Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
> - Original Message - > From: "Harry Selfridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > > Nothing received in Anaheim, California, yet either. > > > > Someone here speculated when the offer was made that it was > little more > > than a way for Protel to rebuild their poorly kept records of legal > > owners. It looks suspiciously like the speculation may > have been correct. > > > > I had to fax a copy of my receipt from years ago to prove > that I was a > > legal owner before I could "register" for the Tasking > tools. This was the > > fourth time I had to send proof of purchase back to Protel > to execute a > > deal with them. I had to fax my receipts to get them to > send version 3.0, > > again when I upgraded to 98, and to get the upgrade from 99 to 99se. > > > > They must keep their files in a jar buried in the back corner of the > > corporate lot (and the corporate guard dog keeps digging it > up and eating > > the contents). > > > > In any event - no Tasking tools here after following directions and > > "registering" in November of last year. More like trying to estimate how many ACTIVE users are willing to pay for ATS (buy taking up the 'offer'). No of licences sold does not neccessarily mean that they are all active. Only active users will interest them, as that amount will then set what they see as a 'market price' for maintainance (overheads vs qty) and they are not doing it for our benifet thats for sure. It would have been nice to get the bugs out of 99SE (and 99 & 98 &...) but if they ever left us with a bug free version before introducing a new one, how many users would just stick to that platform and not upgrade?. Asking por proof of 'purchase or ownership' is quite fair for a vendor to ask for, but if the offer was genuine why not just post it to all valid users?? BR John * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
I am afraid we have to be patient for a few more weaks. I got a phone call from Tasking/Germany this morning. The salesman told me about some delay because of a necessary modification (removal ?) of the software protection (Flex) of the tasking tools for this special offer. The shipment should start at the end of february. He apologized for the delay and offered me a demo version to play with until the real thing arrives. Rolf Molitor Ing.Buero i2e Remscheid/Germany -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: "Mark Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2002 19:39 Betreff: [PEDA] Tasking Offer Hello All, Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just curious. Regards, Mark Richards * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
> -Original Message- > From: Christopher Brand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 2:59 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > I was wondering about this last week, so I fired off an email > to Altium. > This is the reply I received last thursday: > > "Good morning. We still do not have a guaranteed date of > shipment for the > 8051/XA toolset. The estimated time is from 2 to 3 weeks > from this point. > I apologize that I can not give you a more definite date, but > it's in the > hands of my development team at this point. You may want to > check back with me next week to see if I have a better update." > > So it looks like they are working on getting it out to us. > It's just a > matter of time. :) > It seems that way; but WTF did they not make this clear when we applied?? We all received the confirmation email apparently, but nowhere in the confirmation email did it say "please allow 14 weeks for delivery" or whatever. I can appreciate that it isn't finished yet (ie, the tasking compiler), but surely they can offer us something in lieu of it until it is ready? I've told a whole heap of engineers about this offer, and if they've taken it up, it's hurt *my* credibility if they haven't yet received it. Cheers, Matthew van de Werken Electronics Engineer CSIRO Exploration & Mining - Gravity Group 1 Technology Court - Pullenvale - Qld - 4069 ph: (07) 3327 4685 fax: (07) 3327 4455 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Christopher Brand > > > Mark Richards wrote: > > >Hello All, > >Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the > tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to > receive the package. I did, however, receive confirmation > shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. > Just curious. > > > >Regards, > > > >Mark Richards > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
On 07:32 PM 4/02/2002 +1000, Don Ingram said: >On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious, >we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply & accept the >trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most >certainly do not. > >YMMV Don I am somewhat sympathetic with your reasons. Many of us took a different view and thought lets *test* ATS. Seems to be a fraction wanting at this stage. I think the offer was somewhat disingenuous in that they did not say that the product was not ready at the time of the offer and that there may be some months delay. Speaking of ATS - there are a few issues floating around at the moment that should be really good flag waving exercises for the new improved lemon-fresh support system. Altium, what is happening with reported rotated pads not plotting issue? Under ATS I would expect a report of a serious issue like that would trigger a few emails to those involved requesting details and files and then a continuous reporting process on progress and a final summary to the group giving the URL of the new KB item dealing with the report. Or doesn't it work that way? Remind me again what we are getting with ATS, please? Regards, Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Ditto here Steve Smith Product Engineer Staco Energy Products Co. Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com > -Original Message- > From: Don Ingram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:32 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in > me was curious, > we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply & accept the > trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most > certainly do not. > > YMMV > > Cheers > > Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
