br /';
}
}
That said, there are lots of personal preferences involved here, and
I'm sure others would offer different possibilities. (Me personally,
I also prefer the alternative block syntax with initial : and end...
tags -- but then, the forests of curly braces others seem to find
acceptable make my eyes go fuzzy, so go figure)
Cheers!
Mike
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Re: [PHP] Re: php batch/queue framwork
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Re: [PHP] Re: php batch/queue framwork
On 06/29/2012 05:18 AM, Tom Sparks wrote: Forwarded Message: php-general_318334.ezm Re: php batch/queue framwork Friday, 29 June, 2012 6:30 AM From: Shailesh N. Humbad humb...@alum.mit.edu To: php-general@lists.php.net On 6/28/2012 11:58 AM, Tom Sparks wrote: I am looking for a batch/queue framework that is database-centric? I could write my own, but I want one that is mature tom_a_sparks It's a nerdy thing I like to do You could try Amazon Simple Queue Service: http://aws.amazon.com/sqs/ Use the PHP SDK: http://aws.amazon.com/sdkforphp/ I was hoping for something that I could run local on my host tom Have a look at Beanstalk and Gearman. They're the most common run-yourself queues I've seen, and both have PHP libraries available. ZeroMQ is also the darling of the queuing world these days, but I don't know off hand how good the PHP support is. You won't find a GOOD database-centric queue framework, rather by definition. A queuing server may use a DB of some kind as a backend itself, but a queue server by definition pushes tasks to workers that are waiting for it. That's simply not how an SQL DB is designed. You would have to do a polling worker that polls a database for new tasks. You could write such a system -- Drupal comes with one as a default implementation since then you don't need a separate queueing program, for instance -- but it will always be greatly inferior to a real daemonized queue server. --Larry Garfield -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been a little while since I've toyed with this, and I hope you don't mind my coming back to you for some more advice. But I've enjoyed some limited success with David R's advice regarding adding some strong quoting to the mix. Here is what I last tried - Please bottom post on this (and probably any) mailing list. form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['[PHP_SELF'] .' This must be some typo, it should read form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] .' $from = 'bluethu...@jokefire.com'; $subject = $_POST['subject']; $text = $_POST['elvismail']; $output_form = false; Try using $subject = isset($_POST['subject']) ? $_POST['subject'] : ; $subject = isset($_POST['elvismail']) ? $_POST['elvismail'] : ; Cheers, Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been a little while since I've toyed with this, and I hope you don't mind my coming back to you for some more advice. But I've enjoyed some limited success with David R's advice regarding adding some strong quoting to the mix. Here is what I last tried - form method=post action=' . $_SERVER['[PHP_SELF'] .' Just a wee typo here: You've quoted '[PHP_SELF' -- the extra bracket at the beginning what's wrong there. Should just be 'PHP_SELF'. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote:
One more little thing:
These notices:
Notice: Undefined index: subject in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php
on line 23 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in
/Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php
show up because you are processing form fields in $_POST when there
might not be any yet.
These lines:
$from = 'bluethu...@jokefire.com';
$subject = $_POST['subject'];
$text = $_POST['elvismail'];
$output_form = false;
Should appear *after* this line:
if (isset($_POST['Submit'])) {
You should also check the $_POST entries for 'subject' and 'elvismail'
to make sure they are set to avoid the notices, even if you do move
them after the submit check. You never know!
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Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:caozy0em5duhby-qv+y1u-e+c5yd7g5utauhomoyu3z7jma-...@mail.gmail.com... Notice: Undefined index: subject in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 23 Notice: Undefined index: elvismail in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 24 Notice: Undefined index: [PHP_SELF in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 62 [Wed Jun 27 20:13:42 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Notice: Undefined index: [PHP_SELF in /Library/WebServer/Documents/examples/ch03/final/makemeelvis/sendemail.php on line 62, referer: http://localhost/elvis/ You're missing an input (POST) for the field named 'subject'. Something change in your html? As in you no longer have a 'subject' input field? Same for the other field named. As for the missing PHP_SELF - did you start a session? I could be way off on this. The errors are even giving you the line number so it shouldn't be hard to find! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
Al n...@ridersite.org hat am 15. Juni 2012 um 14:29 geschrieben:
On 6/14/2012 7:28 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote:
However if I change the form action to this, it breaks the page
resulting in a white screen of death:
error_reporting(E_ALL);
ini_set('display_errors', 'On');
And what is the error message?
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Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On 06/15/2012 06:35 AM, Jim Giner wrote: Hear, Hear for heredocs. The only way to code up your html. Took me a few months to discover it and haven't looked back since. The only problem I have with HEREDOC is I cannot use constants within them. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com hat am 15. Juni 2012 um 18:39 geschrieben: On 06/15/2012 06:35 AM, Jim Giner wrote: Hear, Hear for heredocs. The only way to code up your html. Took me a few months to discover it and haven't looked back since. The only problem I have with HEREDOC is I cannot use constants within them. You shouldn't use constants anyway. Always inject your dependencies. -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Marco Behnke Dipl. Informatiker (FH), SAE Audio Engineer Diploma Zend Certified Engineer PHP 5.3 Tel.: 0174 / 9722336 e-Mail: ma...@behnke.biz Softwaretechnik Behnke Heinrich-Heine-Str. 7D 21218 Seevetal http://www.behnke.biz -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
It is a small price to pay for large block, especially if the text has any quotes. Personally, I can't keep them straight and delimit them, etc. Heredoc saves all that such stuff. $insert= MY_DEFINED; echo hdc This is my $insert hdc; On 6/15/2012 12:39 PM, Jim Lucas wrote: On 06/15/2012 06:35 AM, Jim Giner wrote: Hear, Hear for heredocs. The only way to code up your html. Took me a few months to discover it and haven't looked back since. The only problem I have with HEREDOC is I cannot use constants within them. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php form action breaks script
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM, David Robley robl...@aapt.net.au wrote:
Tim Dunphy wrote:
Hello list,
I was just wondering if I could get some opinions on a snippet of
code which breaks a php web page.
