Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function. Fixed!
Fabian, your email popped up on my desktop just as I was coming to write a reply to all who helped. I am back in operation, all symptoms have disappeared. I can print, generate a BOM and annotate. Seems the problem was related to one or more corrupt *.bpl or *.dpl files. Protel Tech support emailed me this morning with what turned out to be the solution. A new procedure for a "clean" re-install. I have copied it below, note the line stating to delete all *.bpl & *.dpl files, this is new. July 5 2002 Protel 99SE Complete Uninstall.(New version emailed from Lori Quevedo) Version # Protel 99SE/ Service Pack 6: PROBLEM: Is there a specific uninstall procedure for Protel? I have uninstalled and reinstalled using add and/remove programs but Protel is still acting up. SOLUTION: 1) Un-install Service Pack 6 for 99SE 2) Un-install 99SE 3) Delete the Design Explorer 99 SE directory (make sure you have no personal files or libraries stored here before you do this). 4) Delete the files *99SE.* from your Windows or Winnt folder 5) Also delete from the Windows or Winnt folder *.bpl and *.dpl, if they are still remaining. 6) Re-install Protel 99 SE a) If Win 9x then Reboot 7) Re-apply Service Pack 6 a) If Win 9x Then Reboot Good Luck and pass this along so others are not bitten by the same issue(s). I also raised the issue with Tech Support about their phones, etc., having no indication that they were open or closed yesterday. To complicate issues, they were also holding a company picnic Wed. afternoon with no indication that they were "closed". So 1.5 days without Tech Support or any indication that they were or were not there, pretty shabby. Wake up Protel Management! Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Fabian Hartery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:12 AM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function. Brad, One of the ladeos here told me of a story of 'holy' RAM. The RAM passed an intensive boot test, but still the machine was weak in the knees. We both know Protel is a CPU hog; this pushes bandwidth requirements to the limit. Other apps do not necessarily do this. Another hardware riddle I have hear of is with respect to bad sector creep in HD's. Once it starts, it propagates. The final solution is to use Partition Magic to quarantine the disk. As a side issue, my early experiences with a corrupt NT installation saw overlays and associated registry washing a task taken to pruning a fruitless tree. Nailing the disk to a factory state and starting over may be a regretful, but final, solution. My machine is rock solid. It's a P on the floor, W2K, 512 set up. If you need another designer check on DDB corruption issue, I would be happy to help out. My off-line address is below. All the best. Fabe Fabian Hartery Research Engineer, B. Eng (Electrical) Guigne International Limited 63 Thorburn Road St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada A1B3M2 tel: 709-738-4070 fax: 709-738-4093 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.guigne.com This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. Any dissemination, distribution or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. We cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. * Tracking #: E75D8CA32EB0804CA35286D86EC2B1F563B85A16 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Brad, One of the ladeos here told me of a story of 'holy' RAM. The RAM passed an intensive boot test, but still the machine was weak in the knees. We both know Protel is a CPU hog; this pushes bandwidth requirements to the limit. Other apps do not necessarily do this. Another hardware riddle I have hear of is with respect to bad sector creep in HD's. Once it starts, it propagates. The final solution is to use Partition Magic to quarantine the disk. As a side issue, my early experiences with a corrupt NT installation saw overlays and associated registry washing a task taken to pruning a fruitless tree. Nailing the disk to a factory state and starting over may be a regretful, but final, solution. My machine is rock solid. It's a P on the floor, W2K, 512 set up. If you need another designer check on DDB corruption issue, I would be happy to help out. My off-line address is below. All the best. Fabe Fabian Hartery Research Engineer, B. Eng (Electrical) Guigne International Limited 63 Thorburn Road St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada A1B3M2 tel: 709-738-4070 fax: 709-738-4093 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.guigne.com This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. Any dissemination, distribution or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. We cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. * Tracking #: E75D8CA32EB0804CA35286D86EC2B1F563B85A16 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Brad, I may be shooting in the dark, but I have seen Protel problems that were network loading related. It is possible that a time out could occur and the software would complaint about a non-exist resource. It may not report it this way, all the same. I always run my computer lean on background resources. This I profess has created my infamous system stability. Jumping the gun and not waiting for Protel to die down before jumping to read mail has given me 'hang-aches'. Alas, a wounded registry/driver is another mother of a f ^ 's. I found the demoing of some trials to be an entertaining curse. Our printer runs directly off our server. I suppose if I was so riddled, I would install 99SE on that and see if was a link problem. We have been using HP8000 stuff here as gear and this works flawlessly... at least to me. Just my two cents Take care. Fabe Fabian Hartery Research Engineer, B. Eng (Electrical) Guigne International Limited 63 Thorburn Road St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada A1B3M2 tel: 709-738-4070 fax: 709-738-4093 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.guigne.com This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. Any dissemination, distribution or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. We cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. * Tracking #: 5A20D3BCA55CBE4DBE26B8F5080B20957989DDD8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