On principle we never applied for it. While the Engineer in me was curious, we don't use 8051's ( not for 10 years or more). To apply & accept the trinket was to grant tacit approval to the ATS system, which we most certainly do not. YMMV Cheers Don > > Mark Richards wrote: > > >Hello All, > >Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just curious. > > > >Regards, > > > >Mark Richards > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
I was wondering about this last week, so I fired off an email to Altium. This is the reply I received last thursday: "Good morning. We still do not have a guaranteed date of shipment for the 8051/XA toolset. The estimated time is from 2 to 3 weeks from this point. I apologize that I can not give you a more definite date, but it's in the hands of my development team at this point. You may want to check back with me next week to see if I have a better update." So it looks like they are working on getting it out to us. It's just a matter of time. :) Christopher Brand Mark Richards wrote: >Hello All, >Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live in >Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive >confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just >curious. > >Regards, > >Mark Richards > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Maybe it would be interesting to see who HAS received it? Should also require less bandwidth! Steve. > -Original Message- > From: Mark Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2002 18:39 > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > Hello All, > Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the > tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive > the package. I did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I > signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just curious. > > Regards, > > Mark Richards * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Another "Nothing recieved" here in Ontario, Canada. As others have mentioned it is a product that wouldn't get much use. Does make you wonder about the marketing motives behind this offer, considering the time frame for results! Marshall -Original Message- From: Mark Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 3, 2002 1:39 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer Hello All, Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just curious. Regards, Mark Richards * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Mark Richards wrote: > > Hello All, > Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I live >in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I did, however, receive >confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just >curious. > > Regards, > > Mark Richards I haven't received it either... -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
At 11:19 AM 2/4/2002 +1100, Ian Wilson wrote: >Not here either and they could practically "frisbee" it to me from Altium >head office. So THAT explains the official Altium frisbee I got at PCB Design Conference East. They must have run out of them [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
I live in the UK, received confirmation, but nothing else. Not too pleased with Protel or the UK dealer at the moment. Steve. > -Original Message- > From: Mark Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2002 18:39 > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > Hello All, > Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the > tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive > the package. I did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I > signed up for the offer a couple months ago. Just curious. > > Regards, > > Mark Richards * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Hello All, Mark Richards wrote: Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking tools? I didn't receive it either. Last week I informed the 'Altium Sales & Support Center ' in the Netherlands. They told me that they were working on it. They were promising me that I would receive it before the end of the week. That was last week... I think I will receive it in the near future. I can't imagine they will promise us the software wthout sending it. Maybe the postman was ill last week :-) Aalt Lokhorst (e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]) address: Schut Geometrische Meettechniek bv Duinkerkenstraat 21 9723 BN Groningen, The Netherlands tel. +31 50-5877877 fax. +31 50-5877899 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
On 09:07 AM 4/02/2002 +1000, Damon Kelly said: >I haven't received mine yet. (Brisbane, Australia). >Order processed on 4 Dec 2001. > >"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is..." Not here either and they could practically "frisbee" it to me from Altium head office. Still it was only the 8051 version and I would suggest that few people would be *starting out* on 8051 development these days. So those doing 8051 development will all have tools already (won't we?) The bare bone device (8051) is certainly cheap but anytime you put a few fancy peripherals on it the $ goes up beyond what you can do with some of the Japanese micros (that are also better (power and MIPS/MHz-wise). Certainly a venerable device and we still use a lot in designs but this is largely due to the wealth of in house routines we have and general familiarity. So we would be using it (the Tasking offer) as a quick-look-see as to whether the tool set is OK. (Now if they had given away the Mitsubishi M16C tool set that would be more interesting...) Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