First the working code which is basically an html form being echoed by
php:
if ($output_form) {
echo 'br /br /form action=sendemail.php method=post
form action=sendemail.php
should be:
form action=sendemail.php ...
label for=subjectSubject of email:/labelbr /
input id=subject name=subject type=text size=30 /br /
label for=elvismailBody of email:/labelbr /
textarea id=elvismail name=elvismail rows=8
cols=40/textareabr /
input type=submit name=Submit value=Submit /
/form';
}
However if I change the form action to this, it breaks the page
resulting in a white screen of death:
if ($output_form) {
echo 'br /br /form action=?php echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']; ?
method=post
label for=subjectSubject of email:/labelbr /
input id=subject name=subject type=text size=30 /br /
label for=elvismailBody of email:/labelbr /
textarea id=elvismail name=elvismail rows=8
cols=40/textareabr /
input type=submit name=Submit value=Submit /
/form';
}
Reverting the one line to this:
echo 'br /br /form action=sendemail.php method=post
gets it working again. Now I don't know if it's an unbalanced quote
mark or what's going on. But I'd appreciate any advice you may have.
Best,
tim
If you check your apache log you'll probably see an error message. But the
problem seems to be that your string you are trying to echo is enclosed in
single quotes, and contains a string in ?php tags. Try something like
echo 'br /br /form action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] . '
method=post ...etc
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Re: [PHP] Re: PHP: a fractal of bad design
On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Bogdan Ribic wrote: Where's the Like button on this list? :) On 4/13/2012 01:44, Ross McKay wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:06:10 -0700, Daevid Vincent wrote: There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses. -- Bjarne Stroustrup a simple +1 will do -- Jim Lucas http://www.cmsws.com/ http://www.cmsws.com/examples/ http://www.bendsource.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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RE: [PHP] Re: php in windows
-Original Message- From: Kirk Bailey [mailto:kbai...@howlermonkey.net] Sent: April 11, 2012 10:11 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows Steve, THERE IS NO SUCH FILE in tinyweb. It turns to the operating system asspciations to determine what to use to process the cgi, then captures the returned stdio output and feeds THAT back as part of the data stream back down the stack. Therefore, it is not interfacing with the windows operating system properly, and as I do not speak delphi, I am not sure how to go through the sourcecode and rectify this. If you like, I cna provide a link to the installer that adds it to a windows computer so you can take a look- if you or anyone else is interested. Oddly enough, it appears to handle python fine, and is reported by others to also handle perl. Kirk, You have to tell your tinyweb what to do with the .php extensions... in the config of the webserver, you will have to add a line saying where the php binary is, or uncomment it (as it probably already exists) and restart the webserver. As it appears to me, since you can have some code on the screen, your server does not know how to deal with it, so it will treat it like a text file, and just spew the code out. Once you have it pointing to the php binary, it will work. Good luck! Steve Staples. Sorry, I have been out of the office for the last few days... have you gotten this to work? As a suggestion, is PHP in the windows path? If not, then this may be the issue... Python may have been installed, and put the exe in the PATH variable, where PHP may not have done it (not sure, I personally use XAMPP on my windows box for quick development) Check the PATH from the dos prompt, and if it is not in there, then you will have to add it (I am just guessing here) Just in case you're not sure where it is, on my XP machine, I just right click on My Computer, click Properties and then on the Advanced tab, there is a button labelled Environment Variables and then add the path to the PHP exe... Hope that this helps! Steven Staples -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: php in windows
-Original Message- From: Kirk Bailey [mailto:kbai...@howlermonkey.net] Sent: April 11, 2012 1:02 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows ok, there is a copy of index.php ion the cgibin, and this got WAY different results. It puked an error. CGI script /cgi-bin/index.php returned nothing NOW W.T.F., over? I think that it's time for some rack time. 'Night all. On 4/11/2012 12:50 AM, Kirk Bailey wrote: ok, I just installed 5.2.17 VC6X86. I have a simple test page, index.php; it spews the content code at me. On 4/10/2012 11:13 AM, Bogdan Ribic wrote: On 4/10/2012 04:05, Kirk Bailey wrote: The edition of php for windows I instaklled does not work. Which flavor of windows php DOES work properly in windows? Trust me, it does work :) I'm running PHP 5.3.10 thread-safe, as apache module on apache 2.4.1 from apache lounge (not official apache builds, as instructed on PHP's download site), all of that on Win XP. Read the instruction in php bundle on setting it up with apache 2.2 branch. Kirk, You have to tell your tinyweb what to do with the .php extensions... in the config of the webserver, you will have to add a line saying where the php binary is, or uncomment it (as it probably already exists) and restart the webserver. As it appears to me, since you can have some code on the screen, your server does not know how to deal with it, so it will treat it like a text file, and just spew the code out. Once you have it pointing to the php binary, it will work. Good luck! Steve Staples. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows
