Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 9/18/06, Nicholas Geti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual you are changing the point. What has the past history of the catholic church got to do with the Popes comments. ROFLif i do remember clearly he was himself referring to past Islam history ? In the end it was a thinly disguised

Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Why don't you just convert already and start growing your beard? --- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/18/06, Nicholas Geti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual you are changing the point. What has the past history of the catholic church got to do with the Popes comments.

RE: Mail Archive

2006-09-18 Thread Andy Davies
Not a bad way of browsing the list off site! or for a quick reminder of how puerile the OT domain is. Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and

RE: Mail Archive

2006-09-18 Thread Andy Davies
Wow neat Allen does that include those reply by email buttons at the bottom of the posts? (I know I occasionally forget to trim my full sig - and OUCH!) Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This email and any

RE: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Dominic Burford
If Muslims are really serious about being seen as a faith of peace and tolerance, it would greatly help their cause to take their lumps like everyone else. At the merest sniff of criticism, bang on cue, they burn effigies, burn buildings and have even resorted to murder (a nun was killed in one

Re: Sqlserver: Trigger for update ???

2006-09-18 Thread Andy Davies
You could probably use: if update(fldname)... Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom

RE: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
What's going to make the rest of the world wake up, the Pope being assassinated? Or would the intellectuals in this group say he got what he deserved? --- Dominic Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Muslims are really serious about being seen as a faith of peace and tolerance, it would

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread Andy Davies
er - isn't this talking about web languages? Fox doesn't *really* qualify (learning a new language is an essential part of being a good and successful Web developer) Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP   - AndyD    8-)# ** This email

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread Dominic Burford
Many of those listed are not languages, but are technologies. Regards Dominic Burford BSc Hons MBCS CITP Third Party Developer Program Senior Software Engineer * Tel: +44 (0) 1536 495074 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is

RE: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Crozier
Dominic, I agree wholeheartedly. I have a very good friend who is Asian and Muslim, who came over the the UK 30 years ago and started a small business of which he is very proud. We have excellent discussions about Religion and Politics and he certainly doesn't take offence about other people

RE: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Film producers who stand up get their throats slashed, authors who portray Islam in a bad light get a death contract placed on their lives, the pope who merely quotes someone from the 14Th century gets death threats. We will wake up, just like we woke up to Nazi Germany, too late. --- Dave

Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Jean Laeremans
On 9/18/06, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, In general i do agree. My reply was more along the lines of he who casts the 1st stone...IMO the leader of the catholic church should refrain from taking cheap potshots at another religion, that's all... A+ jml

Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Oh yeah, a cheap potshot. He stated the obvious. --- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/18/06, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, In general i do agree. My reply was more along the lines of he who casts the 1st stone...IMO the leader of the catholic church should

Re: [OT] Pope sets the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Robert Calco
On Sep 18, 2006, at 4:31 AM, Dominic Burford wrote: If Muslims are really serious about being seen as a faith of peace and tolerance, it would greatly help their cause to take their lumps like everyone else. They prove the words of the Pope and the 14th century emperor he quoted 100%

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread Alan Bourke
Web development is the *only* development, dintja know? Especially amongst the (insert trendy webcentric scripting language of the month) crowd. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread Andy Davies
also Re: [NF] Office 2007 Alan Bourke said: Web development is the *only* development, dintja know? Especially amongst the (insert trendy webcentric scripting language of the month) crowd. but scripting languages are *so* not now!. Now we use a content management tool like Drupal ... (

FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
I wanted to just say that I had a great time at FoxForward this year. It was great meeting all of you and seeing familiar faces again. Kevin did a great job and I look forward to next year's event! Kevin -- if you had a mailing list set up for FF attendees, please pass this on to them!