I haven't received mine yet. (Brisbane, Australia). Order processed on 4 Dec 2001. "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is..." Damon Kelly R&D Engineer Blastronics Systems and Services Infratech Systems & Services ...business units of: Texcel Pty Ltd PO Box 3699 South Brisbane, QLD 4101 AUSTRALIA 24 Bank St West End, QLD 4101 AUSTRALIA Ph +61 7 3237 8109 Fax +61 7 3237 8188 > -Original Message- > From: Mark Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 04:39 > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > Hello All, > Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the > tasking tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to > receive the package. I did, however, receive confirmation > shortly after I signed up for the offer a couple months ago. > Just curious. > > Regards, > > Mark Richards > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Nothing received here too. Ok. it was a no cost offer so i should be patient , but it was offered to show us the benefits of the new, fantastic , better then ever.. ATS program. So i think everybody knows now what to expect from ATS . (See first word in this Mail) But on 19.-21 February we (in Germany) have the Chance to meet Altium (Tasking) on the Embedded Systems 2002 surrounded by potential Customers :-) Udo Ramfeld * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Harry, your comments mirror my own suspicions. Right down to the guard dog theory... However, I have to admit that there is little comfort gained in knowing that I'm not the only one thinking along these lines. ; ) Mark Richards - Original Message - From: "Harry Selfridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > Nothing received in Anaheim, California, yet either. > > Someone here speculated when the offer was made that it was little more > than a way for Protel to rebuild their poorly kept records of legal > owners. It looks suspiciously like the speculation may have been correct. > > I had to fax a copy of my receipt from years ago to prove that I was a > legal owner before I could "register" for the Tasking tools. This was the > fourth time I had to send proof of purchase back to Protel to execute a > deal with them. I had to fax my receipts to get them to send version 3.0, > again when I upgraded to 98, and to get the upgrade from 99 to 99se. > > They must keep their files in a jar buried in the back corner of the > corporate lot (and the corporate guard dog keeps digging it up and eating > the contents). > > In any event - no Tasking tools here after following directions and > "registering" in November of last year. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Nothing received in Anaheim, California, yet either. Someone here speculated when the offer was made that it was little more than a way for Protel to rebuild their poorly kept records of legal owners. It looks suspiciously like the speculation may have been correct. I had to fax a copy of my receipt from years ago to prove that I was a legal owner before I could "register" for the Tasking tools. This was the fourth time I had to send proof of purchase back to Protel to execute a deal with them. I had to fax my receipts to get them to send version 3.0, again when I upgraded to 98, and to get the upgrade from 99 to 99se. They must keep their files in a jar buried in the back corner of the corporate lot (and the corporate guard dog keeps digging it up and eating the contents). In any event - no Tasking tools here after following directions and "registering" in November of last year. At 11:39 AM 2/3/02 -0700, you wrote: >Hello All, >Just a quick poll: How many of you have not yet received the tasking >tools? I live in Arizona, USA, and I have yet to receive the package. I >did, however, receive confirmation shortly after I signed up for the offer >a couple months ago. Just curious. snip * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Tasking Offer
Re: [PEDA] Tasking offer
I was able to log in and sign up with no trouble. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:45:27 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar wrote: >I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in. >My protel representative promised to solve the problem, >but I didn't hear anything since. >Is it just me ? > >Rene * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking offer
I successfully logged in. I needed the serial number, a 9 digit number that I had never needed before. It was on the shipping announcement that was faxed to me when I upgraded to 99se. It took me a while to find that piece of paper! Richard At 09:45 AM 12/13/2001 Thursday +0100, you wrote: >I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in. >My protel representative promised to solve the problem, >but I didn't hear anything since. >Is it just me ? > >Rene >-- >Ing. Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com Cheesecote Mountain CAMAC 24 Halley Drive; Pomona, NY 10970 845 364 0211, www.cmcamac.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking offer