On 4/11/2012 9:42 AM, Steven Staples wrote: -Original Message- From: Kirk Bailey [mailto:kbai...@howlermonkey.net] Sent: April 11, 2012 1:02 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows ok, there is a copy of index.php ion the cgibin, and this got WAY different results. It puked an error. CGI script /cgi-bin/index.php returned nothing NOW W.T.F., over? I think that it's time for some rack time. 'Night all. On 4/11/2012 12:50 AM, Kirk Bailey wrote: ok, I just installed 5.2.17 VC6X86. I have a simple test page, index.php; it spews the content code at me. On 4/10/2012 11:13 AM, Bogdan Ribic wrote: On 4/10/2012 04:05, Kirk Bailey wrote: The edition of php for windows I instaklled does not work. Which flavor of windows php DOES work properly in windows? Trust me, it does work :) I'm running PHP 5.3.10 thread-safe, as apache module on apache 2.4.1 from apache lounge (not official apache builds, as instructed on PHP's download site), all of that on Win XP. Read the instruction in php bundle on setting it up with apache 2.2 branch. Kirk, [snip] You have to tell your tinyweb what to do with the .php extensions... in the config of the webserver, you will have to add a line saying where the php binary is, or uncomment it (as it probably already exists) and restart the webserver. As it appears to me, since you can have some code on the screen, your server does not know how to deal with it, so it will treat it like a text file, and just spew the code out. Once you have it pointing to the php binary, it will work. [/snip] Maybe this will help - http://itsecuritylab.eu/index.php/2010/09/24/tinyweb-pocket-size-portable-web-server-with-cgi-and-php-support/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows
Steve, THERE IS NO SUCH FILE in tinyweb. It turns to the operating system asspciations to determine what to use to process the cgi, then captures the returned stdio output and feeds THAT back as part of the data stream back down the stack. Therefore, it is not interfacing with the windows operating system properly, and as I do not speak delphi, I am not sure how to go through the sourcecode and rectify this. If you like, I cna provide a link to the installer that adds it to a windows computer so you can take a look- if you or anyone else is interested. Oddly enough, it appears to handle python fine, and is reported by others to also handle perl. Kirk, You have to tell your tinyweb what to do with the .php extensions... in the config of the webserver, you will have to add a line saying where the php binary is, or uncomment it (as it probably already exists) and restart the webserver. As it appears to me, since you can have some code on the screen, your server does not know how to deal with it, so it will treat it like a text file, and just spew the code out. Once you have it pointing to the php binary, it will work. Good luck! Steve Staples. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows
I don't want to sound rude but I did say this before, why don't you get zend server CE or xampp and install that? On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Kirk Bailey kbai...@howlermonkey.net wrote: Steve, THERE IS NO SUCH FILE in tinyweb. It turns to the operating system asspciations to determine what to use to process the cgi, then captures the returned stdio output and feeds THAT back as part of the data stream back down the stack. Therefore, it is not interfacing with the windows operating system properly, and as I do not speak delphi, I am not sure how to go through the sourcecode and rectify this. If you like, I cna provide a link to the installer that adds it to a windows computer so you can take a look- if you or anyone else is interested. Oddly enough, it appears to handle python fine, and is reported by others to also handle perl. Kirk, You have to tell your tinyweb what to do with the .php extensions... in the config of the webserver, you will have to add a line saying where the php binary is, or uncomment it (as it probably already exists) and restart the webserver. As it appears to me, since you can have some code on the screen, your server does not know how to deal with it, so it will treat it like a text file, and just spew the code out. Once you have it pointing to the php binary, it will work. Good luck! Steve Staples. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows
I am not running apache; I am running tinyweb, which is a cgi capable server. It does not need any special configuration to handle cgi, and worked out of the box with python. On 4/10/2012 11:13 AM, Bogdan Ribic wrote: On 4/10/2012 04:05, Kirk Bailey wrote: The edition of php for windows I instaklled does not work. Which flavor of windows php DOES work properly in windows? Trust me, it does work :) I'm running PHP 5.3.10 thread-safe, as apache module on apache 2.4.1 from apache lounge (not official apache builds, as instructed on PHP's download site), all of that on Win XP. Read the instruction in php bundle on setting it up with apache 2.2 branch. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows
ok, I just installed 5.2.17 VC6X86. I have a simple test page, index.php; it spews the content code at me. On 4/10/2012 11:13 AM, Bogdan Ribic wrote: On 4/10/2012 04:05, Kirk Bailey wrote: The edition of php for windows I instaklled does not work. Which flavor of windows php DOES work properly in windows? Trust me, it does work :) I'm running PHP 5.3.10 thread-safe, as apache module on apache 2.4.1 from apache lounge (not official apache builds, as instructed on PHP's download site), all of that on Win XP. Read the instruction in php bundle on setting it up with apache 2.2 branch. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php in windows
ok, there is a copy of index.php ion the cgibin, and this got WAY different results. It puked an error. CGI script /cgi-bin/index.php returned nothing NOW W.T.F., over? I think that it's time for some rack time. 'Night all. On 4/11/2012 12:50 AM, Kirk Bailey wrote: ok, I just installed 5.2.17 VC6X86. I have a simple test page, index.php; it spews the content code at me. On 4/10/2012 11:13 AM, Bogdan Ribic wrote: On 4/10/2012 04:05, Kirk Bailey wrote: The edition of php for windows I instaklled does not work. Which flavor of windows php DOES work properly in windows? Trust me, it does work :) I'm running PHP 5.3.10 thread-safe, as apache module on apache 2.4.1 from apache lounge (not official apache builds, as instructed on PHP's download site), all of that on Win XP. Read the instruction in php bundle on setting it up with apache 2.2 branch.