don't laugh - but can you successfully print to a physical printer? BTW, on a vaguely related topic, on one machine we never did solve the 'compact on close' problem either, tried everything finally turned off 'compact on close' and it is ok now (except for not being able to compact on that machine) i have the feeling that this too is some windows component conflict, but i can't track it down for the record the 'compact on close' problem is: the protel session disappears (quits, vanishes) _sometimes_ (often) at the beginning of the compact process if any other DDBs other that the current one were open with unsaved work, that work is lost a file is left behind *.CMP which i assume is a temp file for the compaction process Dennis Saputelli Brad Velander wrote: > > Jan, > was sure that I had tried with only Protel running yesterday but > tried again right now anyway. Same result. Normally I have Outlook running > for email, sometimes a bunch of other apps as well, never saw this problem > before yesterday. I am beginning to think that there is some relationship to > a W2K function that is missing or a bad version for Protel's use. But how do > you find it? > Thanks for the suggestion though. > > Sincerely, > Brad Velander. > > Lead PCB Designer > Norsat International Inc. > Microwave Products > Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) > Fax (604) 292-9010 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.norsat.com > > -Original Message- > From: TheLight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 9:43 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function. > > Hi Brad, > > you may have tried this already (and excuse me for mentioning the obvious > if you did), but make sure no other applications are running. I have had > these errors every now and then when running a certain mail/organiser > program with my previous employer. The funny thing is that this program ran > all the time (except when I shut it down because of the error) and I only > sometimes experienced these errors. > > Good luck, > Jan Martin Wagenaar > > > * Tracking #: 1DBFB65E4DD98F4693D64ADEF631242661388D37 > * > -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Hi Brad, I can't help with your issue, but I wanted to share a problem with this group that might surprise you. As most of you know, I have been having a hell of a time with the 3D stuff in Protel. Not the lack of model editing, that's still a problem, but rather with the actual 3D performance. Last night, I stuck another harddrive in my computer and put WinXPPro on it. I then installed Nvidia's Twinview driver stufff, OfficeXP and Protel99SE. Guess what? The 3D stuff works perfectly now! It's fast, clear, and all the stuff I was complaining about is gone regarding performance. Even John's Qualecad 3D viewer completely works. This really surprised me because it's the same damn hardware...just a new, clean OS install took away the problems. I don't suggest anyone totally redoing their OS or system, but more importantly we shouldn't automatically point the finger at Protel when Protel software doesn't work. In the example I just cited, it had nothing to do with them. Something else in my system was f*ckin' up Protel's (and Qualecad's) ability to do its thing... > -Original Message- > From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 9:37 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum List Server (E-mail) > Subject: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function. > > > Good day all, > > > ATS Support rant: > well so much for our much talked about, much improved ATS support. > Called yesterday at 3:45pm, still have not heard anything today. I assume > they are shut-down for the holiday but there is absolutely no > indication of > such calling through any Protel NA telephone number, sounds like > business as > usual, shunted to a message system. Where is this improved ATS, they can't > even publish the direct ATS support number on their web page > after more than > 8 months. I think that we are surely getting our proof that the ATS is the > same old shit except they want us to pay $1500USD annually for it. > > My present Problem: > I have a very repetitive problem plaguing me in schematic right now. > This has persisted across several "clean" re-installs (yes, I deleted all > the protel file remnants before each re-install). Every time I click on > "Annotate" I get a pop-up error window titled "Access violation at address > 40028A2B in module 'Vcl50.bpl'. Read of a...". Within the window > it states, > "Exception Information: Exception Occurred In SCH:Annotate" with the > two button choices of "Ignore" or "Quit". > > As I said, I have re-installed 3 - 4 times and this still persists. > Any ideas? > > On the very first occurance I checked the harddrive for the > VCL50.bpl file, it was not on the drive. This initiated the re-installs. > Each re-install since has found the file in my C:\WINNT\System directory > after that first re-install. Running W2K, P99SE SP6. > > Sincerely, > Brad Velander. > > Lead PCB Designer > Norsat International Inc. > Microwave Products > Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) > Fax (604) 292-9010 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.norsat.com > > > > * Tracking #: 5C0C55BBE9FF4B44A22E357BEFA68BE08161A68A > * > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Hi Brad - Sometimes a .dll file fails to properly register when installed. The result is that the applications that need it can't find it. You can manually register the file using REGSVR32. Take a look at the Microsoft information at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q249873 The above link tells you how to do the manual registration procedure. Give it a try and see if it fixes your problem. Regards - Harry At 09:37 AM 7/4/02 -0700, you wrote: >Good day all, > > >ATS Support rant: > well so much for our much talked about, much improved ATS support. >Called yesterday at 3:45pm, still have not heard anything today. I assume >they are shut-down for the holiday but there is absolutely no indication of >such calling through any Protel NA telephone number, sounds like business as >usual, shunted to a message system. Where is this improved ATS, they can't >even publish the direct ATS