Antoniop wrote:
> Hi Charles,
> My Sugarcube licence has expired 2 days ago and I wanted to renew it,
> but I don't see any "donate" or "pay" button on
> https://www.spicefly.com/
> I tried to send a message with the contact page on the site but it
> doesn't seem to work as I had no feedback
Hi Charles,
My Sugarcube licence has expired 2 days ago and I wanted to renew it,
but I don't see any "donate" or "pay" button on
https://www.spicefly.com/
I tried to send a message with the contact page on the site but it
doesn't seem to work as I had no feedback after clicking on "submit".
How
After experimenting for many weeks, this is how I tweak Sugarcube. Hope
it saves someone some effort.
-Trackstat plugin for play counts and dynamic ratings
-Custom Scan plugin for MusicIP export. This is not needed by sugarcube
but helps make static playlists, for whatever purpose, using MusicIP
cparker wrote:
> Auto-mix will use the settings you specify under the Player Settings
> menu, its not related to the playing track. Its a preconfigured fast
> play something and go method.
>
> 35391
>
> If you want to use the current playing track as a seed, enable "Dynamic
> Queuing" under
guptaas wrote:
> It was confusing enough to use 'Sugarcube Auto Mix' in track context
> starting an unrelated mix.
Auto-mix will use the settings you specify under the Player Settings
menu, its not related to the playing track. Its a preconfigured fast
play something and go method.
35391
If
After investing a lot of effort over many days, I have a large library
fingerprinted, a headless musicIP & LMS working on a Docker/Synolgy NAS
and love how musicIP comes up with an amazing sequence. Sugarcube
succeeds in taking it a step further but has been very- frustrating in
consistency-.
It's all good, everything seems to be working now, I feel better about
it.. One more issue I should mention.
Windows 10, installing MusicIP as a service... it works if you are
running LMS locally on the same machine.
However if LMS is on another machine you will need to go the windows
Just to add to what 33squeezebox_Fan mentioned, reading the patents a
while back MIP fingerprints by taking the source file and converting it
to a wav file before it does it's analysis. Therefore if you have
issues they are likely in that conversion step, maybe timeouts, beyond
the capabilities
Hi, thanks for your reply.
My collection has hundreds of 24-bit LP rips I have made over the last
several years. not to mention bluray dvd hdtracks etc.
To recode these to 16/44 would be a daunting task!
All of the files have been analyzed using MusicIP 1.9 on windows10, as
my understanding
Hello waltonb,
my experiance under Windows 10 and the latest MusicIP Version 1.96Beta6
is that MusicIP mixes diffrent Bit levels, but not very often.
So I had the same immpresion you have.
What I did to avoid it, I converted my 24 Bit or HighRes files to 16Bit
/ 44,1 kHz and let MusicIP
Hi Folks.
Lately I have been using spicefly sugarcube again after many years off
(v5.25). Everything works great except for one nagging issue.
It seems that once a mix is started with a FLAC file which is 24-bit,
the mix only selects 24-bit files going forward. So far I haven't seen
a
cparker wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Yes and No, the current version doesn't track the bleeding edge release.
> Although I run it locally and use it pretty much every day, I leave it
> a few months of no reported issues before moving the latest.xml forward.
>
> You can copy any link on the Version
bobertuk wrote:
> Hi Charles, I've been looking at Sugarcube history and noticed that
> there are two versions 5.24 & 5.25 from April 2021. Following the links
> only results in an xml display - i.e. no link. Is there a problem with
> the repository?
>
>
> Thank you
Hi Bob,
Yes and No, the
Hi Charles, I've been looking at Sugarcube history and noticed that
there are two versions 5.24 & 5.25 from April 2021. Following the links
only results in an xml display - i.e. no link. Is there a problem with
the repository?
Thank you
2 x Touch
2 x Radio
2 x Boom
1 x Intel-NUC
cparker wrote:
> Two reasons I can think of..
> 1) You have SugarCube selected as the provider in Don't Stop the Music
> plugin
>
indeed, that was it. I did not know this option. Thank you very much !
LMS 7.9.x
on Linux Mageia 6 and RPI 3
1 SB3, 2 radio, 1 touch, 1 transporter SE, 1
Two reasons I can think of..