Re: [PHP] Re: php sendmail_from
using Drupal On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Jim Giner jim.gi...@albanyhandball.com wrote: And how are you generating the email? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- http://alexus.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: php sendmail_from
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 8:50 PM, alexus ale...@gmail.com wrote: using Drupal If you're using Drupal to send the mail, or any module installed in Drupal, than there are most likely settings in Drupal (module) that allow you to set the from address. If these functions call the mail command with a different From address, than that address will be used, and not the one in php.ini, .htaccess or set with ini_set. Matijn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: php-general Digest 9 Dec 2011 20:09:28 -0000 Issue 7604
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 16:06, David Savage dsav...@cytelcom.com wrote: I thought I posted this in the php.net web site under the ksort user notes, but I don't know if it would be approved to be placed in the web site. Would ksort($sortarr,SORT_STRING) on a 1 dimensional array with a key comprised of a person's name, -, and time stamp I..E. (key: david savage-2011-12-12 14:43:00) actually delete duplicate keys from the array, if there were two keys the same ? Did not see anything regarding this in the user notes of ksort page in php.net If it's a question posted there as a user note, I would delete it. I put up a big sign on the page for posting user notes months ago, complete with an XKCD strip, but somehow still, no one seems to notice it (or read it, at least). -- /Daniel P. Brown Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] RE: php-general Digest 9 Dec 2011 20:09:28 -0000 Issue 7604
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, David Savage dsav...@cytelcom.com wrote: Would ksort($sortarr,SORT_STRING) on a 1 dimensional array with a key comprised of a person's name, -, and time stamp I..E. (key: david savage-2011-12-12 14:43:00) actually delete duplicate keys from the array, if there were two keys the same ? Unless I'm missing something, you couldn't have two entries with the same key in the array to begin with. $a = array(); $a['david savage-2011-12-12 14:43:00'] = 1; $a['david savage-2011-12-12 14:43:00'] = 2; print_r($a); Array ( [david savage-2011-12-12 14:43:00] = 2 ) David
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
Investing your time on Zend Framework is worth it.I do mostly php development under Magento Platform, and Zend Framework becomes one of the vital skills I need.Apart from that, ZF is also a well thought Library that is a joy to work with.As one mentioned, the best part of it it gives the option to just use what you need and leave the rest stay put. I always think, only if those devs of Wordpress,Joomla etc have invested time in ZF we would have a much matured CMS systems today.I am not saying WordPress is not good, but its known to have lots of security issues due to poor framework behind it. Wasalaam, Muhsin On 07/22/2011 11:56 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 21 July 2011 23:56, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote: On 07/21/2011 03:59 PM, Chris Stinemetz wrote: Hello all, I am thinking about venturing into PHP frameworks, but I would like to get advice on what the correct selection would be for someone that is about intermediate in PHP knowledge. Thank you, So, with your post you will probably get one or more replies suggesting every one of the popular frameworks and then several that suggest some lesser known ones. I think Zend looks great, but for many people (including me) it is overly complex and cumbersome. Â It is a very professional and standardised class library, but has no glue to put it all together for you. Also, it takes OOP to the extreme (for PHP anyway). Â Everything has abstract classes, interfaces and the like. CI is good from a lightweight, gives you something to build on perspective. I however prefer CakePHP. Â Its been around for a while, it can automatically build an app from just a well designed database and doesn't require configuration files in XML, YAML or what have you. Â The documentation is OK and could be much better. It really depends on what you want out of the framework. Â I would suggest going through the CakePHP and CI tutorials and seeing which one seems like a good fit for you. I use a combination of Zend Framework (Soap and Config), PEAR (for Console_CommandLine) and my own code developed along the lines of Zend Framework. I think the What framework is best question can be partially answered by asking which framework allow you the greatest degree of flexibility. I don't have to use any part of Zend that I don't want. Same with PEAR. Having said that, none of these frameworks will write your app for you. Others may, based upon various rules or file structures. -- Extra details: OSS:Gentoo Linux profile:x86 Hardware:msi geforce 8600GT asus p5k-se location:/home/muhsin language(s):C/C++,PHP,SQL,HTML Typo:40WPM url:http://www.mzalendo.net url:http://www.zanbytes.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
On 21 July 2011 23:56, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote: On 07/21/2011 03:59 PM, Chris Stinemetz wrote: Hello all, I am thinking about venturing into PHP frameworks, but I would like to get advice on what the correct selection would be for someone that is about intermediate in PHP knowledge. Thank you, So, with your post you will probably get one or more replies suggesting every one of the popular frameworks and then several that suggest some lesser known ones. I think Zend looks great, but for many people (including me) it is overly complex and cumbersome. It is a very professional and standardised class library, but has no glue to put it all together for you. Also, it takes OOP to the extreme (for PHP anyway). Everything has abstract classes, interfaces and the like. CI is good from a lightweight, gives you something to build on perspective. I however prefer CakePHP. Its been around for a while, it can automatically build an app from just a well designed database and doesn't require configuration files in XML, YAML or what have you. The documentation is OK and could be much better. It really depends on what you want out of the framework. I would suggest going through the CakePHP and CI tutorials and seeing which one seems like a good fit for you. I use a combination of Zend Framework (Soap and Config), PEAR (for Console_CommandLine) and my own code developed along the lines of Zend Framework. I think the What framework is best question can be partially answered by asking which framework allow you the greatest degree of flexibility. I don't have to use any part of Zend that I don't want. Same with PEAR. Having said that, none of these frameworks will write your app for you. Others may, based upon various rules or file structures. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