I logged in successfully the first day it was announced on the net. Maybe that they cancelled the service after that because I ordered three licences ;-)! Emanuel Rene Tschaggelar wrote: > > I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in. > My protel representative promised to solve the problem, > but I didn't hear anything since. > Is it just me ? > > Rene > -- > Ing. Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com -- MPL AG www.mpl.ch Emanuel Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager R&D Phone: +41 (0)56 483 34 34 Taefernstrasse 20 Fax: +41 (0)56 493 30 20 CH-5405 Daettwil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Tasking offer
I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in. My protel representative promised to solve the problem, but I didn't hear anything since. Is it just me ? Rene -- Ing. Buero R.Tschaggelar - http://www.ibrtses.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
You and me both. The Keil tools could start another deep thread on quality and support... :( Tony > -Original Message- > From: Terry Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:26 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > > > Guess I will just have to carry on using the Keil 51 toolset. > > > Cheers, Terry. >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:42:16 +1200, Steve wrote: >I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but >those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the >special offer on the Protel website. >It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up >and get a free copy of Tasking 51 and XA C compilers. So I go to the Altium site and the ATS members login fails. The only serial number I found was stuck inside my P99 manuals, DId that manual come with 99SE? Don't know, I remember 99SE did not have an updated manual. Am I supposed to dig around in accounts for a copy of a 2 year old invoice? So I go to the UK reseller Premier's (horrid) web site and find nothing there, so I call them and I'm told I should register on their site for email notification of site updates (spam) as an existing user and that would somehow get me the free Tasking toolset offer - doesn't sound very likely. Guess I will just have to carry on using the Keil 51 toolset. Cheers, Terry. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
At 02:03 PM 12/2/01 +1100, Darren Moore wrote: >But I have filled in the form as requested in the email, >and the email returned indicated that the CD will be sent >in the mail as so as they are available from manufacturing. Okay, so they are sending CDs, but they are only sending them to those who request them, whereas CAMtastic was sent to every licensee, as I recall >I would pay about AUD$1000.00 per year to stay current but >any more than that and I would just continue to use what I >have. I have owned the current version of Protels package >since 1988. Started using it with an employer in 1986. There is a lot of sentiment like this. While Altium must chart its own course, it should definitely pay attention to the warnings floating about! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
little snip:) > Sure, most of us don't need the compilers, which is one > reason, I think, that they did not send out CDs. *That* > would have cost them real money without adding so much > value for the user base as a whole. > Thus the download. I will probably not use the tasking product as the micro's I use (most motorola) are not supported currently by it. But I have filled in the form as requested in the email, and the email returned indicated that the CD will be sent in the mail as so as they are available from manufacturing. I also don't use the SIM, PLD, 3D parts of the current package and although I have had P99 and P99SE almost since they were released I have only just started to use it in place of P98. I would pay about AUD$1000.00 per year to stay current but any more than that and I would just continue to use what I have. I have owned the current version of Protels package since 1988. Started using it with an employer in 1986. Darren Moore * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
>Given that there is a simpler and less paranoid explanation of the compiler >offer, this is a bit of a jaundiced view. That's the great thing about being a customer for so long. The paranoia comes easy ;-) Cheers Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
has one product in this market, Circuitmaker. Tsien's Boardmaker has a lease model that means, effectively, there is no software price at all, only maintenance, and it is very cheap. If Altium is going to raise the ATS price as high as $2000, I'd suggest that they *reduce* the entry cost. It's like razors and razor blades, or CD players and CDs. However, if Protel makes ATS too expensive, it will add force to the possibility that Protel users will start to desert the product. The most valuable asset Protel has is the user base. Once a user is accustomed to a program, he is loath to change, the real cost of retraining can greatly overshadow the cost of a new package. So a software company is wise to use whatever devices it can to get people using the product. Once they are using it, and if it is a good product, they will tend to continue using it *even if it is not the best.