1) You have SugarCube selected as the provider in Don't Stop the Music
plugin
2) The player is in a sync group but isn't the master player, so the
changes you are making won't apply. In this case there is a warning
displayed in the standard LMS web interface with
Everything is in the title: how do I stop Spicefly SugarCube adding
tracks to the playlist ? I disabled sugarcube in the player but it
continues adding tracks.
Thanks !
LMS 7.9.x
on Linux Mageia 6 and RPI 3
1 SB3, 2 radio, 1 touch, 1 transporter SE, 1 chromecast audio
Plugins : Trackstat,
Hi,
I recently added Spicefly sugarcube to the active plugins in order to
test it but it doesn't generate playlist.
I'm using LMS 8.0.0 - 1603273434
I've got MusicIp working well on this server.
When I click on AutoMix it puts one track in the playlist and plays this
track only.
When I go to
Just replying to this very old thread; I recently started using Spicefly
Sugarcube and am seeing a lot of the same alphabetically-focused
behaviors that others reported earlier in this thread, so was wondering
if this might've been tackled more in depth on the official forums,
which are
tamanaco wrote:
Has the URL for the SugarCube repository changed? I'm getting a 404
error. I'm currently using SugarCube 4.35 and it appears to be working
fine. I also just tried to access the Spicefly forums, but forums appear
to be new and but have no content. My user id does not give me
Has the URL for the SugarCube repository changed? I'm getting a 404
error. I'm currently using SugarCube 4.35 and it appears to be working
fine. I also just tried to access the Spicefly forums, but they appear
to be new and have no content. My user id does not give me access the
private area
The website of Spicefly SugarCube has changed.
Spicefly has now dropped Joomla completely and has been written entirely
from scratch.
My old username and password did also not work so I have made an new
registration.
tamanaco wrote:
Has the URL for the SugarCube repository changed? I'm getting a 404
error. I'm currently using SugarCube 4.35 and it appears to be working
fine. I also just tried to access the Spicefly forums, but forums appear
to be new and but have no content. My user id does not give me
Capricorn wrote:
It's a known issue. I've been using Sugarcube for years now, but this
annoying habit has never changed. I think I started with version
1.8, in the meanwhile it's 4.0., but nothing happened. The only
difference is, now it costs money
I think cparker must know
nervoteso wrote:
i would like SC would do that but it plays always the same song or
bandi don't know why...it happens with some bands, if they're not so
famousi've set not play if already played with no luck...
It's a known issue. I've been using Sugarcube for years now, but this
erland wrote:
I still think what you are seeing is how it is designed to work. The
reason it happen more often in your library might just be because your
library contains different albums than bakker_be's. If you only want to
listen to the same type of music you shouldn't use SugarCube, the
Ok, I'm happy to report that things have been going great and I have no
idea why. Anyway, this is a new problem that just cropped up yesterday.
I just added this album (Rising by Rainbow) and it's perfectly tagged
and analyzed just like every other file in my library but for some
reason, SC
Ok, can we now definitively say this is all Sugarcube's fault?
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Ok, can we now definitively say this is all Sugarcube's fault?
Don't know because I don't know exactly how the SugarCube selection
algorithm is supposed to work, but in the last sample when you created a
mix from a Blind Melon track there is an Aretha Franklin track in the
The problem isn't Aretha Franklin being selected in a mix where the seed
song is Blind Melon though. It's Aretha Franklin appearing in a mix
where Metallica is the seed. I think that's quite clear by now.
And I've contacted cparker, let's see how that goes...
Morbeas wrote:
The problem isn't Aretha Franklin being selected in a mix where the seed
song is Blind Melon though. It's Aretha Franklin appearing in a mix
where Metallica is the seed. I think that's quite clear by now.
If I remember correctly, SugarCube adds one track at the time and
I understand that but going from Metallica to Aretha Franklin in just a
few tracks?! Why is only my installation doing this and not bakker_be's
for example?
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erland wrote:
If I remember correctly, SugarCube adds one track at the time and use
the previous one to seed the next one.