+1 for CI. If you search the group archives, a little while back I asked about micro PHP frameworks and got a ton of good replies. So folks, how'z about a PHP framework with a built-in admin interface? That would be pretty sweet. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
On 7/21/2011 4:00 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: +1 for CI. If you search the group archives, a little while back I asked about micro PHP frameworks and got a ton of good replies. So folks, how'z about a PHP framework with a built-in admin interface? That would be pretty sweet. :) So, what would said admin interface allow you to administrate? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com wrote: So, what would said admin interface allow you to administrate? Your app models? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Micky Hulse rgmi...@gmail.com wrote: Your app models? More specifically, your app model data. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
On 07/21/2011 07:44 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Micky Hulse rgmi...@gmail.com wrote: Your app models? More specifically, your app model data. :) A la CakePHP. Will automagically build controllers and views for the admin of your tables/models if you wish. -- Thanks! -Shawn http://www.spidean.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: PHP frameworks
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote: A la CakePHP. Will automagically build controllers and views for the admin of your tables/models if you wish. Oooh, interesting! I will check out CakePHP! Thanks for tip! :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] PHP EOL
Hello Stuart, After some closer look at the RFC Compliant manuals you suggested, I have determined that the creator of that code was in fact RFC821 Compliant. Being that this was a code I found several years ago, RFC822 may not have been in effect. This being the reason (I believe) that the creator went with a check for System OS when determining the end of line characters to use. Not substantiated in any way, but that is what it looks like to me. I could stand corrected. Best, Karl On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: I see. Yes, I was referring to the PHP manual. I will investigate the RFC manuals as well like you had noted. No offense taken. Thank you for the clarification. Best, Karl On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote: @Stuart, Actually that is what made me look into the PHP_EOL Stuart. Wanting to do things right. Did you not read my initial email? I am not suggesting anyone adopt my code. The question was directed to what the differences are so I COULD learn the right way. Being that this was something I got off a tutorial from an accredited website, your saying that to the wrong person. I went and read the manuals and am here now posting the question so as to get the right direction. I have heard the argument and actually agreed. It would be better to use the PHP_EOL instead. I have been directed in the right direction. So I will be changing my code to reflect. I meant no offence, I was simply responding to your comment: Also, It has worked for years with no problem and I would still use it ...and took it to mean you would have no issue with using that code, so I thought it worth pointing out that the standards exist for a reason. In the name of clarification, the manual I was referring to is the sum total of the RFCs that define the various protocols used on the internet, not the PHP manual which I believe you think I meant. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] PHP EOL
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.comwrote: Hello Stuart, After some closer look at the RFC Compliant manuals you suggested, I have determined that the creator of that code was in fact RFC821 Compliant. Being that this was a code I found several years ago, RFC822 may not have been in effect. This being the reason (I believe) that the creator went with a check for System OS when determining the end of line characters to use. Not substantiated in any way, but that is what it looks like to me. I could stand corrected. RFC821: Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, dated August 1982 ( http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc821.html) RFC822: Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text Messages, dated August 13, 1982 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html) So, unless you started using that code before PHP was created (1995 if we go back as far as PHP/FI) then no, RFC822 predates that snippet of code. Further, RFC821 defines the end of lines as CRLF, so the creator of that code was not RFC821 compliant if it was being used to send commands to an SMTP server. From RFC821, MAIL FROM command definition: MAIL SP FROM:reverse-path CRLF From RFC822, general header field definition: field = field-name : [ field-body ] CRLF Note the CRLF at the end of both definitions. Now, technically speaking the body of email messages can use any line endings they want to, but the headers should use CRLF, and commands sent to servers should also use CRLF. One final thing for you to consider... what we've been talking about is commands and messages being sent to other computers, so what good does it do to send them in a format that's dependent on the OS of the sending machine? The standards exist so they are OS-independant, because you usually cannot tell what OS the computer you're talking to is running. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/
[PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] PHP EOL
@Stuart
Ah, then you are right that they were not compliant. The code is not
that old.
Thank you so much for the links and information too. Much more than I
expected.
I did not know that they were sent OS-Independent, but that makes
perfect sense.