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Bernard
I wholly concur, Michael. Good sessions, great networking and I learned a lot. Actually, it was the best conference food I've experienced in quite some time (I go to six or seven national conferences each year). Our company was a sponsor, and we'd be glad to do that again. Dave Dave Bernard,

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
Thank you for the kind words. My board of directors helped me out immensely, both in advice and with hard labor. Without my family's support, everything would have been a mess, no doubt. Without the speakers there would have been no 'value' in the conference. Michael, I'd like to thank

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Crozier
Kevin, Will the course material/notes be available for Purchase in any way once it has been produced or will that only be for attendees? Unfortunately, I wasn't able to come over as I was in Prague, but I'd be more than happy to pay for the content to swell the FoxForward funds for next year and

RE: [OT] McGreasey tells all, if you can believe it

2006-09-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
The only reason a person can be successfully manipulated surreptitiously is if that person has something to hide. If certain people were a bit more tolerant of circumstances beyond anyone's control, being homosexual would not be something to hide; there would be no closet. A criminal is someone

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread Hal Kaplan
= -Original Message- = From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*) = Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 14:04 = To: profox@leafe.com = Subject: Re: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know =  = Nick Cipollina wrote: =  That's a real shocker! :)

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: Without the speakers there would have been no 'value' in the conference. Michael, I'd like to thank you, and all of the other speakers that took time out of their busy lives to prepare their presentation, travel to Alpharetta, and to give so

data[base] design

2006-09-18 Thread Andy Davies
Hi, I wonder how people would handle this design: family --- property/ address [1/many to 1] family head of family [1 to 1] family 2nd contact [1 to 0/1] family ---other members [1 to 0/many] family ---other stuff [1 to 0/many] Note: property --- family [1 to 0/many] i.e

Re: data[base] design

2006-09-18 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Consultant answer: Depends OK, now that we have that out of the way, what do you mean by family? These days, family has lots of permutations: dad's family, mom's family, other mom's family... I prefer this: family - fam_link - persons fam_link includes properties such as: role

RE: data[base] design

2006-09-18 Thread Tristan Leask
Maybe the design is wrong... g In the sort of world we live in these days, a person maybe the head of many families, ala dirty old man/village bike g Sorry, I couldn't resist Tristan -Original Message- family head of family [1 to 1]

Re: [NF] Slow XP Shutdown

2006-09-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote: My Toshiba Laptop shuts down slowly -- 5 - 15 minutes. If I first remove the PCMCIA LINKSYS WPC54-G WIRELESS PC CARD, shutdown is prompt. What do you suggest? Is there a NET command to do the samething? I could first run it from a Batch file before

OT: Document Scanning and Management

2006-09-18 Thread Desmond Lloyd
Was reviewing a thread from 2003 regarding scanning documents from inside VFP. Charlie Coleman had made mention of Pegasus Tools, have contacted this vendor, but would be interested as to what specific Pegasus tools were used. Want to meet two objectives: 1.) Scan a document from inside a

Re: data[base] design

2006-09-18 Thread William Sanders
Heya Andy. I would have at least a people table - with a few extra columns - family head specifier - 0 if head of family, 1 if not family id - contains 0 if a head of family - contains the primary key of the family head record . If you don't want to add columns in a table, then you could make

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Bernard
The lack of a watering hole (without having to drive or walk) was a slight inconvenience to me, even though I'm local. We managed to get sizable groups to go to places nearby pretty easily, although the groups might have been a bit larger if no driving was required. Craig, Bo and I even went out

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Allen
This is similar to the Prague experience. But our little group met up at various food places in the evening and had a good time. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Bernard Sent: 18 September 2006 20:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Tracy Pearson
-Original Message- From: Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Allen wrote: I think one of the biggest draws to a conference is to meet like minded people. The actual content is second to that. Just my

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread MB Software Solutions
Tracy Pearson wrote: For those presenters that need to change the font sizes quickly: *-- The following sets the font to Lucida Console 10pt Local laEnv[25] Set Library To (Sys(2004) + FoxTools.fll) Additive _EdGetEnv(_WOnTop(),@laEnv) laEnv[22] = Lucida

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
I forgot to give a plug to the restaurants across the street. Definitely within walking distance but most of them are far too small for a group of 20+. A couple had bars but are also small. A couple had outdoor seating, but again small places. Kim and I were talking that if we do this again