So, if you get a SugarCube playlist as this (which you posted
recently):
- Ride the Lightning by Metallica
- Caught In a Mosh by Anthrax
- Stop by Death Angel
-
Morbeas wrote:
And about Metallica, they're the band that got me into metal in the
first place back when I was 13 so I can't help but have a soft spot for
them. Though I do (unfortunately) agree that Metallica after Cliff
Burton was never the same again. :(
Showing your age there, seem
That's great! I've seen Metallica many times over the years and I must
say their shows are still among the best. As a matter of fact, this is
where I'll be next weekend: http://www.orionmusicandmore.com/
Ride the Lightning in its entirety Saturday night! :)
PS. If you wouldn't mind, I'd
I don't know what to say anymore. :( It's now back to picking decent
songs, just like the other day when I was typing you guys a thank you
note:
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I don't know what to say anymore. :( It's now back to picking decent
songs, just like the other day when I was typing you guys a thank you
note:
I still think what you are seeing is how it is designed to work. The
reason it happen more often in your library might just be
bakker_be, I love you man. That's all! :)
Erland, thank you very much as well my friend. :)
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bakker_be, I love you man. That's all! :)
Erland, thank you very much as well my friend. :)
I'm guessing this means that the problem is solved :-)
What was the solution that solved it ?
erland's
Ok everything was going perfect! I'm going to lose it, I swear! I did
everything bakker_be said and it seemed to work! I've been using it all
day and it's been picking great songs. So I picked Ride The Lightning
just now so I can take a screenshot to thank you guys and this is what
it came up
I'll admit this could drive someone crazy :D
Let's go over this playlist:
Metallica - Anthrax = OK by me
Anthrax - Death Angel = still OK
Death Angel - Chris Poland - King Diamond = can't comment on hat one,
don't know Chris Poland
King Diamond - Badlands = still get it, it's softer than most of
I would completely agree except that this progression of (not
necessarily in this order) Anthrax, Alice In Chains, Blind Melon,
Aerosmith, Aretha Franklin, Badlands, Billy Joel always comes up in all
mixes within the first 5 songs. I mean I do agree and enjoy a slight
variation (which is why I
LOL, I think this thing just hates Metallica!
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I would completely agree except that this progression of (not
necessarily in this order) Anthrax, Alice In Chains, Blind Melon,
Aerosmith, Aretha Franklin, Badlands, Billy Joel always comes up in all
mixes within the first 5 songs. I mean I do agree and enjoy a slight
Ok actually that was a great idea. Here are mixes done directly on the
MIP GUI. You be the judge:
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Morbeas wrote:
Not a single Blind Melon or Aerosmith or Aretha Franklin or Billy Joel
track in 53 selections!
Could you try to do the same by clicking the M button beside the
Blind Melon track in SBS/LMS web interface and then click MusicIP
Mix to ensure Aretha Franklin isn't returned when
I'm really confused now because on the Sugarcube page FAQ, it states
that there's no need to turn on MusicIP in the LMS Plugins, so I have it
unchecked. So to answer your question, when I click the M icon in LMS
next to an artist/album/track, I do not see a MusicIP mix option.
Here's a
Is the Sugarcube FAQ wrong? Do I need to enable MusicIP from within the
LMS plugins page?
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Also, mixes created directly from within the MusicIP app seem perfectly
fine (the first song listed in each screenshot below are the seed songs
I've selected):
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There's not a doubt in my mind that Sugarcube prefers certain artists
for some unknown reason. Aretha Franklin, Aerosmith, Alice in Chains
and pretty much every other artist in this screenshot come up over and
over and over again.
Morbeas wrote:
What are you running it on, bakker_be? Windows or your NAS or ... ?
Windows Server 2008 R2, AMD Athlon X2 250, 8 GB RAM, 17 TB storage :)
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Morbeas wrote:
There's not a doubt in my mind that Sugarcube prefers certain artists
for some unknown reason. Aretha Franklin, Aerosmith, Alice in Chains
and pretty much every other artist in this screenshot come up over and
over and over again. (Ride the Lightning is the seed song I've
Can't see your screenshot, bakker_be.
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Morbeas wrote:
Can't see your screenshot, bakker_be.
I know, was editing it, just PNG somehow didn't work for me. it's on
imageshack now :)
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BTW: never mind the missing cover art :) I'm busy trying to find out why
that is happening ;)
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Ok so your mix seems ok but why? That is the million dollar question
for me. :(
Would you be kind enough to post all your settings please?