Again, please excuse my lack of understanding.
My thought on why I would still use the code was that even though the
SMTP server
would not be OS specific, the email program or browser would be and
that it would format
for the user depending on that program/browser and the OS it runs on.
IE: Thunderbird on PC or Mac Mail; viewing yahoo on Safari Mac or IE
on PC.
Technically speaking, is it not possible to determine with a if {} to
see which catches?
This is probably not the best way to go about formating, just more
for my intuit.
With that code, I did not get any bounce backs or messages pertaining
to ill formatting or no send no show.
So it didn't seem to be a bad code. Thus I continued use.
But like what was said earlier in the thread, I agree PHP_EOL would
be the best fit.
Thank you for all your input, help and resources.
Best,
Karl
On Jul 4, 2011, at 2:01 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote:
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Karl DeSaulniers
k...@designdrumm.comwrote:
Hello Stuart,
After some closer look at the RFC Compliant manuals you suggested,
I have determined that the creator of that code was in fact RFC821
Compliant.
Being that this was a code I found several years ago, RFC822 may
not have
been in effect.
This being the reason (I believe) that the creator went with a
check for
System OS when determining the end of line characters to use.
Not substantiated in any way, but that is what it looks like to
me. I could
stand corrected.
RFC821: Simple Mail Transfer Protocol, dated August 1982 (
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc821.html)
RFC822: Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text Messages,
dated August
13, 1982 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html)
So, unless you started using that code before PHP was created (1995
if we go
back as far as PHP/FI) then no, RFC822 predates that snippet of code.
Further, RFC821 defines the end of lines as CRLF, so the creator of
that
code was not RFC821 compliant if it was being used to send commands
to an
SMTP server.
From RFC821, MAIL FROM command definition: MAIL SP FROM:reverse-
path
CRLF
From RFC822, general header field definition: field = field-name : [
field-body ] CRLF
Note the CRLF at the end of both definitions.
Now, technically speaking the body of email messages can use any line
endings they want to, but the headers should use CRLF, and commands
sent to
servers should also use CRLF.
One final thing for you to consider... what we've been talking
about is
commands and messages being sent to other computers, so what good
does it do
to send them in a format that's dependent on the OS of the sending
machine?
The standards exist so they are OS-independant, because you usually
cannot
tell what OS the computer you're talking to is running.
-Stuart
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Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
http://3ft9.com/
Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
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Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] PHP EOL
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.comwrote: @Stuart, Actually that is what made me look into the PHP_EOL Stuart. Wanting to do things right. Did you not read my initial email? I am not suggesting anyone adopt my code. The question was directed to what the differences are so I COULD learn the right way. Being that this was something I got off a tutorial from an accredited website, your saying that to the wrong person. I went and read the manuals and am here now posting the question so as to get the right direction. I have heard the argument and actually agreed. It would be better to use the PHP_EOL instead. I have been directed in the right direction. So I will be changing my code to reflect. I meant no offence, I was simply responding to your comment: Also, It has worked for years with no problem and I would still use it ...and took it to mean you would have no issue with using that code, so I thought it worth pointing out that the standards exist for a reason. In the name of clarification, the manual I was referring to is the sum total of the RFCs that define the various protocols used on the internet, not the PHP manual which I believe you think I meant. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] PHP EOL
I see. Yes, I was referring to the PHP manual. I will investigate the RFC manuals as well like you had noted. No offense taken. Thank you for the clarification. Best, Karl On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Karl DeSaulniers k...@designdrumm.com wrote: @Stuart, Actually that is what made me look into the PHP_EOL Stuart. Wanting to do things right. Did you not read my initial email? I am not suggesting anyone adopt my code. The question was directed to what the differences are so I COULD learn the right way. Being that this was something I got off a tutorial from an accredited website, your saying that to the wrong person. I went and read the manuals and am here now posting the question so as to get the right direction. I have heard the argument and actually agreed. It would be better to use the PHP_EOL instead. I have been directed in the right direction. So I will be changing my code to reflect. I meant no offence, I was simply responding to your comment: Also, It has worked for years with no problem and I would still use it ...and took it to mean you would have no issue with using that code, so I thought it worth pointing out that the standards exist for a reason. In the name of clarification, the manual I was referring to is the sum total of the RFCs that define the various protocols used on the internet, not the PHP manual which I believe you think I meant. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: radio form submission
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Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: radio form submission
On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Steve Staples wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 16:11 -0500, Tamara Temple wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 18:23, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 15:44, Vitalii Demianets vi...@nppfactor.kiev.ua wrote: And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed. Let's haul out the PHP war wagons! http://xkcd.com/327/ I so wanted to rename my daughter Little Chelsea Tables after I read that one. Randall is one mean mofo. And because it is so relevant, I added it to the docs... http://docs.php.net/manual/en/security.database.sql-injection.php Well played, sir, well played. I think we should go through all the xkcd comics that relate to programming somehow and insert them in the php.net documentation :) Tamara, kind of like this one? http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php I love that comic :) Yes, exactly like that one. Between Richard's gambit and that GOTO comic is what gave me the idea! :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: radio form submission