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Tracy Pearson
-Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks Tracy Pearson wrote: For those presenters that need to change the font sizes quickly: *-- The following sets the font to Lucida Console 10pt

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
Point taken. Several people mentioned the same thing. When I originally signed the contract, the hotel had that poor excuse of a bar in working order. When I returned for the walk through, they were doing construction. I asked them Will the bar be finished and restocked by the time of our

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
I'm not sure we could afford to fly them down here from Canada. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Yeah, me too. The conference was fun and informative. I'd like to make a recommendation for next year though. We need

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread john harvey
I think Ed is talking about how many of the conference hotels had a central bar that was an informal meeting place. People would go out to eat with different groups, but before and after, they would just sit down and introduce themselves or listen to a conversation and jump right in. It was always

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread john harvey
Well, don't y'all have ladies in Hotlanta? VBG John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:15 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks I'm not sure we could afford to fly them

VFP7: Terminal server errors out

2006-09-18 Thread David Crooks
Does anyone have any experience with running an app through Terminal Server? I am getting an error Error Reading File. Any ideas? TIA! David L. Crooks ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
Yes, but not where you capitalize the first letter of the words. We have bare naked ladies in the city, but we don't often get Bare Naked Ladies. ;) Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net john harvey wrote: Well, don't y'all have ladies in

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
Yes, you are right. I did miss Ed's main point. Sorry about that. Even though the hotel bar was under deconstruction, I should have asked someone to bring in drinks. We could have gathered in the common area downstairs where we had the Meet and Greet. By contract, I couldn't have brought

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread john harvey
Potayto - potahto John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Cully Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:28 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks Yes, but not where you capitalize the first letter of the words. We have

Re: VFP7: Terminal server errors out

2006-09-18 Thread Richard Kaye
Sounds like a permissions or file contention problem. Are temp files stored in a unique location for each TS session? David Crooks wrote: Does anyone have any experience with running an app through Terminal Server? I am getting an error Error Reading File. Any ideas? TIA! David L. Crooks

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Rick Schummer
Hi Dave, I believe you are in the minority. In fact I believe most people on this forum are already in the minority just by participating in the online community. It has been estimated that only 10-15% of Fox developers hang out online. Even fewer are attending conferences. My assertion is

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Bernard
Perhaps we're headed for virtual conferences that are something like a large set of webinars or screencasts that have some kind of interactivity to it. If that happens, I'll just have to create some networking events that feed my need for person-to-person interaction ;) -Original Message-

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 18, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: Even though the hotel bar was under deconstruction, I should have asked someone to bring in drinks. We could have gathered in the common area downstairs where we had the Meet and Greet. By contract, I couldn't have brought in drinks or

Re: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread Ted Roche
On 9/16/06, Man-wai CHANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2016415,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K594 Just for laughs, here's another list of top IT jobs, supposedly also from Dice. Different languages. http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/img/38FEjobs_sc1.jpg

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Dave Bernard
Another view here: http://www.ipbartenders.com/php/gallery.php?id=4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FoxForward -- thanks On Sep 18, 2006, at 4:30 PM,

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread David Crooks
On Monday, September 18, 2006 5:26 PM Ted Roche wrote: snipped After leaving college, I claimed about a dozen languages I had learned during college. While that might get you a lead from a headhunter looking to match skills to job listings, that's really not what most of us sell. It's solving

RE: [nf] 10 programming languages to learn know

2006-09-18 Thread john harvey
Well, let me be the first to point out that I have not been shrinking, I have been growing over the past few years. Unfortunately, out, not up. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Crooks Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:39 PM

Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Monday 18 September 2006 04:03, Jean Laeremans wrote: Hi Jean! Were I the leader of the catholic church as you put it, I would travel to Iraq and bless the coalition troops. During the service I would expand upon my initial remarks, rather than back away from them. A Papal Blessing would

Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Pete Theisen
On Monday 18 September 2006 04:31, Dominic Burford wrote: Hi Dominic! Well reasoned. However, the Muslims are not the reasoning kind. And most undemocratic. Regards, Pete If Muslims are really serious about being seen as a faith of peace and tolerance, it would greatly help their cause to

Re: [OT] The smear campaign continues

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Don't forget McGovern, he's still being kept alive by some Liberal mad scientist --- Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 17 September 2006 15:01, Robert Calco wrote: Hi Bob! Yes, they will sooner or later get the government they say they want - Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton,

Re: [OT] Pope stest the world straight.