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Morbeas wrote:
I'm really confused now because on the Sugarcube page FAQ, it states
that there's no need to turn on MusicIP in the LMS Plugins, so I have it
unchecked. So to answer your question, when I click the M icon in LMS
next to an artist/album/track, I do not see a MusicIP mix
Morbeas wrote:
Ok so your mix seems ok but why? That is the million dollar question
for me. :(
Just one more desperate question from me.
What's the full path to the music files ?
I'm asking because I know some MusicIP versions have had issues with
path's containing non US ascii
erland wrote:
You don't need it for SugarCube to work, I was just mentioning it
because it's a way to detect if the issue is related to SugarCube or
MusicIP. If you get the correct mixes when creating a mix from the same
track in MusicIP (or through MusicIP Mix link), the issue is likely
erland wrote:
Just one more desperate question from me.
What's the full path to the music files ?
I'm asking because I know some MusicIP versions have had issues with
path's containing non US ascii characters, is there any accented
character or other uncommon character in the music file
Here you go ...
You'll see I've blocked Metal as a genre, but that's because that's
where I keep the more difficult stuff, Metallica is filed under Hard
Rock, as are Iron Maiden. Metal is for things like Mastodon,
Candlemass, Savatage, (old) Anathema, Eths, The things that I
listen to as
Thank you very much, bakker_be. I don't see anything that stands out.
:(
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Morbeas wrote:
Since the MusicIP app creates proper mixes (see screenshots above), then
it would be safe to assume the problem is with Sugarcube, right?
I think so.
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Well, seeing his complete lack of replies to my posts on this thread,
cparker is proving to be a take the money and run kind of developer.
I'm so incredibly pissed off about this whole ordeal and his attitude
towards this issue.
Morbeas wrote:
Thank you very much, bakker_be. I don't see anything that stands out.
:(
I've looked over your settings and they seem OK to me. Can you tell me
which version you're using? Did you archive the analysis? I've recently
had a corrupted MusicIP database and rescanned the whole
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OK, default settings there, nothing strange in your per player
settings.
Would it be asking too much to stop the MusicIP headless service LMS,
rename the default.m3lib (found in
C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\AppData\Roaming\MusicIP\MusicIP Mixer) to
something else and let the MusicIP Mixer rescan your
Before I do all that, what you said before got me thinking. I'm now
looking with MP3Tag at my files and am noticing that I'm missing quite a
few FLAC Fingerprint tags, though as I said before, I do have all the
FLAC Analysis tags. Could this be my problem?
Theoretically speaking it shouldn't have any consequences, as all data
is also saved into the MusicIP database (default.m3lib), which is where
the mixing system gets all data. I think your problem is caused by a
combination of factors: adding music to the MusicIP database through the
MusicIP
Does the MusicIP headless service use the same library as the MusicIP
application ?
If they use different libraries and it's only the one used by MusicIP
application that is updated, that could explain the issue.
I have a vague memory that I've seen someone that had some issue where
the GUI
Ok, I'm going to try your suggestions and will report back my results.
Thank you guys both very much for trying to help me figure this mess
out. Very much appreciated! :)
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erland wrote:
Does the MusicIP headless service use the same library as the MusicIP
application ?
If they use different libraries and it's only the one used by MusicIP
application that is updated, that could explain the issue.
I have a vague memory that I've seen someone that had some issue
Morbeas wrote:
How can I ensure this is the case erland? If you change anything in MusicIP
Mixer, it will save the library cache
on exit. On the MusicIP headless web page you will see that the cache
has changed, and there's a button to reload it. If you don't see that
the cache has changed
Ok, when I make a change in MIP GUI, I do indeed see the Reload Cache
button in Headless server so they're indeed using the same db.
As for Spyglass, I actually have it but never really used it. Can you
be so kind as to give me a rundown on the proper steps to use it
please?
Thanks very
It's pretty self-explanatory: you start it up and walk through it from
top to bottom. It will allow you to check the state of all components in
the chain, and indicate whether there are any problems. If there's a
problem you have the possibility to uninstall and reinstall the
problematic
bakker_be wrote:
CParker has a wonderful tool for correctly configuring the whole shebang
:) It's called Spyglass
Spyglass doesn't work for LMS it only works for SqueezeboxServer the
other parts of Spyglass do work normal.