On 29 June 2011 08:37, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Steve Staples wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 16:11 -0500, Tamara Temple wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 18:23, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 15:44, Vitalii Demianets vi...@nppfactor.kiev.ua wrote: And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed. Let's haul out the PHP war wagons! http://xkcd.com/327/ I so wanted to rename my daughter Little Chelsea Tables after I read that one. Randall is one mean mofo. And because it is so relevant, I added it to the docs... http://docs.php.net/manual/en/security.database.sql-injection.php Well played, sir, well played. I think we should go through all the xkcd comics that relate to programming somehow and insert them in the php.net documentation :) Tamara, kind of like this one? http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php I love that comic :) Yes, exactly like that one. Between Richard's gambit and that GOTO comic is what gave me the idea! :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php http://xkcd.com/376/ for http://docs.php.net/manual/en/function.date.php#refsect1-function.date-changelog maybe. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On 27 Jun 2011 at 00:15, Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com wrote: In addition your content type in your post is incorrect. Your header contains Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b53cf2927204a6a46ebb But its not multipart. This happens a lot in this group and I dont experience it elsewhere so I dont know if its a php programmer thing, an gmane artifact or something the mailing list does. I couldn't see anything in RFC2046, section 5.1.4, to suggest that multipart/alternative *requires* that there be more than one part. And why does it matter, anyway? -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: radio form submission
On 25 June 2011 22:11, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 18:23, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 15:44, Vitalii Demianets vi...@nppfactor.kiev.ua wrote: And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed. Let's haul out the PHP war wagons! http://xkcd.com/327/ I so wanted to rename my daughter Little Chelsea Tables after I read that one. Randall is one mean mofo. And because it is so relevant, I added it to the docs... http://docs.php.net/manual/en/security.database.sql-injection.php Well played, sir, well played. I think we should go through all the xkcd comics that relate to programming somehow and insert them in the php.net documentation :) If you find them, ... -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: radio form submission
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 16:11 -0500, Tamara Temple wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 18:23, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 24, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: On 24 June 2011 15:44, Vitalii Demianets vi...@nppfactor.kiev.ua wrote: And furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed. Let's haul out the PHP war wagons! http://xkcd.com/327/ I so wanted to rename my daughter Little Chelsea Tables after I read that one. Randall is one mean mofo. And because it is so relevant, I added it to the docs... http://docs.php.net/manual/en/security.database.sql-injection.php Well played, sir, well played. I think we should go through all the xkcd comics that relate to programming somehow and insert them in the php.net documentation :) Tamara, kind of like this one? http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php I love that comic :) Steve. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Re: [PHP-DB] Re: radio form submission
On 27 Jun 2011 at 13:18, Steve Staples sstap...@mnsi.net wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 16:11 -0500, Tamara Temple wrote: Well played, sir, well played. I think we should go through all the xkcd comics that relate to programming somehow and insert them in the php.net documentation :) Tamara, kind of like this one? http://ca3.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.goto.php I haven't used a goto since I stopped writing FORTRAN in 1978. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote:
On 06/26/2011 12:31 PM, Adam Tong wrote:
Hi,
I wanted tu use php filters for validation to avoid regular expresions.
Is it possible that FILTER_VALIDATE_URL only checks if the string has
http:// and do not check for the format domain.something?
$url = 'http://wwwtestcom';
$url = filter_var($url,FILTER_VALIDATE_URL);
echo $url;
-
Or I am doing something wrong
Thank you
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you want (validate that a
string starts with http://) try:
if(strpos($url, 'http://') === 0) {
//starts with http://
} esle {
// does not start with http://
}
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
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Another possible solution could be:
$ary = explode('://', $url);
if (1 = count($ary)) {
echo 'No schema specified!';
} else {
// Schema specified.
// $ary[0] is the protocol
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
if (FALSE == in_array($ary[0], $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
// $ary[1] is the uri, validate with filter_var().
}
Hope this helps.
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On 06/27/2011 10:01 AM, Plamen Ivanov wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote:
On 06/26/2011 12:31 PM, Adam Tong wrote:
Hi,
I wanted tu use php filters for validation to avoid regular expresions.
Is it possible that FILTER_VALIDATE_URL only checks if the string has
http:// and do not check for the format domain.something?
$url = 'http://wwwtestcom';
$url = filter_var($url,FILTER_VALIDATE_URL);
echo $url;
-
Or I am doing something wrong
Thank you
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you want (validate that a
string starts with http://) try:
if(strpos($url, 'http://') === 0) {
//starts with http://
} esle {
// does not start with http://
}
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
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Another possible solution could be:
$ary = explode('://', $url);
if (1 = count($ary)) {
echo 'No schema specified!';
} else {
// Schema specified.
// $ary[0] is the protocol
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
if (FALSE == in_array($ary[0], $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
// $ary[1] is the uri, validate with filter_var().
}
Hope this helps.
May make more sense to use parse_url() than explode.
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-Shawn
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote:
On 06/27/2011 10:01 AM, Plamen Ivanov wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote:
On 06/26/2011 12:31 PM, Adam Tong wrote:
Hi,
I wanted tu use php filters for validation to avoid regular expresions.
Is it possible that FILTER_VALIDATE_URL only checks if the string has
http:// and do not check for the format domain.something?