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Isn't it rich that they called Pope Pius a Nazi sympathizer and now they say Pope Benedict is throwing fuel on the fire? --- Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 18 September 2006 04:03, Jean Laeremans wrote: Hi Jean! Were I the leader of the catholic church as you put it,

Re: [OT] McGreasey tells all, if you can believe it

2006-09-18 Thread Garrett Fitzgerald
How many more Democrat candidates are homosexual? Shouldn't the public have a right to know? Answer: NO I want to know a candidante's position on issues, not his/her sexual positions. You want to know why he's making decisions favoring homosexuals.

Re: [OT] We have not forgotten, Mr. President

2006-09-18 Thread Garrett Fitzgerald
What a pig Oafermann. I hope the Muslims chop his head off first. Typical liberal rant: put the bastards in jail. Typical neocon rant: kill the bastards painfully. And you wonder why you're going to lose for the next two years? ___ Post Messages

Re: [OT] The 9/11 Memorial in My Hometown

2006-09-18 Thread Garrett Fitzgerald
The 9/11 memorial in my city is a pair of trees in a park at Bothell Landing. The instant I saw them, I knew what they were, even before I read the plaque. :( I rented the DVD of Godspell sometime in the past 5 years: while I had sung bits of it in church choir, I had never sat through the whole

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Kevin Cully
John Koziol really wanted to bring one but the attendance numbers of the conference hindered the financial feasibility. g Kevin Cully CULLY Technologies, LLC Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006! http://foxforward.net Garrett Fitzgerald wrote: What? No PortaBar?

RE: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Stephen the Cook
Kevin Cully wrote: John Koziol really wanted to bring one but the attendance numbers of the conference hindered the financial feasibility. g I went to the UT game and watched a tough fight and loss. :( Otherwise I could have had a few Dr. Peppers for my friends. Stephen Russell DBA /

Re: [OT] We have not forgotten, Mr. President

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Madigan
We're going to win, silly. --- Garrett Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a pig Oafermann. I hope the Muslims chop his head off first. Typical liberal rant: put the bastards in jail. Typical neocon rant: kill the bastards painfully. And you wonder why you're going to lose for

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Bill Anderson
MB Software Solutions wrote: I wanted to just say that I had a great time at FoxForward this year. It was great meeting all of you and seeing familiar faces again. Kevin did a great job and I look forward to next year's event! Kevin -- if you had a mailing list set up for FF attendees,

Re: FoxForward -- thanks

2006-09-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 18, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: I went to the UT game and watched a tough fight and loss. : ( Otherwise I could have had a few Dr. Peppers for my friends. Good thing you weren't there, then. The restaurant we went to that night was filled with Florida fans who got

Re: [OT] The 9/11 Memorial in My Hometown

2006-09-18 Thread Ed Leafe
On Sep 18, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Garrett Fitzgerald wrote: I rented the DVD of Godspell sometime in the past 5 years: while I had sung bits of it in church choir, I had never sat through the whole thing. It was amazingly painful to see the cast on the top of the still-under-construction WTC. As

[NF] blat to the rescue

2006-09-18 Thread Bill Arnold
Thanks to all the folks who posted stuff about Blat. With this abundance of reference material, I was able to sort it out in only 4 hours g. I had been putting off converting from using Outlook for sending mail to Blat, but recently discovered the last straw with Outlook: code that was working

RE: [NF] blat to the rescue

2006-09-18 Thread Bill Arnold
Thanks, John. Always nice to have yet another example (approach). If there are some limits or problems with Blat, I'm sure this will come in handy. Bill Here's another option. I had tried using CDO for email but couldn't get the code I had found to work. It turns out there was more to