HB64 wrote:
Spyglass doesn't work for LMS it only works for SqueezeboxServer the
other parts of Spyglass do work normal.
Good to know. I haven't needed it in ages (way before LMS in any case),
since I've got everything running quite stable. That's about to change
though: I'm planning to
Wirrunna wrote:
I suspect that your weighting functions combined with a relatively small
library is the cause. The SugarCube Live View will show the tracks
returned by MIP and the reason they were rejected, have a look at it.
Also try setting Artist Repeating for X tracks to 2 , and Album
Morbeas wrote:
I find it extremely hard to believe that out of the 3000+ mixable metal
tracks, it rejects them all and plays Beastie Boys, Aretha Franklin and
Billy Joel instead.
We will never know why until you show us the SugarCube Live View.
Ok, here are some Live View shots:
First (seed) song is Becoming by Pantera, which, if you're a metal fan
you'll know that it's a very heavy thrash metal song. So here's a play
by play of the few songs picked by SC right after it:
So within 3 songs, we went from Pantera to Audioslave, which is barely
hard rock. What am I supposed to be looking at in the Live View window
exactly? In the first screenshot, all the recommended songs by MIP seem
to be OK but for some reason Sugarcube goes in a totally different
direction. To
erland wrote:
Have you tried if the standard M icon in the web interface and the
MusicIP Mix link found behind it generate good mixes or if the problem
is also shown there ?
I'm just asking because if you see the same issue there, it might be
related to MusicIP application and not
Also, my Smartgain setting doesn't seem to effect the volume properly.
Some songs are still louder/quieter than others. And yes, all my songs
have both album gain and track gain values.
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Morbeas wrote:
Standard M icon? Can you please elaborate on that?
If you browse into My Music/Artists in the SBS/LMS web interface you
should see a M icon to the right of the artist name. Click on that and
on next page you should see a MusicIP Mix icon that creates a mix of
music similar to
Just to add some counterweight here: I've been using Sugarcube for a
very long time now (I don't remember even with which version I started)
and it's been working perfectly ever since. In my current installation
it's queued up 18609 tracks, of which only 3.245% were randomly chosen.
Needless to
What are you running it on, bakker_be? Windows or your NAS or ... ?
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Like bakker_be I have been using Sugarcube for a while and it works well
- Win XP, 7.7.2 - r33893
Morbeas, if your mixes are always ending up with Aretha, try these
settings, start with Server Settings/Spicefly SugarCube/ and set the
MusicIP Request No. of Tracks to 10.
Then
Morbeas wrote:
As for the troubleshooting link:
1 - I went to http://localhost:10002/api/mix? to check the MusicIP
installation and it checked out. It spat out the 55 songs I have
specified in the settings.
2 - I checked Sugarcube history and it shows 0 songs like the above
poster.
Have MIP headless server scanned the library too ( not only the MIP gui
) ? you are supposed to point to the path where the music is (same path
as LMS uses ) and use the refresh button .
You do that here http://server-ip:10002/server
If MIP Gui and MIP server runs on the same machine it is then
Here are some screenshots. Notice how it went from Anthrax to Beastie
Boys in 2 songs. I'm also posting my settings for this particular
player:
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Morbeas wrote:
Here are some screenshots. Notice how it went from Anthrax to Beastie
Boys in 2 songs. I'm also posting my settings for this particular
player:
I suspect that your weighting functions combined with a relatively small
library is the cause. The SugarCube Live View will show
Morbeas wrote:
Errr, what? My installation is on a Win 7 x64 PC. I've never even
owned a QNAP NAS. Are you confusing me with someone else?
Probably, so many aliases ! :s
Think the QNAP issue is bottomed out. Under heavy stress the CPU does
not have enough spare to run the SQLite db
No sir, I'm not going to re-write everything I've posted here just so
you don't have to go back a page and see what I've been complaining
about. I have done everything you have asked me to and it just does not
work. I'm the guy with the Aretha Franklin issue. I am a lifetime
subscriber and you
Hope you feel better for it...
Morbeas' issue has been taken offline, the installation is based on a
QNAP NAS so should be an interesting challenge to fix...
Thanks for reading have a good weekend :)
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