$url = 'http://wwwtestcom';
$url = filter_var($url,FILTER_VALIDATE_URL);
echo $url;
-
Or I am doing something wrong
Thank you
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you want (validate that a
string starts with http://) try:
if(strpos($url, 'http://') === 0) {
//starts with http://
} esle {
// does not start with http://
}
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
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Another possible solution could be:
$ary = explode('://', $url);
if (1 = count($ary)) {
echo 'No schema specified!';
} else {
// Schema specified.
// $ary[0] is the protocol
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
if (FALSE == in_array($ary[0], $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
// $ary[1] is the uri, validate with filter_var().
}
Hope this helps.
May make more sense to use parse_url() than explode.
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-url.php
This function is not meant to validate the given URL...
I would use parse_url() after URL validation.
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On 6/27/2011 8:25 AM, Plamen Ivanov wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote:
On 06/27/2011 10:01 AM, Plamen Ivanov wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net
wrote:
On 06/26/2011 12:31 PM, Adam Tong wrote:
Hi,
I wanted tu use php filters for validation to avoid regular expresions.
Is it possible that FILTER_VALIDATE_URL only checks if the string has
http:// and do not check for the format domain.something?
$url = 'http://wwwtestcom';
$url = filter_var($url,FILTER_VALIDATE_URL);
echo $url;
-
Or I am doing something wrong
Thank you
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you want (validate that a
string starts with http://) try:
if(strpos($url, 'http://') === 0) {
//starts with http://
} esle {
// does not start with http://
}
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
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Another possible solution could be:
$ary = explode('://', $url);
if (1 = count($ary)) {
echo 'No schema specified!';
} else {
// Schema specified.
// $ary[0] is the protocol
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
if (FALSE == in_array($ary[0], $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
// $ary[1] is the uri, validate with filter_var().
}
Hope this helps.
May make more sense to use parse_url() than explode.
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-url.php
This function is not meant to validate the given URL...
I would use parse_url() after URL validation.
Shawn meant to use parse_url() in place of your explode statement. He didn't
say to use parse_url() as a method to validate the url.
He said it would make more sense to do the following.
Also, use strict type matching if you want to compare against boolean(FALSE)
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
$scheme = parse_url($url, PHP_URL_SCHEME);
if (FALSE === in_array($scheme, $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
Seems a little less muddy to me.
Jim Lucas
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com wrote:
On 6/27/2011 8:25 AM, Plamen Ivanov wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net
wrote:
On 06/27/2011 10:01 AM, Plamen Ivanov wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net
wrote:
On 06/26/2011 12:31 PM, Adam Tong wrote:
Hi,
I wanted tu use php filters for validation to avoid regular expresions.
Is it possible that FILTER_VALIDATE_URL only checks if the string has
http:// and do not check for the format domain.something?
$url = 'http://wwwtestcom';
$url = filter_var($url,FILTER_VALIDATE_URL);
echo $url;
-
Or I am doing something wrong
Thank you
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you want (validate that a
string starts with http://) try:
if(strpos($url, 'http://') === 0) {
//starts with http://
} esle {
// does not start with http://
}
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
--
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Another possible solution could be:
$ary = explode('://', $url);
if (1 = count($ary)) {
echo 'No schema specified!';
} else {
// Schema specified.
// $ary[0] is the protocol
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
if (FALSE == in_array($ary[0], $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
// $ary[1] is the uri, validate with filter_var().
}
Hope this helps.
May make more sense to use parse_url() than explode.
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
http://php.net/manual/en/function.parse-url.php
This function is not meant to validate the given URL...
I would use parse_url() after URL validation.
Shawn meant to use parse_url() in place of your explode statement. He didn't
say to use parse_url() as a method to validate the url.
He said it would make more sense to do the following.
Also, use strict type matching if you want to compare against boolean(FALSE)
$allowed = array('http', 'https');
$scheme = parse_url($url, PHP_URL_SCHEME);
if (FALSE === in_array($scheme, $allowed) {
// Protocol not valid!
exit(1); // or return FALSE; whatever...
}
Seems a little less muddy to me.
Jim Lucas
Makes sense now.
Thanks guys.
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
Guys, when you reply a mail, You should write your reply on the top of it,
not at the bottom of it.
makes it easier to follow.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.netwrote:
On 06/26/2011 12:31 PM, Adam Tong wrote:
Hi,
I wanted tu use php filters for validation to avoid regular expresions.
Is it possible that FILTER_VALIDATE_URL only checks if the string has
http:// and do not check for the format domain.something?
$url = 'http://wwwtestcom';
$url = filter_var($url,FILTER_VALIDATE_URL);
echo $url;
-
Or I am doing something wrong
Thank you
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you want (validate that a
string starts with http://) try:
if(strpos($url, 'http://') === 0) {
//starts with http://
} esle {
// does not start with http://
}
--
Thanks!
-Shawn
http://www.spidean.com
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Re: [PHP] Re: Php filter validate url
On Sunday, 26 June 2011 at 22:50, Fatih P. wrote: Guys, when you reply a mail, You should write your reply on the top of it, not at the bottom of it. makes it easier to follow. This is a holy war, and not worth getting into again. The bottom line is that top posting breaks the rules, regardless of people's personal opinion of the merits of any particular posting style. http://php.net/reST/php-src/trunk_README.MAILINGLIST_RULES - item 3 near the bottom of the page. -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