* If this were not true, OrCAD and PADS would have been dead long ago. >Too bad if you are a specialist PCB designer or just an Engineering firm who >moved on past the 8051in the late 80's to one of the far better RISC >products such as H8, MSP430 or AVR etc. This would be true if Altium raises the ATS price based on including something you don't need. But Altium is abandoning Protel traditions right and left. This is a dangerous business, since a tradition that was responsible for success -- we don't always know which ones fall into this category -- might get lost somewhere along the way. However, the "one suit fits all" model does not really make a lot of sense, once many highly specialized tools start to be included. It makes sense to sell a package with schematic, pcbdesign, autorouter, and CAM tool. Simulation starts to move away, only a certain segment of users need it or use it. I've played with the simulator a little, but I've never actually *used* it. Likewise the PLD tool. A 3D viewer makes sense as part of the basic suite, a real one, not the present proof-of-concept toy. So Protel might possibly move to packages designed for various kinds of users. A Schematic package, perhaps with simulation and PLD. This is for an engineer who gives the PCB design to someone else. A PCB design package, which includes Schematic, PCB, Autorouter, 3D viewer, and CAM. A complete package which is for a small engineering company that does everything. If every user is carrying the cost of all the components of the full suite, it's pretty obvious that the utility/cost ratio will suffer. The synergy might be such, however, that the users who need a part of the package are the only ones who are *actually* paying for it; the others are getting it *free.* I don't mind having the simulator! To explain this in a way that I hope might be more clear, some users might use a compiler and they might not use the PCB design tool. Another user is in the reverse situation. That things would precisely balance is highly unlikely, but it might work *more or less* to provide every user with every tool. So we will not necessarily be paying more if the Tasking compilers are tossed in. Rather, if enough new users join the club because of those compilers to more than cover the cost of buying or developing and maintaining the compilers, Altium's profit will increase. That the compiler was provided "free" to thousands of users who don't need it is pretty irrelevant, because there is very little additional cost for these useless appendages, it's only the manual, really. And if the tool has no chapter in the printed manual, just PDF on the CD, the incremental cost goes to about zero. I use only a small fraction of the tools available within Microsoft Office; indeed, I use only a small fraction of the tools available just in Word. But I'm glad those tools are there; as long as I didn't pay too much extra to have them; they are there when I need them. And that is how suites work >- Original Message - >From: Ralf G tlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer >Where's the catch in it? I don't think there is any catch. It's the same as CAMtastic, which was given to us at much greater cost, since Protel actually distributed CDs. Added value. I think we have really done well over the last few years. Someone who bought Autotrax, then upgraded to Protel 98, then upgraded to 99SE spent less than $4000. If they upgraded, say, to version 2 and 3 in the mean time, they paid more, but they also had more utility in the mean time. Sure, most of us don't need the compilers, which is one reason, I think, that they did not send out CDs. *That* would have cost them real money without adding so much value for the user base as a whole. Thus the download. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
>Kind of a 'baubles for the natives' deal. Well put! ^^^ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Simple, If enough people sign up on the Tasking Compiler then Prottle feel justified in charging us all for ATS. Kind of a 'baubles for the natives' deal. Too bad if you are a specialist PCB designer or just an Engineering firm who moved on past the 8051in the late 80's to one of the far better RISC products such as H8, MSP430 or AVR etc. Cheers Don - Original Message - From: Ralf G tlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer Where's the catch in it? I just went through the online registration process and didn't find anything fishy (such as an adhesion contract). I'm curious what will happen... . ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - Original Message - From: "Steve Baldwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but > those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the > special offer on the Protel website. > It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up > and get a free copy of Tasking 51 and XA C compilers. > > Steve. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking Offer
Where's the catch in it? I just went through the online registration process and didn't find anything fishy (such as an adhesion contract). I'm curious what will happen... . ô ô ) -oOOo--(_)---oOOo-- Ralf Guetlein Biotest Medizintechnik GmbH Industriestrasse 19 D-63755 Alzenau Germany --- Tel. +49 6023 9487-42 Fax. +49 6023 9487-35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - Original Message - From: "Steve Baldwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: [PEDA] Tasking Offer > I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but > those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the > special offer on the Protel website. > It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up > and get a free copy of Tasking 51 and XA C compilers. > > Steve. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Tasking Offer
I haven't seen it mentioned here (I may have skipped over it) but those of you who are multi-talented may be interested in the special offer on the Protel website. It applies to ATS holders _and_ current P99SE owners. Sign up and get a free copy of Tasking 51 and XA C compilers. Steve. == Steve BaldwinElectronic Product Design TLA Microsystems Ltd Microcontroller Specialists PO Box 15-680, New Lynn http://www.tla.co.nz Auckland, New Zealandph +64 9 820-2221 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax +64 9 820-1929 == * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