support number on their web page after more than >8 months. I think that we are surely getting our proof that the ATS is the >same old shit except they want us to pay $1500USD annually for it. > >My present Problem: > I have a very repetitive problem plaguing me in schematic right now. >This has persisted across several "clean" re-installs (yes, I deleted all >the protel file remnants before each re-install). Every time I click on >"Annotate" I get a pop-up error window titled "Access violation at address >40028A2B in module 'Vcl50.bpl'. Read of a...". Within the window it states, >"Exception Information: Exception Occurred In SCH:Annotate" with the >two button choices of "Ignore" or "Quit". > > As I said, I have re-installed 3 - 4 times and this still persists. >Any ideas? > > On the very first occurance I checked the harddrive for the >VCL50.bpl file, it was not on the drive. This initiated the re-installs. >Each re-install since has found the file in my C:\WINNT\System directory >after that first re-install. Running W2K, P99SE SP6. > >Sincerely, >Brad Velander. snip * Tracking #: E25C55386154CF4692412AB301450729BE7BF6D8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Jan, was sure that I had tried with only Protel running yesterday but tried again right now anyway. Same result. Normally I have Outlook running for email, sometimes a bunch of other apps as well, never saw this problem before yesterday. I am beginning to think that there is some relationship to a W2K function that is missing or a bad version for Protel's use. But how do you find it? Thanks for the suggestion though. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: TheLight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 9:43 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function. Hi Brad, you may have tried this already (and excuse me for mentioning the obvious if you did), but make sure no other applications are running. I have had these errors every now and then when running a certain mail/organiser program with my previous employer. The funny thing is that this program ran all the time (except when I shut it down because of the error) and I only sometimes experienced these errors. Good luck, Jan Martin Wagenaar * Tracking #: 1DBFB65E4DD98F4693D64ADEF631242661388D37 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Hi Brad, you may have tried this already (and excuse me for mentioning the obvious if you did), but make sure no other applications are running. I have had these errors every now and then when running a certain mail/organiser program with my previous employer. The funny thing is that this program ran all the time (except when I shut it down because of the error) and I only sometimes experienced these errors. Good luck, Jan Martin Wagenaar At 09:37 (4-7-02), you wrote: >Good day all, > > >ATS Support rant: > well so much for our much talked about, much improved ATS support. >Called yesterday at 3:45pm, still have not heard anything today. I assume >they are shut-down for the holiday but there is absolutely no indication of >such calling through any Protel NA telephone number, sounds like business as >usual, shunted to a message system. Where is this improved ATS, they can't >even publish the direct ATS support number on their web page after more than >8 months. I think that we are surely getting our proof that the ATS is the >same old shit except they want us to pay $1500USD annually for it. > >My present Problem: > I have a very repetitive problem plaguing me in schematic right now. >This has persisted across several "clean" re-installs (yes, I deleted all >the protel file remnants before each re-install). Every time I click on >"Annotate" I get a pop-up error window titled "Access violation at address >40028A2B in module 'Vcl50.bpl'. Read of a...". Within the window it states, >"Exception Information: Exception Occurred In SCH:Annotate" with the >two button choices of "Ignore" or "Quit". > > As I said, I have re-installed 3 - 4 times and this still persists. >Any ideas? > > On the very first occurance I checked the harddrive for the >VCL50.bpl file, it was not on the drive. This initiated the re-installs. >Each re-install since has found the file in my C:\WINNT\System directory >after that first re-install. Running W2K, P99SE SP6. > >Sincerely, >Brad Velander. > >Lead PCB Designer >Norsat International Inc. >Microwave Products >Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) >Fax (604) 292-9010 >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.norsat.com > > > >* Tracking #: 5C0C55BBE9FF4B44A22E357BEFA68BE08161A68A >* > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Problems with schematic annotate function.
Good day all, ATS Support rant: well so much for our much talked about, much improved ATS support. Called yesterday at 3:45pm, still have not heard anything today. I assume they are shut-down for the holiday but there is absolutely no indication of such calling through any Protel NA telephone number, sounds like business as usual, shunted to a message system. Where is this improved ATS, they can't even publish the direct ATS support number on their web page after more than 8 months. I think that we are surely getting our proof that the ATS is the same old shit except they want us to pay $1500USD annually for it. My present Problem: I have a very repetitive problem plaguing me in schematic right now. This has persisted across several "clean" re-installs (yes, I deleted all the protel file remnants before each re-install). Every time I click on "Annotate" I get a pop-up error window titled "Access violation at address 40028A2B in module 'Vcl50.bpl'. Read of a...". Within the window it states, "Exception Information: Exception Occurred In SCH:Annotate" with the two button choices of "Ignore" or "Quit". As I said, I have re-installed 3 - 4 times and this still persists. Any ideas? On the very first occurance I checked the harddrive for the VCL50.bpl file, it was not on the drive. This initiated the re-installs. Each re-install since has found the file in my C:\WINNT\System directory after that first re-install. Running W2K, P99SE SP6. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com * Tracking #: 5C0C55BBE9FF4B44A22E357BEFA68BE08161A68A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
